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Thread started 06/15/16 8:19am

khelm9

I don't get it with the bootlegs

Why is everyone so up in arms over people buying bootlegs? Prince is sadly no longer with us, and anyone that would profit off the sale of his music at this point has about as much right to it as we do. Frankly P did his fans a disservice throughout the years by not letting his albums get re-mastered on CD. I know the issues with record labels were partly to blame, but come on, it could have gotten done. Well guess what? I just got the 2011 Purple Rain remaster and it sounds incredible. I will have 1999 and Controversy here in the next few weeks. These should have been out a long time ago. Sorry but I don't feel bad about buying them. If anything, bootlegs will keep his legacy alive going forward. Just my 2 cents.

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Reply #1 posted 06/15/16 8:30am

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Whoever has the right to profit from the sale of Prince material, has exactly that: the right. To say that we have just as much right is absolute nonsense.

Recordings cannot be properly remastered without the actual masters, so however good you think Purple Rain sounds, I can't believe it's anywhere near as good as what it would sound like when done right. It's nothing but tweaking.

There's no need to pay for boots. They're all out there for free if you know where to look.

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Reply #2 posted 06/15/16 8:33am

RodeoSchro

khelm9 said:

Why is everyone so up in arms over people buying bootlegs? Prince is sadly no longer with us, and anyone that would profit off the sale of his music at this point has about as much right to it as we do. Frankly P did his fans a disservice throughout the years by not letting his albums get re-mastered on CD. I know the issues with record labels were partly to blame, but come on, it could have gotten done. Well guess what? I just got the 2011 Purple Rain remaster and it sounds incredible. I will have 1999 and Controversy here in the next few weeks. These should have been out a long time ago. Sorry but I don't feel bad about buying them. If anything, bootlegs will keep his legacy alive going forward. Just my 2 cents.



This reminds me of something us old people noticed a few years ago:

My generation paid for its music and we got Prince, Springsteen, Bowie, Hendrix, Dylan, the Stones, Aerosmith, etc., etc., etc.

The last couple generations mostly steal their music and they get Beiber, Rihanna, Kanye West, Drake, etc., etc., etc.

I guess you get what you pay for.

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Reply #3 posted 06/15/16 8:35am

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khelm9 said:

1. Why is everyone so up in arms over people buying bootlegs? Prince is sadly no longer with us, and anyone that would profit off the sale of his music at this point has about as much right to it as we do.
2. Frankly P did his fans a disservice throughout the years by not letting his albums get re-mastered on CD. I know the issues with record labels were partly to blame, but come on, it could have gotten done.
3. Well guess what? I just got the 2011 Purple Rain remaster and it sounds incredible. I will have 1999 and Controversy here in the next few weeks. These should have been out a long time ago. Sorry but I don't feel bad about buying them. If anything, bootlegs will keep his legacy alive going forward. Just my 2 cents.


1. Because nobody should be spending money on bootlegs. They are widely available on the internet in lossless quality -- for free. On ebay, they aren't listed as bootlegs -- and the quality is incredibly poor (see the Piano & Microphone boots). Supposedly there's a Piano & Microphone record ready to go in perfect sound quality. In other words -- pay for good quality -- download the audience recordings for free off the internet. Don't give anyone $800 for a 2CD bootleg.
2. Everyone except those that could find no wrong in anything Prince did while alive -- and now dead, apparently, agrees with you completely (on this alone).
3. Are you saying that you knowingly spent anything more than a nickel on remasters that weren't actually remasters -- but were bootlegs? If so, lol! If you're actually referring to the vinyl remasters from the past couple of years... then those aren't bootlegs.

If you want to throw your money away, good for you. Do it while you can because eventually someone from the estate/trust will crackdown on ebay/amazon and other online sites where sellers are lying to buyers by not telling them that they are spending $800 on audience recordings. The estate/trust will shut down all of the fake CDs that were never released on CD.

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Reply #4 posted 06/15/16 8:37am

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RodeoSchro said:

khelm9 said:

Why is everyone so up in arms over people buying bootlegs? Prince is sadly no longer with us, and anyone that would profit off the sale of his music at this point has about as much right to it as we do. Frankly P did his fans a disservice throughout the years by not letting his albums get re-mastered on CD. I know the issues with record labels were partly to blame, but come on, it could have gotten done. Well guess what? I just got the 2011 Purple Rain remaster and it sounds incredible. I will have 1999 and Controversy here in the next few weeks. These should have been out a long time ago. Sorry but I don't feel bad about buying them. If anything, bootlegs will keep his legacy alive going forward. Just my 2 cents.



This reminds me of something us old people noticed a few years ago:

My generation paid for its music and we got Prince, Springsteen, Bowie, Hendrix, Dylan, the Stones, Aerosmith, etc., etc., etc.

The last couple generations mostly steal their music and they get Beiber, Rihanna, Kanye West, Drake, etc., etc., etc.

I guess you get what you pay for.

yes yeahthat clapping

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Reply #5 posted 06/15/16 8:39am

SPYZFAN1

"I guess you get what you pay for"......Well said.

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Reply #6 posted 06/15/16 8:39am

khelm9

suomynona said:

khelm9 said:

1. Why is everyone so up in arms over people buying bootlegs? Prince is sadly no longer with us, and anyone that would profit off the sale of his music at this point has about as much right to it as we do.
2. Frankly P did his fans a disservice throughout the years by not letting his albums get re-mastered on CD. I know the issues with record labels were partly to blame, but come on, it could have gotten done.
3. Well guess what? I just got the 2011 Purple Rain remaster and it sounds incredible. I will have 1999 and Controversy here in the next few weeks. These should have been out a long time ago. Sorry but I don't feel bad about buying them. If anything, bootlegs will keep his legacy alive going forward. Just my 2 cents.


1. Because nobody should be spending money on bootlegs. They are widely available on the internet in lossless quality -- for free. On ebay, they aren't listed as bootlegs -- and the quality is incredibly poor (see the Piano & Microphone boots). Supposedly there's a Piano & Microphone record ready to go in perfect sound quality. In other words -- pay for good quality -- download the audience recordings for free off the internet. Don't give anyone $800 for a 2CD bootleg.
2. Everyone except those that could find no wrong in anything Prince did while alive -- and now dead, apparently, agrees with you completely (on this alone).
3. Are you saying that you knowingly spent anything more than a nickel on remasters that weren't actually remasters -- but were bootlegs? If so, lol! If you're actually referring to the vinyl remasters from the past couple of years... then those aren't bootlegs.

If you want to throw your money away, good for you. Do it while you can because eventually someone from the estate/trust will crackdown on ebay/amazon and other online sites where sellers are lying to buyers by not telling them that they are spending $800 on audience recordings. The estate/trust will shut down all of the fake CDs that were never released on CD.

OK poor wording on my part. Yes, these are the 2011 remasters and are as you put it, lossless quality. Bootleg is probably not the right word for these recordings.

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Reply #7 posted 06/15/16 8:42am

khelm9

RodeoSchro said:

khelm9 said:

Why is everyone so up in arms over people buying bootlegs? Prince is sadly no longer with us, and anyone that would profit off the sale of his music at this point has about as much right to it as we do. Frankly P did his fans a disservice throughout the years by not letting his albums get re-mastered on CD. I know the issues with record labels were partly to blame, but come on, it could have gotten done. Well guess what? I just got the 2011 Purple Rain remaster and it sounds incredible. I will have 1999 and Controversy here in the next few weeks. These should have been out a long time ago. Sorry but I don't feel bad about buying them. If anything, bootlegs will keep his legacy alive going forward. Just my 2 cents.



This reminds me of something us old people noticed a few years ago:

My generation paid for its music and we got Prince, Springsteen, Bowie, Hendrix, Dylan, the Stones, Aerosmith, etc., etc., etc.

The last couple generations mostly steal their music and they get Beiber, Rihanna, Kanye West, Drake, etc., etc., etc.

I guess you get what you pay for.

I should not have said that we have a "right" to it. What I meant is that if it's available, and not availble anywhere else, then we should be able to buy it. I want to have the actual CD in may hand. I don't like streaming music at all. If the remasters were released to the public I would be there on day one paying good money for them. But since they are not, and they are available 2nd hand, I don't see the crime.

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Reply #8 posted 06/15/16 8:45am

airth

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khelm9 said:

OK poor wording on my part. Yes, these are the 2011 remasters and are as you put it, lossless quality. Bootleg is probably not the right word for these recordings.


You mean you bought official releases, not bootlegs? If that's the case, it doesn't really make sense to say "I don't feel bad about buying them..."

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Reply #9 posted 06/15/16 8:46am

OldFriends4Sal
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RodeoSchro said:

khelm9 said:

Why is everyone so up in arms over people buying bootlegs? Prince is sadly no longer with us, and anyone that would profit off the sale of his music at this point has about as much right to it as we do. Frankly P did his fans a disservice throughout the years by not letting his albums get re-mastered on CD. I know the issues with record labels were partly to blame, but come on, it could have gotten done. Well guess what? I just got the 2011 Purple Rain remaster and it sounds incredible. I will have 1999 and Controversy here in the next few weeks. These should have been out a long time ago. Sorry but I don't feel bad about buying them. If anything, bootlegs will keep his legacy alive going forward. Just my 2 cents.



This reminds me of something us old people noticed a few years ago:

My generation paid for its music and we got Prince, Springsteen, Bowie, Hendrix, Dylan, the Stones, Aerosmith, etc., etc., etc.

The last couple generations mostly steal their music and they get Beiber, Rihanna, Kanye West, Drake, etc., etc., etc.

I guess you get what you pay for.

yes

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Reply #10 posted 06/15/16 9:46am

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RodeoSchro said:



khelm9 said:


Why is everyone so up in arms over people buying bootlegs? Prince is sadly no longer with us, and anyone that would profit off the sale of his music at this point has about as much right to it as we do. Frankly P did his fans a disservice throughout the years by not letting his albums get re-mastered on CD. I know the issues with record labels were partly to blame, but come on, it could have gotten done. Well guess what? I just got the 2011 Purple Rain remaster and it sounds incredible. I will have 1999 and Controversy here in the next few weeks. These should have been out a long time ago. Sorry but I don't feel bad about buying them. If anything, bootlegs will keep his legacy alive going forward. Just my 2 cents.





This reminds me of something us old people noticed a few years ago:

My generation paid for its music and we got Prince, Springsteen, Bowie, Hendrix, Dylan, the Stones, Aerosmith, etc., etc., etc.

The last couple generations mostly steal their music and they get Beiber, Rihanna, Kanye West, Drake, etc., etc., etc.

I guess you get what you pay for.


Boom!
"We just let people talk & say whatever they want 2 say. 9 times out of 10, trust me, what's out there now, I wouldn't give nary one of these folks the time of day. That's why I don't say anything back, because there's so much that's wrong" - P, Dec '15
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Reply #11 posted 06/15/16 9:50am

khelm9

airth said:

khelm9 said:

OK poor wording on my part. Yes, these are the 2011 remasters and are as you put it, lossless quality. Bootleg is probably not the right word for these recordings.


You mean you bought official releases, not bootlegs? If that's the case, it doesn't really make sense to say "I don't feel bad about buying them..."

When were they officially released to the public? On CD?

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Reply #12 posted 06/15/16 11:15am

Noodled24

HANA NANA NANA NANA BOOTLEGS, NANA NANA NANA NANA BOOTLEGS, BOOTLEGS, BATDANCE... BOOTLEGS.

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Reply #13 posted 06/15/16 12:57pm

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khelm9 said:



airth said:




khelm9 said:



OK poor wording on my part. Yes, these are the 2011 remasters and are as you put it, lossless quality. Bootleg is probably not the right word for these recordings.




You mean you bought official releases, not bootlegs? If that's the case, it doesn't really make sense to say "I don't feel bad about buying them..."



When were they officially released to the public? On CD?



Some remastered vinyls were released about 5 years ago - not on cd
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Reply #14 posted 06/15/16 1:12pm

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khelm9 said:

Why is everyone so up in arms over people buying bootlegs? Prince is sadly no longer with us, and anyone that would profit off the sale of his music at this point has about as much right to it as we do. Frankly P did his fans a disservice throughout the years by not letting his albums get re-mastered on CD. I know the issues with record labels were partly to blame, but come on, it could have gotten done. Well guess what? I just got the 2011 Purple Rain remaster and it sounds incredible. I will have 1999 and Controversy here in the next few weeks. These should have been out a long time ago. Sorry but I don't feel bad about buying them. If anything, bootlegs will keep his legacy alive going forward. Just my 2 cents.

is the 2011 purple rain album in CD format? Is it on amazon?
There's Joy in repetition
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Reply #15 posted 06/15/16 1:16pm

khelm9

breakdown2k14 said:

khelm9 said:

Why is everyone so up in arms over people buying bootlegs? Prince is sadly no longer with us, and anyone that would profit off the sale of his music at this point has about as much right to it as we do. Frankly P did his fans a disservice throughout the years by not letting his albums get re-mastered on CD. I know the issues with record labels were partly to blame, but come on, it could have gotten done. Well guess what? I just got the 2011 Purple Rain remaster and it sounds incredible. I will have 1999 and Controversy here in the next few weeks. These should have been out a long time ago. Sorry but I don't feel bad about buying them. If anything, bootlegs will keep his legacy alive going forward. Just my 2 cents.

is the 2011 purple rain album in CD format? Is it on amazon?

Yes it is.

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Reply #16 posted 06/15/16 1:16pm

khelm9

breakdown2k14 said:

khelm9 said:

Why is everyone so up in arms over people buying bootlegs? Prince is sadly no longer with us, and anyone that would profit off the sale of his music at this point has about as much right to it as we do. Frankly P did his fans a disservice throughout the years by not letting his albums get re-mastered on CD. I know the issues with record labels were partly to blame, but come on, it could have gotten done. Well guess what? I just got the 2011 Purple Rain remaster and it sounds incredible. I will have 1999 and Controversy here in the next few weeks. These should have been out a long time ago. Sorry but I don't feel bad about buying them. If anything, bootlegs will keep his legacy alive going forward. Just my 2 cents.

is the 2011 purple rain album in CD format? Is it on amazon?

It IS in CD format, it is NOT on Amazon

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Reply #17 posted 06/15/16 1:32pm

breakdown2k14

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khelm9 said:



breakdown2k14 said:


khelm9 said:

Why is everyone so up in arms over people buying bootlegs? Prince is sadly no longer with us, and anyone that would profit off the sale of his music at this point has about as much right to it as we do. Frankly P did his fans a disservice throughout the years by not letting his albums get re-mastered on CD. I know the issues with record labels were partly to blame, but come on, it could have gotten done. Well guess what? I just got the 2011 Purple Rain remaster and it sounds incredible. I will have 1999 and Controversy here in the next few weeks. These should have been out a long time ago. Sorry but I don't feel bad about buying them. If anything, bootlegs will keep his legacy alive going forward. Just my 2 cents.



is the 2011 purple rain album in CD format? Is it on amazon?

It IS in CD format, it is NOT on Amazon

where can I buy it?
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Reply #18 posted 06/15/16 1:43pm

databank

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RodeoSchro said:

khelm9 said:

Why is everyone so up in arms over people buying bootlegs? Prince is sadly no longer with us, and anyone that would profit off the sale of his music at this point has about as much right to it as we do. Frankly P did his fans a disservice throughout the years by not letting his albums get re-mastered on CD. I know the issues with record labels were partly to blame, but come on, it could have gotten done. Well guess what? I just got the 2011 Purple Rain remaster and it sounds incredible. I will have 1999 and Controversy here in the next few weeks. These should have been out a long time ago. Sorry but I don't feel bad about buying them. If anything, bootlegs will keep his legacy alive going forward. Just my 2 cents.



This reminds me of something us old people noticed a few years ago:

My generation paid for its music and we got Prince, Springsteen, Bowie, Hendrix, Dylan, the Stones, Aerosmith, etc., etc., etc.

The last couple generations mostly steal their music and they get Beiber, Rihanna, Kanye West, Drake, etc., etc., etc.

I guess you get what you pay for.

It's a bit unfair because we also had Kylie Minogue, New Kids On The Block, Sandra, Jason Donovan and so on. Commercial crap had coexisted with true artists since the very beginning of the record industry. The only difference is that real talents, for the most part, are not being pushed by majors as much as they were, so the general public is less aware of their existence, and it's a pity, but they are still there and they still get record deals. I listen to a shitload of new/young artists, and there's a shitload of talented ones, only their music is more confidential than it used to, but they're here if u're curious enough to find them.

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Reply #19 posted 06/15/16 1:44pm

Quexzea

breakdown2k14 said:

khelm9 said:

It IS in CD format, it is NOT on Amazon

where can I buy it?

I think he's talking about the HD 192 24bit version on HD TRACKS.

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Reply #20 posted 06/15/16 1:48pm

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suomynona said:

khelm9 said:

1. Why is everyone so up in arms over people buying bootlegs? Prince is sadly no longer with us, and anyone that would profit off the sale of his music at this point has about as much right to it as we do.
2. Frankly P did his fans a disservice throughout the years by not letting his albums get re-mastered on CD. I know the issues with record labels were partly to blame, but come on, it could have gotten done.
3. Well guess what? I just got the 2011 Purple Rain remaster and it sounds incredible. I will have 1999 and Controversy here in the next few weeks. These should have been out a long time ago. Sorry but I don't feel bad about buying them. If anything, bootlegs will keep his legacy alive going forward. Just my 2 cents.


Don't give anyone $800 for a 2CD bootleg.

Those prices, God! Some people must really be rich to bid hundreds of bucks on audience recordings just to have a fake pressed CD with a fake booklet on a shelf, when they could have the Flac files for free!!! I mean being willing to pay 20 bucks why not, but the sums I see when I click on your link! eek eek eek

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Reply #21 posted 06/15/16 1:51pm

Quexzea

databank said:

suomynona said:


Don't give anyone $800 for a 2CD bootleg.

Those prices, God! Some people must really be rich to bid hundreds of bucks on audience recordings just to have a fake pressed CD with a fake booklet on a shelf, when they could have the Flac files for free!!! I mean being willing to pay 20 bucks why not, but the sums I see when I click on your link! eek eek eek

WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!????????????????????

THIS ACTUALLY HAPPENED? I'm speechless. People are stupid.

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Reply #22 posted 06/15/16 2:10pm

h4rm0ny

RodeoSchro said:

khelm9 said:

Why is everyone so up in arms over people buying bootlegs? Prince is sadly no longer with us, and anyone that would profit off the sale of his music at this point has about as much right to it as we do. Frankly P did his fans a disservice throughout the years by not letting his albums get re-mastered on CD. I know the issues with record labels were partly to blame, but come on, it could have gotten done. Well guess what? I just got the 2011 Purple Rain remaster and it sounds incredible. I will have 1999 and Controversy here in the next few weeks. These should have been out a long time ago. Sorry but I don't feel bad about buying them. If anything, bootlegs will keep his legacy alive going forward. Just my 2 cents.



This reminds me of something us old people noticed a few years ago:

My generation paid for its music and we got Prince, Springsteen, Bowie, Hendrix, Dylan, the Stones, Aerosmith, etc., etc., etc.

The last couple generations mostly steal their music and they get Beiber, Rihanna, Kanye West, Drake, etc., etc., etc.

I guess you get what you pay for.

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I know you meant this to be deep and all "Lol young people" but...uh. I hate to break it to you that this is neither deep nor clever.

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Prince, Hendrix, Dylan, and the Rolling Stones were heavily bootlegged. Your generation stole their music and sold it at a profit for yourselves. Also, Aerosmith just sucks.

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Kanye West and Rihanna blew up before the advent of mass piracy and album leaks. Drake rode in on the internet mixtape wave, releasing all his music for free, himself.

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I'm sorry for interrupting your attempt at dunking on millennials but uh...yeah.

[Edited 6/15/16 14:11pm]

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Reply #23 posted 06/15/16 3:11pm

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Well, if no one on here is going 2 provide the source 2 obtain free boots, then there will always be customers 4 the bootleg business...
Stop telling the Org "family", 2"do the work" when we can all love 4 1 another...
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Reply #24 posted 06/15/16 3:16pm

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khelm9 said:

Why is everyone so up in arms over people buying bootlegs?

Only idiots BUY bootlegs. The enlightened share them for NOTHING.

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Reply #25 posted 06/15/16 5:22pm

FUNKNROLL

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"I guess you get what you pay for".....Well said.



U got to fixurlifeup?
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Reply #26 posted 06/15/16 5:23pm

FUNKNROLL

Marrk said:



khelm9 said:


Why is everyone so up in arms over people buying bootlegs?




Only idiots BUY bootlegs. The enlightened share them for NOTHING.



Well back in the days of vinyl and cassette it was good form to tip your connection at a record and tape show. wink
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Reply #27 posted 06/15/16 5:26pm

FUNKNROLL

RodeoSchro said:



khelm9 said:


Why is everyone so up in arms over people buying bootlegs? Prince is sadly no longer with us, and anyone that would profit off the sale of his music at this point has about as much right to it as we do. Frankly P did his fans a disservice throughout the years by not letting his albums get re-mastered on CD. I know the issues with record labels were partly to blame, but come on, it could have gotten done. Well guess what? I just got the 2011 Purple Rain remaster and it sounds incredible. I will have 1999 and Controversy here in the next few weeks. These should have been out a long time ago. Sorry but I don't feel bad about buying them. If anything, bootlegs will keep his legacy alive going forward. Just my 2 cents.





This reminds me of something us old people noticed a few years ago:

My generation paid for its music and we got Prince, Springsteen, Bowie, Hendrix, Dylan, the Stones, Aerosmith, etc., etc., etc.

The last couple generations mostly steal their music and they get Beiber, Rihanna, Kanye West, Drake, etc., etc., etc.

I guess you get what you pay for.



Hard not to blame "new music Tuesday". Once that treadmill started they had to throw anything against the wall to see if it sticks. Goals are good but...

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Reply #28 posted 06/15/16 5:53pm

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databank said:

RodeoSchro said:



This reminds me of something us old people noticed a few years ago:

My generation paid for its music and we got Prince, Springsteen, Bowie, Hendrix, Dylan, the Stones, Aerosmith, etc., etc., etc.

The last couple generations mostly steal their music and they get Beiber, Rihanna, Kanye West, Drake, etc., etc., etc.

I guess you get what you pay for.

It's a bit unfair because we also had Kylie Minogue, New Kids On The Block, Sandra, Jason Donovan and so on. Commercial crap had coexisted with true artists since the very beginning of the record industry. The only difference is that real talents, for the most part, are not being pushed by majors as much as they were, so the general public is less aware of their existence, and it's a pity, but they are still there and they still get record deals. I listen to a shitload of new/young artists, and there's a shitload of talented ones, only their music is more confidential than it used to, but they're here if u're curious enough to find them.


Hey now! Kylie has some awesome stuff. Granted, it wasn't her 80s material, but her stuff from 1997-2003 is very high quality.

Feel free to join in the Prince Album Poll 2018! Let'a celebrate his legacy by counting down the most beloved Prince albums, as decided by you!
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Reply #29 posted 06/15/16 6:38pm

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Quexzea said:

databank said:

Those prices, God! Some people must really be rich to bid hundreds of bucks on audience recordings just to have a fake pressed CD with a fake booklet on a shelf, when they could have the Flac files for free!!! I mean being willing to pay 20 bucks why not, but the sums I see when I click on your link! eek eek eek

WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!????????????????????

THIS ACTUALLY HAPPENED? I'm speechless. People are stupid.

FMD! That is AMAZINGLY RIDICULOUS!!! eek

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