Which one aspect of P turned you off most? or at times?

For me, I loved the balance of spirituality & sexuality. But when 1 side won, dogmatically so, it became a problem for me. Examples:

-The misoganistic lyrics in an otherwise great album -'The Rainbow Children'.

-The claims that he requested Wendy & Lisa to publicly renounce their lesbianism if they wanted to play with him again.

-When he said in a Guardian interview that maybe Shariah law wouldn't be a bad thing because you'd always know where you stood.

You?

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Morningstarlet said:

I didn't care for the way he treated the women in his life. If the book Possessed is correct he treated Susannah Melvoin horribly. Just pretty much a male slut with no concern for the pain he caused others.

That's a really tough one to address. Or know about. On one level he was the foremost supporter of female musicians. On another level, it felt as if he had cultural, aquired atttitudes from the '70's that stinked a bit...

Morningstarlet said:

I didn't care for the way he treated the women in his life. If the book Possessed is correct he treated Susannah Melvoin horribly. Just pretty much a male slut with no concern for the pain he caused others.

This can be said for just about EVERY big time star. It seems to come with the territory. And, going in, most of the women seem to know this.

FlyOnTheWall said:

Morningstarlet said:

I didn't care for the way he treated the women in his life. If the book Possessed is correct he treated Susannah Melvoin horribly. Just pretty much a male slut with no concern for the pain he caused others.

This can be said for just about EVERY big time star. It seems to come with the territory. And, going in, most of the women seem to know this.

Maybe so, but it seems each and every female in his life felt they had a unique and special relationship (And maybe they did! - just don't let them check the dates too closely) Having said that I don't doubt his love & respect for women.

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Great topic. I hope it doesn't get locked, as I personally think it helps the grief process and is healthy to talk about the not so perfect side of someone after they pass, as not all of us are Saints!

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I agree with the womanizing stuff. Yuck. His lyrics spoke so often of wanting true love, a long term relationship, etc. but I don't think he was capable.

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I understand the point that most musicians are probably that way, but IMO he wasn't like most musicians in most all other aspects of the industry.

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Also, that point in his career when he wouldn't speak, knowing that he was coming across as aloof or superior. I remember one interview (can't remember when or who interviewed him) but he would whisper his answers to Mayte and she would have to answer for him. That was just weird.

bigtimefan said:

Great topic. I hope it doesn't get locked, as I personally think it helps the grief process and is healthy to talk about the not so perfect side of someone after they pass, as not all of us are Saints!

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I agree with the womanizing stuff. Yuck. His lyrics spoke so often of wanting true love, a long term relationship, etc. but I don't think he was capable.

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I understand the point that most musicians are probably that way, but IMO he wasn't like most musicians in most all other aspects of the industry.

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Also, that point in his career when he wouldn't speak, knowing that he was coming across as aloof or superior. I remember one interview (can't remember when or who interviewed him) but he would whisper his answers to Mayte and she would have to answer for him. That was just weird.

That was 'The Sunday Show' a BBC show & Veronica Webb interviewing him. Very annoying show but I enjoyed the interview. There are 2 versions out there. One intercut with a 'Gold Experience' tour sound check at Wembley. But in that period he could do no wrong for me.

oliviacamron said:

I want to jump to his defense a little. I think Prince had trouble really loving a woman fully . I think he had this trouble because his mother abandoned . He had walls up. His mother did not teach him love and trust. Another thing I think, Prince was so intelligent, after a while ,if the woman no where near matches his intellect, he would get bored with her

Certainly not meaning to attack or dis him. And totally get the complexity of his interpersonal relationships. It just interests me - because we all feel so close to him, what were the moments when people noticed a difference in thinking.

oliviacamron said:

oliviacamron said:

oliviacamron said:

I want to jump to his defense a little. I think Prince had trouble really loving a woman fully . I think he had this trouble because his mother abandoned . He had walls up. His mother did not teach him love and trust. Another thing I think, Prince was so intelligent, after a while ,if the woman no where near matches his intellect, he would get bored with her

Oh I'm sorry forgot the question, umm turn offs by Prince hmmmmmmm.i don't like it when he made songs with the older generation

Like who?

petergaynor said:

oliviacamron said:

petergaynor said:

Like who?

I been catching so much hell for my comments today but here it goes, Mavis, Shaka, The old dude with the small head, it just turned me off. I really just like seeing Prince perform the vocals and stuff by himself

Ha, That's funny. I kinda know what you mean, but I think they are great & have their place, once they're not dominating during a gig. (Would love to know who you are thinking of when you say - 'The old dude with the small head'.) Funny.

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oliviacamron said:

petergaynor said:

Like who?

I been catching so much hell for my comments today but here it goes, Mavis, Shaka, The old dude with the small head, it just turned me off. I really just like seeing Prince perform the vocals and stuff by himself

is it bad to say him being a jw/religious is a turn off? i couldn't care less about his religion good on him tho but to a point where he would go far as shunning homosexuals goes, yeeeahhhh >.>; i still like him as a musician but...ugh why tho

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joeycocopuffs said:

is it bad to say him being a jw/religious is a turn off? i couldn't care less about his religion good on him tho but to a point where he would go far as shunning homosexuals goes, yeeeahhhh >.>; i still like him as a musican but...ugh why tho

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Gotta agree I'm afraid.

Nothing about Prince, but one of his background singers got under my skin...that chick could sing but damn she tried to out shine P. Yeah I said it

petergaynor said:

Which one aspect of P turned you off most? or at times?

For me, I loved the balance of spirituality & sexuality. But when 1 side won, dogmatically so, it became a problem for me. Examples:

-The misoganistic lyrics in an otherwise great album -'The Rainbow Children'.

-The claims that he requested Wendy & Lisa to publicly renounce their lesbianism if they wanted to play with him again.

-When he said in a Guardian interview that maybe Shariah law wouldn't be a bad thing because you'd always know where you stood.

You?

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Oh god did he really? I must've missed that part when i read that interview and not knowing about the whole sharia law at the time (now i do...EW). damnit prince! still like ya but UGHHHHH

Seriously though Im glad his religion brought him some peace and happiness...hell we all need to get closer to our creator. My only thing is that being apart of that religion may have affected his health decisions and that makes me so very sad.

petergaynor said:

joeycocopuffs said:

is it bad to say him being a jw/religious is a turn off? i couldn't care less about his religion good on him tho but to a point where he would go far as shunning homosexuals goes, yeeeahhhh >.>; i still like him as a musican but...ugh why tho

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Gotta agree I'm afraid.

Especially because the early days of hs career he pique people's curiosity by seeming to be ambiguous where sexuality was concerned. Therefore likely gaining fans who are in that community, and then turn around and shun them... Agreed about the Jdub stuff too.

To each their own.

joeycocopuffs said:

petergaynor said:

Which one aspect of P turned you off most? or at times?

For me, I loved the balance of spirituality & sexuality. But when 1 side won, dogmatically so, it became a problem for me. Examples:

-The misoganistic lyrics in an otherwise great album -'The Rainbow Children'.

-The claims that he requested Wendy & Lisa to publicly renounce their lesbianism if they wanted to play with him again.

-When he said in a Guardian interview that maybe Shariah law wouldn't be a bad thing because you'd always know where you stood.

You?

[Edited 9/8/16 17:32pm]

Oh god did he really? I must've missed that part when i read that interview and not knowing about the whole sharia law at the time (now i do...EW). damnit prince! still like ya but UGHHHHH

Interesting artical, a bit disspiriting. Resulting in him denyingn he had every said in & was misquoted. However, The Guardian claimed they had the tapes. Kicked up a bit of fuss at the time...

bigtimefan said:

Also, that point in his career when he wouldn't speak, knowing that he was coming across as aloof or superior. I remember one interview (can't remember when or who interviewed him) but he would whisper his answers to Mayte and she would have to answer for him. That was just weird.

Yeah this was embarressing - I hated that too (but I went along with it) LOL

nursev said:

Nothing about Prince, but one of his background singers got under my skin...that chick could sing but damn she tried to out shine P. Yeah I said it

Yeah me too - and I hated the "clap our hands" that was yelled out by Shelby - it just seemed so unnecessary to me - but hey, I dont really care, I was there to see it and so grateful for that.

His arrogance. I like some of that attitude in his music, but his haughtiness when expressing his beliefs about social issues, religion, culture, and so on in interviews was often unbearble. It just seemed like he was convinced he was right about everything, even when he was so ineffective in expressing his (in my opinion, usually uneducated) viewpoint.

His proselytizing. His homophobia. His legal threats against fans. Chemtrails.

I hate how he seemed to become a symbol of the thing he stood against in his earlier work. The personal freedom. The pairing of the carnal with the spiritual. Rejection of social norms. It's disappointing. But that's just me.

When I was younger and he showed up to the red carpet with Manuela, I was super upset. I told my mom "He's MINE!" hahaha I was 10 or 11 I think... So basically anyone he was dating, since it wasn't me.

ooo I loves this topic.

Let's see Womanizing..CHECK

at times he came off as a male chauvinist

His vanity(not the woman but his always having to look photo shoot perfect) grrr I at times could smack him over that crap)

The fact it was always his way or no way

Double Standard rules

as in he could sample/cover other's songs but lord help anyone that wanted to try to do that his stuff! also the way he treated The Time over the years too

STUBBORNESS

But like ya'll I loved him too!...sigh...