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Reply #30 posted 05/01/16 8:39pm

McD

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Future Soul Song is one of his best ever tracks, and probably the best song he did from 1997-2016. (As such, as the odd man out, I'm voting it as the track Prince wanted to remove)

The rest of the album is pretty awful. For me it's the lowest point of his career, with the only comparable albums coming the year before (Lotus, MPLSound).

It's telling (for me) that of the eight post-3121 releases, the two best (Plectrum, AOA) were the only two with normal, worldwide CD releases.
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Reply #31 posted 05/01/16 9:17pm

feeluupp

FUTURE SOUL SONG & STICKY LIKE GLUE in my opinion are 2 of his best tracks from the 00's era.

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Reply #32 posted 05/01/16 9:41pm

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I still have trouble calling 20Ten an actual album because it's so random. It's more like a mixtape than an actual legit album IMO. I do enjoy 'Lay It Down', 'Sticky Like Glue', and 'Sea of Everything' but the rest of the songs are pretty forgettable. I think he wanted to pull the album because he wanted to take 'Future Soul Song' off of it because it's such a great song and it overshadows the rest of the disc. I love that song and think it's one of the best songs he's made in the 00s. I think it would have been much better on AOA.

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Sunset: April 21, 2016
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Life is merely a dress rehearsal for eternity.
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Reply #33 posted 06/17/16 12:16am

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MinorG said:

In the souvenir tribute the Mirror put together there is an interesting tidbit in one of the articles. The writer was a journalist for the Mirror who was invited to Paisley Park so the main article describes this, but it ends as follows:

'A few days later, on returning to London, I got a clearer idea of why he had managed to fall out with so many people in the entertainment industry. Prince, who was renowned as a perfectionist, tried to force us to scrap the album - apparently because he had gone off one of the tracks - but the cds had already been pressed and we had watertight contracts.'

So 20ten was almost a second black album! Which song do you think prince had a change of heart over? Everybody loves me? Never heard this info before, it may explain why 20ten never got a USA release.
I hope it wasn't future soul song or sea of everything,they're my favorite songs on the cd. smile
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You and me are like two ships passing
Never reaching shore
If we ever, ooh, if we ever did
We'd just want more
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Reply #34 posted 06/17/16 12:28am

TheEnglishGent

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I don't mind the album, except for Sea of Everything, that song is just horribly bland.

RIP sad
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Reply #35 posted 06/17/16 1:15am

NorthC

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And next thing u know he wanted to release 20ten Deluxe...


Hard to say what happened but the record was released by so many different magazines I think it may have been an issue P had with the Mirror rather than with the album itself?


Thing is we have a shitload of stories about the first 10 to 15 years because musicians and engineers and other collaborators spoke, while later they were stuck by confidentiality agreements. Now anyone can speak and hopefully the next few years will see an amazing amount of information and stories appearing in regards to P's later career. Imagine getting as much info about 1996-2016 sessions as we do about 1978-1995 (and already there's less data when it comes to the early 90's).


We'd need another Per Nilsen to go through all of that!
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Reply #36 posted 06/17/16 2:51am

train23

I just paid $89 for it!
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Reply #37 posted 06/17/16 2:57am

jaypotton

train23 said:

I just paid $89 for it!


Dude you messed up! There was another thread on 20Ten where a guy here in the UK said he had multiple copies and was happy to send one to someone if they paid the postage!

'I loved him then, I love him now and will love him eternally. He's with our son now.' Mayte 21st April 2016 = the saddest quote I have ever read! RIP Prince and thanks for everything.
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Reply #38 posted 06/17/16 2:57am

jaypotton

I think like most albums Prince released from the mid 90s onwards there are some great songs but surrounded by weaker songs and even some not good songs (few terrible songs though IMO).

I tend to put together my own albums for the late 90s onwards anyway. In this case I took the best (IMO) from 2010 and the best from MPLSound (IMO) and made a single CD/album. Works very well indeed and makes for a far more enjoyable listening experience!

(There'll Never B) Another Like Me
Chocolate Box
Compassion
Beginning Endlessly
Future Soul Song
Sticky Like Glue
Act of God
Walk In Sand
Sea of Everything
Better With Time
Ol' School Company
No More Candy 4 U
Laydown

'I loved him then, I love him now and will love him eternally. He's with our son now.' Mayte 21st April 2016 = the saddest quote I have ever read! RIP Prince and thanks for everything.
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Reply #39 posted 06/17/16 3:02am

Bunsterdk

Intriguing.. I'll be listening to it again to check this out. Love the album BTW. Glad he didn't get his way on this occasion.
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Reply #40 posted 06/17/16 3:43am

Ymaginatif

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I don't believe this - watertight contract our not, Prince would have sued them wink

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Reply #41 posted 06/17/16 5:05am

Milty2

I generally dont believe anything the Mirror ever prints.

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Reply #42 posted 06/17/16 5:34am

feeluupp

FUTURE SOUL SONG and STICKY LIKE GLUE are some of the best songs he's recorded in years...

The rest of the 20TEN album is as bad as MPLSOUND... Not a good album at all.

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Reply #43 posted 06/17/16 6:44am

DarkKnight1

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Future Soul Song is intoxicating. Worth the entire album.

(Insert something clever here)
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Reply #44 posted 06/17/16 7:00am

databank

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NorthC said:

Some sources, unknown, uncirculating... Not very reliable information there, Mr. Data! wink

Well for one thing now I am in doubt: I think it was Sticky Like Glue not Lavaux, I'm now confused, sorry.

The source is one orger whose name I forgot, who seems to have reliable sources at PP. Now he may have made it all up IDK, but the dude's infos overall seemed credible. It was in a thread not so long ago before P passed.

I'm just conveying the info and I didn't mean toi imply it was confirmed, sorry, which is why I said "according to".

P has a history of reworking old tracks so updating an old 80's track in the context of 20ten isn't totally extravagant. Hopefully at some point the content of the vault is properly studied and we'll have answers. Even if not everything gets released I think it is primordial that a proper inventory is made and made public.

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Reply #45 posted 06/17/16 7:04am

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It's a pity he couldn't have pulled it. With the exception of Future Soul Song which I don't mind, the rest of the album is appalling. I rate 20Ten as possibly being the worst album Prince ever released in his career.

Walk In the Sand, Lavaux, Sticky Like Glue are good songs

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Reply #46 posted 06/17/16 7:16am

Bunsterdk

I vote for Act of God as the one he wanted to pull. I usually skip that one anyway so he might as well have. LOL

Something about it doesn't sit right with me. The lyrics, not the music.
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Reply #47 posted 06/17/16 9:16am

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MinorG said:

In the souvenir tribute the Mirror put together there is an interesting tidbit in one of the articles. The writer was a journalist for the Mirror who was invited to Paisley Park so the main article describes this, but it ends as follows: 'A few days later, on returning to London, I got a clearer idea of why he had managed to fall out with so many people in the entertainment industry. Prince, who was renowned as a perfectionist, tried to force us to scrap the album - apparently because he had gone off one of the tracks - but the cds had already been pressed and we had watertight contracts.' So 20ten was almost a second black album! Which song do you think prince had a change of heart over? Everybody loves me? Never heard this info before, it may explain why 20ten never got a USA release.


Orger, I first heard The Black Album in 1989. I know The Black Album. The Black Album is a friend of mine. Orger, 20Ten is no The Black Album.

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Reply #48 posted 06/17/16 9:19am

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The entire album is strong and flows very well imo.

"You always get the dream that you deserve, from what you value the most" -Prince 2013
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Reply #49 posted 06/17/16 9:52am

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This is a better 20ten:

  1. Cause and Effect
  2. Compassion
  3. Beginning Endlessly
  4. Future Soul Song
  5. Sticky Like Glue
  6. Act of God
  7. Lavaux
  8. Walk in Sand
  9. Sea of Everything
  10. Everybody Loves Me
  11. Same Page Different Book
  12. Hot Summer
  13. Rich Friends
  14. Laydown Xtended

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Reply #50 posted 06/17/16 10:28am

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I think 20ten is a very strong album. I've loved it from the first listen.

The only song I was not super-crazy about was Everybody Loves Me, but it's grown on me a bit.

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Reply #51 posted 06/20/16 10:15am

leadline

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I bet it was Sea Of Everything that he wanted to take off it.

Not sure what the psychology is behind this, but if this had a wider release I believe folks would have given this one more of a chance. It is an incredibly strong, coherent album with some extremely catchy songs imo.


[Edited 6/20/16 10:16am]

"You always get the dream that you deserve, from what you value the most" -Prince 2013
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Reply #52 posted 06/20/16 12:30pm

ksgemini63

As I said I seen have tons go for 25 new in usd. Not free but 89? Too much that's a mint Gold Experience price!
[Edited 6/22/16 7:34am]
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Reply #53 posted 06/20/16 1:01pm

Xarina

I like 20ten. Beginning Endlessly, Laydown, Future Soul Song...the whole album gives me a happy, almost goofy vibe.

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Reply #54 posted 06/20/16 2:05pm

Silverball

The possibilities for some of those songs were endless, especially with more instrumentation. There's a rehearsal clip of "Sticky Like Glue" on YouTube that hints at how much more funky that song can be with a full band. Speaking of which, the rap he dropped on the 20Ten version of "Sticky Like Glue" is so bad it nearly ruins the song. BTW, The cost of pressing CDs is so cheap I'm surprised that Prince didn't just agree to help cover costs for the repress. Seriously, it's pennies on the dollar minus the packaging costs, which were very minimal for 20Ten.

[Edited 6/20/16 14:06pm]

[Edited 6/20/16 14:07pm]

Don't play what's there, play what's not there.
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Reply #55 posted 06/20/16 3:40pm

aiden

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It's a great, great album and deserves to be listened to loud. I think the fact that it was given away free cheapened it.. I think he wanted to take off Walk in Sand... Just a hunch, that one is my least favourite anyway..
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Reply #56 posted 06/20/16 4:35pm

funksterr

I said at the time it sounded like he was on meds when he recorded it. Now, I am sure I was right. There are so many problems with that album I can't possibly name them all.

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Reply #57 posted 06/20/16 4:42pm

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Ugh. You guys are killing me. This is literally the only album I don't have access to. It's not on Tidal, and you can't purchase it legally anywhere else, only secondhand from someone who owns it for an exorbitant amount.
"Everything that's in your heart, come what may
Even though his might get broken" RIP Prince
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