I find those songs in particular a bit overrated and mystified (perhaps because they´re so hard to get?) and while I like some of the more "elitist" collectors out there (and those of them who are orgers) I find some others a tad too "elitist" for my taste.

It´s just a bunch of unreleased songs that Prince deemed subpar for an official release, so what´s the point in making a big fuss about keeping them to themselves? I could relate to their stance while Prince was still alive and could possibly trace the leaked outtakes back to where they came from but now that he is no longer on this earth the more sensible thing would be to share them with the rest of the hardcore fans, right?

love & sex was mentioned as a possible choice for the Crystal Ball 2 project, so Prince obviously thought it was worth releasing. I personally don't think any Prince song is 'not worth releasing', they all have merits and interesting things about them, now that he has passed i think they almost become more importnat to hear and get a release than when he was alive. as a sort of living testament to his creativity. so yeah release them NOW!

mushmackalenta said:

I thought after Princes death we would start to see more and more songs being shared for all to enjoy but so far this doesn't seem to be the case. I was wondering if the elite that have them are just a handful and are all people that at some point had some connection to Prince or are they in the hands of numerous collectors around the world. Also what value would a song like Come Elektra Tuesday or the the Full Cosmic Day have.

u forgot Walking In Glory

KoolEaze said:

It´s just a bunch of unreleased songs that Prince deemed subpar for an official release

Do you think that abour every outtake you've heard?

Also, it's not that Prince deemed his outtakes as subpar, it's just that they weren't appropriate for whatever project he was doing at the time.

bluegangsta said:

KoolEaze said:

It´s just a bunch of unreleased songs that Prince deemed subpar for an official release

Do you think that abour every outtake you've heard?

Also, it's not that Prince deemed his outtakes as subpar, it's just that they weren't appropriate for whatever project he was doing at the time.

No, absolutely not. And I love many outtakes, including those songs mentioned above. I think I should have expressed myself a bit better.

Just saying that those particular outtakes have, for some reason, become more (in)famous than most other outtakes that are, in my opinion, a bit more interesting.

KoolEaze said:

KoolEaze said:

bluegangsta said:

Do you think that abour every outtake you've heard?

Also, it's not that Prince deemed his outtakes as subpar, it's just that they weren't appropriate for whatever project he was doing at the time.

No, absolutely not. And I love many outtakes, including those songs mentioned above. I think I should have expressed myself a bit better.

Just saying that those particular outtakes have, for some reason, become more (in)famous than most other outtakes that are, in my opinion, a bit more interesting.

where did you hear these? are they already spreading somewhere? or are they still

very much an insider thing?

I'm jonesing for a juicy purple leak, but I kinda feel like the fact that Prince is gone will cause the elitists to keep an even tighter hold on the jewels. I think the titles listed above will probably have a better chance as an official release than, say, 'Prince's Family'. God, I'd love to get a hold of The Screams of Passion with Prince's vocal !!!

They are not elitists, far from. They are just folks who were trusted with music from someone close to Prince who could get that person in big trouble if they shared.

Let me ask you this: If you met someone like Micheal B. and he shared a rehearsal with you but trusted you would keep it to yourself, would you upload it for all to hear?

rapper said:

sulls said:

Per Nilsen described Sheila E's Love And Sex as a highly catchy and sophisticatred jam and was inexcuseable as to why it was not on the Sheila E album.

Dying to hear it.

rapper said:

They are not elitists, far from. They are just folks who were trusted with music from someone close to Prince who could get that person in big trouble if they shared.

Let me ask you this: If you met someone like Micheal B. and he shared a rehearsal with you but trusted you would keep it to yourself, would you upload it for all to hear?

It wasn´t my intention to disrespect such people, and it´s a big difference whether something like that happened before or after Prince´s passing. I can absolutely relate to what you are saying because I have met some people from the Prince camp over the years due to mutual friends or coincidences, or have been approached by folks asking me to try and get certain things but I refused. We actually never even discussed anything Prince related but that´s a whole different story.

I wasn´t referring to those kind of people that you are referring to .

Maybe I just had the wrong encounters with the wrong people at the wrong place and time, and those people were definitely a bit elitist and snobby for no good reason ( for what? having a few unreleased songs? some rare promo cds or whatnot? I couldn´t care less, really).

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And no, I never claimed to possess those songs, I only heard the snippets and while I liked what I heard, I still thought that there are other songs that previously leaked that I find more interesting.

What is interesting with respect to some of the more recent leaks, in the past two to three years, is that the elite traders appear possibly to have stems/multitracks of the outtake (the Madonna and MJ communities have had many of these for some time now, and there is an entire YT/soundcloud subculture built around them). I would extend my theory also to some of the higher-quality recent leaks of long-circulating tracks.

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It should be noted that a number of [relatively] recently leaked tracks appear to be from the same sessions/tapes.

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The vocals, if any, were a bit on the 'dry' side compared to the instrumentation, suggesting perhaps being sourced from a recent stem. Some of the mixes were odd too, as if put together by the trader on Ableton or somesuch. If they were simply demo's, traded on Memorex aeons ago, I would have expected a certain level of consistency to the product, which is lacking here.

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Were these coming, through a low-number change of hands, straight from the heart of PP, from the digitized copies of the 'baked' decaying tapes discussed over the past 10 or so years?

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'Our Destiny' seemed oddly insipid, with a bit too much here, and too little there. A bad and random mixdown of a much more elaborate track. . . That 'alternate' ICNTTPOYM, etc.

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Velvet Kitty Kat, My Love Belongs 2 U (an apparently fully completed track, leaked here in high-quality, with no vocal track)

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Paisley Park (instrumental) (with and without sound library overdubs), Traffic Jam (the initial leak was missing much of the overdubs of the full-length, which were overkill as if all the channels were simply left in), Love & Sex (from the same set of sessions as TJ, and possibly the early WDC, withheld from the general collectors, but discussed with enough ferocity as to suggest that it has been circulating somewhere recently).

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I believe the leakers of the above three tracks most likely have a demo to WDC as well.

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[Edited 8/9/16 14:46pm]

imprimis said:

imprimis said:

What is interesting with respect to some of the more recent leaks, in the past two to three years, is that the elite traders appear possibly to have stems/multitracks of the outtake (the Madonna and MJ communities have had many of these for some time now, and there is an entire YT/soundcloud subculture built around them). I would extend my theory also to some of the higher-quality recent leaks of long-circulating tracks.

.

It should be noted that a number of [relatively] recently leaked tracks appear to be from the same sessions/tapes.

.

The vocals, if any, were a bit on the 'dry' side compared to the instrumentation, suggesting perhaps being sourced from a recent stem. Some of the mixes were odd too, as if put together by the trader on Ableton or somesuch. If they were simply demo's, traded on Memorex aeons ago, I would have expected a certain level of consistency to the product, which is lacking here.

.

Were these coming, through a low-number change of hands, straight from the heart of PP, from the digitized copies of the 'baked' decaying tapes discussed over the past 10 or so years?

.

'Our Destiny' seemed oddly insipid, with a bit too much here, and too little there. A bad and random mixdown of a much more elaborate track. . . That 'alternate' ICNTTPOYM, etc.

.

Velvet Kitty Kat, My Love Belongs 2 U (an apparently fully completed track, leaked here in high-quality, with no vocal track)

.

Paisley Park (instrumental) (with and without sound library overdubs), Traffic Jam (the initial leak was missing much of the overdubs of the full-length, which were overkill as if all the channels were simply left in), Love & Sex (from the same set of sessions as TJ, and possibly the early WDC, withheld from the general collectors, but discussed with enough ferocity as to suggest that it has been circulating somewhere recently).

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I believe the leakers of the above three tracks most likely have a demo to WDC as well.

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[Edited 8/9/16 14:46pm]

Thanks for the input!

didnt that nut from ireland have these tracks?

luvsexy4all said:

didnt that nut from ireland have these tracks?

sinead o connor has these tracks?

Still jonesing for The Screams of Passion w/Prince vocal. Seeing as we're heading into Autumn, holding out hope that some kind soul will leak it.

sulls said:

Still jonesing for The Screams of Passion w/Prince vocal. Seeing as we're heading into Autumn, holding out hope that some kind soul will leak it.

well if we're jonesing anyway, let's just hold out hope for the entire family album with prince vox

IstenSzek said:

IstenSzek said:

luvsexy4all said:

didnt that nut from ireland have these tracks?

sinead o connor has these tracks?

no ...liberation...

rapper said:

whats the general consensus with the folks with these tracks???