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Thread started 05/20/16 1:03am

AnonymousFan

WHAT DID PRINCE BELIEVE?!?!?

I know he's a Jehovah's Witness and presumably he believes in the doctrine, but I can't help but feel like he put his own spin on it and believed in some extra things. He seems to merge the doctrine with a number of other beliefs in a number of songs.
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I was reading about "exit points" because they were mentioned in another thread here, and he seems to have held some version of this belief as evidencd by his rhetoric about the thing. Ex. "When I no longer wish to communicate on this level", "When I choose to leave...", etc... He seems to believe that the highest power is love and we are all in that oneness as evidenced by his lyrics and one of his essays.
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He seems to believe in "good karma" on some level or at least spiritual repercussions for what is or isn't done here. He also seems to believe in reincarnation on some level. Seems to really care about what goes on in the world.
Seems to believe in energies/chakras/something.

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Is there anyway that I could find out what is exactly that he believed!?!?!
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Also, why does he refer to everything spiritual as something (spooky, the dance, ex..."electric"?
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Reply #1 posted 05/20/16 1:09am

remko

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I'd like to stick to:

Love is God and God is Love.

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Reply #2 posted 05/20/16 1:10am

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Prince believed in the afterworld.... a world of never-ending happiness.... heart

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Reply #3 posted 05/20/16 1:16am

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But, it's not enough!!! He seems to have such a deep understanding and to have done his research - perhaps he was still doing his research!!! He had a Knowledge Room, they say he'd read and studied for hours, they say he'd talk about it for hours. I just NEED to know what he knew about all that!!! What was his take on religion and spirituality, what was his perspective on history, I NEED to know his complete and comprehensive knowledge of the ongoings of the music industry. What about time??? I need the complete, detailed explanation of why he didn't believe in time.
prince
I need to know everything about this!!! Does he have some more writings or something in the knowledge room?!?


I've got to be fulfilled!!!
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Reply #4 posted 05/20/16 1:47am

Junglehop

AnonymousFan said:

But, it's not enough!!! He seems to have such a deep understanding and to have done his research - perhaps he was still doing his research!!! He had a Knowledge Room, they say he'd read and studied for hours, they say he'd talk about it for hours. I just NEED to know what he knew about all that!!! What was his take on religion and spirituality, what was his perspective on history, I NEED to know his complete and comprehensive knowledge of the ongoings of the music industry. What about time??? I need the complete, detailed explanation of why he didn't believe in time.
prince
I need to know everything about this!!! Does he have some more writings or something in the knowledge room?!?


I've got to be fulfilled!!!
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[Edited 5/20/16 1:21am]


You're getting carried away, you don't need to know all that comprehensively. At the end of the day Prince believed in love, God, and the oneness of everything - all the rest is interpretation, whether your own or Prince's. If Prince were to read your post he'd ask "what do YOU believe?"

As for wanting to understand Prince more, well he left behind 39 albums that explain everything... listen to Lotusflw3r, it'll answer some of your questions.
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Reply #5 posted 05/20/16 2:01am

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Prince was a JW and without any other proof, we can only assume that he believed what they believe. Which is more or less that when you die, you die. Then at some point in the future there will be judgement day, after which you will be resurrected to live an eternal life in paradise on Earth.

RIP sad
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Reply #6 posted 05/20/16 2:19am

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Even if you could get into the so-called Knowledge Room and pore over every note he took and read every book he read, you still wouldn't be able to understand what he believed. My belief is simply that the journey to arriving at some kind of understanding of our existence is a purely personal one.

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Reply #7 posted 05/20/16 2:26am

jaawwnn

Prince believed in his own mystique, and I don't mean that as criticism, he loved to be cryptic. You'll be the rest of your life trying to pin down an exact meaning, mainly cos so much of it was just him playing mind games with people.

He also fucking loved Pyramids.


Junglehop said:

You're getting carried away, you don't need to know all that comprehensively. At the end of the day Prince believed in love, God, and the oneness of everything - all the rest is interpretation, whether your own or Prince's. If Prince were to read your post he'd ask "what do YOU believe?" As for wanting to understand Prince more, well he left behind 39 albums that explain everything... listen to Lotusflw3r, it'll answer some of your questions.

yeah, that exactly.



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Reply #8 posted 05/20/16 2:32am

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He believed that after his passing, that by leaving no will, fans would speculate for centuries by drawing wild conclusions (mostly dealing in numbers) -- both before and after the autopsy results were announced -- and after the investigation was complete and no fault was found.

He believed that his fans had more respect -- both for him and his exes -- that they would just focus on the music -- like he did for nearly all 57 years on the planet.

He believed that Mountains was an average song from a great album.

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Reply #9 posted 05/20/16 2:43am

NorthC

suomynona said:

He believed that after his passing, that by leaving no will, fans would speculate for centuries by drawing wild conclusions (mostly dealing in numbers) -- both before and after the autopsy results were announced -- and after the investigation was complete and no fault was found.

He believed that his fans had more respect -- both for him and his exes -- that they would just focus on the music -- like he did for nearly all 57 years on the planet.

He believed that Mountains was an average song from a great album.


He actually said that he didn't find Parade a great album and that apart from Kiss there was nothing on it that he was really proud of.
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Reply #10 posted 05/20/16 2:50am

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NorthC said:

suomynona said:

He believed that after his passing, that by leaving no will, fans would speculate for centuries by drawing wild conclusions (mostly dealing in numbers) -- both before and after the autopsy results were announced -- and after the investigation was complete and no fault was found.

He believed that his fans had more respect -- both for him and his exes -- that they would just focus on the music -- like he did for nearly all 57 years on the planet.

He believed that Mountains was an average song from a great album.

He actually said that he didn't find Parade a great album and that apart from Kiss there was nothing on it that he was really proud of.


Yeah but, what he said and what he believed are two quite different things.

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Reply #11 posted 05/20/16 2:51am

NorthC

Of course. That's why Anonymous' question is impossible to answer.
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Reply #12 posted 05/20/16 2:52am

jaawwnn

NorthC said:

suomynona said:

He believed that after his passing, that by leaving no will, fans would speculate for centuries by drawing wild conclusions (mostly dealing in numbers) -- both before and after the autopsy results were announced -- and after the investigation was complete and no fault was found.

He believed that his fans had more respect -- both for him and his exes -- that they would just focus on the music -- like he did for nearly all 57 years on the planet.

He believed that Mountains was an average song from a great album.

He actually said that he didn't find Parade a great album and that apart from Kiss there was nothing on it that he was really proud of.

From a 1988 interview I think? Bizarre opinion, was he cornered about something there? I mean, considering the amount of stuff he continued to play off that album he was clearly talking nonsense.

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Reply #13 posted 05/20/16 2:56am

NorthC

I don't remember which interview that was and if you remember that he did an entire tour based on that album, I think we have ti take it with a grain of salt. Maybe he was just boasting "You think Parade is good? I can do even better!"
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Reply #14 posted 05/20/16 3:25am

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Yeah Prince believed in pancakes, all 7 of them and his favorite color was cheeseburger yes


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Reply #15 posted 05/20/16 7:53am

thedance

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jaawwnn said:

NorthC said:

suomynona said: He actually said that he didn't find Parade a great album and that apart from Kiss there was nothing on it that he was really proud of.

From a 1988 interview I think? Bizarre opinion, was he cornered about something there? I mean, considering the amount of stuff he continued to play off that album he was clearly talking nonsense.

Prince was :

1) just joking -- or --

2) he was trying to lower the audience expectations, so they would be more "surprised" and "shocked" how excellent it actually is..

3) I believe Prince knew deep inside that Parade is the finest masterpiece. Maybe he just wanted to let the listener decide for themselves what to think about it, Parade the album....

imho..... smile

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Reply #16 posted 05/20/16 7:58am

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Prince, I'm afraid, believed in all manner of crazy nonsense. His talking about chemtrails on a talk show isn't his finest hour.

"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge"" ~ Isaac Asimov
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Reply #17 posted 05/20/16 8:00am

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jaawwnn said:

NorthC said:

suomynona said: He actually said that he didn't find Parade a great album and that apart from Kiss there was nothing on it that he was really proud of.

From a 1988 interview I think? Bizarre opinion, was he cornered about something there? I mean, considering the amount of stuff he continued to play off that album he was clearly talking nonsense.

I think it was purely bluster or rather "marketing" on his part. This was said in '87, with a double-album to drum up sales for and not long after the Revoltion had been letgo. So, I think he was attempting to distance himself from his last, a Revolution, album where had very vocally talked up the contributions of W&L and others as opposed to his current work whch was being pushed as a "one man band" album again. Secondly, apart from Kiss, Parade lacked the number of hits that he had garnered from 1999, PR, and even ATWIAD and I think around the same time, if not the same interview, he commented something along the lines of only being as good as your last release.

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Reply #18 posted 05/20/16 8:12am

BanishedBrian

remko said:

I'd like to stick to:

Love is God and God is Love.



I've always found it interesting that he never changed this lyric the way he changed The Cross to The Christ. The phrase "Love is God" is essentially a statement expresing belief in the Hold Spirit and the Holy Trinity, which is one of the core things JWs reject.

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Reply #19 posted 05/20/16 8:15am

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He believed like Parapa I reckon.
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Reply #20 posted 05/20/16 9:38am

duccichucka

Clearly we don't know what Prince believed, for a Jehovah's Witness + substance abuse
issues do not cohere (easily, I guess) and clearly his public life was distinct from his
private life. This, of course, only holds if we discover that Prince was living with a sub-
stance abuse issue.

I guess the one thing we can say more definitively than others is that Prince believed in
the healing power of music.

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Reply #21 posted 05/20/16 9:43am

duccichucka

Lianachan said:

Prince, I'm afraid, believed in all manner of crazy nonsense. His talking about chemtrails on a talk show isn't his finest hour.


I agree.

I think there may be a correlation between artistic talent with a facility for accepting conspiracy
theories/superstitions. Or, maybe homeboy was just crazy like my Uncle Jessup who barked only
at gibbous moons.

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Reply #22 posted 05/20/16 9:49am

BanishedBrian

duccichucka said:

Clearly we don't know what Prince believed, for a Jehovah's Witness + substance abuse
issues do not cohere (easily, I guess) and clearly his public life was distinct from his
private life. This, of course, only holds if we discover that Prince was living with a sub-
stance abuse issue.



It's entirely possible to be morally opposed to substance abuse and yet develop a substance abuse problem. Whether Prince used opiods or not shouldn't affect how we interpret his stated beliefs.

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Reply #23 posted 05/20/16 9:54am

NorthC

duccichucka said:



Lianachan said:


Prince, I'm afraid, believed in all manner of crazy nonsense. His talking about chemtrails on a talk show isn't his finest hour.




I agree.

I think there may be a correlation between artistic talent with a facility for accepting conspiracy
theories/superstitions. Or, maybe homeboy was just crazy like my Uncle Jessup who barked only
at gibbous moons.



That's nonsense. Unless of course you can produce a list of hundreds of artists, writers etc who believed in conspiracy theories and did so because they were artists.
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Reply #24 posted 05/20/16 10:09am

SexFiendNikki

In the Mel. B video when they were playing the word association game, she said Christmas and his response was “Nimrod’s birthday.” (I THINK that’s what I heard).

For someone who sung about spirituality as much as Prince did, his response took me off guard.

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Reply #25 posted 05/20/16 10:11am

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AnonymousFan said:

I know he's a Jehovah's Witness and presumably he believes in the doctrine, but I can't help but feel like he put his own spin on it and believed in some extra things. He seems to merge the doctrine with a number of other beliefs in a number of songs. prince I was reading about "exit points" because they were mentioned in another thread here, and he seems to have held some version of this belief as evidencd by his rhetoric about the thing. Ex. "When I no longer wish to communicate on this level", "When I choose to leave...", etc... He seems to believe that the highest power is love and we are all in that oneness as evidenced by his lyrics and one of his essays. prince He seems to believe in "good karma" on some level or at least spiritual repercussions for what is or isn't done here. He also seems to believe in reincarnation on some level. Seems to really care about what goes on in the world. Seems to believe in energies/chakras/something. prince Is there anyway that I could find out what is exactly that he believed!?!?! prince Also, why does he refer to everything spiritual as something (spooky, the dance, ex..."electric"? [Edited 5/20/16 1:19am]

Intresting questions? eye crysball

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Reply #26 posted 05/20/16 10:11am

RiotPaisley

Prince loved to learn and I think if he hadn't had such a devastating event, losing his child, and whatever else he's experienced - and hadn't latched on to a religion with such strict and, IMHO, nonsensical- kind of cruel, beliefs he could have, or should have gone on to form his own "religion". Maybe he was afraid to because in some eyes that would be sacrilege. Or something.

I wish he'd stayed the course of LoveSexy/ GB and just went on to continue research to find God within himself. That it really isn't about some deity in the sky passing judgement and punishment for being human. It's out spiritual connection to each other and the planet.

Maybe he knew that. I think LG and the JWs gave him comfort at a time he needed it most. When maybe he struggled with his inner demons and perhaps felt guilty for things he'd been a party to in the past. Maybe he needed someone official on the outside to forgive him. The JWs are pretty relentless if you engage with them even just for the sake of conversation. They will come to your house every Saturday until you agree go to their service if you just happen to open the door once.

Anyway- I think he had a hard time accepting that shit happens. Especially in regards to Ahmir. Like we are doing now- trying to find answers to why he died, and looking to blame someone... Maybe the answer just is- shit happens and it sucks.

I will forever consider LoveSexy my church. As someone else pointed out-

Love is God and God is Love.

And I will go further to say-
God is Music and lives in the radio. Love 4 one another is key- we should treat all with love and compassion. We should forgive each other for being human and fucking up. Don't lie, cheat, steal, or kill. I like to think Prince would agree. Everything else he got into (chemtrails etc) are just interesting things to consider. We will only know the answers to most of our questions about the universe when we die. And the answer may just be silent light.

Compassion is an action word with no boundaries. -Prince
Surprise, surprise.
Another treat. Another trick.
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Reply #27 posted 05/20/16 10:12am

NorthC

SexFiendNikki said:

In the Mel. B video when they were playing the word association game, she said Christmas and his response was “Nimrod’s birthday.” (I THINK that’s what I heard).



For someone who sung about spirituality as much as Prince did, his response took me off guard.



That's one of Prince's favourite games: hide and seek.
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Reply #28 posted 05/20/16 10:13am

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remko said:

I'd like to stick to:

Love is God and God is Love.

Let's leave it at that. No one can know what P believed in the end but his Maker. His beliefs certainly evolved from his early JW days...

"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato

https://youtu.be/CVwv9LZMah0
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Reply #29 posted 05/20/16 10:15am

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SexFiendNikki said:

In the Mel. B video when they were playing the word association game, she said Christmas and his response was “Nimrod’s birthday.” (I THINK that’s what I heard).

For someone who sung about spirituality as much as Prince did, his response took me off guard.

Speaking of ... I saw a concert video of P and The Band in Montreaux and it wasn't too long go. I have to go back and check the year but pretty sure it was within the last 2-3 yrs. And he hollas out "Do you all believe in Christmas" evidently they holla back "No", because he says "Me Neither"! eek The way he says it kinda arrogant and dejected, I thought how Strange.

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