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Reply #60 posted 08/11/16 1:28pm

Waiting4Fall

1Sasha said:

Neal Karlen related how Prince would call him in the middle of the night because he was sad and lonely. I know Neal made some flippant comments about Prince's letters, but I think he was the one journalist who seemed to pierce the facade and talk about the real person behind the mask. I don't think that lost little 13-year-old boy ever recovered from what his parents did to him.

Did Prince ever comment on Karlen's flippant comments?

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Reply #61 posted 08/11/16 1:47pm

jayseajay

1Sasha said:

Neal Karlen related how Prince would call him in the middle of the night because he was sad and lonely. I know Neal made some flippant comments about Prince's letters, but I think he was the one journalist who seemed to pierce the facade and talk about the real person behind the mask. I don't think that lost little 13-year-old boy ever recovered from what his parents did to him.

No, I don't think he did either. But he survived it, and in so many ways, totally magnificently.

Not like I love my guitar....
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Reply #62 posted 08/11/16 1:48pm

jayseajay

Waiting4Fall said:

1Sasha said:

Neal Karlen related how Prince would call him in the middle of the night because he was sad and lonely. I know Neal made some flippant comments about Prince's letters, but I think he was the one journalist who seemed to pierce the facade and talk about the real person behind the mask. I don't think that lost little 13-year-old boy ever recovered from what his parents did to him.

Did Prince ever comment on Karlen's flippant comments?

It was so few days before he passed, I don't think so...I just hope to God he didn't ever hear them.

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Reply #63 posted 08/11/16 3:41pm

PeteSilas

Waiting4Fall said:

Something else that scares me is that I'm alone and lonely. It seems like Prince was also. Didn't he ask at a recent concert if he had any friends there? If someone with millions of fans and the ability to buy as many sparkly toys as he wants is lonely, what hope is there for me?

maybe it was just one of those performance/church kind of questions "did you hear me?" "i don't believe you heard me" but ya, i wonder about it too. It's been said that Elvis died friendless, in many ways it's true, the people who will fight tooth and nail to ingratiate themselves to someone in that position aren't the best of people. The good people you have to pretty much look for on your own. I've been wondering lately too, as I look back over my life "have I really ever had a friend?" I don't think so. Maybe Prince felt the same way.

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Reply #64 posted 08/11/16 3:58pm

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PeteSilas said:

Waiting4Fall said:

Something else that scares me is that I'm alone and lonely. It seems like Prince was also. Didn't he ask at a recent concert if he had any friends there? If someone with millions of fans and the ability to buy as many sparkly toys as he wants is lonely, what hope is there for me?

maybe it was just one of those performance/church kind of questions "did you hear me?" "i don't believe you heard me" but ya, i wonder about it too. It's been said that Elvis died friendless, in many ways it's true, the people who will fight tooth and nail to ingratiate themselves to someone in that position aren't the best of people. The good people you have to pretty much look for on your own. I've been wondering lately too, as I look back over my life "have I really ever had a friend?" I don't think so. Maybe Prince felt the same way.

hug Can we be friends?

"Give me back the time, you can keep the memories"
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Reply #65 posted 08/11/16 4:43pm

Vashtix

PeteSilas said:

Waiting4Fall said:

Something else that scares me is that I'm alone and lonely. It seems like Prince was also. Didn't he ask at a recent concert if he had any friends there? If someone with millions of fans and the ability to buy as many sparkly toys as he wants is lonely, what hope is there for me?

maybe it was just one of those performance/church kind of questions "did you hear me?" "i don't believe you heard me" but ya, i wonder about it too. It's been said that Elvis died friendless, in many ways it's true, the people who will fight tooth and nail to ingratiate themselves to someone in that position aren't the best of people. The good people you have to pretty much look for on your own. I've been wondering lately too, as I look back over my life "have I really ever had a friend?" I don't think so. Maybe Prince felt the same way.

It's like his song/vid Sombody's Somebody

All the fans and parties and concerts in the world but still all alone

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Reply #66 posted 08/11/16 5:52pm

Waiting4Fall

Vashtix said:

PeteSilas said:

maybe it was just one of those performance/church kind of questions "did you hear me?" "i don't believe you heard me" but ya, i wonder about it too. It's been said that Elvis died friendless, in many ways it's true, the people who will fight tooth and nail to ingratiate themselves to someone in that position aren't the best of people. The good people you have to pretty much look for on your own. I've been wondering lately too, as I look back over my life "have I really ever had a friend?" I don't think so. Maybe Prince felt the same way.

It's like his song/vid Sombody's Somebody

All the fans and parties and concerts in the world but still all alone

I remember at my b-day parties when I was little, thinking I had a lot of friends. I’m guessing they were more like acquaintances. Now I have someone I go to dinner with occasionally, but that’s it. It’s hard to make real friends, especially when you aren’t in school. And I'm so introverted, the thought of going out and meeting people just exhausts me.

That being said, I know plenty of people with boyfriends/girlfriends/spouses that are lonely.

Being Prince, I'm sure he took every relationship he had with a grain of salt and he got burned plenty of times. I don't think fans are friends. Everyone has an agenda.

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Reply #67 posted 08/11/16 9:54pm

PeteSilas

Waiting4Fall said:

1Sasha said:

Neal Karlen related how Prince would call him in the middle of the night because he was sad and lonely. I know Neal made some flippant comments about Prince's letters, but I think he was the one journalist who seemed to pierce the facade and talk about the real person behind the mask. I don't think that lost little 13-year-old boy ever recovered from what his parents did to him.

Did Prince ever comment on Karlen's flippant comments?

what were karlen's flippant comments? I probably heard but refresh my memory. I also ain't sure about the "I love you man" stories, don't see why an artist would call a journalist and say some shit like that, but then, i don't trust journalist much more than prince did.

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Reply #68 posted 08/11/16 9:55pm

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Nodin said:

PeteSilas said:

maybe it was just one of those performance/church kind of questions "did you hear me?" "i don't believe you heard me" but ya, i wonder about it too. It's been said that Elvis died friendless, in many ways it's true, the people who will fight tooth and nail to ingratiate themselves to someone in that position aren't the best of people. The good people you have to pretty much look for on your own. I've been wondering lately too, as I look back over my life "have I really ever had a friend?" I don't think so. Maybe Prince felt the same way.

hug Can we be friends?

sure why not

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Reply #69 posted 08/12/16 12:34am

LBrent

Waiting4Fall said:



Vashtix said:




PeteSilas said:



maybe it was just one of those performance/church kind of questions "did you hear me?" "i don't believe you heard me" but ya, i wonder about it too. It's been said that Elvis died friendless, in many ways it's true, the people who will fight tooth and nail to ingratiate themselves to someone in that position aren't the best of people. The good people you have to pretty much look for on your own. I've been wondering lately too, as I look back over my life "have I really ever had a friend?" I don't think so. Maybe Prince felt the same way.



It's like his song/vid Sombody's Somebody


All the fans and parties and concerts in the world but still all alone




I remember at my b-day parties when I was little, thinking I had a lot of friends. I’m guessing they were more like acquaintances. Now I have someone I go to dinner with occasionally, but that’s it. It’s hard to make real friends, especially when you aren’t in school. And I'm so introverted, the thought of going out and meeting people just exhausts me.



That being said, I know plenty of people with boyfriends/girlfriends/spouses that are lonely.



Being Prince, I'm sure he took every relationship he had with a grain of salt and he got burned plenty of times. I don't think fans are friends. Everyone has an agenda.




2 things...

1) I just saw a clip from Lopez where P's in red and showing George Lopez a yellow guitar. When George asks if P had others, P sorta smiles sadly and says something like, "No, people steal from me."

2) I read an old interview from Rolling Stone magazine where the interviewer drove with P to pick up his Dad to play pool on his Dad's birthday. P's driving his Dad's white 1966 Thunderbird (from the Alphabet video) and his Dad's carefully driving the purple BMW that P got him for a previous birthday).

Anyway, earlier P takes the interviewer around to the neighborhood he grew up in and then to the modest purple split level house with the recording studio, behind the gates with the heart/peace sign. The one that was later torn down. So, fame and money were still fairly new and P was still young and trying to live in a step up from regular life. Like imagine how you live right now and you think that if you can live in your house, but upgrade a few things, keep living the way you live but get a car that runs better, buy a few toys. That's sad cuz of where he was in life, but he mentioned how he wished his friends (which would be old friends from childhood and his bandmates up to the 1999 era at this point) would visit much more, but he felt that they felt they were bothering him but that he missed them.

I was SOBBING. That was before PR, before PP, and he already was behind a gate with security because he said more aggressive fans would come by and be buzzing the bell or driving past, blaring his music. He said he didn't mind fans dropping by but his neighbors would complain about the disturbance cuz even though it was a nice area, it was as a regular neighborhood and the houses weren't really far away from each other. The interviewer said P was a good neighbor.

The whole thing made me nauseous. Here he was, a young guy just trying to live his dream, only to find himself already lonely and cut off from his regular life. I can only imagine how much worse it all got the more famous/rich he got.

That's how someone becomes a legendary icon...and dies alone in an elevator in their home compound.

It makes me sad and angry for him.
[Edited 8/12/16 0:48am]
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Reply #70 posted 08/12/16 3:44am

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Neal Karlen is in possession of handwritten letters from Prince. His comment in an interview was - I am paraphrasing - that the letters would be worth a lot of money once Prince died. Shortly thereafter, Prince was gone and NK was guilt-stricken at having even joked like that. What has stuck in my mind, however, was NK's column after Prince died, and his first statement that he hoped Prince was dead before he hit the elevator floor, because the one thing Prince was afraid of was dying alone. And we all know that is what happened.

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Reply #71 posted 08/12/16 8:20am

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The guy's a jerk.

"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato

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Reply #72 posted 08/12/16 8:53am

Waiting4Fall

Just found this. It's heartbreaking. Even ignoring the columnist, how could you trash someone on the radio?

http://www.startribune.com/c-j-neal-karlen-knows-lots-about-prince-just-don-t-call-him-the-prince-guy/375088911/

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Reply #73 posted 08/12/16 9:07am

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Nodin said:

My son just asked me why Prince makes me cry. I was watching Prince sing on the Musicology DVD tour and was reduced to tears. I said that to make a young woman cry ( I was one once so I remember), just about all you need is a pretty face and a slow song. He said you mean like Justin Bieber (who he is not a fan of )? I said yes like that (no offense to the young folks who are here who like him). To make a 50 plus women sob, takes soul and groove and words that fill you to the brim and then overflow. Prince stands alone in that category for me. My sweet 11yr old boy then sat and held me. I love my son for understanding and I miss Prince in my world. sad

AMEN! cool sad Prince was like a Big Brother for even some Straight Men, I Don't cry but real sad back in April/May/June. But have come with grips with the greif and moving on, actually might continue his Funk!

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Reply #74 posted 08/12/16 9:12am

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Nodin said:

PeteSilas said:

maybe it was just one of those performance/church kind of questions "did you hear me?" "i don't believe you heard me" but ya, i wonder about it too. It's been said that Elvis died friendless, in many ways it's true, the people who will fight tooth and nail to ingratiate themselves to someone in that position aren't the best of people. The good people you have to pretty much look for on your own. I've been wondering lately too, as I look back over my life "have I really ever had a friend?" I don't think so. Maybe Prince felt the same way.

hug Can we be friends?

Plenty of Purple People to be friends with. biggrin

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Reply #75 posted 08/12/16 9:16am

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Waiting4Fall said:

Something else that scares me is that I'm alone and lonely. It seems like Prince was also. Didn't he ask at a recent concert if he had any friends there? If someone with millions of fans and the ability to buy as many sparkly toys as he wants is lonely, what hope is there for me?

Plenty of Hope, Some of us can be a Purple Family here. smile wink

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Reply #76 posted 08/12/16 9:25am

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Astasheiks said:

Nodin said:

hug Can we be friends?

Plenty of Purple People to be friends with. biggrin

Hello purple friend! wave

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Reply #77 posted 08/12/16 9:44am

Waiting4Fall

This resonates too. With Prince gone, I'm watching the last naiveté of my youth disappear--it reminds me of a toddler when they accidently release a helium balloon. It's sort of like...what just happened?

fen said:

Nodin said:

My son just asked me why Prince makes me cry. I was watching Prince sing on the Musicology DVD tour and was reduced to tears. I said that to make a young woman cry ( I was one once so I remember), just about all you need is a pretty face and a slow song. He said you mean like Justin Bieber (who he is not a fan of )? I said yes like that (no offense to the young folks who are here who like him). To make a 50 plus women sob, takes soul and groove and words that fill you to the brim and then overflow. Prince stands alone in that category for me. My sweet 11yr old boy then sat and held me. I love my son for understanding and I miss Prince in my world. sad

Hi Nodin,

It's not just middle aged women, but jaded and world-weary near middle-aged men as well. For me, it was watching his performance of “All The Critics Love U In Montreux” from 2009 a few weeks after his death. The whole performance is euphoric, but the moment that really got to me takes place around the 4:15 mark, when the camera briefly cuts away to a young girl sitting on somebody's shoulders. It was just the look of sheer joy and exhilaration on her face - it brought home to me exactly what we'd lost. It's also quite wonderful when the crowd bursts into the “Forever In My Life” chant, apparently unprompted and in perfect time. I believe that there are many great artists in the world capable of moving us with their music, but who else can do precisely what Prince did at his best?

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Reply #78 posted 08/12/16 10:26am

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Nodin said:

Astasheiks said:

Plenty of Purple People to be friends with. biggrin

Hello purple friend! wave

Hello to you also! wave

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Reply #79 posted 08/12/16 10:28am

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Waiting4Fall said:

This resonates too. With Prince gone, I'm watching the last naiveté of my youth disappear--it reminds me of a toddler when they accidently release a helium balloon. It's sort of like...what just happened?

fen said:

Hi Nodin,

It's not just middle aged women, but jaded and world-weary near middle-aged men as well. For me, it was watching his performance of “All The Critics Love U In Montreux” from 2009 a few weeks after his death. The whole performance is euphoric, but the moment that really got to me takes place around the 4:15 mark, when the camera briefly cuts away to a young girl sitting on somebody's shoulders. It was just the look of sheer joy and exhilaration on her face - it brought home to me exactly what we'd lost. It's also quite wonderful when the crowd bursts into the “Forever In My Life” chant, apparently unprompted and in perfect time. I believe that there are many great artists in the world capable of moving us with their music, but who else can do precisely what Prince did at his best?

Seems like a few of us are around the same age, biggrin, I'm 56. So I can certainly relate but that's life I guess.

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Reply #80 posted 08/12/16 10:46am

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Astasheiks said:

Waiting4Fall said:

This resonates too. With Prince gone, I'm watching the last naiveté of my youth disappear--it reminds me of a toddler when they accidently release a helium balloon. It's sort of like...what just happened?

Seems like a few of us are around the same age, biggrin, I'm 56. So I can certainly relate but that's life I guess.

I'm waiting on my second youth. lol Bring it on! bringiton

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Reply #81 posted 08/12/16 11:44am

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jayseajay said:

I've been thinking about this a lot - because man, this shit is hard - and I think it's a whole bunch of things, many of which have been mentioned, but with P, it's all of them at once...

- The world is getting more and more commercialized and trashy, and P represented the importance of realy, authentic music, and the type of community that could create, as opposed to it being all about brands and image and bullshit...

- Almost no-one could channel energy/love the way he did, he could just open himself and out it came, and that is incredibly rare and precious, and I can't think of anyone else who can do it...and its just such a phenomenal loss...

- It's a dark year in general, and everything seems to be getting way darker and he knew that, and saw it coming, and told us we all needed to stick together, and now he's not effing here...and we need him...

- I think for a lot of us middle aged women, he was really tied up with our sexual awakenings, and losing him has taken us back to that, and what he represented for us then, and y'know, to think about the difference between how we felt when we were 14 or whatever, and the real life and real men that came after that...which was not always quite so sexy...

- There was the human bit of P (which as we know, was as human as everyone), and then there's the artist, and what he could do, and the fact that there is something just so otherworldly and transcendent about it...and it feels like that can't and shouldn't and won't die, and at the same time, he's dead and it makes no sense at all...

- The way he died was awful and shocking and tragic and confounding and so so wrong for someone who lived the kind of life he lived, and it's not okay, and it's just really really hard to come to terms with...

- And it also I think, really stimulates the protective part of us, because we realize now there was something really not okay with him, and we want to be able to do something about it and help him or get someone to help him, and we can't and we never will and it's too late and that just totally sucks...

So yeah, lots of stuff...

Your post is profound. It is so thoughtful and deep. Thank you for sharing it. I can totally relate. heart

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Reply #82 posted 08/12/16 12:26pm

PeteSilas

Waiting4Fall said:

Just found this. It's heartbreaking. Even ignoring the columnist, how could you trash someone on the radio?

http://www.startribune.com/c-j-neal-karlen-knows-lots-about-prince-just-don-t-call-him-the-prince-guy/375088911/

thanks, i'll check it out now.

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Reply #83 posted 08/12/16 12:35pm

jayseajay

Waiting4Fall said:

Just found this. It's heartbreaking. Even ignoring the columnist, how could you trash someone on the radio?

http://www.startribune.com/c-j-neal-karlen-knows-lots-about-prince-just-don-t-call-him-the-prince-guy/375088911/

It was a really crass thing to say, but I kind of get it, it was an obvious joke to make, so he made it...and I think even as he said it he realized it was crass and he shouldn't be saying it. I kind of feel a bit bad for him really, because the timing was so terrible, and when P passed Neal was mortified. I do think he really respected P, and had genuine sympathy with him...the two RS articles are probably two of the best interviews/profiles ever, P clealry came to trust him, and felt Neal had represented him well...which is why I just hope he ever ever heard that interview...

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Reply #84 posted 08/12/16 12:38pm

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LBrent said:

Waiting4Fall said:

I remember at my b-day parties when I was little, thinking I had a lot of friends. I’m guessing they were more like acquaintances. Now I have someone I go to dinner with occasionally, but that’s it. It’s hard to make real friends, especially when you aren’t in school. And I'm so introverted, the thought of going out and meeting people just exhausts me.

That being said, I know plenty of people with boyfriends/girlfriends/spouses that are lonely.

Being Prince, I'm sure he took every relationship he had with a grain of salt and he got burned plenty of times. I don't think fans are friends. Everyone has an agenda.

2 things... 1) I just saw a clip from Lopez where P's in red and showing George Lopez a yellow guitar. When George asks if P had others, P sorta smiles sadly and says something like, "No, people steal from me." 2) I read an old interview from Rolling Stone magazine where the interviewer drove with P to pick up his Dad to play pool on his Dad's birthday. P's driving his Dad's white 1966 Thunderbird (from the Alphabet video) and his Dad's carefully driving the purple BMW that P got him for a previous birthday). Anyway, earlier P takes the interviewer around to the neighborhood he grew up in and then to the modest purple split level house with the recording studio, behind the gates with the heart/peace sign. The one that was later torn down. So, fame and money were still fairly new and P was still young and trying to live in a step up from regular life. Like imagine how you live right now and you think that if you can live in your house, but upgrade a few things, keep living the way you live but get a car that runs better, buy a few toys. That's sad cuz of where he was in life, but he mentioned how he wished his friends (which would be old friends from childhood and his bandmates up to the 1999 era at this point) would visit much more, but he felt that they felt they were bothering him but that he missed them. I was SOBBING. That was before PR, before PP, and he already was behind a gate with security because he said more aggressive fans would come by and be buzzing the bell or driving past, blaring his music. He said he didn't mind fans dropping by but his neighbors would complain about the disturbance cuz even though it was a nice area, it was as a regular neighborhood and the houses weren't really far away from each other. The interviewer said P was a good neighbor. The whole thing made me nauseous. Here he was, a young guy just trying to live his dream, only to find himself already lonely and cut off from his regular life. I can only imagine how much worse it all got the more famous/rich he got. That's how someone becomes a legendary icon...and dies alone in an elevator in their home compound. It makes me sad and angry for him. [Edited 8/12/16 0:48am]

Thanks for sharing. I can't imagine what that is like. I feel sorry for him.

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Reply #85 posted 08/12/16 12:39pm

jayseajay

Krystalkisses said:

jayseajay said:

I've been thinking about this a lot - because man, this shit is hard - and I think it's a whole bunch of things, many of which have been mentioned, but with P, it's all of them at once...

- The world is getting more and more commercialized and trashy, and P represented the importance of realy, authentic music, and the type of community that could create, as opposed to it being all about brands and image and bullshit...

- Almost no-one could channel energy/love the way he did, he could just open himself and out it came, and that is incredibly rare and precious, and I can't think of anyone else who can do it...and its just such a phenomenal loss...

- It's a dark year in general, and everything seems to be getting way darker and he knew that, and saw it coming, and told us we all needed to stick together, and now he's not effing here...and we need him...

- I think for a lot of us middle aged women, he was really tied up with our sexual awakenings, and losing him has taken us back to that, and what he represented for us then, and y'know, to think about the difference between how we felt when we were 14 or whatever, and the real life and real men that came after that...which was not always quite so sexy...

- There was the human bit of P (which as we know, was as human as everyone), and then there's the artist, and what he could do, and the fact that there is something just so otherworldly and transcendent about it...and it feels like that can't and shouldn't and won't die, and at the same time, he's dead and it makes no sense at all...

- The way he died was awful and shocking and tragic and confounding and so so wrong for someone who lived the kind of life he lived, and it's not okay, and it's just really really hard to come to terms with...

- And it also I think, really stimulates the protective part of us, because we realize now there was something really not okay with him, and we want to be able to do something about it and help him or get someone to help him, and we can't and we never will and it's too late and that just totally sucks...

So yeah, lots of stuff...

Your post is profound. It is so thoughtful and deep. Thank you for sharing it. I can totally relate. heart

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Reply #86 posted 08/12/16 12:41pm

PeteSilas

Q: What is that thing with Prince about making people wait for him?

A: Because he can. What was his junior high? He’d walk down the hallways wearing women’s bikini underwear and a raincoat. He never changed.

He never wore bikini's in junior high, what is he talking about here?

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Reply #87 posted 08/12/16 12:41pm

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There is no one like him, no heirs; his artisty will never be matched. His music moved me and...Well..I'm middle age, my kids are grown, divorced, no significant other and basically Prince was the hot rich bad boy musician that I would have loved to hook up with and I lost my chance..very sad.. sigh disbelief bawl

..Hello, who is it?
Yes, this is a prettyman, Princey!
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Reply #88 posted 08/12/16 12:56pm

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PeteSilas said:

Q: What is that thing with Prince about making people wait for him?

A: Because he can. What was his junior high? He’d walk down the hallways wearing women’s bikini underwear and a raincoat. He never changed.

He never wore bikini's in junior high, what is he talking about here?

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Reply #89 posted 08/12/16 12:57pm

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ldmendes said:

basically Prince was the hot rich bad boy musician that I would have loved to hook up with and I lost my chance..very sad.. sigh disbelief bawl

sad.... comfort ...girl I'm with ya! Back in my teens and 20s I totally wanted to get down with P like that...lol .... not saying that was realistic, (just another fangirl in the crowd sigh but hey a girl can dream! ) although now my fantasy was more, like it would have been cool just working for him in some capacity or have been a buddy...lol...can you imagine all that you would have learned working for a creative genius?? Just to be around all that creative energy in talent. I know some people hated working for P but I think it would have been a great adventure. I had a dream recently, that I worked for him at PP and my whole family was so proud of me! They knew what a big fan I was and it was sorta like my "dream job". biggrin

[Edited 8/12/16 12:58pm]

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