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Thread started 09/27/16 11:14am

cindyt

annie christian

Did Prince hate christians back in the 1980's? When he wrote the song annie christian, it sounds to me like he's blaming all the evil in the world at that time on chrsitians. Also, the cover of one of those albums has that picture that says annie christian sentenced to die. I always felt like he was slapping at Christians by some of his lyrics and combinations of sacred and profane. How deeply did he hate Christians in the 80's and 90's maybe longer...and how much did he wish harm on them? Did any members of his bands feel the same? It's a very legitimate question considering the lyrics of annie christian.

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Reply #1 posted 09/27/16 11:31am

bwaaatch

No, the song is against 'anti-Christians' and the 'anti-christ'. He wants to crucify the anti-Christ. Can't quite figure out if there is irony in that...
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Reply #2 posted 09/27/16 12:31pm

tmo1965

I agree with bwaaatch. Annie Christian is a play on Anti-Christ. The lyrics of the song is talking about bad things that were happening at the time and Prince was saying that the anti-Christ was the reason. For example,

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Annie Christian wanted to be number 1
But her kingdom never comes, thy will be done
She couldn't stand the glory, she would be 2nd to none
The way Annie tells the story, she's his only son
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Annie Christian was a whore always looking for some fun
Being good was such a bore, so she bought a gun
She killed John Lennon, shot him down cold
She tried to kill Reagan, everybody say gun control
Gun control

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The 1st verse is telling the story of Satan wanting to be in the place of God and not being satisfied with his spot as a favored angel. This concept is one of the basic Judeo-Christian beliefs. So in that verse Prince is identifying Annie Christian as the anti-Christ. In the next verse listed, Prince is saying that the anti-Christ killed John Lennon and tried to kill Reagan.

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I truly believe that Prince was a Christian himself, even before he became a JW. Religion and spirituality is evident is a large part of his music. I've always had an issue with his combination of spiritual and sexual in the same songs, but in several interviews he states that he believes that sex is spiritual and I can see it as such between 2 people. I just don't get how God is involved in that eventhough God created sex.

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Reply #3 posted 09/27/16 3:47pm

cindyt

Sex is not sacred outside of the context in the Bible sorry to say. It's sacred in the marriage bond. That's what the words in Scripture are there for. And he promoted outside of the biblical context sex all the time, both in lyrics and lifestyle, and actions on stage. For example, how do you say the Lord's Prayer on stage while promoting sex that whole concert at the same time....and pray lead us not into temptation. .. (ps not judging, I have no place to, but I am a Christian). I don't think Prince was a believer, sorry. I think he might have been the opposite, and yes that is judging. I really truly think he was talking about Christians in this song as well. And blaming them for literally every evil thing in the world. And hoping they would all die. That's my opinion. People are very quick to give him a pass for everything he wrote and did onstage. I don't give any member of his bands a pass either, and hold them up to the same scrutiny. How you get up there and sing and play some of that stuff? I don't anyone's heart, but I do know what I see, and AGAIN, I want to know what these people really thought. It's something I'm very interested in for a REASON.

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Reply #4 posted 09/27/16 3:48pm

cindyt

and if you fear a "God", you aren't going to flirt with blasphemy of that God. Right?

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Reply #5 posted 09/27/16 8:49pm

cb70

This is why I turned away from religion as soon as I started thinking outside of the box my parents placed me in. It's just a song, it was just a stage show. The problem isn't with Prince and his band members. It's with you being unable to reconcile something that doesn't line up with your beliefs. Let it go and enjoy it for what it is not for what you perceive it to be based on 2000 year old mushroom hallucinations.

god bless christian death.

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Reply #6 posted 09/27/16 8:55pm

cindyt

thats what I figured.

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Reply #7 posted 09/27/16 8:58pm

tmo1965

cindyt said:

Sex is not sacred outside of the context in the Bible sorry to say. It's sacred in the marriage bond. That's what the words in Scripture are there for. And he promoted outside of the biblical context sex all the time, both in lyrics and lifestyle, and actions on stage. For example, how do you say the Lord's Prayer on stage while promoting sex that whole concert at the same time....and pray lead us not into temptation. .. (ps not judging, I have no place to, but I am a Christian). I don't think Prince was a believer, sorry. I think he might have been the opposite, and yes that is judging. I really truly think he was talking about Christians in this song as well. And blaming them for literally every evil thing in the world. And hoping they would all die. That's my opinion. People are very quick to give him a pass for everything he wrote and did onstage. I don't give any member of his bands a pass either, and hold them up to the same scrutiny. How you get up there and sing and play some of that stuff? I don't anyone's heart, but I do know what I see, and AGAIN, I want to know what these people really thought. It's something I'm very interested in for a REASON.

So, in the 1st verse of Annie Christian that I previously posted, who do you think that Prince is referring to, given what the Bible says about Lucifer? To me, Prince defined who Annie Christian is there.

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Reply #8 posted 09/27/16 9:03pm

cindyt

I think he is referring to all "christians" as the true anti-christ, in other words, he saw evil as good and good as evil, and christians as evil...thus all his "reverse" stuff...

It's just what I think. I got a right to my own thinking, except in the world of the "'christian" haters.

I think this song makes it plain that he thinks anyone who didn't think like HE did is the enemy and the one to hate. And I think this song makes it plain that he is referring to "Christians".

I think the people around him felt the same.

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Reply #9 posted 09/27/16 9:19pm

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This song was a reaction to John Lennon's death. And, yes, it's a play on words.

"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato

https://youtu.be/CVwv9LZMah0
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Reply #10 posted 09/27/16 9:24pm

tmo1965

cindyt said:

I think he is referring to all "christians" as the true anti-christ, in other words, he saw evil as good and good as evil, and christians as evil...thus all his "reverse" stuff...

It's just what I think. I got a right to my own thinking, except in the world of the "'christian" haters.

I think this song makes it plain that he thinks anyone who didn't think like HE did is the enemy and the one to hate. And I think this song makes it plain that he is referring to "Christians".

I think the people around him felt the same.

You have a right to your own opinion, but I'm pretty sure you're wrong.

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Reply #11 posted 09/28/16 1:01am

Lovejunky

highfive

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Reply #12 posted 09/28/16 1:10am

jaawwnn

Good Grief CindyT. Seriously. Normally there's 20 threads a week WISHING he was less religious. If you have issues with him singing about sex you best find a new favourite artist.
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Reply #13 posted 09/28/16 1:31am

cindyt

whoever in this world said that everybody on prince.org thinks prince is their favorite artist? ha. funny.

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Reply #14 posted 09/28/16 5:53am

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cindyt said:

Sex is not sacred outside of the context in the Bible sorry to say. It's sacred in the marriage bond. That's what the words in Scripture are there for. And he promoted outside of the biblical context sex all the time, both in lyrics and lifestyle, and actions on stage. For example, how do you say the Lord's Prayer on stage while promoting sex that whole concert at the same time....and pray lead us not into temptation. .. (ps not judging, I have no place to, but I am a Christian). I don't think Prince was a believer, sorry. I think he might have been the opposite, and yes that is judging. I really truly think he was talking about Christians in this song as well. And blaming them for literally every evil thing in the world. And hoping they would all die. That's my opinion. People are very quick to give him a pass for everything he wrote and did onstage. I don't give any member of his bands a pass either, and hold them up to the same scrutiny. How you get up there and sing and play some of that stuff? I don't anyone's heart, but I do know what I see, and AGAIN, I want to know what these people really thought. It's something I'm very interested in for a REASON.

If you think Prince was not a Christian and was attacking christians in this song then you know nothing about Prince and his music.

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Reply #15 posted 09/28/16 6:12am

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cindyt said:

I really truly think he was talking about Christians in this song as well. And blaming them for literally every evil thing in the world. And hoping they would all die. That's my opinion.

You read the song completely wrong, like you formed an opinion that works fantastically to explain the song.... on opposite day.

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The character of Annie Christian is a personification of the world's ills and evils - the name is a play on Anti-Christ. Prince sets his stall out in the first track on the LP - after all the controversy regarding his previous album, it's lyrical content, his appearance and live shows promoting it, he explains what matters to him and what doesn't, and the Lords Prayer is a sincere recital, without cynicism.

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