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Thread started 07/13/16 2:30pm

CharismaDove

It's pointless to get into Prince's personal life

I don't give a flying shit anymore about Prince's personal life.

Yeah I know it sounds harsh and I don't mean to be disrespectful to the deceased, but even bothering to get into his personal life is frustrating, mostly based on speculation, and overall pointless because we get so few answers. These feelings first arose when he passed — I always believed Prince's anti drug stance and I remember a time when some P fans used to make fun of MJ for overdosing (lol). I always believed Prince was in the right and that, even though he had demons like us all, his life was all music and he'd go on for another few decades. His sudden drug-related death made me realize I actually didn't know jack shit about Prince in the first place. He closed himself off personally from us in life, and now it's time we throw in the towel and admit we know very little of his life. I find it ironic how fans rush to defend Prince on things like his sexuality, rumors about him, and such. My question is how do you know and why even bother? This time last year we would have laughed someone out of the room if they so much as implied Prince was into drugs. At this point if Prince turned out to have been a Satanic homosexual in life (aka the opposite of the religious womanizer he portrayed, for anyone who took that wrong), I honestly wouldn't be surprised because I've confirmed to myself and accepted that the guy kept his life totally secret. We honestly don't really know him. We just know his career. I mean for fucks sake half of the people he dealt with called him a dick and the other half love him. He himself contradicted himself countless times.

I'm not trying to say Prince was a bad person. He had a profound effect on millions and certainly did good deeds in his life... But let's stop acting like we knew him. It's pointless to defend someone who, unknown to us, could actually be guilty of what acquaintances claim about him. I guess what I'm trying to say is — I'm done defending and speculating about this guy because it just leads to frustration and no solid answers in the end. Vanity or Mayte? Idk, let's make a 200 page thread that doesn't confirm anything. The most recent example is the autopsy report - talk about the most limited info available lol. We knew Prince overdosed since April, all we learned was the name of the drug. While most celebs' fans get the full report, we're gonna be here a year later still speculating if he was on meds for pain or not, how long he was on it, what fully happened that night etc. EVERYTHING about Prince is mysterious. So why even bother getting into his life if you'll never get a solid answer for anything?

Personally, I felt better when I stopped caring about Prince's life and death and instead focused on the music. That's the only thing we can be sure of. May Prince RIP. I'm hoping for an intelligent mature discussion.
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Reply #1 posted 07/13/16 2:39pm

avajane

I'm with you on that simply because I respect him and his memory. The only thing he gave us was his music, and although he had his muses for his songs, once those songs were released to the public, we formed our own stories through those songs so that they became ours as well, not totally ours but you know what I mean. Nonetheless, everyone has the right to express their opinon as pointless as it may seem. The best you can do is to ignore those conversations because they always end up leading to nothing and it becomes pure speculation.
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Reply #2 posted 07/13/16 2:55pm

justAmeda

I agree with you CharismaDove. Those that did known him even if they did know anything that would put him in a negative light would most likely not do so out of a sense of loyalty to Prince but also a sense of not wanting fans to see him in that kind of light. I think the ones in the past who worked with him or knew him and told of their negative encounters are probably telling truths. I also think that those who knew him and tell of their postive encounters with him are probaby telling truths as well. My personal belief is there was only one perfect sinless man that ever walke this earth and he died and rose again over 2000 yrs ago. Anyone before or after him is going to show both sides of their coins the rest of their lives.

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Reply #3 posted 07/13/16 3:15pm

RachB65

CharismaDove said:

I don't give a flying shit anymore about Prince's personal life.

Yeah I know it sounds harsh and I don't mean to be disrespectful to the deceased, but even bothering to get into his personal life is frustrating, mostly based on speculation, and overall pointless because we get so few answers. These feelings first arose when he passed — I always believed Prince's anti drug stance and I remember a time when some P fans used to make fun of MJ for overdosing (lol). I always believed Prince was in the right and that, even though he had demons like us all, his life was all music and he'd go on for another few decades. His sudden drug-related death made me realize I actually didn't know jack shit about Prince in the first place. He closed himself off personally from us in life, and now it's time we throw in the towel and admit we know very little of his life. I find it ironic how fans rush to defend Prince on things like his sexuality, rumors about him, and such. My question is how do you know and why even bother? This time last year we would have laughed someone out of the room if they so much as implied Prince was into drugs. At this point if Prince turned out to have been a Satanic homosexual in life (aka the opposite of the religious womanizer he portrayed, for anyone who took that wrong), I honestly wouldn't be surprised because I've confirmed to myself and accepted that the guy kept his life totally secret. We honestly don't really know him. We just know his career. I mean for fucks sake half of the people he dealt with called him a dick and the other half love him. He himself contradicted himself countless times.

I'm not trying to say Prince was a bad person. He had a profound effect on millions and certainly did good deeds in his life... But let's stop acting like we knew him. It's pointless to defend someone who, unknown to us, could actually be guilty of what acquaintances claim about him. I guess what I'm trying to say is — I'm done defending and speculating about this guy because it just leads to frustration and no solid answers in the end. Vanity or Mayte? Idk, let's make a 200 page thread that doesn't confirm anything. The most recent example is the autopsy report - talk about the most limited info available lol. We knew Prince overdosed since April, all we learned was the name of the drug. While most celebs' fans get the full report, we're gonna be here a year later still speculating if he was on meds for pain or not, how long he was on it, what fully happened that night etc. EVERYTHING about Prince is mysterious. So why even bother getting into his life if you'll never get a solid answer for anything?

Personally, I felt better when I stopped caring about Prince's life and death and instead focused on the music. That's the only thing we can be sure of. May Prince RIP. I'm hoping for an intelligent mature discussion.


It was not the autopsy report we saw but only the death certificate...
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Reply #4 posted 07/13/16 3:40pm

CharismaDove

RachB65 said:

CharismaDove said:

It was not the autopsy report we saw but only the death certificate...


http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2016/06/02/princes-autopsy-report/

It stated his official cause of death.

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Reply #5 posted 07/13/16 3:42pm

CharismaDove

avajane said:

I'm with you on that simply because I respect him and his memory. The only thing he gave us was his music, and although he had his muses for his songs, once those songs were released to the public, we formed our own stories through those songs so that they became ours as well, not totally ours but you know what I mean. Nonetheless, everyone has the right to express their opinon as pointless as it may seem. The best you can do is to ignore those conversations because they always end up leading to nothing and it becomes pure speculation.

Agreed. regardless, people will continue to probe into his personal life and/or treat him like a flawless figure who must be protected. im at peace with that, no way to stop it. I'm just glad i took myself out of there.

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Reply #6 posted 07/13/16 3:42pm

CharismaDove

justAmeda said:

I agree with you CharismaDove. Those that did known him even if they did know anything that would put him in a negative light would most likely not do so out of a sense of loyalty to Prince but also a sense of not wanting fans to see him in that kind of light. I think the ones in the past who worked with him or knew him and told of their negative encounters are probably telling truths. I also think that those who knew him and tell of their postive encounters with him are probaby telling truths as well. My personal belief is there was only one perfect sinless man that ever walke this earth and he died and rose again over 2000 yrs ago. Anyone before or after him is going to show both sides of their coins the rest of their lives.

very good point.

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Reply #7 posted 07/13/16 3:47pm

rightbluecheek

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I agree with you. Prince all his life has kept giving hints of this and that, contradicting himself like you say, and that was basically the thing, beside music, that kept the attention on him.
At a certain point I really got fed up with the whole thing, besides not really liking the music he was releasing, and the image he was portraying.
It's like it all was based on frustration, I hope you'll understand what I'm trying to say, of not really knowing what he meant, or what he thought. You always had these conflicting messages and the conflicting emotions that came with them, cause he had a contradictory personality.
I wrote in another thread that for some reason one month before he passed I felt some kind of need to get back to him, and I saw a different man than the one I had left, more matured, less contradictory, more clear. His passing just reversed this whole thing back again to mystery, and people pulling each other's hair about him...I got caught up in it back again for a while, but It's not for me anymore.
I love you Prince nonetheless. Your music opened my mind. May you rest in peace now.
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Reply #8 posted 07/13/16 4:03pm

BillieBalloon

Regarding his anti drugs stance. This for me has been problematic too. I've thought about it and I can only conclude that in Prince's mind prescription painkillers, whether you are addicted or not, are not drugs in the sense Heroin, Crack and Cocaine are. I think because pain pills legally available with a prescription Prince did not view himself as a drug user, certainly not in the traditional sense we think of as anyway. I think he was probably in denial about his drug dependency and although he was seeking help at the end it was too little too late. I think many people addicted to pain pills wouldn't dream of taking a drug like Heroin even though some opioids have the same effect. Fentanyl is 50 or so times stronger than heroin, but the difference is that Fentanyl is not illegal if obtained through a doctor. So to those ends I think Prince could carry on promoting his anti drugs stance even though he was taking prescription drugs.
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Reply #9 posted 07/13/16 4:06pm

morningsong

I get how you feel. But truth be told a lot of people can not actually know a person they sleep next to everyday, if that person chooses to hide, it happens all the time.


As far as Prince goes, I gave up on trying to figure out various personally things going on in his life a while before he passed, so I pretty much take a lot of things now worth a grain of salt, it's entertainment. It still doesn't stop me from enjoying things I hear from people who were part of his everyday life. I'm not giving that up. I still care about him as a person even though he may not be all that I dreamed him to be, I think I'm capable of separated my fantasy from the reality. So far I like the guy.

All the speculation stuff, we've just ran out of fuel. The minute some new tidbit of information presents itself this place will be ablaze.

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Reply #10 posted 07/13/16 4:15pm

rogifan

BillieBalloon said:

Regarding his anti drugs stance. This for me has been problematic too. I've thought about it and I can only conclude that in Prince's mind prescription painkillers, whether you are addicted or not, are not drugs in the sense Heroin, Crack and Cocaine are. I think because pain pills legally available with a prescription Prince did not view himself as a drug user, certainly not in the traditional sense we think of as anyway. I think he was probably in denial about his drug dependency and although he was seeking help at the end it was too little too late. I think many people addicted to pain pills wouldn't dream of taking a drug like Heroin even though some opioids have the same effect. Fentanyl is 50 or so times stronger than heroin, but the difference is that Fentanyl is not illegal if obtained through a doctor. So to those ends I think Prince could carry on promoting his anti drugs stance even though he was taking prescription drugs.

This isn't directed at you personally but maybe we all need to stop with "I think..." because it's all speculation. The only fact we have is the medical examiner's report. And all that told us was the cause of death. Nothing from the official investigation has been released. We don't know why Prince was using painkillers or for how long. We can speculate but at the end of the day that's all it is. I don't see what the point is. Can't see how it brings anyone closure. For me personally I've accepted that the ME report might be all we get and my closure is nothing else that could come out is going to bring him back so I don't see the point in knowing. I don't care what the tabloids print or what the media says. It can't take away from Prince's legacy in any way. So I say let the man rest in peace. 💜
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Reply #11 posted 07/13/16 4:23pm

nursev

Hell we got no answers about his personal life when he was alive either lol so what's the difference? No matter what orgers know when to cut it off and not to go to far cuz in the end we all really loved Prince as a person. Im not gonna say anything to disrespect his memory and when he was alive I tried my best not to hurt his feelings then either, but hell I wanna know lol

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Reply #12 posted 07/13/16 4:25pm

BillieBalloon

rogifan said:

BillieBalloon said:

Regarding his anti drugs stance. This for me has been problematic too. I've thought about it and I can only conclude that in Prince's mind prescription painkillers, whether you are addicted or not, are not drugs in the sense Heroin, Crack and Cocaine are. I think because pain pills legally available with a prescription Prince did not view himself as a drug user, certainly not in the traditional sense we think of as anyway. I think he was probably in denial about his drug dependency and although he was seeking help at the end it was too little too late. I think many people addicted to pain pills wouldn't dream of taking a drug like Heroin even though some opioids have the same effect. Fentanyl is 50 or so times stronger than heroin, but the difference is that Fentanyl is not illegal if obtained through a doctor. So to those ends I think Prince could carry on promoting his anti drugs stance even though he was taking prescription drugs.

This isn't directed at you personally but maybe we all need to stop with "I think..." because it's all speculation. The only fact we have is the medical examiner's report. And all that told us was the cause of death. Nothing from the official investigation has been released. We don't know why Prince was using painkillers or for how long. We can speculate but at the end of the day that's all it is. I don't see what the point is. Can't see how it brings anyone closure. For me personally I've accepted that the ME report might be all we get and my closure is nothing else that could come out is going to bring him back so I don't see the point in knowing. I don't care what the tabloids print or what the media says. It can't take away from Prince's legacy in any way. So I say let the man rest in peace. 💜

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I didn't mention anything about WHY prince was using painkillers. I was addressing the op's point about reconciling Prince's anti drugs stance with the fact that he died of a drugs overdose. I was giving my opinion on this as the op asked for a discussion. No we dont know for how long but we do know prince sought the services of an addiction specialist. Why don't you calm down...
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Reply #13 posted 07/13/16 4:37pm

laytonian

CharismaDove said:

RachB65 said:

CharismaDove said: It was not the autopsy report we saw but only the death certificate...


http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2016/06/02/princes-autopsy-report/

It stated his official cause of death.

.

It's still just a death certificate. That website is not a legitimate source to define the difference between a full autopsy report (sealed by MN law for 30 years) and a death certificate.

It really is important not to confuse the two.

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Reply #14 posted 07/13/16 5:00pm

derrick31

CharismaDove said:



RachB65 said:


CharismaDove said:


It was not the autopsy report we saw but only the death certificate...


http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2016/06/02/princes-autopsy-report/

It stated his official cause of death.



This website is using the wrong term. What we saw was a death certificate. If you want to see what an autopsy report looks like, just google Michael Jackson autopsy report. It's 40 or 50 pages long. I'm sure Prince's is about the same length.
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Reply #15 posted 07/13/16 5:12pm

derrick31

nursev said:

Hell we got no answers about his personal life when he was alive either lol so what's the difference? No matter what orgers know when to cut it off and not to go to far cuz in the end we all really loved Prince as a person. Im not gonna say anything to disrespect his memory and when he was alive I tried my best not to hurt his feelings then either, but hell I wanna know lol




Celebrities are funny. They want our attention, love, adoration, and money. However, when fans want to know more about them, they are labeled intrusive. No matter what these celebs think, life doesn't work that way. Prince was a big-time celebrity and I'll give it to him, he did a great job of concealing his personal life from his fans. However, it all going to come out one day. Money talks and there are plenty of people who were on his payroll who aren't getting a check anymore. Eventually they will publish their stories about Prince. Too bad his family won't speak up for him before that happens.
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Reply #16 posted 07/13/16 5:37pm

Mumio

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laytonian said:

CharismaDove said:


http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2016/06/02/princes-autopsy-report/

It stated his official cause of death.

.

It's still just a death certificate. That website is not a legitimate source to define the difference between a full autopsy report (sealed by MN law for 30 years) and a death certificate.

It really is important not to confuse the two.

.


I've brought this up before on a different post or two...the document is not even termed a death certificate, it is called a Release of Public Data Report: http://www.anokacounty.us...iew/10066. The Press Release cover sheet doesn't state death certificate anywhere on it. We have not seen the death certificate. From what I saw of Minnesota death certificate images in Google, it doesn't look like one either. Anyone with MN legal knowledge know differently?

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Reply #17 posted 07/13/16 5:58pm

3rdeyedude

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Actually all the information coming out has helped me deal with his loss better. It makes him seem more real to me. Before I had always put him on a pedestal so his death hit me hard. I guess we all have different ways of dealing with the fact that he is gone now.

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Reply #18 posted 07/13/16 6:02pm

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Do you realize Prince was a human being, isn't it? so, we are all of us a big bag of contradictions, as life itself; we are here to try to get all our shit togheter, to do as we preach.

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Reply #19 posted 07/13/16 6:10pm

Blakbear

derrick31 said:

nursev said:

Hell we got no answers about his personal life when he was alive either lol so what's the difference? No matter what orgers know when to cut it off and not to go to far cuz in the end we all really loved Prince as a person. Im not gonna say anything to disrespect his memory and when he was alive I tried my best not to hurt his feelings then either, but hell I wanna know lol

Celebrities are funny. They want our attention, love, adoration, and money. However, when fans want to know more about them, they are labeled intrusive. No matter what these celebs think, life doesn't work that way. Prince was a big-time celebrity and I'll give it to him, he did a great job of concealing his personal life from his fans. However, it all going to come out one day. Money talks and there are plenty of people who were on his payroll who aren't getting a check anymore. Eventually they will publish their stories about Prince. Too bad his family won't speak up for him before that happens.

Funny thing is, I'm with him on this. All I deserve to get is the cd or the concert. His business is his business, you know? Paying for that cd, that ticket, that movie doesn't grant me access to anything but the cd, concert, or movie. It's true -- demanding to know more than that really is intrusive, and it doesn't matter if they're a celebrity or not. I guess I've always found it slightly creepy to go digging past the public persona they choose to share. I mean, I sort of get wanting to know more, but I mostly don't. Why do people want to know more than a person is willing to share? It's so foreign to me to want to know that much more about them.

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Reply #20 posted 07/13/16 6:22pm

luvsexy4all

i only care if its within his music...especially the unreleased stuff

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Reply #21 posted 07/13/16 6:33pm

endiadj

Blakbear said:

derrick31 said:

nursev said: Celebrities are funny. They want our attention, love, adoration, and money. However, when fans want to know more about them, they are labeled intrusive. No matter what these celebs think, life doesn't work that way. Prince was a big-time celebrity and I'll give it to him, he did a great job of concealing his personal life from his fans. However, it all going to come out one day. Money talks and there are plenty of people who were on his payroll who aren't getting a check anymore. Eventually they will publish their stories about Prince. Too bad his family won't speak up for him before that happens.

Funny thing is, I'm with him on this. All I deserve to get is the cd or the concert. His business is his business, you know? Paying for that cd, that ticket, that movie doesn't grant me access to anything but the cd, concert, or movie. It's true -- demanding to know more than that really is intrusive, and it doesn't matter if they're a celebrity or not. I guess I've always found it slightly creepy to go digging past the public persona they choose to share. I mean, I sort of get wanting to know more, but I mostly don't. Why do people want to know more than a person is willing to share? It's so foreign to me to want to know that much more about them.

ITA! And I hate when people say about a celebs loss of privacy "it comes with the territory." It shouldn't. Just cause someone is a celeb doesn't mean they should be devoid of their privacy, especially when it comes to their kids, family, their medical situations, etc. What they choose to share with us is all that should be shared with us. And if one celeb is very media friendly doesn't mean we should expect them all to be the same way.

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Reply #22 posted 07/13/16 7:00pm

nursev

derrick31 said:

nursev said:

Hell we got no answers about his personal life when he was alive either lol so what's the difference? No matter what orgers know when to cut it off and not to go to far cuz in the end we all really loved Prince as a person. Im not gonna say anything to disrespect his memory and when he was alive I tried my best not to hurt his feelings then either, but hell I wanna know lol

Celebrities are funny. They want our attention, love, adoration, and money. However, when fans want to know more about them, they are labeled intrusive. No matter what these celebs think, life doesn't work that way. Prince was a big-time celebrity and I'll give it to him, he did a great job of concealing his personal life from his fans. However, it all going to come out one day. Money talks and there are plenty of people who were on his payroll who aren't getting a check anymore. Eventually they will publish their stories about Prince. Too bad his family won't speak up for him before that happens.

Its sad, but all true. At first I thought maybe he had that on lock from the grave with the confidentiality agreements, but you have a point. Money will run out and folks will talk.

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Reply #23 posted 07/13/16 7:02pm

luvsexy4all

nursev said:

derrick31 said:

nursev said: Celebrities are funny. They want our attention, love, adoration, and money. However, when fans want to know more about them, they are labeled intrusive. No matter what these celebs think, life doesn't work that way. Prince was a big-time celebrity and I'll give it to him, he did a great job of concealing his personal life from his fans. However, it all going to come out one day. Money talks and there are plenty of people who were on his payroll who aren't getting a check anymore. Eventually they will publish their stories about Prince. Too bad his family won't speak up for him before that happens.

Its sad, but all true. At first I thought maybe he had that on lock from the grave with the confidentiality agreements, but you have a point. Money will run out and folks will talk.

at least SOME people will realize u wont be able to believe most of what will be said

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Reply #24 posted 07/13/16 7:05pm

nursev

luvsexy4all said:

nursev said:

Its sad, but all true. At first I thought maybe he had that on lock from the grave with the confidentiality agreements, but you have a point. Money will run out and folks will talk.

at least SOME people will realize u wont be able to believe most of what will be said

True, but how will you deal with it when it is finally out there? I mean Prince is gone now but will it change your admiration for him?

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Reply #25 posted 07/13/16 7:07pm

luvsexy4all

nursev said:

luvsexy4all said:

at least SOME people will realize u wont be able to believe most of what will be said

True, but how will you deal with it when it is finally out there? I mean Prince is gone now but will it change your admiration for him?

only if i find out he stole music or something like that..

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Reply #26 posted 07/13/16 7:11pm

destinyc1

Half the stories leaked are from celebs themselves.

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Reply #27 posted 07/13/16 7:17pm

endiadj

destinyc1 said:

Half the stories leaked are from celebs themselves.

you think prince leaked, if so, which ones? he certainly won't be leaking any now. what's funny is since his passing so many good stories about him have come out, charity work, great stories from colleagues, etc. many of the bad stories were told while he was still alive.

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Reply #28 posted 07/13/16 7:23pm

luvsexy4all

endiadj said:

destinyc1 said:

Half the stories leaked are from celebs themselves.

you think prince leaked, if so, which ones? he certainly won't be leaking any now. what's funny is since his passing so many good stories about him have come out, charity work, great stories from colleagues, etc. many of the bad stories were told while he was still alive.

the troy beyer thing ...

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Reply #29 posted 07/13/16 7:25pm

nursev

luvsexy4all said:

endiadj said:

you think prince leaked, if so, which ones? he certainly won't be leaking any now. what's funny is since his passing so many good stories about him have come out, charity work, great stories from colleagues, etc. many of the bad stories were told while he was still alive.

the troy beyer thing ...

We all knew about Troy years ago though didnt we? I know I did lol

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