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AlexHahn

Upcoming New Biography: Make the House Shake: The Life and Legacy of Prince

Fellow orgers, I am excited to tell you about a major upcoming biography of our favorite musician. It will be entitled “Make the House Shake: The Life and Legacy of Prince Rogers Nelson.”

This will be a comprehensive, multi-volume biography. Volume 1 is being targetted for release as an electronic book in September 2016. A hardcover run is also being considered.

This book is being created with the active involvement of a small group of Prince fans and archivists, including longtime prince.org participants. These include senior editor and researcher Laura Tiebert, a brilliant writer of numerous non-fiction books. While this will be a work of journalism, rather than hagiography, it will be animated by the deep respect, interest, and passion we all here have for this artist.

The sources of information will include interviews and research for my previous book Possessed; the voluminous public record concerning Prince that has emerged; and additional, ongoing original research.

While the book will contain expanded elements of Possessed, it will be a book with a dramatically different perspective and approach. It will also be more comprehensive.

Updates will also appear on twitter, where I am @alexhahnlaw, and my Facebook group, https://www.facebook.com/...952765104/

I look forward to telling you more about the project in the coming weeks. And thanks to the many supportive words I have heard from people so far.

Reply #1 posted 07/17/16 9:16pm

purplethunder3121

I'm looking forward to the continuing development of this project. Thank you for sharing the news.

I'm not a woman,
I'm not a man,
I am something that you’ll never understand...
Reply #2 posted 07/17/16 9:40pm

Bighead

Great to hear. I admire your earlier book: Possessed. Look forward to reading this new tome.

Reply #3 posted 07/17/16 9:46pm

sonshine

Wow. Ok. Well, that didn't take long at all. I guess I'm looking forward to it too. I think. I'm just feeling kind of weird about it, yet I'm not really sure why that is. Thanks for the info tho.
Reply #4 posted 07/17/16 9:51pm

AnnaStesia10

Thank u Alex for this update, I am looking forward to this one as well!!

"A strong spirit transcends rules." - Prince
Reply #5 posted 07/17/16 9:54pm

Adorecream

AlexHahn said:

Fellow orgers, I am excited to tell you about a major upcoming biography of our favorite musician. It will be entitled “Make the House Shake: The Life and Legacy of Prince Rogers Nelson.”

This will be a comprehensive, multi-volume biography. Volume 1 is being targetted for release as an electronic book in September 2016. A hardcover run is also being considered.

This book is being created with the active involvement of a small group of Prince fans and archivists, including longtime prince.org participants. These include senior editor and researcher Laura Tiebert, a brilliant writer of numerous non-fiction books. While this will be a work of journalism, rather than hagiography, it will be animated by the deep respect, interest, and passion we all here have for this artist.

The sources of information will include interviews and research for my previous book Possessed; the voluminous public record concerning Prince that has emerged; and additional, ongoing original research.

While the book will contain expanded elements of Possessed, it will be a book with a dramatically different perspective and approach. It will also be more comprehensive.

Updates will also appear on twitter, where I am @alexhahnlaw, and my Facebook group, https://www.facebook.com/...952765104/

I look forward to telling you more about the project in the coming weeks. And thanks to the many supportive words I have heard from people so far.

Alex is that you? Wow! do you know how much we talk about Possessed here! Lets hope the new book is a bit more positive than that with his post 1987 output. Of course I know the book came out just before the whole 2000s revival. But hopefully you think Diamonds and Pearls is more than a pyrrhic victory now.

Sign o the Times - 30 years old this month.
Reply #6 posted 07/17/16 10:04pm

TrivialPursuit

Finally one worth reading. So many bios out there right now that are pretty much worthless.

"Despite everything, no 1 can dictate who u r 2 other people." - Prince
Reply #7 posted 07/17/16 10:06pm

Goddess4Real

I hope its not another cut and paste job (I can spot those a mile away!). Also I would like to see more info about The Time and Vanity 6 and the author's reaction to the Prince's show in Australia this year, in particular the Melbourne show...where Prince spoke so candidly. Thanks in advance biggrin

Keep Calm & Listen To Prince
Reply #8 posted 07/17/16 10:11pm

TrivialPursuit

Goddess4Real said:

I hope its not another cut and paste job (I can spot those a mile away!). Also I would like to see more info about The Time and Vanity 6 and the author's reaction to the Prince's show in Australia this year, in particular the Melbourne show...where Prince spoke so candidly. Thanks in advance biggrin


Did you read Possessed? It was far from a cut and paste job. If you want that, go get that heifer Liz Jones' book. She referenced most of the Oprah interview without one bit of credit to the show or its host or producers. God, I hated that I spent money on that. I bought it the same time I bought Crystal Ball.

"Despite everything, no 1 can dictate who u r 2 other people." - Prince
Reply #9 posted 07/17/16 10:25pm

Goddess4Real

TrivialPursuit said:

Goddess4Real said:

I hope its not another cut and paste job (I can spot those a mile away!). Also I would like to see more info about The Time and Vanity 6 and the author's reaction to the Prince's show in Australia this year, in particular the Melbourne show...where Prince spoke so candidly. Thanks in advance biggrin


Did you read Possessed? It was far from a cut and paste job. If you want that, go get that heifer Liz Jones' book. She referenced most of the Oprah interview without one bit of credit to the show or its host or producers. God, I hated that I spent money on that. I bought it the same time I bought Crystal Ball.

I haven't had the opportunity to read that one because its out of print here in oz.....that is what Dymocks told me mad , I'm just speaking in general after reading some of the woeful Prince tributes, I mean I love the pics but some of the info was incorrect and sloppy, and I know like with other high profile passings there is gonna be a flutter of books that are gonna come out with same cut and paste jobs mentality. Look at all the shit what been written about MJ, even that parasite Conrad Murray got a friggin book coming out....now he is killing him in print mad . I don't want to see that happen to Prince u know what I mean. I was so relieved that no one has sold pic where he passed away etc like they did to Whitney, if that had happen alot of us would have been really upset.

[Edited 7/17/16 22:33pm]

Keep Calm & Listen To Prince
Reply #10 posted 07/17/16 11:31pm

luv4u

Moderator

moderator

Putting this on the front page thumbs up!

Edmonton, AB - canada

Ohh purple joy oh purple bliss oh purple rapture!
REAL MUSIC by REAL MUSICIANS - Prince
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Reply #11 posted 07/18/16 1:30am

jn2

I hope that there will be a French edition.

Reply #12 posted 07/18/16 2:54am

WhisperingDandelions

A couple weeks ago you were saying you were going to "slightly update" Possessed, "not to make a profit." Is this now that? Will the critical aspects of the first book be omitted?

Reply #13 posted 07/18/16 3:53am

iZsaZsa

Okay. Thanks.
Reply #14 posted 07/18/16 4:10am

RachB65

Great, keep us informed of the progress and eventual release. A hardcopy would b great, even in limited quantities or print to order...I like feeling a book in my hands when i read as well as seeing them on my bookshelves...
"Almost all art is trying to become an anaesthetic and at the same time a healing session drawing up the magical electrics.”
Reply #15 posted 07/18/16 4:26am

EloiseEloise

AlexHahn said:

Fellow orgers, I am excited to tell you about a major upcoming biography of our favorite musician.  It will be entitled “Make the House Shake: The Life and Legacy of Prince Rogers Nelson.”


This will be a comprehensive, multi-volume biography.  Volume 1 is being targetted for release as an electronic book in September 2016.  A hardcover run is also being considered.


This book is being created with the active involvement of a small group of Prince fans and archivists, including longtime prince.org participants.  These include senior editor and researcher Laura Tiebert, a brilliant writer of numerous non-fiction books.  While this will be a work of journalism, rather than hagiography, it will be animated by the deep respect, interest, and passion we all here have for this artist.


The sources of information will include interviews and research for my previous book Possessed; the voluminous public record concerning Prince that has emerged; and additional, ongoing original research.


While the book will contain expanded elements of Possessed, it will be a book with a dramatically different perspective and approach.  It will also be more comprehensive.


Updates will also appear on twitter, where I am @alexhahnlaw, and my Facebook group, https://www.facebook.com/groups/309126952765104/


I look forward to telling you more about the project in the coming weeks.  And thanks to the many supportive words I have heard from people so far.


 


 


 


 


 


 



Sounds great.

The poster named UfoClub mentioned planning to do a documentary on Prince. He also wrote an awesome three sentence description on what made Prince magical.
Is he collaborating with you?

Also wanted to add my two cents... I feel it would be truly awesome to include Prince's online interactions with fans, including possible activity on the org, and all those posters who described how he seemed to be playing some game where he would respond to orgers who would either make song requests or mention songs they hoped he's play at upcoming concerts - obscure songs - and then somehow he would play exactly these on the night.

...maybe you already have thought of ncluding this, but if not: I think it'd be cool to. He was such a one of a kind...
sigh
Reply #16 posted 07/18/16 4:57am

keslie70

I'm hoping you do a hardcover run of the books, maybe I'm just too "old school" but I prefer having the physical book in my hands when I read it biggrin
Thank you for work and sharing it with us!
Reply #17 posted 07/18/16 5:27am

OperatingThetan

I'll withold my final judgement until the book is released and I read the final results, but 'Possessed' was very critical with some aspects that read like a tabloid.

And now after Prince's death, Alex appears again having been absent from the community for many years, to publicise another book? Hmmm...
Reply #18 posted 07/18/16 6:19am

djThunderfunk

keslie70 said:

I'm hoping you do a hardcover run of the books, maybe I'm just too "old school" but I prefer having the physical book in my hands when I read it biggrin Thank you for work and sharing it with us!


This. Physical copy or nothing. Just sayin'.

"This is the kind of thread I show people when they say I' m a Prince nut. I just say nope, look here." - TheEnglishGent.
Reply #19 posted 07/18/16 6:19am

selah

boxed hmmm would rather have read his autobiography neutral

Reply #20 posted 07/18/16 6:26am

2olskool4u

Cha-chiiing!
Reply #21 posted 07/18/16 6:34am

bluegangsta

Have Prince's ashes even cooled down yet?

Always cry 4 love, never cry 4 pain.
Reply #22 posted 07/18/16 6:39am

NorthC

OperatingThetan said:

I'll withold my final judgement until the book is released and I read the final results, but 'Possessed' was very critical with some aspects that read like a tabloid.

And now after Prince's death, Alex appears again having been absent from the community for many years, to publicise another book? Hmmm...

... And does his best to assure us that no, no, it's not going to be so negative this time! wink
Of course we cannot judge a book that isn't out yet, but I'd only want to read a book that really tells us something new. So let's wait and see...
Keep on rockin' in the free world
Reply #23 posted 07/18/16 8:26am

2freaky4church1

Let's be nice. Alex knows his shit.

"2freaky is a complete stud." DJ
Reply #24 posted 07/18/16 9:06am

muleFunk

I wouldn't read this book if I got it for free.

Hahn is an ambulance chasing lawyer that wants to cash in on Prince's death.

If Per Nielsen writes one then fine but this joker......

Reply #25 posted 07/18/16 9:10am

Iamtheorg

OperatingThetan said:

I'll withold my final judgement until the book is released and I read the final results, but 'Possessed' was very critical with some aspects that read like a tabloid. And now after Prince's death, Alex appears again having been absent from the community for many years, to publicise another book? Hmmm...

^^^^^^

Reply #26 posted 07/18/16 9:24am

Empress

Excellent news! Please release a hardcover book version as e-books are a pain to read. Also, with a hardcover version, it is something tangible the true fans can have as keepsake.

Reply #27 posted 07/18/16 9:33am

Iamtheorg

Empress said:

Excellent news! Please release a hardcover book version as e-books are a pain to read. Also, with a hardcover version, it is something tangible the true fans can have as keepsake.

true fans..yeah right

Reply #28 posted 07/18/16 10:26am

AlexHahn

Thanks to everybody for the supportive comments. We are more than open to suggestions and ideas, such as the great ones made so far.

I am hearing the message loud and clear concerning a physical edition. I am probably not interested in working with a traditional publisher, but we are exploring ways to make a physical edition happen.

I think many people understand that something like this is a labor of love rather than a money-making venture. I won't belabor that point other to say that the amount of money I received in total for Possessed amounted to a salary of about $2 per hour. The amount of time I have spent on this project since my 50th birthday (April 21) is placing profound demands on my professional life and my family life. Needless to say, my law practice, which is to some extent on hold to work on this book, would be a far better way to "cash in."

In the last several months, I have lost my mother and my grandmother, and I can tell you that one of the reasons I am doing this is in honor of my mother's work ethic and commitment as a writer. I am happy I will be able to dedicate the book to her, which is far more important than ever receiving a dollar.

Reply #29 posted 07/18/16 10:32am

AlexHahn

In looking back at the original book, I feel that the tone in parts, particularly when I am reviewing records, had a slightly snarky aspect. The value of spending a lot of time on commentary I think is somewhat questionable, especially since reasonable minds so often disagree. I am more interested this time in telling the story. Not all aspects of that story are pretty or tidy, but my intent will be to offer a full portrait of an incomparable life.

WhisperingDandelions said:

Will the critical aspects of the first book be omitted?

Reply #30 posted 07/18/16 11:29am

2freaky4church1

A true fan tells the truth about Prince. You certainly do not think everything he did was chuckles.

"2freaky is a complete stud." DJ
Reply #31 posted 07/18/16 11:43am

babynoz

muleFunk said:

I wouldn't read this book if I got it for free.

Hahn is an ambulance chasing lawyer that wants to cash in on Prince's death.

If Per Nielsen writes one then fine but this joker......




yeahthat

Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit
and for that, I am eternally grateful....IDF
Reply #32 posted 07/18/16 11:49am

babynoz

OperatingThetan said:

I'll withold my final judgement until the book is released and I read the final results, but 'Possessed' was very critical with some aspects that read like a tabloid. And now after Prince's death, Alex appears again having been absent from the community for many years, to publicise another book? Hmmm...



I'm also wondering how come this thread gets featured when he isn't the first or last person to write a Prince screed......erm, book.

Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit
and for that, I am eternally grateful....IDF
Reply #33 posted 07/18/16 12:27pm

love2thenines2003

@ Alex Hahn. ...u have all my support. .i'M impatient to buy and read ur Book! Thanx 4 ur imput!
Reply #34 posted 07/18/16 1:50pm

Musze

Hopeful for a good biography. Gonna keep an open mind.

I Love U, But I Don't Trust U Anymore...
Reply #35 posted 07/18/16 2:15pm

2freaky4church1

What do you all think of the title? He should call it Moonbeam Levels.

"2freaky is a complete stud." DJ
Reply #36 posted 07/18/16 2:18pm

LauraTiebert

Hi all, wanted to introduce myself - I'm new to the Org, but not new to Prince. As a longtime Prince fan who's a writer, it's extremely rewarding to be working on this project with Alex. He and I are committed to producing a detailed and accurate biography that honors Prince's legacy.

The org has already proven to be an immensely helpful resource and the knowledge base here is phenomenal. Thanks to those who offered support and kind words, and look forward to getting to know the community here in the coming months.

Reply #37 posted 07/18/16 3:40pm

keslie70

I'm also looking forward to your book. Maybe some people that refer to "cashing in" are referring to the out of print book going for over $300 on Amazon...reality is that you don't see a penny of that. So many posts that identified best biographies put Possessed and DMSR as top on their lists. I'm hopeful that the future volumes will find the way up there too!!
Added this -> I noticed comments on recommended reading hoping Alex would update and republish his book and that some wanted to purchase now but $300 or whatever the going rate for third party sale was out of reach. I think it's great that he is responding to the community!!
[Edited 7/18/16 16:01pm]
Reply #38 posted 07/18/16 5:12pm

Identity

Terrific news, Alex. I can't wait to purchase a copy of your next book. Possessed is stellar.

Reply #39 posted 07/18/16 5:17pm

smoothcriminal12

Wonderful. Thanks so much Alex! I loved Possessed and can't wait to see what else is in store.

Reply #40 posted 07/18/16 5:44pm

luv4u

Moderator

moderator

LauraTiebert said:

Hi all, wanted to introduce myself - I'm new to the Org, but not new to Prince. As a longtime Prince fan who's a writer, it's extremely rewarding to be working on this project with Alex. He and I are committed to producing a detailed and accurate biography that honors Prince's legacy.

The org has already proven to be an immensely helpful resource and the knowledge base here is phenomenal. Thanks to those who offered support and kind words, and look forward to getting to know the community here in the coming months.


cool

Welcome

Edmonton, AB - canada

Ohh purple joy oh purple bliss oh purple rapture!
REAL MUSIC by REAL MUSICIANS - Prince
"I kind of wish there was a reason for Prince to make the site crash more" ~~ Ben
Reply #41 posted 07/18/16 6:17pm

Morningstarlet

I'd like to read Possessed, but I'm not paying hundreds of dollars for a book. Is there somewhere that you can download the book?
Reply #42 posted 07/18/16 7:59pm

Krystalkisses

Thanks for the update Alex. I am very excited to read the new book.

Reply #43 posted 07/18/16 8:12pm

SENNISS

It's free, right?

wink

Reply #44 posted 07/18/16 8:19pm

williamb610

I just did a 180 and bought a Prince book on a whim. I had Per Nielson's book on Prince, previously, but it's lost at my parent's house. I'll probably get it again because it had so much info on Prince tracks, heard and unheard.

I got Matt Thorne's book on Prince(the Man and his Music) after getting excited about reading about some of the unheard tracks that he mentions; the previously unheard tracks are the things the get me riled up.

We'll see, if this new book, can hold a candle to either of them.

Reply #45 posted 07/18/16 8:30pm

nursev

muleFunk said:

I wouldn't read this book if I got it for free.


 


Hahn is an ambulance chasing lawyer that wants to cash in on Prince's death.


 


If Per Nielsen writes one then fine but this joker.....



agreed...Prince hasn't been dead 3 months...damn
Reply #46 posted 07/18/16 8:58pm

jordynne

Morningstarlet said:

I'd like to read Possessed, but I'm not paying hundreds of dollars for a book. Is there somewhere that you can download the book?

I'm new to the Org too but 30 year Prince fan. Many of the Prince bios can be found at your local library.
Jordynne💜💜💜
Reply #47 posted 07/18/16 9:21pm

Eileen

Looking forward to your work, Alex and Laura. Definitely would want it as a real, physical book.

Reply #48 posted 07/18/16 10:35pm

sonshine

LauraTiebert said:

Hi all, wanted to introduce myself - I'm new to the Org, but not new to Prince. As a longtime Prince fan who's a writer, it's extremely rewarding to be working on this project with Alex. He and I are committed to producing a detailed and accurate biography that honors Prince's legacy.

The org has already proven to be an immensely helpful resource and the knowledge base here is phenomenal. Thanks to those who offered support and kind words, and look forward to getting to know the community here in the coming months.

Welcome. Glad you're here smile

Reply #49 posted 07/19/16 5:38am

smokeverbs

I liked Possessed. Looking forward to this one.

Keep your headphones on.
Reply #50 posted 07/19/16 7:04am

Conor

I liked Possessed a lot too. I'll definitely buy this one.

Reply #51 posted 07/19/16 11:37am

MD431Madcat

Possessed was a decent read *although a bit tabloid ish..

Please dont waste your time on another book unless you have some groundbreaking 'new' info!

"holding grudges and anger is a waste of energy, We are all going to die. We are all evolving, trying to become better people, so let it go.”
Reply #52 posted 07/19/16 12:26pm

TrivialPursuit

MD431Madcat said:

Possessed was a decent read *although a bit tabloid ish..

Please dont waste your time on another book unless you have some groundbreaking 'new' info!


I'm sure Mr. Hahn can decide what to do on his own. Besides Jon Bream, Alan Light, Questlove, or Per Nilsen, Alex Hahn is the only other person I'd want to read when writing about Prince.

"Despite everything, no 1 can dictate who u r 2 other people." - Prince
Reply #53 posted 07/19/16 12:31pm

purplethunder3121

The new book series will include a team of writers, which Mr. Hahn is part of.

I'm not a woman,
I'm not a man,
I am something that you’ll never understand...
Reply #54 posted 07/19/16 12:37pm

AlexHahn

purplethunder3121 said:

The new book series will include a team of writers, which Mr. Hahn is part of.

Which is part of my scheme to have others take the flack with me! : )

LauraTiebert is a great writer and true fan, and is adding a huge amount to this.

Reply #55 posted 07/19/16 12:41pm

Vashtix

Goddess4Real said:

I hope its not another cut and paste job (I can spot those a mile away!). Also I would like to see more info about The Time and Vanity 6 and the author's reaction to the Prince's show in Australia this year, in particular the Melbourne show...where Prince spoke so candidly. Thanks in advance biggrin


I would like an unbiased view of Prince during that time is objective.
Reply #56 posted 07/19/16 12:41pm

paisleypark4

AlexHahn said:

Fellow orgers, I am excited to tell you about a major upcoming biography of our favorite musician. It will be entitled “Make the House Shake: The Life and Legacy of Prince Rogers Nelson.”

This will be a comprehensive, multi-volume biography. Volume 1 is being targetted for release as an electronic book in September 2016. A hardcover run is also being considered.

This book is being created with the active involvement of a small group of Prince fans and archivists, including longtime prince.org participants. These include senior editor and researcher Laura Tiebert, a brilliant writer of numerous non-fiction books. While this will be a work of journalism, rather than hagiography, it will be animated by the deep respect, interest, and passion we all here have for this artist.

The sources of information will include interviews and research for my previous book Possessed; the voluminous public record concerning Prince that has emerged; and additional, ongoing original research.

While the book will contain expanded elements of Possessed, it will be a book with a dramatically different perspective and approach. It will also be more comprehensive.

Updates will also appear on twitter, where I am @alexhahnlaw, and my Facebook group, https://www.facebook.com/...952765104/

I look forward to telling you more about the project in the coming weeks. And thanks to the many supportive words I have heard from people so far.

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Reply #57 posted 07/19/16 4:56pm

MD431Madcat

Possessed was a decent read *although a bit tabloid ish..

Please dont waste your time on another book unless you have some groundbreaking 'new' info!

TrivialPursuit said:

MD431Madcat said:

Possessed was a decent read *although a bit tabloid ish..

Please dont waste your time on another book unless you have some groundbreaking 'new' info!


I'm sure Mr. Hahn can decide what to do on his own. Besides Jon Bream, Alan Light, Questlove, or Per Nilsen, Alex Hahn is the only other person I'd want to read when writing about Prince.

[Edited 7/19/16 16:57pm]

"holding grudges and anger is a waste of energy, We are all going to die. We are all evolving, trying to become better people, so let it go.”
Reply #58 posted 07/19/16 5:13pm

databank

AlexHahn said:

Fellow orgers, I am excited to tell you about a major upcoming biography of our favorite musician. It will be entitled “Make the House Shake: The Life and Legacy of Prince Rogers Nelson.”

This will be a comprehensive, multi-volume biography. Volume 1 is being targetted for release as an electronic book in September 2016. A hardcover run is also being considered.

This book is being created with the active involvement of a small group of Prince fans and archivists, including longtime prince.org participants. These include senior editor and researcher Laura Tiebert, a brilliant writer of numerous non-fiction books. While this will be a work of journalism, rather than hagiography, it will be animated by the deep respect, interest, and passion we all here have for this artist.

The sources of information will include interviews and research for my previous book Possessed; the voluminous public record concerning Prince that has emerged; and additional, ongoing original research.

While the book will contain expanded elements of Possessed, it will be a book with a dramatically different perspective and approach. It will also be more comprehensive.

Updates will also appear on twitter, where I am @alexhahnlaw, and my Facebook group, https://www.facebook.com/...952765104/

I look forward to telling you more about the project in the coming weeks. And thanks to the many supportive words I have heard from people so far.

Wow! This went farther than u originally considered it seems! Cool news, looking forward to reading it! As I always said the first decade is well documented but what came next is in deep need for more research, I hope ur books can do the job smile

A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...iscog/home
Reply #59 posted 07/19/16 5:25pm

AlexHahn

databank said:

Wow! This went farther than u originally considered it seems! Cool news, looking forward to reading it! As I always said the first decade is well documented but what came next is in deep need for more research, I hope ur books can do the job smile

It sure did!

The later years remain a puzzle, and I do hope more information emerges.

Right now, we arere digging back into the very early years. There is a lot of stuff that needs correcting . There is a lot of myth that has been passed from book to book somewhat credulously -- and I'll plead a little guilty for all my past and future crimes -- and new interpretations are warranted as well. I am anxious to create as accurate as possible a record, something that can be consulted for a long time to come.

Reply #60 posted 07/20/16 1:23am

BartVanHemelen

keslie70 said:

I'm hoping you do a hardcover run of the books, maybe I'm just too "old school" but I prefer having the physical book in my hands when I read it

.

You can always print it yourself.

.

Still, Alex could look into the many services that offer "print on demand". Or perhaps a Kickstarter. Can't see a "real" publisher being interested in printing a multi-volume bio of Prince, TBH.

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Reply #61 posted 07/20/16 1:29am

BartVanHemelen

muleFunk said:

I wouldn't read this book if I got it for free.

Hahn is an ambulance chasing lawyer that wants to cash in on Prince's death.

If Per Nielsen writes one then fine but this joker......

.

Oh look, yet more of the "people making mountains of money by writing Prince bios" nonsense.

.

Pur-lease. Go look at any thread on the Org which discusses P books: you'll find a half a dozen participants and the threads disappear quite fast. Hell, there was some stupid thread about Prince's astrological signs recently that had more pages than the thread discussing Alan Light's Let's Go Crazy: Prince and the Making of Purple Rain.

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This posting is provided AS IS with no warranties, and confers no rights.
It is not authorized by Prince or the NPG Music Club. You assume all risk for
your use. All rights reserved.
Reply #62 posted 07/20/16 1:34am

BartVanHemelen

babynoz said:

OperatingThetan said:

I'll withold my final judgement until the book is released and I read the final results, but 'Possessed' was very critical with some aspects that read like a tabloid. And now after Prince's death, Alex appears again having been absent from the community for many years, to publicise another book? Hmmm...



I'm also wondering how come this thread gets featured when he isn't the first or last person to write a Prince screed......erm, book.

.

Hey, I've said over and over again that Alan Light's book deserved some promotion. But even making it a sticky was apparently not happening, IIRC. Guess PP objected to it...

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Other than that, what other books are there in the pipeline? Duane Tudahl's, sure, but I don't think he's started a thread here announcing its release (though judging from his Facebook group it does seem to be slated for a release later this year).

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Reply #63 posted 07/20/16 1:36am

BartVanHemelen

williamb610 said:

I just did a 180 and bought a Prince book on a whim. I had Per Nielson's book on Prince, previously, but it's lost at my parent's house. I'll probably get it again because it had so much info on Prince tracks, heard and unheard.

I got Matt Thorne's book on Prince(the Man and his Music) after getting excited about reading about some of the unheard tracks that he mentions; the previously unheard tracks are the things the get me riled up.

We'll see, if this new book, can hold a candle to either of them.

.

Matt Thorne's is mediocre at best.

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Reply #64 posted 07/20/16 4:07am

laurarichardson

AlexHahn said:

databank said:

Wow! This went farther than u originally considered it seems! Cool news, looking forward to reading it! As I always said the first decade is well documented but what came next is in deep need for more research, I hope ur books can do the job smile

It sure did!

The later years remain a puzzle, and I do hope more information emerges.

Right now, we arere digging back into the very early years. There is a lot of stuff that needs correcting . There is a lot of myth that has been passed from book to book somewhat credulously -- and I'll plead a little guilty for all my past and future crimes -- and new interpretations are warranted as well. I am anxious to create as accurate as possible a record, something that can be consulted for a long time to come.

I hope this book is going to have balance. We are finding out so many good things that he did and was involved in. Your previous book was short on the good things.

Reply #65 posted 07/20/16 11:18am

fortuneandserendipity

Can you just not assume this time every album from Lovesexy to N.E.W.S is shit, ok?

"Musically way ahead of any of us" - Elton John on P

"I am a dyed-in-the-wool Englishman!" - Mozart (EU hater)


If most of the vault is like 'OLD FRIENDS 4 SALE' (8/10) prepare to be amazed, if it's more like NPG CLUB albums then don't expect much
Reply #66 posted 07/20/16 1:21pm

wavesofbliss

BartVanHemelen said:

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Matt Thorne's is mediocre at best.

yeah i was wondering why it ran some 500 pgs. i can't remember a single remarkable tidbit or insight. confused

Prince #MUSICIANICONLEGEND
Reply #67 posted 07/20/16 1:23pm

BartVanHemelen

wavesofbliss said:

BartVanHemelen said:

.

Matt Thorne's is mediocre at best.

yeah i was wondering why it ran some 500 pgs. i can't remember a single remarkable tidbit or insight. confused

.

Skimmed over much of the 1980s, had excruciatingly detailed reports on all 21 Nights gigs. Only interesting bit in the book was the interview with HM Buff.

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Reply #68 posted 07/20/16 1:36pm

wavesofbliss

BartVanHemelen said:

wavesofbliss said:

yeah i was wondering why it ran some 500 pgs. i can't remember a single remarkable tidbit or insight. confused

.

Skimmed over much of the 1980s, had excruciatingly detailed reports on all 21 Nights gigs. Only interesting bit in the book was the interview with HM Buff.

that's the bit about 'emancipation' right? the german guy. kirk's programming still sucks,imo. plastic, unimaginative- meh. buff and sharpe seemed more forgiving.

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Reply #69 posted 07/20/16 1:58pm

jtfolden

Great to read this! The first book was great. biggrin

Reply #70 posted 07/20/16 3:52pm

madhouseman

BartVanHemelen said:

babynoz said:



I'm also wondering how come this thread gets featured when he isn't the first or last person to write a Prince screed......erm, book.

.

Hey, I've said over and over again that Alan Light's book deserved some promotion. But even making it a sticky was apparently not happening, IIRC. Guess PP objected to it...

.

Other than that, what other books are there in the pipeline? Duane Tudahl's, sure, but I don't think he's started a thread here announcing its release (though judging from his Facebook group it does seem to be slated for a release later this year).

Thanks for the props Bart. I am hoping to get my book about Prince's studio sessions (1983/84) out this fall. It is finished and I'm talking to some publishers about it right now. I agree that Alan Light's book was very worthy of your time. It is a well researched book. Alex's upcoming book sounds pretty amazing too. Alex and I have known each other for years (I helped with a little of the research for his first book) and from what he's told me, this sounds like a worthy successor. I hope he does well with it. Good guy and someone who does some research, which so many authors don't bother doing.

I'm looking forward to reading Alex's latest work.

If you want to be updated about my book PRINCE: THE COMPLETE STUDIO SESSIONS (1983/84) go to https://www.facebook.com/...104195943/ and join the conversation.
Reply #71 posted 07/20/16 5:27pm

AlexHahn

BartVanHemelen said:

keslie70 said:

I'm hoping you do a hardcover run of the books, maybe I'm just too "old school" but I prefer having the physical book in my hands when I read it

.

You can always print it yourself.

.

Still, Alex could look into the many services that offer "print on demand". Or perhaps a Kickstarter. Can't see a "real" publisher being interested in printing a multi-volume bio of Prince, TBH.

The kickstarter option definitely interests me. As far as Matt Thorne and Ronin Ro go, they seem reasonably well researched, but don't have enough narrative flow for my liking.

[Edited 7/20/16 17:30pm]

Reply #72 posted 07/20/16 5:29pm

AlexHahn

fortuneandserendipity said:

Can you just not assume this time every album from Lovesexy to N.E.W.S is shit, ok?

Fair enough. I'm more interested in telling a story than critiquing records this time out. But I am actually digging certain of the later stuff. Exhibit A: "Black Muse."

Reply #73 posted 07/20/16 5:33pm

Goddess4Real

AlexHahn said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

Can you just not assume this time every album from Lovesexy to N.E.W.S is shit, ok?

Fair enough. I'm more interested in telling a story than critiquing records this time out. But I am actually digging certain of the later stuff. Exhibit A: "Black Muse."

What about the earlier stuff with The Time, Vanity 6 and Jill Jones? that is what I'm interested in.

Keep Calm & Listen To Prince
Reply #74 posted 07/20/16 8:23pm

nursev

Why is Possessed $345 on Amazon? thats not even cool neutral

Reply #75 posted 07/21/16 3:07am

BartVanHemelen

nursev said:

Why is Possessed $345 on Amazon? thats not even cool neutral

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Oh for crying out loud: demand and supply.

.

More extreme: http://www.digitaltrends....-textbook/

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Reply #76 posted 07/21/16 3:23am

Scarfo

AlexHahn said:

Thanks to everybody for the supportive comments. We are more than open to suggestions and ideas, such as the great ones made so far.

I am hearing the message loud and clear concerning a physical edition. I am probably not interested in working with a traditional publisher, but we are exploring ways to make a physical edition happen.

I think many people understand that something like this is a labor of love rather than a money-making venture. I won't belabor that point other to say that the amount of money I received in total for Possessed amounted to a salary of about $2 per hour. The amount of time I have spent on this project since my 50th birthday (April 21) is placing profound demands on my professional life and my family life. Needless to say, my law practice, which is to some extent on hold to work on this book, would be a far better way to "cash in."

In the last several months, I have lost my mother and my grandmother, and I can tell you that one of the reasons I am doing this is in honor of my mother's work ethic and commitment as a writer. I am happy I will be able to dedicate the book to her, which is far more important than ever receiving a dollar.

Your birthday is April 21st? ......wow

Reply #77 posted 07/21/16 3:24am

BartVanHemelen

AlexHahn said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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You can always print it yourself.

.

Still, Alex could look into the many services that offer "print on demand". Or perhaps a Kickstarter. Can't see a "real" publisher being interested in printing a multi-volume bio of Prince, TBH.

The kickstarter option definitely interests me. As far as Matt Thorne and Ronin Ro go, they seem reasonably well researched, but don't have enough narrative flow for my liking.

[Edited 7/20/16 17:30pm]

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Ronin's was hor-ri-ble. Dude just didn't seem to have any interest in the subject. He claimed Prince was working on TBA in December 1987 -- and no, that wasn't a typo.

.

WRT the Kickstarter: don't get your hopes up. The Prince community is cheap as fuck, and despite so many of them bitching about the price of Prince bios, very few of them actually buy and read any of them. Hell, even pointing them to PrinceVault seems to be insulting for a lot of them. I mean, there recently was a thread in which someone complained about Per Nilsen being too negative. Per Nilsen!

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Reply #78 posted 07/21/16 8:44am

AlexHahn

BartVanHemelen said:

AlexHahn said:

The kickstarter option definitely interests me. As far as Matt Thorne and Ronin Ro go, they seem reasonably well researched, but don't have enough narrative flow for my liking.

[Edited 7/20/16 17:30pm]

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Ronin's was hor-ri-ble. Dude just didn't seem to have any interest in the subject. He claimed Prince was working on TBA in December 1987 -- and no, that wasn't a typo.

.

WRT the Kickstarter: don't get your hopes up. The Prince community is cheap as fuck, and despite so many of them bitching about the price of Prince bios, very few of them actually buy and read any of them. Hell, even pointing them to PrinceVault seems to be insulting for a lot of them. I mean, there recently was a thread in which someone complained about Per Nilsen being too negative. Per Nilsen!

I agree, I felt that both both Thorne and Ro seemed pretty uninterested in the subject. What I would ilke to bring is the passion of a fan, a measure of journalistic focus, and an approach to writing that will make this a story, rather than just a collection of facts.

Reply #79 posted 07/21/16 10:04am

1p1p1i3

Glad to hear this news, I look forward to the release. I have no interest in a paper copy though, ebooks are fine by me.
Reply #80 posted 07/21/16 10:13am

TrivialPursuit

BartVanHemelen said:

Ronin's was hor-ri-ble. Dude just didn't seem to have any interest in the subject. He claimed Prince was working on TBA in December 1987 -- and no, that wasn't a typo.

.

WRT the Kickstarter: don't get your hopes up. The Prince community is cheap as fuck, and despite so many of them bitching about the price of Prince bios, very few of them actually buy and read any of them. Hell, even pointing them to PrinceVault seems to be insulting for a lot of them. I mean, there recently was a thread in which someone complained about Per Nilsen being too negative. Per Nilsen!


I checked out Ronin's book at the library. I returned it in under 24 hours. One of the worst piles of half-ass garbage I'd seen in a while.

I can't believe the folks who have stated Nilsen was negative. His book was quite balanced, and even at times favorable, with Prince and the folks around him. DMSR is a go-to for me when references dates, etc. I've always said a great Prince fan is as much of a lover as a fighter. Critique and truth should come just as easily as praise and awards.

"Despite everything, no 1 can dictate who u r 2 other people." - Prince
Reply #81 posted 07/21/16 10:52am

technicolouredclimax

This sounds fantastic. I bought Possessed about 4-5 years ago just after I had read DMSR. I had to buy it from America (I'm in the UK) on Amazon for about £10. It took about a month to reach me and when it did, it was an old library book which I assume someone didn't return! I really enjoyed it, more than DMSR, which read more like a text book. Then about 6 months later, Amazon emailed me to ask if I wanted to sell it back to them for double what I had paid for it! Of course, I did and that's the end of my little Possessed story.
Great to see that new research will be taking place of the later years and I would be willing to pay for a hard copy, totally not interested in a download.
Also I think a kickstarter or crowdfunder is a great avenue to explore and I totally disagree that "Prince fans" are cheap and won't cough up. I think, given the opportunity, the vast majority of us would love to purchase and own properly released music, videos, concerts, books and just about any interesting merchandise.
Can't wait for this new book.
Reply #82 posted 07/21/16 11:47am

dystopiandanceparty

Wow, this sounds awesome--really looking forward to it!

Reply #83 posted 07/21/16 1:42pm

nursev

BartVanHemelen said:

 



nursev said:


Why is Possessed $345 on Amazon? thats not even cool  neutral



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Oh for crying out loud: demand and supply.


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More extreme: http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/why-did-amazon-charge-23698655-93-for-a-textbook/



[Flame snip - luv4u]
Reply #84 posted 07/21/16 5:53pm

purplethunder3121

technicolouredclimax said:

This sounds fantastic. I bought Possessed about 4-5 years ago just after I had read DMSR. I had to buy it from America (I'm in the UK) on Amazon for about £10. It took about a month to reach me and when it did, it was an old library book which I assume someone didn't return! I really enjoyed it, more than DMSR, which read more like a text book. Then about 6 months later, Amazon emailed me to ask if I wanted to sell it back to them for double what I had paid for it! Of course, I did and that's the end of my little Possessed story. Great to see that new research will be taking place of the later years and I would be willing to pay for a hard copy, totally not interested in a download. Also I think a kickstarter or crowdfunder is a great avenue to explore and I totally disagree that "Prince fans" are cheap and won't cough up. I think, given the opportunity, the vast majority of us would love to purchase and own properly released music, videos, concerts, books and just about any interesting merchandise. Can't wait for this new book.

That's nuts--I paid $10 for a used hardback copy not that many years ago.

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I'm not a man,
I am something that you’ll never understand...
Reply #85 posted 07/22/16 12:34am

TheSacrificeOfVictor

Unless it's called 'Purple Reign; nudge nudge, wink wink' and starts with "The pint-sized star, with hits like When Doves Cry and 1999", iiiiii ain't having none of it!

What it is?!?!
Reply #86 posted 07/22/16 2:04am

laurarichardson

2freaky4church1 said:

  Let's be nice.  Alex knows his shit. 


-/-- No he does not. His book was negative and now we know about all the good stuff his did.
Reply #87 posted 07/22/16 7:27am

PaisleyPrint

selah said:

boxed hmmm would rather have read his autobiography neutral

Me too. That's what I was waiting on. Think I'll just wait for the first 20 reviews on Amazon and the Org, then make my decision from there as to whether I want to buy it or not. wink

Reply #88 posted 07/22/16 8:57am

Identity

Let's be nice. Alex knows his shit.


Ditto. Before anyone consider lighting torches and brandishing pitchforks if Prince isn't elevated to sainthood in future writings, how about we give Alex the benefit of the doubt. He isn't a hit piece author.

Reply #89 posted 07/22/16 10:25am

purplethunder3121

Identity said:

Let's be nice. Alex knows his shit.


Ditto. Before anyone consider lighting torches and brandishing pitchforks if Prince isn't elevated to sainthood in future writings, how about we give Alex the benefit of the doubt. He isn't a hit piece author.

Those would be the ones buying candle holders with Prince emblazoned as a saint in robes on the side... razz

I'm not a woman,
I'm not a man,
I am something that you’ll never understand...
Reply #90 posted 07/22/16 12:11pm

LuxLove

The only book I'd be interested in at this point would be one that focused soley on the last 16 years- F the 80s purple rain blah blah, F the 90s name change & label war we've heard it all before.

Reply #91 posted 07/22/16 1:16pm

madhouseman

LuxLove said:

The only book I'd be interested in at this point would be one that focused soley on the last 16 years- F the 80s purple rain blah blah, F the 90s name change & label war we've heard it all before.

I don't think any of us have heard it all before because a lot of people who never spoke publicly about this era are speaking now.

Trust me on this one. You haven't heard it all and there are some incredible stories about his creativity and the relationships he had with those closest to him that are well worth reading about.

If you want to be updated about my book PRINCE: THE COMPLETE STUDIO SESSIONS (1983/84) go to https://www.facebook.com/...104195943/ and join the conversation.
Reply #92 posted 07/22/16 3:11pm

Bighead

bluegangsta said:

Have Prince's ashes even cooled down yet?




They're in Minnesota. Of course they have.
Reply #93 posted 07/22/16 4:58pm

purplethunder3121

Bighead said:

bluegangsta said:

Have Prince's ashes even cooled down yet?

They're in Minnesota. Of course they have.

razz lol

I'm not a woman,
I'm not a man,
I am something that you’ll never understand...
Reply #94 posted 07/22/16 7:47pm

bluegangsta

Bighead said:

bluegangsta said:

Have Prince's ashes even cooled down yet?

They're in Minnesota. Of course they have.


Always cry 4 love, never cry 4 pain.
Reply #95 posted 07/22/16 11:50pm

LuxLove

madhouseman said:

LuxLove said:

The only book I'd be interested in at this point would be one that focused soley on the last 16 years- F the 80s purple rain blah blah, F the 90s name change & label war we've heard it all before.

I don't think any of us have heard it all before because a lot of people who never spoke publicly about this era are speaking now.

Trust me on this one. You haven't heard it all and there are some incredible stories about his creativity and the relationships he had with those closest to him that are well worth reading about.

I personally have no interest in hearing anymore about those eras, particularly the 80s (there are too many people around who only focus on that period) so whatever else there is to know from back then I wouldn't pay money to hear it.

Reply #96 posted 07/23/16 12:32am

jjam

Maybe a limited print version can be done?

Reply #97 posted 07/23/16 2:27am

BartVanHemelen

laurarichardson said:

2freaky4church1 said:

Let's be nice. Alex knows his shit.

-/-- No he does not. His book was negative and now we know about all the good stuff his did.

.

Oh please. A couple of charitable donations don't wipe out his holier-than-thou act or his nonsensical chemtrails talks or him ripping off fans.

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Reply #98 posted 07/23/16 3:08am

NorthC

BartVanHemelen said:

 



laurarichardson said:


2freaky4church1 said:

  Let's be nice.  Alex knows his shit. 



-/-- No he does not. His book was negative and now we know about all the good stuff his did.

.


Oh please. A couple of charitable donations don't wipe out his holier-than-thou act or his nonsensical chemtrails talks or him ripping off fans.


lol That's our Mr. B again: always looking on the bright side of life! sun
Keep on rockin' in the free world
Reply #99 posted 07/23/16 5:44am

PURPLEIZED3121

BartVanHemelen said:

williamb610 said:

I just did a 180 and bought a Prince book on a whim. I had Per Nielson's book on Prince, previously, but it's lost at my parent's house. I'll probably get it again because it had so much info on Prince tracks, heard and unheard.

I got Matt Thorne's book on Prince(the Man and his Music) after getting excited about reading about some of the unheard tracks that he mentions; the previously unheard tracks are the things the get me riled up.

We'll see, if this new book, can hold a candle to either of them.

.

Matt Thorne's is mediocre at best.

in your opinion... Matt is a huge fan & produced someting that was easily accessible for the mainstream...like the many other artists who have had books written about them. They always vary from snapshot career profiles through to in depth analysis.

Reply #100 posted 07/23/16 5:49am

PURPLEIZED3121

BartVanHemelen said:

laurarichardson said:

2freaky4church1 said: -/-- No he does not. His book was negative and now we know about all the good stuff his did.

.

Oh please. A couple of charitable donations don't wipe out his holier-than-thou act or his nonsensical chemtrails talks or him ripping off fans.

a couple of charitable acts?...oh come on that's low even for you. We are talking about funding his staff through personal crisis, donations up to millions, personal phone calls of encouragement, he was a good man..FACT! Let's not forget the fact that he worked his ass off trhoughout years of chronic pain...you going to slay him for that too? BVH why do you make such comments & damage your credibility?

Reply #101 posted 07/23/16 5:51am

PURPLEIZED3121

BartVanHemelen said:

AlexHahn said:

The kickstarter option definitely interests me. As far as Matt Thorne and Ronin Ro go, they seem reasonably well researched, but don't have enough narrative flow for my liking.

[Edited 7/20/16 17:30pm]

.

Ronin's was hor-ri-ble. Dude just didn't seem to have any interest in the subject. He claimed Prince was working on TBA in December 1987 -- and no, that wasn't a typo.

.

WRT the Kickstarter: don't get your hopes up. The Prince community is cheap as fuck, and despite so many of them bitching about the price of Prince bios, very few of them actually buy and read any of them. Hell, even pointing them to PrinceVault seems to be insulting for a lot of them. I mean, there recently was a thread in which someone complained about Per Nilsen being too negative. Per Nilsen!

Hey MODS..can I ask how this is not classed as worthy of snip..surely it's bait?

Reply #102 posted 07/23/16 6:04am

PURPLEIZED3121

AlexHahn said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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Ronin's was hor-ri-ble. Dude just didn't seem to have any interest in the subject. He claimed Prince was working on TBA in December 1987 -- and no, that wasn't a typo.

.

WRT the Kickstarter: don't get your hopes up. The Prince community is cheap as fuck, and despite so many of them bitching about the price of Prince bios, very few of them actually buy and read any of them. Hell, even pointing them to PrinceVault seems to be insulting for a lot of them. I mean, there recently was a thread in which someone complained about Per Nilsen being too negative. Per Nilsen!

I agree, I felt that both both Thorne and Ro seemed pretty uninterested in the subject. What I would ilke to bring is the passion of a fan, a measure of journalistic focus, and an approach to writing that will make this a story, rather than just a collection of facts.

Alex I bought your book when it was released. I am of a similar age & have a very balanced view on Prince as a human..like all of us he had good points & bad points. Your book had some incredible detail but I found the overall tone to be hugely negative & firmly in tabloid territory.i.e. looking at a negative angle with the concluding message that he was a washed up has been...the book saddened me greatly. The irony of course is that he came back on a huge scale which kind of shot the credibility of your book down...the fatal mistake being that you should never doubt anyone with that much ability, energy & charisma.

Many, including myself are viewing this pending book as opportunistic given the speed of the projected turnaround. Therefore this time around I truly hope you will focus on the incredible good he has done on a human level & at least show some empathy with battle to keep working against a back drop of pain & in latter years addiction. He gave so much to so many...yes he made mistakes BUT who doesn't?! The endless love & tributes from artists young & old even months down the line speaks volumes & that is one hell of a legacy...hell monuments around the world were lit up in his honour...his imapct was huge & has left a huge void. From the heart I wish you & the book good luck...I will of course be buying it & truly hope that this time around there is a fair balance & reflection on what he achieved. Sorry for waffling on!

Reply #103 posted 07/23/16 7:36am

djThunderfunk

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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Ronin's was hor-ri-ble. Dude just didn't seem to have any interest in the subject. He claimed Prince was working on TBA in December 1987 -- and no, that wasn't a typo.

.

WRT the Kickstarter: don't get your hopes up. The Prince community is cheap as fuck, and despite so many of them bitching about the price of Prince bios, very few of them actually buy and read any of them. Hell, even pointing them to PrinceVault seems to be insulting for a lot of them. I mean, there recently was a thread in which someone complained about Per Nilsen being too negative. Per Nilsen!

Hey MODS..can I ask how this is not classed as worthy of snip..surely it's bait?


This is not bait, this is just Bart. Close, but one letter off... lol

Seriously though, Bart is not wrong on this. Look back at any of the threads about Prince books and you'll find limited interest here on the org. And it's also true many here would rather ask a question in a thread and wait for an answer than to click on PrinceVault and get the answer themselves faster than they could post the question. Many even consider it rude to point them to PrinceVault instead of answering their questions.

As far as the comment about a thread calling Per Nilsen negative, I missed that one. If true, that would be the thread that was bait. No?


"This is the kind of thread I show people when they say I' m a Prince nut. I just say nope, look here." - TheEnglishGent.
Reply #104 posted 07/23/16 7:39am

djThunderfunk

AlexHahn said:

I agree, I felt that both both Thorne and Ro seemed pretty uninterested in the subject. What I would ilke to bring is the passion of a fan, a measure of journalistic focus, and an approach to writing that will make this a story, rather than just a collection of facts.


Gotta disagree about Thorne. Uninterested? That guy's is obviously a fan and if anything it's his fandom and interest in the subject that hurt the book, not a lack therof. In my not-so-humble opinion, of course... wink

"This is the kind of thread I show people when they say I' m a Prince nut. I just say nope, look here." - TheEnglishGent.
Reply #105 posted 07/23/16 8:48am

NorthC

djThunderfunk said:

 



AlexHahn said:


 



I agree, I felt that both both Thorne and Ro seemed pretty uninterested in the subject.  What I would ilke to bring is the passion of a fan, a measure of journalistic focus, and an approach to writing that will make this a story, rather than just a collection of facts.  




Gotta disagree about Thorne. Uninterested? That guy's is obviously a fan and if anything it's his fandom and interest in the subject that hurt the book, not a lack therof. In my not-so-humble opinion, of course... wink


Your opinion may not be so humble, but neither is Alex. His post can be translated as: those books are no good, buy mine! My book is going to be much better!
Keep on rockin' in the free world
Reply #106 posted 07/23/16 2:30pm

PURPLEIZED3121

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/prince-the-secret-philanthropist-his-cause-was-humanity-20160425 Alex articles like that reinspire me. As a writer I would hope you knock on the door of people like Van Jones, Llondell. In latter years there was an obvious shift to being a better person, helping others, being hands on with countless other artists etc. The article above is one account of many out there. I am also hopeful that you will be empathetic to him or indeed anyone who had an addiction...lets save the hatchet jobs for TMZ! 1 question for you i guess...will your book focus on the whole picture i.e. music, health, relationships, business etc OR is this going to be purely a music focussed assessment / summary of his latter career? I assume many who worked with him will already be planning their own books so interviews might be harder?
Reply #107 posted 07/23/16 5:09pm

AlexHahn

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

months down the line speaks volumes & that is one hell of a legacy...hell monuments around the world were lit up in his honour...his imapct was huge & has left a huge void. From the heart I wish you & the book good luck...I will of course be buying it & truly hope that this time around there is a fair balance & reflection on what he achieved. Sorry for waffling on!

Thanks very much for taking the time to write. I'm sorry that the book saddened you, and I'm conscious that it has received a range of responses. And I greatly appreciate that even though you were troubled by the book in some measure you are willing to have a friendly exchange.

To address a couple of questions that have been raised, firstly, I am finding it fascinating to research the very early years of Prince's life. There is a lot of complicated history and prehistory. There are a lot of clues there for what happened later. I'm researching the entire history of the family. It's incredibly challenging research and writing, but very interesting. I'm very surprised at how fruitful it's been to revisit the very early years.

I view this book has some combination of history and narrative storytelling. Not to say that it will be perfect, but it will be different than the first one to be sure.

Thank you again for the comments and to the moderators of this awesome site for allowing us a forum to discuss the book.

Reply #108 posted 07/23/16 9:41pm

StopIt

Do Not feel the need to rush your writing efforts or exchages with your collaborators. This is a very challenging undertaking and will take time to continue to flush out and vet for the best quality outcome. Sorry for your family losses; cheers on allowing those to motivate your evolving works.

AlexHahn said:

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

months down the line speaks volumes & that is one hell of a legacy...hell monuments around the world were lit up in his honour...his imapct was huge & has left a huge void. From the heart I wish you & the book good luck...I will of course be buying it & truly hope that this time around there is a fair balance & reflection on what he achieved. Sorry for waffling on!

Thanks very much for taking the time to write. I'm sorry that the book saddened you, and I'm conscious that it has received a range of responses. And I greatly appreciate that even though you were troubled by the book in some measure you are willing to have a friendly exchange.

To address a couple of questions that have been raised, firstly, I am finding it fascinating to research the very early years of Prince's life. There is a lot of complicated history and prehistory. There are a lot of clues there for what happened later. I'm researching the entire history of the family. It's incredibly challenging research and writing, but very interesting. I'm very surprised at how fruitful it's been to revisit the very early years.

I view this book has some combination of history and narrative storytelling. Not to say that it will be perfect, but it will be different than the first one to be sure.

Thank you again for the comments and to the moderators of this awesome site for allowing us a forum to discuss the book.

Reply #109 posted 07/24/16 11:02am

AlexHahn

Thanks for the encouragement, excellent point. it is indeed challenging. My brain is almost frying in toggling back and forth between working on this book and legal work.

I have started a Facebook group where I will be posting regular updates updates about the book is going, including ongoing research, for those that would like to join.

Have a good weekend, everybody.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/309126952765104/

StopIt said:

Do Not feel the need to rush your writing efforts or exchages with your collaborators. This is a very challenging undertaking and will take time to continue to flush out and vet for the best quality outcome. Sorry for your family losses; cheers on allowing those to motivate your evolving works.

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Reply #110 posted 07/25/16 5:26am

PURPLEIZED3121

AlexHahn said:

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

months down the line speaks volumes & that is one hell of a legacy...hell monuments around the world were lit up in his honour...his imapct was huge & has left a huge void. From the heart I wish you & the book good luck...I will of course be buying it & truly hope that this time around there is a fair balance & reflection on what he achieved. Sorry for waffling on!

Thanks very much for taking the time to write. I'm sorry that the book saddened you, and I'm conscious that it has received a range of responses. And I greatly appreciate that even though you were troubled by the book in some measure you are willing to have a friendly exchange.

To address a couple of questions that have been raised, firstly, I am finding it fascinating to research the very early years of Prince's life. There is a lot of complicated history and prehistory. There are a lot of clues there for what happened later. I'm researching the entire history of the family. It's incredibly challenging research and writing, but very interesting. I'm very surprised at how fruitful it's been to revisit the very early years.

I view this book has some combination of history and narrative storytelling. Not to say that it will be perfect, but it will be different than the first one to be sure.

Thank you again for the comments and to the moderators of this awesome site for allowing us a forum to discuss the book.

appreciate the reply. I think his relationship with his father was critical [Dad seemed to resent his success? & perhaps wnated to share the credit?] Must admit I thought the book was going to carry on from the last one left off?..i'm now intrigued as it sounds like a rewite of the original + bringing right up to date?..if i am correct that would seem like too big a project to complete in such a short time? Good luck with it.

Reply #111 posted 07/25/16 2:25pm

wavesofbliss

i would like a proper look/dissection of his latter day work, 2000-2016. it wouldn't be as interesting but nevertheless. there are at least 8 albums of material worth mentioning. we are fundementally diffrent people in the first half of our lives compared to the second half, so we should keep our expectations realistic. none of his collaborators were that interesting and none of them had the kind of impact on his work that the earlier associates did. but i bet there is a small treasure of information there to be mined. at any rate, if i have to read about L&W, 'mountains' and 'the dream factory' again i'm gonna fight someone !!!

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i'd love to hear about the various incarnations of his touring band and more of the specifics about his "special event" shows and residencies. i got the feeling that ida felt the same way about andy that wendy felt about the expanded revolution and micheal b felt about mayte(what does she do?) prince seemed compelled to repeat issues/dynamics(for better or worse) and it would make some sense if it turned out to be true. i would love to hear his band memebers take on him. he appeared to have learned his lesson with the revolution mess(business not personal) and didn't want to repeat it until andy showed up and sorta blurred the lines a bit.

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and what about the other 3rdeye girls?

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i'd like to know the real deal with PP,the management, master tapes etc. as well as any future plans he had apart from the autobiography.

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and if anything new comes to light on the personal side of it so much the better.

Prince #MUSICIANICONLEGEND
Reply #112 posted 07/26/16 2:39am

BartVanHemelen

wavesofbliss said:

i would like a proper look/dissection of his latter day work, 2000-2016. it wouldn't be as interesting but nevertheless. there are at least 8 albums of material worth mentioning.

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And yet Prince wasn't interested in promoting them, playing the songs in concert or even keeping the albums in print.

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at any rate, if i have to read about L&W, 'mountains' and 'the dream factory' again i'm gonna fight someone !!!

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And yet I bet we still don't know the whole picture about that period, e.g. that there were plans for a musical and that some of it was reused as the segues in later tours. In the end it's that 1980s period that is the most interesting.

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Reply #113 posted 07/26/16 2:43am

BartVanHemelen

djThunderfunk said:

As far as the comment about a thread calling Per Nilsen negative, I missed that one. If true, that would be the thread that was bait. No?


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http://prince.org/msg/7/428860

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Why are so many books on Prince so negative?

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I'm yet to find a book on Prince that feels like it was written by someone who appreciates his work. Matt Thorne, Ronin Ro and Per Nielsen's books all are constantly critical of him to the point where I found myself wondering, why would you even bother writing a book about someone you have this much hostility towards? Ronin Ro's one is particularly bad. Parade through Lovesexy is portrayed as one disappointing flop after another. Really???

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I mean... seriously. Hell, if it wasn't for Nilsen's work, what would all those other biographers have copied?

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Reply #114 posted 07/26/16 5:01am

jjam

The irony of Bart complaining about negativity...

Reply #115 posted 07/26/16 5:14am

iZsaZsa

BartVanHemelen said:

 



wavesofbliss said:


i would like a proper look/dissection of his latter day work, 2000-2016. it wouldn't be as interesting but nevertheless. there are at least 8 albums of material worth mentioning.



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And yet Prince wasn't interested in promoting them, playing the songs in concert or even keeping the albums in print.


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 at any rate, if i have to read about L&W, 'mountains' and 'the dream factory' again i'm gonna fight someone !!!



.


And yet I bet we still don't know the whole picture about that period, e.g. that there were plans for a musical and that some of it was reused as the segues in later tours. In the end it's that 1980s period that is the most interesting.


That's fine, but I agree with wavesofbliss (bolded) - that's what I want too.
Reply #116 posted 07/26/16 5:31am

Dibblekins

I want to hear about ALL of it - as much detail on as much as possible, please! The music, the other ventures / projects, the personal life, the business dealings - I'm a voracious reader, and P is a fascinating subject!

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My main concern is, if the above is to be the case, as it really must - how on Earth will you fit it into one volume???

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Have you considered doing a multi-volume set, with each volume focusing on, say, a decade of his life? Yes, it would be an enormous undertaking - but it could be your opus, something never to be replicated by others...

Reply #117 posted 07/26/16 6:12am

djThunderfunk

BartVanHemelen said:

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Why are so many books on Prince so negative?

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I'm yet to find a book on Prince that feels like it was written by someone who appreciates his work. Matt Thorne, Ronin Ro and Per Nielsen's books all are constantly critical of him to the point where I found myself wondering, why would you even bother writing a book about someone you have this much hostility towards?

.

I mean... seriously. Hell, if it wasn't for Nilsen's work, what would all those other biographers have copied?


Yeah, anybody that has a problem with Per Nielsen should just stop reading about Prince.

"This is the kind of thread I show people when they say I' m a Prince nut. I just say nope, look here." - TheEnglishGent.
Reply #118 posted 07/26/16 6:15am

djThunderfunk

jjam said:

The irony of Bart complaining about negativity...


Except he's not. He's pointing out another thread where another poster was complaining about the negativity in books about Prince and commenting on the fact that said poster thinks Per Nielsen is too negative.

"This is the kind of thread I show people when they say I' m a Prince nut. I just say nope, look here." - TheEnglishGent.
Reply #119 posted 07/26/16 8:38am

Telecaster5

LuxLove said:

The only book I'd be interested in at this point would be one that focused soley on the last 16 years- F the 80s purple rain blah blah, F the 90s name change & label war we've heard it all before.

Agreed. I´d like more focus from 2000 on... he always said in interviews that he didn´t looked back, so why keep him stuck in Purple Rain and label war again?

I also hope that this will be a quality book as Jason Draper´s life & time, which I finally manage to buy last week and must say I´m absolutely in love with it !!!

Reply #120 posted 07/26/16 8:50am

Telecaster5

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

http://www.rollingstone.c...y-20160425 Alex articles like that reinspire me. As a writer I would hope you knock on the door of people like Van Jones, Llondell. In latter years there was an obvious shift to being a better person, helping others, being hands on with countless other artists etc. The article above is one account of many out there. I am also hopeful that you will be empathetic to him or indeed anyone who had an addiction...lets save the hatchet jobs for TMZ! 1 question for you i guess...will your book focus on the whole picture i.e. music, health, relationships, business etc OR is this going to be purely a music focussed assessment / summary of his latter career? I assume many who worked with him will already be planning their own books so interviews might be harder?

Thanks for sharing this article! That´s the kind of story we wanna read about!

Reply #121 posted 07/26/16 12:56pm

BartVanHemelen

Telecaster5 said:

LuxLove said:

The only book I'd be interested in at this point would be one that focused soley on the last 16 years- F the 80s purple rain blah blah, F the 90s name change & label war we've heard it all before.

Agreed. I´d like more focus from 2000 on... he always said in interviews that he didn´t looked back, so why keep him stuck in Purple Rain and label war again?

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Yet his concerts were 80%-90% Purple Rain-era material. He failed to promote or perform his latest music and didn't keep it in print. He has repeatedly used unreleased music from the 1980s to sell new projects ("Splash", "Empty Room", "Extralovable",...). His piano tour was a look back at his career. And I bet his bio/book would have largely focused on his 1980s hits.

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Reply #122 posted 07/26/16 1:06pm

TrivialPursuit

BartVanHemelen said:

And I bet his bio/book would have largely focused on his 1980s hits.


Well, that's assuming he's writing a book on how/why songs were written (maybe). I do think that when the WB struggle really kicked into gear, and took off, that he'd have written a lot about that as well. It's apple and oranges, but I do believe there were just as many stories to tell in the 90s (between WB, Mayte, the $100M deal, The Undertaker, etc) as there were for the 80s (relationships, band members, the movies, Black album/Lovesexy, etc). At least, that's what I'd have hoped for.

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"Despite everything, no 1 can dictate who u r 2 other people." - Prince
Reply #123 posted 07/27/16 8:28am

smoothcriminal12

BartVanHemelen said:

Telecaster5 said:

Agreed. I´d like more focus from 2000 on... he always said in interviews that he didn´t looked back, so why keep him stuck in Purple Rain and label war again?

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Yet his concerts were 80%-90% Purple Rain-era material. He failed to promote or perform his latest music and didn't keep it in print. He has repeatedly used unreleased music from the 1980s to sell new projects ("Splash", "Empty Room", "Extralovable",...). His piano tour was a look back at his career. And I bet his bio/book would have largely focused on his 1980s hits.

If only...would've loved to see it happen but we lost him so soon after he announced it.

But let's be honest, it probably would've been shelved anyways. lol

Reply #124 posted 07/27/16 11:24am

AlexHahn

Hey guys, thanks for the ongoing thoughts and questions. To address a few of the recent ones:

  1. It will definitely be a multi-volume biography. The pace of releases, and how the whole thing goes, will depend on how the first volume does.
  2. As far as what I hope to accomplish in the first volume, I'm trying to create a complete and accurate factual record, and to tell an incredibly important and interesting story about my/our favorite musician ever. There are definitely biographical stories that have been passed inaccurately from book to book, so I'd like to create a clearer and sounder record. (But I'm not perfect, anymore than anyone else.)
  3. As much as I love the comments on this thread, when people say "I'm not buying it unless there are new revelations," sorry, it's probably not the book for you, and I think you can save the cash. I'm not focussing on breathtaking revelations, but rather am trying to the story completely and with more texture than has been done to date. There is definitely new information out there (including stuff in the public domain that hasn't been widely disseminated) and I feel like Laura and I are on the verge of hitting on some pretty significant new stuff, but I'm not encouraging people to buy it for that reason.
  4. There will be a strong element of cultural history in the book, putting Prince's story and music in context and exploring how he impacted things. It also goes back very deep in time.
  5. I think that this book will be something that hardcore fans can geek out over, but that's by no means the sole intention -- I'd like it to a book that would interest even non-fans.
  6. We're planning on doing a kickstarter for a limited edition print version of the first volume, but want to wait until I'm closer to done to get it started.
  7. Thanks again for the ongoing interest. Please feel free to join the Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/309126952765104/
Reply #125 posted 07/28/16 1:58pm

Eileen

AlexHahn said:

We're planning on doing a kickstarter for a limited edition print version of the first volume, but want to wait until I'm closer to done to get it started.


Sounds great, glad to hear this. thumbs up!

Reply #126 posted 07/29/16 3:35pm

AnnaStesia10

Great Alex thank you for the update. I am down to purchase the limited edition print version of the 1st volume for sure!!

+++

Peace -

AnnaStesia10

"A strong spirit transcends rules." - Prince
Reply #127 posted 07/29/16 5:03pm

purplethunder3121

Eileen said:

AlexHahn said:

We're planning on doing a kickstarter for a limited edition print version of the first volume, but want to wait until I'm closer to done to get it started.


Sounds great, glad to hear this. thumbs up!

cool

I'm not a woman,
I'm not a man,
I am something that you’ll never understand...
Reply #128 posted 07/29/16 5:18pm

AlexHahn

Hey guys! Although this is perhaps of limited importance for we English-speakers who want to read the book, "Possessed" has been republished in German. It's called "Possessed: The Turbulent Life of Prince." I've posted some pics in the Facebook group, https://www.facebook.com/...952765104/

Reply #129 posted 07/29/16 6:52pm

wonder505

The timing of this thread doesnt sit right with me at all, but best of luck to you. The only book I would be interested in at this time are his memoirs. The little he was able to get out before his passing. should the family ever decide to release it. I would rather read his own words over and over.

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Reply #130 posted 07/30/16 6:51am

theartistirl

wonder505 said:

The timing of this thread doesnt sit right with me at all, but best of luck to you. The only book I would be interested in at this time are his memoirs. The little he was able to get out before his passing. should the family ever decide to release it. I would rather read his own words over and over.

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I'm with you. I am just not up for it and won't be buying. It is about the music for me. I am sure I am not perfect, and neither was Prince. He remained private, and I think I will respect that. I am currently reading Geroge Clinton's own book and enjoying it. It is so interesting to read about his influences, and journey in his own words. It is like a "word jigsaw" as you picture how everything evolved while reading.

Reply #131 posted 08/01/16 6:14am

BartVanHemelen

djThunderfunk said:

Seriously though, Bart is not wrong on this. Look back at any of the threads about Prince books and you'll find limited interest here on the org.

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Case in point: http://prince.org/msg/7/429955

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Now granted, that title is far from clear (I mean, why the fuck isn't the word "book" in that thread's title?), but still...

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Then again, this just proves the weakness of the Org, especially when it comes to news etc. If you're lucky it gets stickied or frontpaged, but even then chances are updates are buried somewhere on page 12.

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Reply #132 posted 08/01/16 9:15am

QueenofCardboard

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"Alternative Facts" Kellyanne Conway
Reply #133 posted 08/02/16 11:15am

CharlieGriffin

TrivialPursuit said:

Goddess4Real said:

I hope its not another cut and paste job (I can spot those a mile away!). Also I would like to see more info about The Time and Vanity 6 and the author's reaction to the Prince's show in Australia this year, in particular the Melbourne show...where Prince spoke so candidly. Thanks in advance biggrin


Did you read Possessed? It was far from a cut and paste job. If you want that, go get that heifer Liz Jones' book. She referenced most of the Oprah interview without one bit of credit to the show or its host or producers. God, I hated that I spent money on that. I bought it the same time I bought Crystal Ball.

Looked for it on Amazon, and the prices are outrageous, over $300! Not happening for me. A classic example of price gouging and freakin greeed. no no no!

Reply #134 posted 08/02/16 12:24pm

babynoz

theartistirl said:

wonder505 said:

The timing of this thread doesnt sit right with me at all, but best of luck to you. The only book I would be interested in at this time are his memoirs. The little he was able to get out before his passing. should the family ever decide to release it. I would rather read his own words over and over.

[Edited 7/29/16 18:53pm]

I'm with you. I am just not up for it and won't be buying. It is about the music for me. I am sure I am not perfect, and neither was Prince. He remained private, and I think I will respect that. I am currently reading Geroge Clinton's own book and enjoying it. It is so interesting to read about his influences, and journey in his own words. It is like a "word jigsaw" as you picture how everything evolved while reading.



yeahthat

Now there's even going to be a kickstarter. Shameless hustle. This is the second thread. He started the first one barely two weeks after Prince passed. disbelief


I enjoyed George Clinton's book too.

Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit
and for that, I am eternally grateful....IDF
Reply #135 posted 08/02/16 6:06pm

laurasmpls

I really loved the book possessed. I still can't get over the first page of the book is from April 21, 1986 with him having heart palpitations and drinking too much wine--pretty eerie. Bought the book for $9 on Amazon (that included shipping) on April 17 and it was shipped to me on the 23😞The people who were quoted in the book were some of the closest to him, so it seemed to document his genius and his humanity. He was as complex as they come and I look forward to an honest account of the man.
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Reply #136 posted 08/02/16 8:08pm

AlexHahn

laurasmpls said:

I really loved the book possessed. I still can't get over the first page of the book is from April 21, 1986 with him having heart palpitations and drinking too much wine--pretty eerie. Bought the book for $9 on Amazon (that included shipping) on April 17 and it was shipped to me on the 23😞The people who were quoted in the book were some of the closest to him, so it seemed to document his genius and his humanity. He was as complex as they come and I look forward to an honest account of the man.
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Thanks very much Laura😀
Reply #137 posted 08/02/16 8:43pm

luvgirl

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I just want you here, I just want you near me baby, cause I'm scared I'll cry, I love you like crazy.
~RIP~
Reply #138 posted 08/03/16 1:35am

Krystalkisses

AlexHahn said:

  1. We're planning on doing a kickstarter for a limited edition print version of the first volume, but want to wait until I'm closer to done to get it started.

I'm interested in a print version as well. wave

Reply #139 posted 08/03/16 3:58am

Purplestar88

Good luck with your book but I am not interested in it. I have yet to read a bio about Prince that make me feel like I know more about him.

Reply #140 posted 08/04/16 7:52pm

keslie70

CharlieGriffin said:

 



TrivialPursuit said:


 



Goddess4Real said:


I hope its not another cut and paste job (I can spot those a mile away!). Also I would like to see more info about The Time and Vanity 6 and the author's reaction to the Prince's show in Australia this year, in particular the Melbourne show...where Prince spoke so candidly. Thanks in advance biggrin




Did you read Possessed?  It was far from a cut and paste job.  If you want that, go get that heifer Liz Jones' book.  She referenced most of the Oprah interview without one bit of credit to the show or its host or producers.  God, I hated that I spent money on that.  I bought it the same time I bought Crystal Ball.



Looked for it on Amazon, and the prices are outrageous, over $300!  Not happening for me.  A classic example of price gouging and freakin greeed. no no no!



Those prices are crazy, especially when some people are selling "former" library books with the stickers on them. The important thing to remember is that Alex has nothing to do with that and he's not making money from other people selling his book. I've noticed that people here have asked Alex to re-release or revisit the book. Please consider his invitation to join the Facebook page, I did and it's been cool to see the team communicate with the members and ask for feedback. I like where they're going with this and appreciate what the team is doing.
Reply #141 posted 08/06/16 5:16am

LauraTiebert

Kelsie70, you are 100% correct, Make the House Shake is NO cut and paste job. I can attest that Alex and I are spending hundreds of hours (no doubt soon to be thousands) on our own original research and writing. There is no cutting corners here -- ask my poor family who's wondering what I'm doing all these early mornings and late nights!

Also echoing Kelsie70's words here ... over on the Make the House Shake Facebook page, we're looking for input from Prince fans and are having a blast learning from each other via some very active discussions. The book will ultimately be richer for these conversations. Please join us! We value everyone's input! Here's the link: https://www.facebook.com/...952765104/

HUGE thanks to everyone here for their support and of course to the Org. How incredibly lucky are we as Prince fans to have this place as our online home? What an incredible resource and gift to Prince fans (and researchers and writers) everywhere.

Reply #142 posted 08/06/16 5:32am

luvgirl

Mr Hahn: Looking forward to reading this book and the updated Possessed. Vanity is a beloved protégé here from us Prince fans. Would love to see more updated information on the Prince and Vanity era if possible.
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I just want you here, I just want you near me baby, cause I'm scared I'll cry, I love you like crazy.
~RIP~
Reply #143 posted 08/06/16 8:46am

Misslink88

If you consider all of the things Prince predicted, drove or spear-headed in the industry, this could be a very good work in the classical "hero's journey" sense.

The concept was introduced by Joseph Campbell in The Hero with a Thousand Faces (1949), who described the basic narrative pattern as follows:

A hero ventures forth from the world of common day into a region of supernatural wonder: fabulous forces are there encountered and a decisive victory is won: the hero comes back from this mysterious adventure with the power to bestow boons on his fellow man

God is my Sugar Daddy.
Reply #144 posted 08/06/16 8:58am

LauraTiebert

Oh, wow!! MissLink88, funny you should mention "hero's journey." Developing that type of story arc has been very much in the forefront of our minds as we craft the book. I've always admired "The Writer's Journey" by Christopher Vogler and use it often.

I'd love to hear more from anyone who has thoughts on Prince's life as a hero's journey (if this thought process sounds nuts to those who aren't writers, you've now gotten a glimpse into how the sausage gets made! LOL). I'm going to start a thread over on our FB page so we can discuss "the hero's journey" idea in more depth. Please join us!

Luvgirl, we are currently working hard on Prince's early years and the second volume will include Vanity. Noted that readers want more of Prince and Vanity!

Reply #145 posted 08/06/16 12:11pm

Misslink88

LauraTiebert said:

Oh, wow!! MissLink88, funny you should mention "hero's journey." Developing that type of story arc has been very much in the forefront of our minds as we craft the book. I've always admired "The Writer's Journey" by Christopher Vogler and use it often.

I'd love to hear more from anyone who has thoughts on Prince's life as a hero's journey (if this thought process sounds nuts to those who aren't writers, you've now gotten a glimpse into how the sausage gets made! LOL). I'm going to start a thread over on our FB page so we can discuss "the hero's journey" idea in more depth. Please join us!

Luvgirl, we are currently working hard on Prince's early years and the second volume will include Vanity. Noted that readers want more of Prince and Vanity!

Agreed, Laura. When you look at his contributions as a whole, he doesn't get nearly enough credit for his maverick ways and ensuing changes. In essence, he was kinda like the "scout" you send out to scope the terrain and report back before you venture on any path.

God is my Sugar Daddy.
Reply #146 posted 08/06/16 1:48pm

destinyc1

Mr Hahn ,How much will the book cost?I will purchase it.

[Edited 8/12/16 14:43pm]

Reply #147 posted 08/10/16 6:09pm

Morningstarlet

I was finally able to get Possessed from the library and started reading it tonight. So far I like it. biggrin
Reply #148 posted 08/16/16 4:06am

PURPLEIZED3121

BartVanHemelen said:

Telecaster5 said:

Agreed. I´d like more focus from 2000 on... he always said in interviews that he didn´t looked back, so why keep him stuck in Purple Rain and label war again?

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Yet his concerts were 80%-90% Purple Rain-era material. He failed to promote or perform his latest music and didn't keep it in print. He has repeatedly used unreleased music from the 1980s to sell new projects ("Splash", "Empty Room", "Extralovable",...). His piano tour was a look back at his career. And I bet his bio/book would have largely focused on his 1980s hits.

Bart you must be genuinley pleased that you no longer will ever have to hear him play his hits again...you got your wish. How much the vast majority of us though would give just to him play those damned hits again.

Prince kept his audiences - on the whole - blissfully happy across the world. A big part of the global love shown is through his consistent touring, after shows etc. He connected in a unique way & we miss him dearly. So, kindly look back & focus on the good memories he gave you & please find something good to say & at least respect the fact that he recorded & performed for years in pain.

Reply #149 posted 09/02/16 1:00pm

djThunderfunk

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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Yet his concerts were 80%-90% Purple Rain-era material. He failed to promote or perform his latest music and didn't keep it in print. He has repeatedly used unreleased music from the 1980s to sell new projects ("Splash", "Empty Room", "Extralovable",...). His piano tour was a look back at his career. And I bet his bio/book would have largely focused on his 1980s hits.

Bart you must be genuinley pleased that you no longer will ever have to hear him play his hits again...you got your wish. How much the vast majority of us though would give just to him play those damned hits again.

Prince kept his audiences - on the whole - blissfully happy across the world. A big part of the global love shown is through his consistent touring, after shows etc. He connected in a unique way & we miss him dearly. So, kindly look back & focus on the good memories he gave you & please find something good to say & at least respect the fact that he recorded & performed for years in pain.


There's no denying Bart's bitterness, but, he's not wrong. I expect within a couple years we'll see a live album, most likely a compilation. It will probably be focused on the hits and my attitude will be "meh, the aftershows are better". I know the last time I saw him live (Louisville 2015) I was disappointed in the focus on hits. That said, it was clear that the vast majority of those in attendence just saw one of the best shows of their lives. So, it is what it is. That's what's so great about Prince, there's something for everyone. Even Bart. (You know he loves something about Prince since he's still here & still grumbling). biggrin

"This is the kind of thread I show people when they say I' m a Prince nut. I just say nope, look here." - TheEnglishGent.
Reply #150 posted 09/10/16 4:12am

fortuneandserendipity

2freaky4church1 said:

Let's be nice. Alex knows his shit.

pimp

Those two sentences are wild. Man.

"Musically way ahead of any of us" - Elton John on P

"I am a dyed-in-the-wool Englishman!" - Mozart (EU hater)


If most of the vault is like 'OLD FRIENDS 4 SALE' (8/10) prepare to be amazed, if it's more like NPG CLUB albums then don't expect much

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