rainbowchild said:

leadline said:

I would burn my b&w copy immediately if a color version came out, its a travesty to watch that movie in black and white imo.

Prince was WRONG to release this in black and white, from a commercial and an asthetic perspective.

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You're wrong for thinking "Prince is wrong" for releasing it in B&W.

Thanks, I never thought of it that way.

dayzofwyld said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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Oh for crying out loud, Uptown debunked this "color UTCM" nonsense twenty years ago.

Actually it's true...friend of mine knows the producer (Paul Hitchcock) and he confirmed it was shot in colour.

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Yeah, sure. And somehow this has never leaked anywhere?

BartVanHemelen said:

dance4me3121 said:

Looks like amazon is also selling the prince movies individually Purple Rain https://www.amazon.com/gp...7ZSQ5TQPYA Under the cherry moon https://www.amazon.com/gp...2?pi=SY115 Graffiti Bridge https://www.amazon.com/gp...DE9M42R0BJ [Edited 8/8/16 22:13pm] [Edited 8/8/16 22:15pm]

Yes, this was noted previously:

PhilG said:

According to the press release, the individual releases will be in Purple cases, while supplies last.

While I like the purple Amaray cases, I'll get the collection instead.

BartVanHemelen said:

dayzofwyld said:

Actually it's true...friend of mine knows the producer (Paul Hitchcock) and he confirmed it was shot in colour.

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Yeah, sure. And somehow this has never leaked anywhere?

You really are such hard work....

If you'd like to read the Mr Hitchcock's book...all is explained

Does anybody know if the 3 disc set has the 3 individual purple Amaray cases in it or is it a digi-pak?

I want to pre-order them but need to know this first as if the set has the cases in I'm gonna buy 2!!!

jjam said:

This collection was not on the Warners release schedule previous to his passing.

And that says what?!?

We shouldn't upgrade our collections because WB is cashing in? Gimme a break!

jjam said:

Er, calm down. Did I make a statement to that effect? No. People asked whether it was scheduled, I'm merely providing an answer.

Cool. Sorry. My bad.

That said. Why else would people ask? It's not relevent unless one wants to bash WB for cashing in. No?

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Anybody who can't tell the difference needs to get their eyes checked or fix the settings on their tv

https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&a=0&d1=8175&d2=8174&s1=77988&s2=77972&i=4&l=0

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JAYJOE said:

Does anybody know if the 3 disc set has the 3 individual purple Amaray cases in it or is it a digi-pak?

I'd like an answer to this, as well. The mock-up sort of looks like a digipack, but it could also be just a cardboard sleeve around the three standard cases.

http://variety.com/1985/f...200426728/

In Under the Cherry Moon, Prince tries to direct too, giving himself a lot of closeups kissing but hardly any of him singing. What is left is a trite story about a rich girl and a poor musician (Prince) that's set on the Riviera and shot in, of all things, black and white.

ufoclub said:

dayzofwyld said:

ufoclub said:

http://variety.com/1985/f...200426728/

In Under the Cherry Moon, Prince tries to direct too, giving himself a lot of closeups kissing but hardly any of him singing. What is left is a trite story about a rich girl and a poor musician (Prince) that's set on the Riviera and shot in, of all things, black and white.

In Under the Cherry Moon, Prince tries to direct too, giving himself a lot of closeups kissing but hardly any of him singing. What is left is a trite story about a rich girl and a poor musician (Prince) that’s set on the Riviera and shot in, of all things, black and white.

Before shooting began, Prince reportedly fired director Mary Lambert (who has retained the dubious distinction of having credit as ‘creative consultant’ and took over the set.

Story has less plot than the average music video, featuring Prince as a pianist at a Nice hotel and Revolution back-up singer, Jerome Benton, as his friend Tricky. After a half-hearted rendezvous with a wealthy woman (Francesca Annis), Prince sets his sights on meeting a young, wealthy woman.

Through the newspaper, he finds out that young, beautiful Mary Sharon (Kristin Scott Thomas) is about to turn 21 and come into her $50 million trust fund. He meets her, they fall in love, and Dad (Steven Berkoff) gets his thugs to rid his sheltered daughter of Prince.

Film was shot in color (at the insistence of Warner Bros.) with prints in black and white (at the insistence of Prince) on location in Nice, and comes out looking about as flat and uninteresting as a newsreel from the 1930s about vacationing in the south of France.

Under the Cherry Moon

Production

Warner. Director Prince; Producer Robert Cavallo, Joseph Ruffalo, Steven Fargnoli; Screenplay Becky Johnston; Camera Michael Ballhaus; Editor Eva Gardos; Music Clare Fischer; Art Director Richard Sylbert

Crew

(B&W) Available on VHS, DVD. Extract of a review from 1986. Running time: 98 MIN.

With

Prince Steven Berkoff Francesca Annis Kristin Scott Thomas Jerome Benton Alexandra Stewart

That is also incorrect. Prince wanted it shot in colour and converted to B & W. He even wanted the colour rushes processed overnight and sent back out to Nice the next day..in B & W...you can only imagine the cost Paul Hitchcock - A Life Behind The Scenes - From Pinewood To Hollywood

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It sounds like what you're saying and what the article says are the same thing. Prince decided to post process the footage into Black and White (which back then could result in worse quality than actually using B&W film).

The only reason to shoot in color and then process to B&W would be as insurance in case someone changed their mind or Warners pulled a power play to insist it be in color. That is a top notch cinematographer, and he would have been pushed to shoot in color if the end result was to be B&W. He wouldn't want his shots to look grayed out and murky whcih can happen by creating B&W in post back in the chemical film days.

This back and forth is too much. Surely a source could be found to put this to rest? Regardless how it was filmed the movie works in B&W. If a color version exists, the investment that it would take for the studio to clean it up for an HD master is probably more than the potential profits such a release would bring. If we were talking about a movie with a bigger cult-audience, a niche label like SHOUT Factory might invest in that to put out a limited edition collector's edition. Unfortunately UTCM isn't even embraced by all Prince fans so it's unlikely WB will go to that kind of effort. We're probably lucky they included the music videos & trailers for the DVD releases of UTCM & GB and that's probably the most we'll ever see from special features.

I like Cherry Moon in B&W anyway. A color version would just be an interesting alternative & a novelty so, my interest in this debate is waning. It would nice though to have the final word does a color version exist or not just to end the debate.

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Strive said:

Anybody who can't tell the difference needs to get their eyes checked or fix the settings on their tv

https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&a=0&d1=8175&d2=8174&s1=77988&s2=77972&i=4&l=0

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Thanks for the link. Interesting. I'm just hoping it will look good run through a projector

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ufoclub said:

dayzofwyld said:

ufoclub said: That is also incorrect. Prince wanted it shot in colour and converted to B & W. He even wanted the colour rushes processed overnight and sent back out to Nice the next day..in B & W...you can only imagine the cost Paul Hitchcock - A Life Behind The Scenes - From Pinewood To Hollywood

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It sounds like what you're saying and what the article says are the same thing. Prince decided to post process the footage into Black and White (which back then could result in worse quality than actually using B&W film).

The only reason to shoot in color and then process to B&W would be as insurance in case someone changed their mind or Warners pulled a power play to insist it be in color. That is a top notch cinematographer, and he would have been pushed to shoot in color if the end result was to be B&W. He wouldn't want his shots to look grayed out and murky whcih can happen by creating B&W in post back in the chemical film days.

I think the difference in opinion here is whose idea was it to shoot a black and white movie in color in the first place? Prince's or Warner Bros'?

PhilG said:

sexton said:

I still don't think that UTCM was that bad, I always will feel that Prince could have been a fine filmaker if he'd just slowed down a little bit and accepted help from experts. I didn't know it until I read the Alan Light book but Prince was so on top of his game that he would submit dialogue which took place in Purple Rain, made it sound like he knew what would work even better than what was in the script. His acting was kinda iffy in those days but I believe he got more comfortable the longer he was in the limelight.

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sexton said:

ufoclub said:

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It sounds like what you're saying and what the article says are the same thing. Prince decided to post process the footage into Black and White (which back then could result in worse quality than actually using B&W film).

The only reason to shoot in color and then process to B&W would be as insurance in case someone changed their mind or Warners pulled a power play to insist it be in color. That is a top notch cinematographer, and he would have been pushed to shoot in color if the end result was to be B&W. He wouldn't want his shots to look grayed out and murky whcih can happen by creating B&W in post back in the chemical film days.

I think the difference in opinion here is whose idea was it to shoot a black and white movie in color in the first place? Prince's or Warner Bros'?

Prince..as I said...my source being the producer...Paul Hitchcock.

jayspud said:

Strive said:

Anybody who can't tell the difference needs to get their eyes checked or fix the settings on their tv

https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&a=0&d1=8175&d2=8174&s1=77988&s2=77972&i=4&l=0

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Thanks for the link. Interesting. I'm just hoping it will look good run through a projector

The blu-ray we have now looks great through my projector! Particularly those POV shots of the road ahead during 'Take Me With U'. That said, some of the shots are pretty grainy for all the night shooting and the stock used, so it's a mixed bag. Nothing looks bad though, just the graininess varies throughout.

Strive said:

Anybody who can't tell the difference needs to get their eyes checked or fix the settings on their tv

https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&a=0&d1=8175&d2=8174&s1=77988&s2=77972&i=4&l=0

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Thanks.

So no PCM audio for a MUSIC film....

dayzofwyld said:

sexton said:

I think the difference in opinion here is whose idea was it to shoot a black and white movie in color in the first place? Prince's or Warner Bros'?

Prince..as I said...my source being the producer...Paul Hitchcock.

Paul Hitchcock is not listed as having anything to do with Under the Cherry Moon, do you mean that he knew the producer? It looks like back then he was working in film production offices as an executive. In England. So maybe he was uncredited?

But I'm not sure if you know about the filmnaking process, but if a film is intended to be in Black and White, they shoot in black and white period. the only reason to shoot in color and then plan to process in black and white is if someone wants an option for color. They avoid this because of the often poorquality of such a conversion. It sounds like a compromise was reached, because the DP would not have wanted to shoot in color and then process in black and white, because lighting for the two is completely different, in fact costume colors are different if the intention is black and white, even makeup is different. It's because certain shades of color look darker or more flat gray in black and white.

If they shot Under the Cherry Moon with color film, then the negative is color period. They would have printed black and white dailies to please Prince, but back at the lab they had the color negative. Now they could have edited a black and white workprint, but when they went back to conform the negative they would have been in fact conforming the color negative. So there could very well have been a color edit of the negative. But they don't play the negative. At that point to please Prince they must have simply struck black and white positive prints.

Being that Prince had made them a lot of money with Purple Rain, I bet Warners handled Under the Cherry Moon with velvet gloves, meaning they took care of the negative back then. Of course after Moon sunk, maybe they were more careless and didn't care about the negative. But if they did care for it, that color negative which should have been conformed is still in storage. And a color print could be made from it, but they would have to redo titles and maybe transitions. But those things are now easy in the digital age.

The only one who would really know the answer to all this is the Director of Photography.

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ufoclub said:

dayzofwyld said:

ufoclub said: That is also incorrect. Prince wanted it shot in colour and converted to B & W. He even wanted the colour rushes processed overnight and sent back out to Nice the next day..in B & W...you can only imagine the cost Paul Hitchcock - A Life Behind The Scenes - From Pinewood To Hollywood

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It sounds like what you're saying and what the article says are the same thing. Prince decided to post process the footage into Black and White (which back then could result in worse quality than actually using B&W film).

The only reason to shoot in color and then process to B&W would be as insurance in case someone changed their mind or Warners pulled a power play to insist it be in color. That is a top notch cinematographer, and he would have been pushed to shoot in color if the end result was to be B&W. He wouldn't want his shots to look grayed out and murky whcih can happen by creating B&W in post back in the chemical film days.

The thing is, you light differently depending on whether you're shooting in black & white or colour. So it's a bad idea to make the change in post.

leecaldon said:

ufoclub said:

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It sounds like what you're saying and what the article says are the same thing. Prince decided to post process the footage into Black and White (which back then could result in worse quality than actually using B&W film).

The only reason to shoot in color and then process to B&W would be as insurance in case someone changed their mind or Warners pulled a power play to insist it be in color. That is a top notch cinematographer, and he would have been pushed to shoot in color if the end result was to be B&W. He wouldn't want his shots to look grayed out and murky whcih can happen by creating B&W in post back in the chemical film days.

The thing is, you light differently depending on whether you're shooting in black & white or colour. So it's a bad idea to make the change in post.

Aren't you saying the same thing I did? this thread is confusing.