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"I made a lot of music; It should still stay in my family."

I stumbled across this "transcript" from a little speech Prince made after he sang Purple Rain at a concert from November 2000 in Philadelphia.

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Someone took the time to type this out in the comments. I read this transcript as I listened to his speech and it's very accurate to what he said.

.

It made me happy to hear that he felt that his music should "stay in his family." Granted, he may have been referring to his future unborn children but nevertheless, he did say "family," which could be his siblings as well. He specifically addresses this issue at 1:34:15 in his speech.

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TRANSCRIPT

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1:29:55 Thank you so much. Once again, we'd like to thank you for coming to our rehearsal .. now, last night (can you turn this up, Horace) .. last night we played DC, and I'll talk to y'all a little bit about the trouble that they're having with their little electoral process. Pretty much all of us in the building were in agreement that we have the government we deserve. We are a divided people, thus our government is divided.

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1:30:55 And it's very interesting, there are young, old, black, white, male, female, and we all just grooving, we are not divided in this room .. and this lets me know, this lets me know the power of music.

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1:31:17 Now I do not mean to offend anybody when I say that when I hear corporate leaders, AOL, Time-Warner, Bertelsmann, ____ , Napster .. when I hear them on television talking about music, it ails me.

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1:31:48 Ain't nary somebody at any one of them corporations a musician. If you speak about music, you speak about me and my people .. and I don't mean to offend anybody, but I do know that this thing called Napster just sold out to Bertelsmann for 50 million dollars, and I ain't heard him sing ____ .

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1:32:26 He's 20 years old, they tell me, ain't never made no music, he sells it, and he got 50 million dollars .. when will we be paid? Now .. y'all on my favorite subject now. There is the truth, and then there is everything else. When you hear the words "intellectual property", it's cold, but your future. What that means .. we are here to protect your intellectual property.

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1:33:23 What I hear is, "We are here to protect your future", and I say "You know what? I don't need you to protect my future .. I'll protect my future. You know what? Give me what I made back to me, so that I can hand something to my children."

.

1:33:44 Najee, he's made many records .. I asked him today, I said "What are you going to give to your children?" He can't - yeah, music lessons, she said it - he should be able to hand the master recordings to his children so that they have ____ .. it's called the dynasty, it should stay in the family.

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1:34:15 That's how we can fix our communities, right? Jimi Hendrix made a lot of music, it should stay in his family. Miles Davis made a lot of music, you can go in the music store and still find Miles Davis records, it should stay in his family. I made a lot of music .. it should still stay in my family. When will we be paid? I ain't trying to preach, I'm just trying to let y'all know something.

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1:34:55 BET .. it sold out, it's gone, it's gone, sold it out. Viacom now owns your network, your only network, it ain't like you got two .. Paul Mooney said "UPN: you pick a nigger." He said it, I didn't .. why y'all laughing though?

.

1:35:36 It's sad. Bamboozled .. check it out. This is only in the theater 45 minutes, alright? It's because you don't own the theater, you don't own one theater .. give Magic Johnson some props because he's trying, y'know what I mean? You own theaters, you can put in the theater what you want to see.

.

1:36:06 This next tune is about what we're talking about .. 'When Will We B Paid'? It was given to me by Mavis Staples, she did it in the movie 'Soul To Soul' and I saw the movie and it inspired me, for these were the days when music was music and radio stations belonged to us .. in Minnesota we have different music so we have different dances, in Chicago they have different music so we have different dances, in DC and Philly y'all have your thing, we came out with music that inspired everybody, but now we got national playlists that go over and everybody sounds alike.

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1:36:48 And what you will notice, is I ain't on the radio no more .. and there's a reason for that. I ain't signed up to no corporate structure. So I ain't in it for the records anymore, I get it where I can fit in but, this is what that song's about. If you want to join in on the chorus if you're feeling it, please do .. come on now.

[Edited 7/30/16 5:44am]

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Reply #1 posted 07/30/16 8:08am

bashraka

makeadifference said:

I stumbled across this "transcript" from a little speech Prince made after he sang Purple Rain at a concert from November 2000 in Philadelphia.

.

Someone took the time to type this out in the comments. I read this transcript as I listened to his speech and it's very accurate to what he said.

.

It made me happy to hear that he felt that his music should "stay in his family." Granted, he may have been referring to his future unborn children but nevertheless, he did say "family," which could be his siblings as well. He specifically addresses this issue at 1:34:15 in his speech.

.

TRANSCRIPT

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1:29:55 Thank you so much. Once again, we'd like to thank you for coming to our rehearsal .. now, last night (can you turn this up, Horace) .. last night we played DC, and I'll talk to y'all a little bit about the trouble that they're having with their little electoral process. Pretty much all of us in the building were in agreement that we have the government we deserve. We are a divided people, thus our government is divided.

.

1:30:55 And it's very interesting, there are young, old, black, white, male, female, and we all just grooving, we are not divided in this room .. and this lets me know, this lets me know the power of music.

.

1:31:17 Now I do not mean to offend anybody when I say that when I hear corporate leaders, AOL, Time-Warner, Bertelsmann, ____ , Napster .. when I hear them on television talking about music, it ails me.

.

1:31:48 Ain't nary somebody at any one of them corporations a musician. If you speak about music, you speak about me and my people .. and I don't mean to offend anybody, but I do know that this thing called Napster just sold out to Bertelsmann for 50 million dollars, and I ain't heard him sing ____ .

.

1:32:26 He's 20 years old, they tell me, ain't never made no music, he sells it, and he got 50 million dollars .. when will we be paid? Now .. y'all on my favorite subject now. There is the truth, and then there is everything else. When you hear the words "intellectual property", it's cold, but your future. What that means .. we are here to protect your intellectual property.

.

1:33:23 What I hear is, "We are here to protect your future", and I say "You know what? I don't need you to protect my future .. I'll protect my future. You know what? Give me what I made back to me, so that I can hand something to my children."

.

1:33:44 Najee, he's made many records .. I asked him today, I said "What are you going to give to your children?" He can't - yeah, music lessons, she said it - he should be able to hand the master recordings to his children so that they have ____ .. it's called the dynasty, it should stay in the family.

.

1:34:15 That's how we can fix our communities, right? Jimi Hendrix made a lot of music, it should stay in his family. Miles Davis made a lot of music, you can go in the music store and still find Miles Davis records, it should stay in his family. I made a lot of music .. it should still stay in my family. When will we be paid? I ain't trying to preach, I'm just trying to let y'all know something.

.

1:34:55 BET .. it sold out, it's gone, it's gone, sold it out. Viacom now owns your network, your only network, it ain't like you got two .. Paul Mooney said "UPN: you pick a nigger." He said it, I didn't .. why y'all laughing though?

.

1:35:36 It's sad. Bamboozled .. check it out. This is only in the theater 45 minutes, alright? It's because you don't own the theater, you don't own one theater .. give Magic Johnson some props because he's trying, y'know what I mean? You own theaters, you can put in the theater what you want to see.

.

1:36:06 This next tune is about what we're talking about .. 'When Will We B Paid'? It was given to me by Mavis Staples, she did it in the movie 'Soul To Soul' and I saw the movie and it inspired me, for these were the days when music was music and radio stations belonged to us .. in Minnesota we have different music so we have different dances, in Chicago they have different music so we have different dances, in DC and Philly y'all have your thing, we came out with music that inspired everybody, but now we got national playlists that go over and everybody sounds alike.

.

1:36:48 And what you will notice, is I ain't on the radio no more .. and there's a reason for that. I ain't signed up to no corporate structure. So I ain't in it for the records anymore, I get it where I can fit in but, this is what that song's about. If you want to join in on the chorus if you're feeling it, please do .. come on now.

[Edited 7/30/16 5:44am]

I've had this bootleg for years. This was when Prince was speaking over syntherizer block chords of the "Purple Rain" coda and right before he sang his cover of "When Will We Be Paid". "I made a lot of music; it should stay in the family", should be respected by Prince fans. I'm sick of so many fans questioning the motives of the siblings and saying outright they don't deserve to inherit Prince's assets. None of us fans knew him before he was famous. Before he was Prince the superstar, he was their brother first.

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Reply #2 posted 07/30/16 8:22am

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To be fair, he said this at a time when he thought he might still have a wife and kids one day.

"That's when stars collide. When there's space for what u want, and ur heart is open wide."
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Reply #3 posted 07/30/16 8:40am

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I was there!
What are you outraged about today? CNN has not told you yet?
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Reply #4 posted 07/30/16 8:50am

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I definitely agree with all he said.
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Reply #5 posted 07/30/16 9:32am

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makeadifference said:

1:33:44 Najee, he's made many records .. I asked him today, I said "What are you going to give to your children?" He can't - yeah, music lessons, she said it - he should be able to hand the master recordings to his children so that they have ____ .. it's called the dynasty, it should stay in the family.

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1:34:15 That's how we can fix our communities, right? Jimi Hendrix made a lot of music, it should stay in his family. Miles Davis made a lot of music, you can go in the music store and still find Miles Davis records, it should stay in his family. I made a lot of music .. it should still stay in my family. When will we be paid? I ain't trying to preach, I'm just trying to let y'all know something.[Edited 7/30/16 5:44am]

Wasn't this a speech about owning your own master recordings? I think you have taken this qoute out of context, makeadifference smile

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Reply #6 posted 07/30/16 9:50am

jcurley

makeadifference said:

I stumbled across this "transcript" from a little speech Prince made after he sang Purple Rain at a concert from November 2000 in Philadelphia.


.


Someone took the time to type this out in the comments. I read this transcript as I listened to his speech and it's very accurate to what he said.


.


It made me happy to hear that he felt that his music should "stay in his family." Granted, he may have been referring to his future unborn children but nevertheless, he did say "family," which could be his siblings as well. He specifically addresses this issue at 1:34:15 in his speech.


.


TRANSCRIPT


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1:29:55 Thank you so much. Once again, we'd like to thank you for coming to our rehearsal .. now, last night (can you turn this up, Horace) .. last night we played DC, and I'll talk to y'all a little bit about the trouble that they're having with their little electoral process. Pretty much all of us in the building were in agreement that we have the government we deserve. We are a divided people, thus our government is divided.


.


1:30:55 And it's very interesting, there are young, old, black, white, male, female, and we all just grooving, we are not divided in this room .. and this lets me know, this lets me know the power of music.


.


1:31:17 Now I do not mean to offend anybody when I say that when I hear corporate leaders, AOL, Time-Warner, Bertelsmann, ____ , Napster .. when I hear them on television talking about music, it ails me.


.


1:31:48 Ain't nary somebody at any one of them corporations a musician. If you speak about music, you speak about me and my people .. and I don't mean to offend anybody, but I do know that this thing called Napster just sold out to Bertelsmann for 50 million dollars, and I ain't heard him sing ____ .


.


1:32:26 He's 20 years old, they tell me, ain't never made no music, he sells it, and he got 50 million dollars .. when will we be paid? Now .. y'all on my favorite subject now. There is the truth, and then there is everything else. When you hear the words "intellectual property", it's cold, but your future. What that means .. we are here to protect your intellectual property.


.


1:33:23 What I hear is, "We are here to protect your future", and I say "You know what? I don't need you to protect my future .. I'll protect my future. You know what? Give me what I made back to me, so that I can hand something to my children."


.


1:33:44 Najee, he's made many records .. I asked him today, I said "What are you going to give to your children?" He can't - yeah, music lessons, she said it - he should be able to hand the master recordings to his children so that they have ____ .. it's called the dynasty, it should stay in the family.


.


1:34:15 That's how we can fix our communities, right? Jimi Hendrix made a lot of music, it should stay in his family. Miles Davis made a lot of music, you can go in the music store and still find Miles Davis records, it should stay in his family. I made a lot of music .. it should still stay in my family. When will we be paid? I ain't trying to preach, I'm just trying to let y'all know something.


.


1:34:55 BET .. it sold out, it's gone, it's gone, sold it out. Viacom now owns your network, your only network, it ain't like you got two .. Paul Mooney said "UPN: you pick a nigger." He said it, I didn't .. why y'all laughing though?


.


1:35:36 It's sad. Bamboozled .. check it out. This is only in the theater 45 minutes, alright? It's because you don't own the theater, you don't own one theater .. give Magic Johnson some props because he's trying, y'know what I mean? You own theaters, you can put in the theater what you want to see.


.


1:36:06 This next tune is about what we're talking about .. 'When Will We B Paid'? It was given to me by Mavis Staples, she did it in the movie 'Soul To Soul' and I saw the movie and it inspired me, for these were the days when music was music and radio stations belonged to us .. in Minnesota we have different music so we have different dances, in Chicago they have different music so we have different dances, in DC and Philly y'all have your thing, we came out with music that inspired everybody, but now we got national playlists that go over and everybody sounds alike.


.


1:36:48 And what you will notice, is I ain't on the radio no more .. and there's a reason for that. I ain't signed up to no corporate structure. So I ain't in it for the records anymore, I get it where I can fit in but, this is what that song's about. If you want to join in on the chorus if you're feeling it, please do .. come on now.



[Edited 7/30/16 5:44am]


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Reply #7 posted 07/30/16 10:38am

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jcurley said:

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Speak on your own family! no no no! shrug

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Reply #8 posted 07/30/16 10:46am

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SchlomoThaHomo said:

To be fair, he said this at a time when he thought he might still have a wife and kids one day.

Exactly what I was thinking - especially since he specifically talks about leaving master recordings to his children. If he was concerned about Tyka et. al. getting his music he would have made sure to lock it down that way. There wouldn't be any question. As it is, I think it's almost malpractice on the part of his attorney's not to insist he have a will.

[Edited 7/30/16 10:51am]

[Edited 7/30/16 10:54am]

"What a thing to have been alive while Prince was making music." - James Corden
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Reply #9 posted 07/30/16 11:05am

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Thanks to the OP for posting this, very interesting. And while I'm not sure I would want things I said 16 years ago to be used as "evidence" this is what he said about protecting his legacy for his children, not his siblings. And of course, he never got around to "protecting his future" either - maybe because he didn't have any living children? I don't know.

...."What I hear is, "We are here to protect your future", and I say "You know what? I don't need you to protect my future .. I'll protect my future. You know what? Give me what I made back to me, so that I can hand something to my children."


"What a thing to have been alive while Prince was making music." - James Corden
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Reply #10 posted 07/30/16 11:11am

BlackandRising

PurplePeace said:

Thanks to the OP for posting this, very interesting. And while I'm not sure I would want things I said 16 years ago to be used as "evidence" this is what he said about protecting his legacy for his children, not his siblings. And of course, he never got around to "protecting his future" either - maybe because he didn't have any living children? I don't know.

...."What I hear is, "We are here to protect your future", and I say "You know what? I don't need you to protect my future .. I'll protect my future. You know what? Give me what I made back to me, so that I can hand something to my children."


um, he also clearly states when discussing other musicians that have made music and what they should be allowed to do with it, that "I made a lot of music .. it should still stay in my family."

There's no distinction there. Family is family.

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Reply #11 posted 07/30/16 11:12am

GrayDorian

makeadifference said:

It made me happy to hear that he felt that his music should "stay in his family." Granted, he may have been referring to his future unborn children but nevertheless, he did say "family," which could be his siblings as well.

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I made a lot of music .. it should still stay in my family.

Thanks for posting that!

It’s nice to think that it seems likely that Prince is getting his wish to ‘keep it in the family’.

In the absence of any clear instruction from Prince, who better than his closest loved ones to know his wishes regarding his precious music, and ensure that they are respected & fulfilled?

Hopefully with the professional advice & help of good friends such as Londell McMillan & Van Jones, I remain optimistic that Tyka & co will have the requisite wisdom to make good decisions on their brother’s behalf, and consequently make a great job of managing his estate & nurturing his legacy.

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Reply #12 posted 07/30/16 11:14am

EvilAngel

PurplePeace said:

SchlomoThaHomo said:

To be fair, he said this at a time when he thought he might still have a wife and kids one day.

Exactly what I was thinking - especially since he specifically talks about leaving master recordings to his children. If he was concerned about Tyka et. al. getting his music he would have made sure to lock it down that way. There wouldn't be any question. As it is, I think it's almost malpractice on the part of his attorney's not to insist he have a will.

[Edited 7/30/16 10:51am]

[Edited 7/30/16 10:54am]

He probably fired the ones who did. lol Prince always wanted to do things his way and if someone told him it couldn't be done or that it was unwise he would get someone to do the job.

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Reply #13 posted 07/30/16 11:18am

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he means keeping it in the black community and within his "family" - immediate and extended.

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Reply #14 posted 07/30/16 11:20am

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GrayDorian said:

In the absence of any clear instruction from Prince, who better than his closest loved ones to know his wishes regarding his precious music, and ensure that they are respected & fulfilled?

Hopefully with the professional advice & help of good friends such as Londell McMillan & Van Jones, I remain optimistic that Tyka & co will have the requisite wisdom to make good decisions on their brother’s behalf, and consequently make a great job of managing his estate & nurturing his legacy.

I honestly have no idea of his "closest loved ones" include his siblings but I know mine do not.

[Edited 7/30/16 11:20am]

"What a thing to have been alive while Prince was making music." - James Corden
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Reply #15 posted 07/30/16 11:26am

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EvilAngel said:

PurplePeace said:

Exactly what I was thinking - especially since he specifically talks about leaving master recordings to his children. If he was concerned about Tyka et. al. getting his music he would have made sure to lock it down that way. There wouldn't be any question. As it is, I think it's almost malpractice on the part of his attorney's not to insist he have a will.

[Edited 7/30/16 10:51am]

[Edited 7/30/16 10:54am]

He probably fired the ones who did. lol Prince always wanted to do things his way and if someone told him it couldn't be done or that it was unwise he would get someone to do the job.

LOL, good point. But do you think the lack of a will was a conscious decision, a rejection of the idea, or something he just didn't get around to doing? We will never know of course; only his attorneys know for sure and the cynic in me can't help noticing they will be making plenty off this mess.

"What a thing to have been alive while Prince was making music." - James Corden
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Reply #16 posted 07/30/16 11:49am

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Then he should've made a will.

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Reply #17 posted 07/30/16 12:41pm

EvilAngel

PurplePeace said:

EvilAngel said:

He probably fired the ones who did. lol Prince always wanted to do things his way and if someone told him it couldn't be done or that it was unwise he would get someone to do the job.

LOL, good point. But do you think the lack of a will was a conscious decision, a rejection of the idea, or something he just didn't get around to doing? We will never know of course; only his attorneys know for sure and the cynic in me can't help noticing they will be making plenty off this mess.

Having full control over his work was the most important thing to him. I was shocked he didn't have a will. Would have been the ultimate act of complete control if the entire vault had to be destroyed. lol

I guess he didn't care what would happen to his music when he's no longer around.

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Reply #18 posted 07/30/16 4:03pm

GrayDorian

EvilAngel said:

I guess he didn't care what would happen to his music when he's no longer around.

Considering how much work, care and love Prince put into his music, I find that well nigh impossible to believe.

I have a hazy recollection of Prince likening his songs to children, and I am having a hard time envisaging him deliberately abandoning them.

I may very well be mistaken, but it does not seem plausible to me that a man of Prince's intelligence, diligence & dedication to his art would work so hard and wait so long to regain his masters, simply to relinquish control of his music freely in the event of his passing. That wouldn't really make a great deal of sense to me.

Prince was reputedly very wary of contracts (emphasising the prefix con to reflect his distrust of them), so perhaps it shouldn't be all that surprising that he did not consider it prudent to make a will.

I don't think it means Prince didn't care what happened to his music, as in the past he may well have already made his wishes as to how to proceed after his passing clear verbally to closest friends and/or family members. Hopefully I'd like to think that this is the case, and that they are already collectively engaged in the process of fulfilling his wishes for his music.

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Reply #19 posted 07/30/16 4:53pm

YaThink

GrayDorian said:



EvilAngel said:



I guess he didn't care what would happen to his music when he's no longer around.





Considering how much work, care and love Prince put into his music, I find that well nigh impossible to believe.



I have a hazy recollection of Prince likening his songs to children, and I am having a hard time envisaging him deliberately abandoning them.



I may very well be mistaken, but it does not seem plausible to me that a man of Prince's intelligence, diligence & dedication to his art would work so hard and wait so long to regain his masters, simply to relinquish control of his music freely in the event of his passing. That wouldn't really make a great deal of sense to me.



Prince was reputedly very wary of contracts (emphasising the prefix con to reflect his distrust of them), so perhaps it shouldn't be all that surprising that he did not consider it prudent to make a will.



I don't think it means Prince didn't care what happened to his music, as in the past he may well have already made his wishes as to how to proceed after his passing clear verbally to closest friends and/or family members. Hopefully I'd like to think that this is the case, and that they are already collectively engaged in the process of fulfilling his wishes for his music.



Well stated.
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Reply #20 posted 07/30/16 11:08pm

morningsong

Well he included Jimi in his list who didn't have a wife and children so I'm guessing he didn't only mean his wife and children when he said family.
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Reply #21 posted 07/31/16 3:47am

icequeen78

I don't understand why folks who buy someone's music... a fan.. is salty about his family inheriting his wealth.. he took care of them while he lived. These are his blood relatives. Who did yall think was going to get his stuff.. his fans?
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Reply #22 posted 07/31/16 3:49am

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He also said quite clearly in an interview that "someone" would release his music when he's gone.. and didn't seem the least bit disturbed about not knowing who that someone would be


Perhaps prince was of the mind that once he's gone these material things don't matter...
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Reply #23 posted 07/31/16 4:55am

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ElGorillos said:

makeadifference said:

1:33:44 Najee, he's made many records .. I asked him today, I said "What are you going to give to your children?" He can't - yeah, music lessons, she said it - he should be able to hand the master recordings to his children so that they have ____ .. it's called the dynasty, it should stay in the family.

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1:34:15 That's how we can fix our communities, right? Jimi Hendrix made a lot of music, it should stay in his family. Miles Davis made a lot of music, you can go in the music store and still find Miles Davis records, it should stay in his family. I made a lot of music .. it should still stay in my family. When will we be paid? I ain't trying to preach, I'm just trying to let y'all know something.[Edited 7/30/16 5:44am]

Wasn't this a speech about owning your own master recordings? I think you have taken this qoute out of context, makeadifference smile

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EG

Yes, owning master recordings so (an artist) has something to hand to his/her children or family as he says. I posted the entire transcript so orgers can see the entire context of his speech-- so not sure how that is taking what he said out of context.

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Everyone is free to interpret as they wish. I just thought it would be worth posting since P rarely spoke about his wishes about what should happen to his music when his is gone.

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Reply #24 posted 07/31/16 5:14am

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PurplePeace said:

Thanks to the OP for posting this, very interesting. And while I'm not sure I would want things I said 16 years ago to be used as "evidence" this is what he said about protecting his legacy for his children, not his siblings. And of course, he never got around to "protecting his future" either - maybe because he didn't have any living children? I don't know.

...."What I hear is, "We are here to protect your future", and I say "You know what? I don't need you to protect my future .. I'll protect my future. You know what? Give me what I made back to me, so that I can hand something to my children."


You're welcome smile I think "protecting" my future .. could mean protecting himself while he was still alive and possibly unable to work ... as an elderly person. And yes, of course, he was hopeful that one day he'd have children and they would be his heirs so he'd also want control of his master recordings so he could eventually pass them down to his future children.
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Since he did not have children, and he does say "stay in the family" then I would think the next in line would be his siblings.

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My only question is did he "take care" of these siblings financially while he was alive?

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It's known that P didn't like to speak about death AND he didn't like contracts so maybe he was rolling the dice a bit on having no will. If he had a will drawn up naming his siblings as heirs, maybe he felt he would be sealing his fate of not having children.

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Of course, this is all speculation and none of my business. It's just hard to fathom how he worked so hard to protect his work AND obviously had an opinion about passing something down to someone-- but did nothing to get things in order. Like I've said in other threads, I just hope that something very LASTING is created in his memory, like a museum for future generations.

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GrayDorian said:

EvilAngel said:

I guess he didn't care what would happen to his music when he's no longer around.

Considering how much work, care and love Prince put into his music, I find that well nigh impossible to believe.

I have a hazy recollection of Prince likening his songs to children, and I am having a hard time envisaging him deliberately abandoning them.

I may very well be mistaken, but it does not seem plausible to me that a man of Prince's intelligence, diligence & dedication to his art would work so hard and wait so long to regain his masters, simply to relinquish control of his music freely in the event of his passing. That wouldn't really make a great deal of sense to me.

Prince was reputedly very wary of contracts (emphasising the prefix con to reflect his distrust of them), so perhaps it shouldn't be all that surprising that he did not consider it prudent to make a will.

I don't think it means Prince didn't care what happened to his music, as in the past he may well have already made his wishes as to how to proceed after his passing clear verbally to closest friends and/or family members. Hopefully I'd like to think that this is the case, and that they are already collectively engaged in the process of fulfilling his wishes for his music.

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Well he included Jimi in his list who didn't have a wife and children so I'm guessing he didn't only mean his wife and children when he said family.

Didn't realize that ... thanks for sharing, morningsong

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GrayDorian said:

EvilAngel said:

I guess he didn't care what would happen to his music when he's no longer around.

Considering how much work, care and love Prince put into his music, I find that well nigh impossible to believe.

I have a hazy recollection of Prince likening his songs to children, and I am having a hard time envisaging him deliberately abandoning them.

I may very well be mistaken, but it does not seem plausible to me that a man of Prince's intelligence, diligence & dedication to his art would work so hard and wait so long to regain his masters, simply to relinquish control of his music freely in the event of his passing. That wouldn't really make a great deal of sense to me.

Prince was reputedly very wary of contracts (emphasising the prefix con to reflect his distrust of them), so perhaps it shouldn't be all that surprising that he did not consider it prudent to make a will.

I don't think it means Prince didn't care what happened to his music, as in the past he may well have already made his wishes as to how to proceed after his passing clear verbally to closest friends and/or family members. Hopefully I'd like to think that this is the case, and that they are already collectively engaged in the process of fulfilling his wishes for his music.

Prince was full of shit most of the time. I'm sure Bart could come up with at least 10 examples of Prince contradicting himself off the top of his head. I'll just leave it at "actions speak louder than words". You'd also think a reasonably intelligent man would have rejected chem trail conspiracy theories and that such a man wouldn't have taken the Moline incident lightly just to name a few things. Oh well... shrug

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He also said quite clearly in an interview that "someone" would release his music when he's gone.. and didn't seem the least bit disturbed about not knowing who that someone would be Perhaps prince was of the mind that once he's gone these material things don't matter...

Yup on George Lopez he said that.

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GrayDorian said:

Considering how much work, care and love Prince put into his music, I find that well nigh impossible to believe.

I have a hazy recollection of Prince likening his songs to children, and I am having a hard time envisaging him deliberately abandoning them.

I may very well be mistaken, but it does not seem plausible to me that a man of Prince's intelligence, diligence & dedication to his art would work so hard and wait so long to regain his masters, simply to relinquish control of his music freely in the event of his passing. That wouldn't really make a great deal of sense to me.

Prince was reputedly very wary of contracts (emphasising the prefix con to reflect his distrust of them), so perhaps it shouldn't be all that surprising that he did not consider it prudent to make a will.

I don't think it means Prince didn't care what happened to his music, as in the past he may well have already made his wishes as to how to proceed after his passing clear verbally to closest friends and/or family members. Hopefully I'd like to think that this is the case, and that they are already collectively engaged in the process of fulfilling his wishes for his music.

Prince was full of shit most of the time. I'm sure Bart could come up with at least 10 examples of Prince contradicting himself off the top of his head. I'll just leave it at "actions speak louder than words". You'd also think a reasonably intelligent man would have rejected chem trail conspiracy theories and that such a man wouldn't have taken the Moline incident lightly just to name a few things. Oh well... shrug

“Prince was full of shit most of the time.”

This seems more like the kind of remark I would expect from one of my esteemed colleagues trying to goad me, than coming from a fellow Prince fan on a fan site, especially so shortly after his passing. I guess you and I must see Prince very differently. He always struck me as a passionate, sincere and caring man…far from a phony in my eyes, that’s for sure. You can call me a ‘delusional fanboy’ if you like. wink

“I'm sure Bart could come up with at least 10 examples of Prince contradicting himself off the top of his head.”

I doubt he would need too much encouragement to burst my balloon either. Well, I guess we all contradict ourselves at times in our lives. I am often pretty conflicted, and I’m sure many others have their own personal struggles/demons to face. Nobody’s perfect, that’s for sure…well, unless you happen to be Jesus. wink

Bart has clearly devoted a great deal of time and energy to his interest in Prince, though sometimes, when I have read his posts, to be frank I find his presence on this fan site a tad baffling. If he still retains any measure of love, affection or enthusiasm for Prince, he has hitherto concealed it brilliantly from me.

I'll just leave it at "actions speak louder than words".

I agree that actions often speak louder than words (though of course words can have great value and can be potent too). Prince certainly doesn’t need the likes of me to defend his reputation. Let me post a quote made by his good friend Van Jones in April that says a lot for Prince’s character:

“Prince was immensely charitable -- giving away lots of money anonymously. As a Jehovah's Witness, he was not allowed to boast about his donations. But he helped causes as diverse as public radio, Green For All, the Harlem's Children's Zone and Black Lives Matter. More importantly, he made lots of calls behind the scenes to get people to act on causes that needed attention. He would see something in the news, and start calling people -- "We need to do something about this." He was kind of like the 911 of the celebrity class.”

If I try to ponder how many people around the world Prince has touched so deeply with his lyrics, how many of our lives have been enhanced by his music, how many musicians have been inspired by him artistically, and how many souls he has blessed through his unheralded philanthropic acts of charity and love, were I to live for a million years I suspect I would still fail to make that level of positive difference in the world.

No doubt Prince had his faults, as we all do, but to me there is plenty of evidence of a life lived to the full, which has yielded an extraordinary contribution by an exceptional man of uncommon, unique talent and unyielding love for his fellow man.

I ’d also like to quote the same interview with Van Jones with regards to your suggestion that Prince “didn't care what would happen to his music when no longer around”.

“The happiest day that I have ever seen him is the day that Phaedra Ellis-Lamkins got him his master recordings back. It was like someone being released from prison. Every day I knew him before that day he would talk about getting his masters back. Every. Single. Day. He felt that the musical industry had robbed him -- as they had robbed so many black performers before him. But after a two-decade struggle, his last manager, Phaedra, forced the powers-that-be to relent. When he finally got his precious music catalog back under his own control, it was the ultimate vindication. He looked 100 pounds lighter -- and 10 feet taller. Prince, Phaedra and I cried a little -- and laughed a lot. He had beaten them all. The jewels were back in the Vault. And the Prince was irrevocably on his throne.”

Surely this hardly paints the picture of a man who would not make provision for his music after his passing, however unexpected? Imho Prince was no fool…far from it. He may have been reputedly wary of entering into contracts, but I still contend that a will/trust may not have been absolutely necessary to achieve this, provided he had given clear instructions to capable friends/family, whom he knew he could trust and rely upon to fulfil his wishes.

“You'd also think a reasonably intelligent man would have rejected chem trail conspiracy theories and that such a man wouldn't have taken the Moline incident lightly just to name a few things.”

Oddly enough, somebody was harping on at me about chem trails a few weeks ago. The conversation kind of left me speechless. I hadn’t even heard of them before that Prince interview, which did surprise me and make me wonder.

Although I have always found it easy to relate to Prince in many respects, I did perceive him to be a touch paranoid (albeit perhaps wrongly). I suspect that in his lofty yet vulnerable position at some points in his life he may have endured some pretty bad experiences at the hands of users, swindlers and other sundry dodgers in the music industry, which may have scarred him and made him understandably wary.

I work with a really nice, stand-up guy, who is very bright and capable, yet seems to see conspiracies everywhere. He even told me that he is convinced that 9/11 was an inside job, and George W was in on it! Go figure! eek

As for “taking the Moline incident lightly”, I can be quite fatalistic in outlook, and I wouldn’t be all that surprised, if Prince had a similar attitude to life (which again could be utter nonsense of course). I also got the impression from Judith Hill’s account of that event that Prince had acknowledged the problem needed addressing.

Alas, it just wasn’t addressed quickly enough to save him. It’s such an awful tragedy, and heartbreaking to think that help was so close at hand for him. Sadly (from a purely selfish perspective) no amount of wishing will turn back the hands of time, and bring him back to us. I hope and pray that he is at peace and at Home with God now.

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