bigtimefan said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

morningsong said:

Dibblekins said:

The more I read; the more I think; the more convinced I am that it was liver damage / disease (aka cirrhosis) that was ultimately behind his untimely demise.

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I posted my thoughts / reasoning on the 'Acquaintance who dropped off P' thread...Yes, it's all speculation but there are so many indications that support it, I find it hard to drop as a theory.

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It would even explain the strange lapse into unconsciousness on the 'plane and the citing of fentanyl toxicity as 'cause of death'.

I don't know what to think. I wanna know and I don't.

Same, I do and I don't. I do think he was suffering ill health the last couple of years whether it was cancer, liver or kidneys. Who knows. His skin had turned a yellowish colour and his eyes had lost that spark/twinkle to them, he just seemed so sad and resigned.

I also feel as though he was hoping/praying for a miracle (I'm not reglious in anyway) I don't know why but it's just a feeling I have.

I don't know if this was ever posted before but his mom had a kidney transplant a couple of years before she died.

http://www.fox9.com/news/185976275-story

beautyunaffected said:

beautyunaffected said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

beautyunaffected said:

The coverage that was pretty strange. The press kept mentioning how top secret it was. I wonder if something else went on.

Was kept too secret for an event held at the White House.
I hope Prince have him an earful on politics. Loved his opening to welcome to America tour P had enough.

Kara said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/is-prince-the-best-person-who-has-ever-done-this-whole-music-thing/2015/06/15/fb1a7304-135a-11e5-9ddc-e3353542100c_story.html [...] And according to a more elite level of Twitter braggarts, Wonder and Prince had performed together on Saturday night, too — at a private party on the South Lawn of the White House. Prince confirmed it Sunday at the Warner, offering his warmest words for the first family. “They were very cool to us, and I hope you’re proud of them because we are,” he said. “They’re doing the best they can.” [...]

ironically, prince didnt vote

Dibblekins said:

morningsong said:

I just reread a few of the articles regarding the DEA entering the investigation. 2 things stood out they found prescription painkillers, he had hip surgery in 2009.

The more I read; the more I think; the more convinced I am that it was liver damage / disease (aka cirrhosis) that was ultimately behind his untimely demise.

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I posted my thoughts / reasoning on the 'Acquaintance who dropped off P' thread...Yes, it's all speculation but there are so many indications that support it, I find it hard to drop as a theory.

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It would even explain the strange lapse into unconsciousness on the 'plane and the citing of fentanyl toxicity as 'cause of death'.

do pills cause cirhossis?

jumanji2016 said:

morningsong said:

I've come to the conclusion its been slowly progressive. MJ passed in 2009. When Prince is asked to comment he states he's too close to it. What did that mean? Not really sure but given how this played out it sounds like he knew he was on the same path.

Not sure if you heard about Tavis Smiley's recent interviews (excuse the redundancy if you have), but he has been recalling Prince's reaction to MJ's death---and mentioning that Prince canceled his jazz fest rehearsals and locked himself in his room when MJ died. Prince asked Tavis to come out to Switzerland and he said that Prince talked for hours about everything that Mike did that he loved. Although, the media always painted them as 'rivals', I truly believe they both valued each other...and to be born the same year...I'm sure it made Prince re-assess mortality. I kind of equate his reaction to hearing that a former classmate has died. I don't necessarily think that Prince had any issues physically at that time---but just look at how Prince's death has impacted us in the Org? I'm sure the deaths of his peers used to hurt and depress him even MORE so. I believe that the death of Whitney in 2012 probably hurt P just as much. She loved him so much and there's some videos on YouTube of she and her daughter at his concert a few months before she passed and there's one video where she's hugging P on stage. Those three were/are often considered the 'triumvirate of music' and if someone would have told me ten years ago that they would all be dead within a 7 year span, I would have never believed them. Giants carry giant loads. They all died while trying to persevere for the public. MJ was prepping for a physically-impossible world tour, Whitney had a 'comeback' peformance scheduled for the night of her death, and P was trying to downplay feeling unwell for his Atlanta concerts. I miss them. I just think P knew the pressures of the industry and how people always want artists to rehash younger versions of themselves instead of allowing them to evolve with age. [Edited 8/6/16 1:58am]

BINGO,I've always felt that was a part of it......ALSO HERE IS THE w.h. article..http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/inside-prince-and-stevie-wonders-top-secret-white-house-show-20150619 Glad he went to the white house.

[Edited 8/7/16 15:35pm]

[Edited 8/7/16 15:37pm]

PeteSilas said:

Dibblekins said:

The more I read; the more I think; the more convinced I am that it was liver damage / disease (aka cirrhosis) that was ultimately behind his untimely demise.

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I posted my thoughts / reasoning on the 'Acquaintance who dropped off P' thread...Yes, it's all speculation but there are so many indications that support it, I find it hard to drop as a theory.

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It would even explain the strange lapse into unconsciousness on the 'plane and the citing of fentanyl toxicity as 'cause of death'.

do pills cause cirhossis?

Yes, hun - they can do.
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Here is the post I made in the other thread:
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My personal suspicion is that he started taking pain relief to deal with problems with his hips and knees sustained over years of frenetic dancing (some of his moves are suggestive of someone with hypermobility) and that this led to liver damage (cirrhosis).

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I've been thinking about the following factors:

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* I noticed he was starting to get a slightly yellowish hue to his skin which is indicative of liver problems;
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*the low red blood cell count mentioned (another symptom of liver disease);

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*the loss of appetite;

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*the stomach problems / nausea reported by the chef;

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*the weight loss;

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*the lapse into unconsciousness on the 'plane (referred to in patients with liver damage as 'stupor');

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*the fact that he was wearing clothes that completely covered him from head to toe (bruising is another symptom);

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*the fact that the doctor was coming round on the morning of his death with blood test results (possibly to confirm end-stage liver disease - the maximum score on which indicates about 90 days left of life);

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*P's hints in his songs and performances that he didn't have long left (cirrhosis is ultimately fatal, without, usually, a liver transplant);

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*the fact that JWs won't allow organ transplants (a liver transplant being, really, the only potential solution - EDIT: another poster on here confirmed that JW teachings on this have changed and that organ transplants are now not prohibited but left up to the individual's conscience);

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*the fact that the cause of death was cited as being Fentanyl toxicity - cirrhosis slows the liver’s ability to filter medications from the blood. When this slowdown occurs, medications act longer than expected and build up in the body;
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* the fact that the family seem content to allow his cause of death to be listed purely as accidental Fentanyl overdose - because, actually, if liver damage makes one more susceptible to toxicity then, yes, the Fentanyl could WELL be the actual cause of death (perhaps any liver damage wasn't - yet - at the point of being fatal).
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I'm posting what I consider to be a very informative site on the topic:
https://www.niddk.nih.gov...facts.aspx

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Please be kind - it IS only my speculation...It just seems to make sense to me, given the absence of anything more from those 'in the know'.

[Edited 8/7/16 15:34pm]

rogifan said:

So we've moved on from hip pain and AIDS to liver damage?

ROGIFAN SHE HAS A RIGHT TO HER OPINION GEEZ.YOUR REALLY RUDE 4 SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN HERE 2 MINUTES CHILL.

[Edited 8/7/16 15:41pm]

how do you suppose he got cirhossis.

Dibblekins said:

PeteSilas said:

do pills cause cirhossis?

Yes, hun - they can do.
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Here is the post I made in the other thread:
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My personal suspicion is that he started taking pain relief to deal with problems with his hips and knees sustained over years of frenetic dancing (some of his moves are suggestive of someone with hypermobility) and that this led to liver damage (cirrhosis).

.

I've been thinking about the following factors:

.

* I noticed he was starting to get a slightly yellowish hue to his skin which is indicative of liver problems;
.

*the low red blood cell count mentioned (another symptom of liver disease);

.

*the loss of appetite;

.

*the stomach problems / nausea reported by the chef;

.

*the weight loss;

.

*the lapse into unconsciousness on the 'plane (referred to in patients with liver damage as 'stupor');

.

*the fact that he was wearing clothes that completely covered him from head to toe (bruising is another symptom);

.

*the fact that the doctor was coming round on the morning of his death with blood test results (possibly to confirm end-stage liver disease - the maximum score on which indicates about 90 days left of life);

.

*P's hints in his songs and performances that he didn't have long left (cirrhosis is ultimately fatal, without, usually, a liver transplant);

.

*the fact that JWs won't allow organ transplants (a liver transplant being, really, the only potential solution - EDIT: another poster on here confirmed that JW teachings on this have changed and that organ transplants are now not prohibited but left up to the individual's conscience);

.

*the fact that the cause of death was cited as being Fentanyl toxicity - cirrhosis slows the liver’s ability to filter medications from the blood. When this slowdown occurs, medications act longer than expected and build up in the body;
.

* the fact that the family seem content to allow his cause of death to be listed purely as accidental Fentanyl overdose - because, actually, if liver damage makes one more susceptible to toxicity then, yes, the Fentanyl could WELL be the actual cause of death (perhaps any liver damage wasn't - yet - at the point of being fatal).
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I'm posting what I consider to be a very informative site on the topic:
https://www.niddk.nih.gov...facts.aspx

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Please be kind - it IS only my speculation...It just seems to make sense to me, given the absence of anything more from those 'in the know'.

[Edited 8/7/16 15:34pm]

This is an interesting point because i've always seen AA people who have liver or kidney disease end up with darkened skin.I always thought the yellowing of the skin was juandis sp

[Edited 8/7/16 15:50pm]

rogifan said:

So we've moved on from hip pain and AIDS to liver damage?

Liver damage is actually very, very common with anyone who has taken pain medication for a time - I know this because I run a women's health organisation (many of whom are given pain meds long-term and who are often not informed of the risks).

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You'd be surprised how quickly the liver can experience problems as a consequence of routinely available medication (Paracetamol in the UK; Tylenol in the US). If P had started taking Fentanyl then there's a good chance that he'd been on pain medication for a considerable period: Fentanyl tends to be a last resort, when less potent pain-killers are no longer cutting the mustard - and if you've reached that point, it's more likely than not that some liver damage will have been sustained.

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In fact, given that P's associates are saying he had been taking pain medication for a considerable time, I'd be more surprised if P DIDN'T have liver damage than if he did.

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

Does anyone have pictures.I saw one online but,wasn't sure if it was from that event.....

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

Awe that puts a smile on my face.Thanks for sharing kara

Dibblekins said:

Whether it was liver damage, or anything else, I've felt since 4/21 that there was something else going on and that P knew his time was limited. Why start writing the book? Why start doing just the piano shows? Why the unusal amount of candor - talking about the past so much, talking about Vanity, starting the PP show with the Batman theme, the first song he learned to play... Why reconnect with Jill, Susan Moonsie, Brenda, Apollonia in January? Why write a song like "Way Back Home" and explore the themes of "Art Official Age", the affirmations etc?

I just simply cannot imagine, say, 2006 Prince doing any of those things. He never even went to funerals of members of his own family - including his own mother! and yet this year he went to Vanity's funeral, a person who he hadn't seen in over two decades?

Could it be that his lack of motivation to address the painkiller addiction was because it was ultimately going to be pointless and he didn't have long left anyway? Maybe.

Bunsterdk said:

Dibblekins said:

Yes, hun - they can do.
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Here is the post I made in the other thread:
.

My personal suspicion is that he started taking pain relief to deal with problems with his hips and knees sustained over years of frenetic dancing (some of his moves are suggestive of someone with hypermobility) and that this led to liver damage (cirrhosis).

.

I've been thinking about the following factors:

.

* I noticed he was starting to get a slightly yellowish hue to his skin which is indicative of liver problems;
.

*the low red blood cell count mentioned (another symptom of liver disease);

.

*the loss of appetite;

.

*the stomach problems / nausea reported by the chef;

.

*the weight loss;

.

*the lapse into unconsciousness on the 'plane (referred to in patients with liver damage as 'stupor');

.

*the fact that he was wearing clothes that completely covered him from head to toe (bruising is another symptom);

.

*the fact that the doctor was coming round on the morning of his death with blood test results (possibly to confirm end-stage liver disease - the maximum score on which indicates about 90 days left of life);

.

*P's hints in his songs and performances that he didn't have long left (cirrhosis is ultimately fatal, without, usually, a liver transplant);

.

*the fact that JWs won't allow organ transplants (a liver transplant being, really, the only potential solution - EDIT: another poster on here confirmed that JW teachings on this have changed and that organ transplants are now not prohibited but left up to the individual's conscience);

.

*the fact that the cause of death was cited as being Fentanyl toxicity - cirrhosis slows the liver’s ability to filter medications from the blood. When this slowdown occurs, medications act longer than expected and build up in the body;
.

* the fact that the family seem content to allow his cause of death to be listed purely as accidental Fentanyl overdose - because, actually, if liver damage makes one more susceptible to toxicity then, yes, the Fentanyl could WELL be the actual cause of death (perhaps any liver damage wasn't - yet - at the point of being fatal).
.

I'm posting what I consider to be a very informative site on the topic:
https://www.niddk.nih.gov...facts.aspx

.

Please be kind - it IS only my speculation...It just seems to make sense to me, given the absence of anything more from those 'in the know'.

[Edited 8/7/16 15:34pm]

We already went over this in the other thread and if you do concern yourself with facts vs myth I would suggest you correct it before sharing the same misinformation again. JW can have a liver transplant if they want. It's up to each individual witness to make that decision. Those are the facts. IF Prince needed a liver transplant, it was up to him if he would accept one or not. I haven't checked your other "facts", so I won't comment on your theory.

Had you actually read the post above, you would have seen that I edited the point about JWs and organ transplants to reflect our discussion...So, before you comment on my 'misinformation', maybe you could have read the post first so as to do me the same service as I did you..? I've highlighted the edit for you above, just so you can see I took on board your comments.

Militant said:

Dibblekins said:

rogifan said:

Dibblekins said:

Liver damage is actually very, very common with anyone who has taken pain medication for a time - I know this because I run a women's health organisation (many of whom are given pain meds long-term and who are often not informed of the risks).

.

You'd be surprised how quickly the liver can experience problems as a consequence of routinely available medication (Paracetamol in the UK; Tylenol in the US). If P had started taking Fentanyl then there's a good chance that he'd been on pain medication for a considerable period: Fentanyl tends to be a last resort, when less potent pain-killers are no longer cutting the mustard - and if you've reached that point, it's more likely than not that some liver damage will have been sustained.

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In fact, given that P's associates are saying he had been taking pain medication for a considerable time, I'd be more surprised if P DIDN'T have liver damage than if he did.

Which associates have said he was taking pain medication? Dez Dickerson posted on FB that the Prince he knows didn't do drugs. One of his bodyguards (and I think his lawyer too) basically said the same thing. Sheila E. said she never even saw him take an aspirin. I've heard some of them talk about P being in pain or having hip issues but I'm not aware of anyone specifically saying he was using pain killers.

Tavis Smiley (sp?) said in his radio interview (it's on YT) that P had been taking pain meds for years. (I think!?! Now you've got me doubting myself, lol)!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVK-VYWmokU

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Lots of great stories in here re P and MJ - but the implication about P trying to manage pain is from 22.18 onwards.

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I think I've read it elsewhere too - but I can't swear to it.

Dibblekins said:

rogifan said:

Dibblekins said:

morningsong said: