ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

morningsong said:

Isn't there a thread for Vault releases? Or a thread for the holiday release?

I realize not much is happening here these days but c'mon, let's not glut this one up with personal request for releases.

I wanna be able to see how the courtroom drama stuff unfolds without digging through pages of opinion of unreleased material and whatnot. It's the only court thread around these parts.
Let us be.


Alley

Someone should send the mod's a note. The discussion about new releases amongst court proceedings is confusing.

The mod directed them here from another thread. Why? I haven't the foggiest. There's a Vault sticky by another mod just sitting up there.


Anyway...


Your opinion on today's filings?

morningsong said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

morningsong said: Someone should send the mod's a note. The discussion about new releases amongst court proceedings is confusing.

The mod directed them here from another thread. Why? I haven't the foggiest. There's a Vault sticky by another mod just sitting up there.


Anyway...


Your opinion on today's filings?

Do you think that the MOD's would let us start a new thread maybe under court proceedings????

zenarose said:

morningsong said:

The mod directed them here from another thread. Why? I haven't the foggiest. There's a Vault sticky by another mod just sitting up there.


Anyway...


Your opinion on today's filings?

Do you think that the MOD's would let us start a new thread maybe under court proceedings????

I don't think so, I think it would be directed back to here.

But who knows for sure?

Do you really think the Judge will let this go on for much longer? I mean he did let CW have a second DNA test. I'm glad I'm not the Judge. I would have them all kicked out of my courtroom. It is just ridiculous to me.

zenarose said:

Do you really think the Judge will let this go on for much longer? I mean he did let CW have a second DNA test. I'm glad I'm not the Judge. I would have them all kicked out of my courtroom. It is just ridiculous to me.

I think he has to tread lightly with Duane's child and grandchild. So that may take a while. I think he even had to allow CW a second opinion especially if they are going on their own dime, to avoid all suspensions of fraud or bad handling. But I think after this test Eide can just make this be done with CW. Duane's family is a whole other matter a lot of details that have to be considered, I think.

morningsong said:

zenarose said:

Do you really think the Judge will let this go on for much longer? I mean he did let CW have a second DNA test. I'm glad I'm not the Judge. I would have them all kicked out of my courtroom. It is just ridiculous to me.

I think he has to tread lightly with Duane's child and grandchild. So that may take a while. I think he even had to allow CW a second opinion especially if they are going on their own dime, to avoid all suspensions of fraud or bad handling. But I think after this test Eide can just make this be done with CW. Duane's family is a whole other matter a lot of details that have to be considered, I think.

You're right. It is a very slippery slope. I'm sure he is being xtra careful to avoid appeals and extended time. I guess that I was more convinced that because they aren't related and that Duane had not been included in JLN's estate, that the daughter and grandchild would not be heirs. This will take a while.......

morningsong said:

zenarose said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

morningsong said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

morningsong said:

Isn't there a thread for Vault releases? Or a thread for the holiday release?

I realize not much is happening here these days but c'mon, let's not glut this one up with personal request for releases.

I wanna be able to see how the courtroom drama stuff unfolds without digging through pages of opinion of unreleased material and whatnot. It's the only court thread around these parts.
Let us be.


Alley

Someone should send the mod's a note. The discussion about new releases amongst court proceedings is confusing.

The mod directed them here from another thread. Why? I haven't the foggiest. There's a Vault sticky by another mod just sitting up there.


Anyway...


Your opinion on today's filings?

I'm on vaca and haven't looked yet. I'm hiding my obsession from my family.

morningsong said:

zenarose said:

You're right. It is a very slippery slope. I'm sure he is being xtra careful to avoid appeals and extended time. I guess that I was more convinced that because they aren't related and that Duane had not been included in JLN's estate, that the daughter and grandchild would not be heirs. This will take a while.......

Just reading through their lawyers Discovery Plan, though I don't know what most of this means it looks like they're going to use every single shred of evidence they can find to show that Duane was a brother in an adoptive sense, and I don't see how the judge can deny them presenting their evidence regardless how mediocre, without looking particle. He did deny a blood test because two people were adopted therefore they couldn't be claimed as heirs even if they were biological children, stating adoption trumps biology by law. But then if John L. didn't legally adopt Duane maybe it is that cut and dry and puts an end to this discovery plan as frivolous. idk

I like your points and logic. I believe the Judge is erring on the side of caution. I imagine if Duane's family has a negative DNA test, they will appeal with the discovery plan as support. This will be interesting to see how it plays out. However, this will definitely hold things up. Unless the Judge allows them DNA testing and if they are excluded, then they can appeal with the new evidence, then the Judge will rule on the evidence and not the DNA? It is messy and complicated.

nelcp777 said:

morningsong said:

zenarose said: Just reading through their lawyers Discovery Plan, though I don't know what most of this means it looks like they're going to use every single shred of evidence they can find to show that Duane was a brother in an adoptive sense, and I don't see how the judge can deny them presenting their evidence regardless how mediocre, without looking particle. He did deny a blood test because two people were adopted therefore they couldn't be claimed as heirs even if they were biological children, stating adoption trumps biology by law. But then if John L. didn't legally adopt Duane maybe it is that cut and dry and puts an end to this discovery plan as frivolous. idk

I like your points and logic. I believe the Judge is erring on the side of caution. I imagine if Duane's family has a negative DNA test, they will appeal with the discovery plan as support. This will be interesting to see how it plays out. However, this will definitely hold things up. Unless the Judge allows them DNA testing and if they are excluded, then they can appeal with the new evidence, then the Judge will rule on the evidence and not the DNA? It is messy and complicated.

It'll still take a while. The spiritual wife has to be dealt with, I guess that's later this week or next week. Then CW, whatever those results turn out to be, will be dealt with a couple of weeks down the road. It seem Bremer's has requested to extend their stay so it looks like they're preparing to deal with all of this line by line.

morningsong said:

nelcp777 said:

I like your points and logic. I believe the Judge is erring on the side of caution. I imagine if Duane's family has a negative DNA test, they will appeal with the discovery plan as support. This will be interesting to see how it plays out. However, this will definitely hold things up. Unless the Judge allows them DNA testing and if they are excluded, then they can appeal with the new evidence, then the Judge will rule on the evidence and not the DNA? It is messy and complicated.

It'll still take a while. The spiritual wife has to be dealt with, I guess that's later this week or next week. Then CW, whatever those results turn out to be, will be dealt with a couple of weeks down the road. It seem Bremer's has requested to extend their stay so it looks like they're preparing to deal with all of this line by line.

I agree, it will take some time. Duane's situation will be interesting to see/hear. Do you think Bremer will get 6 month extensions till heirs are determined?

I still would like to know, once heirs are determined, will the public have the same access to the estate currently, or does the estate and affairs become private?

I'm all about hard and fast legal rules. If they are not found to be blood relations, then I think they should be excluded. Period. To do otherwise will lead to all sorts of other bs shenanigans and further hold up of estate resolution. If Duane is not blood, then the answer should be no.

nelcp777 said:

morningsong said:

It'll still take a while. The spiritual wife has to be dealt with, I guess that's later this week or next week. Then CW, whatever those results turn out to be, will be dealt with a couple of weeks down the road. It seem Bremer's has requested to extend their stay so it looks like they're preparing to deal with all of this line by line.

I agree, it will take some time. Duane's situation will be interesting to see/hear. Do you think Bremer will get 6 month extensions till heirs are determined?

I still would like to know, once heirs are determined, will the public have the same access to the estate currently, or does the estate and affairs become private?

Do you mean, do we get to know how everything is divided? That I'm not sure of. I think it was public how John Ls property was divided, the amount and how it was divided among 4(?) of the siblings since Prince and Tyka bowed out of their share, but Prince's is far more complicated and ongoing. I think they could request the records to be sealed, maybe they don't want to do that, most of this has been open so far. Who knows?

Mumio said:

morningsong said:

Now all our legal experts have disappeared. Great. So is this saying there has to be a revised discovery plan submitted today? Or is a judgement about the discovery plan submitted on the 26th being judged on today? Do you think Carlin is basically some kind of media link, since sealed information has to be given to potential heirs, so "they" are trying to keep him in play for as long as possible to leak information? Same with the spiritual wife?

On the 29th, the Judge unsealed the "business" info pertaining to the opening of PP, ect. Info that Bremer does not want known to the public??? Perhaps Bremer wants it all kept private and have filed to re-seal??

zenarose said:

morningsong said:

Now all our legal experts have disappeared. Great. So is this saying there has to be a revised discovery plan submitted today? Or is a judgement about the discovery plan submitted on the 26th being judged on today? Do you think Carlin is basically some kind of media link, since sealed information has to be given to potential heirs, so "they" are trying to keep him in play for as long as possible to leak information? Same with the spiritual wife?

On the 29th, the Judge unsealed the "business" info pertaining to the opening of PP, ect. Info that Bremer does not want known to the public??? Perhaps Bremer wants it all kept private and have filed to re-seal??

It looks like they are asking for permission Attornies to be paid?? LOL I'm no legal expert, I'm learning from you and Isaidlifeisjustagame. Yall are great!!

zenarose said:

zenarose said:

On the 29th, the Judge unsealed the "business" info pertaining to the opening of PP, ect. Info that Bremer does not want known to the public??? Perhaps Bremer wants it all kept private and have filed to re-seal??

It looks like they are asking for permission Attornies to be paid?? LOL I'm no legal expert, I'm learning from you and Isaidlifeisjustagame. Yall are great!!

IDK, but I'm under the impression that some things are sealed for a certain length of time before being opened to the public such as what happened with PP. They did a pretty good job about keeping that information sealed. All sealed information has to go to potential heirs, which is why I'm wondering if that's the reason certain people are trying to hanging on and make up silly reasons to be considered as potential heirs, that way they get certain sealed information. A paid shill.

Bremer's requested an extension for their services since I think they were only "hired" until October. There may be several other sealed deals going on since I see they have it laid out what information is to goes to whom and how things are to be handled.

morningsong said:

zenarose said:

It looks like they are asking for permission Attornies to be paid?? LOL I'm no legal expert, I'm learning from you and Isaidlifeisjustagame. Yall are great!!

IDK, but I'm under the impression that some things are sealed for a certain length of time before being opened to the public such as what happened with PP. They did a pretty good job about keeping that information sealed. All sealed information has to go to potential heirs, which is why I'm wondering if that's the reason certain people are trying to hanging on and make up silly reasons to be considered as potential heirs, that way they get certain sealed information. A paid shill.

Bremer's requested an extension for their services since I think they were only "hired" until October. There may be several other sealed deals going on since I see they have it laid out what information is to goes to whom and how things are to be handled.

With Duane's family listing the discovery schedule, I would imagine Bremer will stay for a little longer since the heirs will not be determined till after January (when the last date of submission on the discovery schedule).

I interpreted that Bremer is asking for payment to be made, pending any objections from the siblings. Since the money will come from the estate, consideration must be given to the siblings before payment is made.

In regards to the sealed documents, I am inclined to believe a lot may be sealed and once agreement is made with the potential heirs, PP as an example, there is not a need to remain sealed since it has become public knowledge. I guess the arguement to seal deals is to ensure the best deal can be made for the estate.

I agree about your analysis on Carlin and Spirtual Girl, even Dixon, fighting to remain considered potential heirs keeps them in the inner loop. Sad, screw it, pathetic. They should stop with the nonsense, leave the family alone and let the estate settle in a timely manner.

nelcp777 said:

laurarichardson said:

nelcp777 said:

With Duane's family listing the discovery schedule, I would imagine Bremer will stay for a little longer since the heirs will not be determined till after January (when the last date of submission on the discovery schedule).

I interpreted that Bremer is asking for payment to be made, pending any objections from the siblings. Since the money will come from the estate, consideration must be given to the siblings before payment is made.

In regards to the sealed documents, I am inclined to believe a lot may be sealed and once agreement is made with the potential heirs, PP as an example, there is not a need to remain sealed since it has become public knowledge. I guess the arguement to seal deals is to ensure the best deal can be made for the estate.

I agree about your analysis on Carlin and Spirtual Girl, even Dixon, fighting to remain considered potential heirs keeps them in the inner loop. Sad, screw it, pathetic. They should stop with the nonsense, leave the family alone and let the estate settle in a timely manner.

-/ Can't the judge stop them from filing the same claim over and over again with no proof. Most are mentally ill with attorney's taking advantage or scam artist.

Regarding the bolded above,,, Does that mean Tyka'nem want get a check until January 2017 or evern later than that?

Astasheiks said:

laurarichardson said:

nelcp777 said: -/ Can't the judge stop them from filing the same claim over and over again with no proof. Most are mentally ill with attorney's taking advantage or scam artist.

Regarding the bolded above,,, Does that mean Tyka'nem want get a check until January 2017 or evern later than that?

No one gets anything until the Estate is settled, if Duane's heirs keep things going, then it'll go past January 2017, and who knows what other things are going on within sealed agreements.

That's why having a Will is so much better!!!

Good read on the status of Brianna and VN's claim. Despite the nature of the relationship between John L., Duane Sr. and Prince, DNA results trump.

http://www.mncourts.gov/m...nd-V-N.pdf

Misslink88 said:

Good read on the status of Brianna and VN's claim. Despite the nature of the relationship between John L., Duane Sr. and Prince, DNA results trump.

http://www.mncourts.gov/m...nd-V-N.pdf

That was fast.

morningsong said:

Misslink88 said:

Good read on the status of Brianna and VN's claim. Despite the nature of the relationship between John L., Duane Sr. and Prince, DNA results trump.

http://www.mncourts.gov/m...nd-V-N.pdf

That was fast.

The judge still has to rule, but Bremer has made a good argument.

Misslink88 said:

Vee0319 said:

Misslink88 said:

The judge still has to rule, but Bremer has made a good argument.

I am very suspicious that Brianna will not have the court ordered DNA test. She and her family probabably know who Duane's real daddy is. But maybe she isn't even Duane's biological daughter. They cannot really prove that though.

If I'm reading the filings correctly, they are now saying they won't undergo DNA testing because they pretty much know Duane is not John L.'s son but they want to be recognized as heirs because John L. behaved as though he were. Their argument is that JL and Duane had a "parent/child" relationship. Bremer is stating Duane was not adopted by JL, therefore it would be treated as a "foster" relationship, entitling them to nothing according to the most recent MN Law passed in 2010. That is why they are seeking the Court's direction in how to proceed with the 9 MONTH schedule of Discovery Brianna's counsel has proposed to prove that John L. treated him as a son and Prince treated his as a step-brother.

Astasheiks said: