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filthyrichyupp
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There's just no way Prince didn't leave a will....

He leaves strict instructions for what happens to his body after death but none for his musical legacy? No way. Someone who micromanaged his output in life will almost certainly have done the same in death. I'm pretty sure some form of document will turn up.

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Reply #1 posted 04/29/16 2:18pm

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filthyrichyuppie said:

He leaves strict instructions for what happens to his body after death but none for his musical legacy? No way. Someone who micromanaged his output in life will almost certainly have done the same in death. I'm pretty sure some form of document will turn up.

We have no reason to believe that he gave strict/written instructions for what to do with his body. Rather, Tyka likely just followed standard JW protocol, as the religion requires prompt cremation.

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Reply #2 posted 04/29/16 2:19pm

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I think he must have it, or something about what to do when he's gone, in the vault, shortly?!
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Reply #3 posted 04/29/16 2:19pm

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BanishedBrian said:

filthyrichyuppie said:

He leaves strict instructions for what happens to his body after death but none for his musical legacy? No way. Someone who micromanaged his output in life will almost certainly have done the same in death. I'm pretty sure some form of document will turn up.

We have no reason to believe that he gave strict/written instructions for what to do with his body. Rather, Tyka likely just followed standard JW protocol, as the religion requires prompt cremation.

Exactly.

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Reply #4 posted 04/29/16 2:19pm

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BanishedBrian said:

filthyrichyuppie said:

He leaves strict instructions for what happens to his body after death but none for his musical legacy? No way. Someone who micromanaged his output in life will almost certainly have done the same in death. I'm pretty sure some form of document will turn up.

We have no reason to believe that he gave strict/written instructions for what to do with his body. Rather, Tyka likely just followed standard JW protocol, as the religion requires prompt cremation.

That's not a negation either. Anyway, keep focus.

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Reply #5 posted 04/29/16 2:19pm

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filthyrichyuppie said:

He leaves strict instructions for what happens to his body after death but none for his musical legacy? No way. Someone who micromanaged his output in life will almost certainly have done the same in death. I'm pretty sure some form of document will turn up.

No, I totally agree with you, there's no way he didn't leave a will. It just doesn't make sense.

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Reply #6 posted 04/29/16 2:21pm

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ThirdStrike said:

BanishedBrian said:

We have no reason to believe that he gave strict/written instructions for what to do with his body. Rather, Tyka likely just followed standard JW protocol, as the religion requires prompt cremation.

Exactly.

Liek I said to the other guy...this still doesn't address the main point.

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Reply #7 posted 04/29/16 2:24pm

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filthyrichyuppie said:

BanishedBrian said:

We have no reason to believe that he gave strict/written instructions for what to do with his body. Rather, Tyka likely just followed standard JW protocol, as the religion requires prompt cremation.

That's not a negation either. Anyway, keep focus.

Let me focus first...

Your argument is that (i) if he left strict instructions for what to do with his body, then (ii) wouldn't he have left strict written instructions.

My response is that (i) never happened.

That would seem to negate the premise of your argument, no?

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Reply #8 posted 04/29/16 2:30pm

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filthyrichyuppie said:

He leaves strict instructions for what happens to his body after death but none for his musical legacy? No way. Someone who micromanaged his output in life will almost certainly have done the same in death. I'm pretty sure some form of document will turn up.

Where were the "strict" instructions?

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Also, how are you "pretty sure" a will shall appear?

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Reply #9 posted 04/29/16 2:31pm

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BanishedBrian said:

filthyrichyuppie said:

That's not a negation either. Anyway, keep focus.

Let me focus first...

Your argument is that (i) if he left strict instructions for what to do with his body, then (ii) wouldn't he have left strict written instructions.

My response is that (i) never happened.

That would seem to negate the premise of your argument, no?

No no no...let me explain?

I make two arguments...

The first, his strict instructions to be cremated means he must have done more. You say, we don't know. I say, ok we don't. Hardly a point in your favor though is it?

Just to be on the safe side, I add to the argument by mentioning his history of micromanaging in life vs. death. Of course, you hadn't got this far. So ignored it. Sigh.

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Reply #10 posted 04/29/16 2:33pm

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TrivialPursuit said:

filthyrichyuppie said:

He leaves strict instructions for what happens to his body after death but none for his musical legacy? No way. Someone who micromanaged his output in life will almost certainly have done the same in death. I'm pretty sure some form of document will turn up.

Where were the "strict" instructions?

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Also, how are you "pretty sure" a will shall appear?

Well, Mr. Literal, we'll just have to wait and see won't we?

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Reply #11 posted 04/29/16 2:34pm

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He hated lawyers. Was suseptible to consipiracy theories and did every thing almost to an extreme (eg Veganism). This doesnt surprise me in the least.

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Reply #12 posted 04/29/16 2:35pm

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emesem said:

He hated lawyers. Was suseptible to consipiracy theories and did every thing almost to an extreme (eg Veganism). This doesnt surprise me in the least.

He was also protective of his legacy to the point of insanity. It surprises me much.

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Reply #13 posted 04/29/16 2:38pm

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Not necessarily...many of my friends and family have made their final wishes known (cremation vs. burial) but no Will.

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Reply #14 posted 04/29/16 2:39pm

BanishedBrian

filthyrichyuppie said:

BanishedBrian said:

Let me focus first...

Your argument is that (i) if he left strict instructions for what to do with his body, then (ii) wouldn't he have left strict written instructions.

My response is that (i) never happened.

That would seem to negate the premise of your argument, no?

No no no...let me explain?

I make two arguments...

The first, his strict instructions to be cremated means he must have done more. You say, we don't know. I say, ok we don't. Hardly a point in your favor though is it?

Just to be on the safe side, I add to the argument by mentioning his history of micromanaging in life vs. death. Of course, you hadn't got this far. So ignored it. Sigh.

Once again, there is no basis to say he left any strict or other instructions to be cremated. As far as we know, he left no instructions regarding what to do, and his sister, as next of kin, followed the practice of the place of worship he was known to attend.

Being a micromanager is actually consistent with having no will. I'm a total micromanager at every level, and I also have no will (though I've known for years I need to get around doing one).

Many of us skip such things because we figure "I'll get around to it later - I'm not going to die tomorrow." Prince might have been the same.

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Reply #15 posted 04/29/16 2:42pm

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BanishedBrian said:



filthyrichyuppie said:


He leaves strict instructions for what happens to his body after death but none for his musical legacy? No way. Someone who micromanaged his output in life will almost certainly have done the same in death. I'm pretty sure some form of document will turn up.




We have no reason to believe that he gave strict/written instructions for what to do with his body. Rather, Tyka likely just followed standard JW protocol, as the religion requires prompt cremation.



The religion resolutely does not require a prompt cremation. I was formerly involved with JW's for years and know from experience.
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Reply #16 posted 04/29/16 2:45pm

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emesem said:

He hated lawyers. Was suseptible to consipiracy theories and did every thing almost to an extreme (eg Veganism). This doesnt surprise me in the least.

He surounded himself with lawyers and what's wrong with eating healthy?

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Reply #17 posted 04/29/16 2:46pm

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txladykat said:

Not necessarily...many of my friends and family have made their final wishes known (cremation vs. burial) but no Will.

Christ, like any of your friends were global icons with friggin' music vaults at the back of their gardens...

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Reply #18 posted 04/29/16 2:51pm

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Wishful thinking again... "There's no way", "He must have...", "I can't imagine"... "Almost certainly"... "I'm pretty sure"... Those are the only things I read from people who claim there must be will. What does that say? Absolutely nothing.
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Reply #19 posted 04/29/16 2:52pm

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BanishedBrian said:

filthyrichyuppie said:

No no no...let me explain?

I make two arguments...

The first, his strict instructions to be cremated means he must have done more. You say, we don't know. I say, ok we don't. Hardly a point in your favor though is it?

Just to be on the safe side, I add to the argument by mentioning his history of micromanaging in life vs. death. Of course, you hadn't got this far. So ignored it. Sigh.

Once again, there is no basis to say he left any strict or other instructions to be cremated. As far as we know, he left no instructions regarding what to do, and his sister, as next of kin, followed the practice of the place of worship he was known to attend.

Being a micromanager is actually consistent with having no will. I'm a total micromanager at every level, and I also have no will (though I've known for years I need to get around doing one).

Many of us skip such things because we figure "I'll get around to it later - I'm not going to die tomorrow." Prince might have been the same.

OMG. I agreed with you on my first point (even though this is hardly a point in your favor). As for your micromanaging response...even you don't beleive this do you? Of course you might not leave a will, but then you're not a global music icon with a lucrative collection of songs to worry about. I think I might be going mad here.

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Reply #20 posted 04/29/16 2:53pm

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filthyrichyuppie said:

He leaves strict instructions for what happens to his body after death but none for his musical legacy? No way. Someone who micromanaged his output in life will almost certainly have done the same in death. I'm pretty sure some form of document will turn up.

I thought the same thing. Also, the way he was protective of his music not being on youtube etc. Unless Prince really didn't care about money at the end.

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Reply #21 posted 04/29/16 2:54pm

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OperatingThetan said:

BanishedBrian said:

We have no reason to believe that he gave strict/written instructions for what to do with his body. Rather, Tyka likely just followed standard JW protocol, as the religion requires prompt cremation.

The religion resolutely does not require a prompt cremation. I was formerly involved with JW's for years and know from experience.

You're right - I was remembering what I'd read last week incorrectly.

The choice to cremate or bury would be open, but following JW custom, it should happen as quickly as possible (e.g., as first-century Jews typically were buried on the day of death), which is why Tyka would have done it so quickly.

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Reply #22 posted 04/29/16 2:54pm

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NorthC said:

Wishful thinking again... "There's no way", "He must have...", "I can't imagine"... Those are the only things I read from people who claim there must be will. What does that say? Absolutely nothing.

Actually, this response tells me a lot about you. You didn't think I was trying to frame my words as fact, did you?

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Reply #23 posted 04/29/16 2:56pm

NorthC

filthyrichyuppie said:



NorthC said:


Wishful thinking again... "There's no way", "He must have...", "I can't imagine"... Those are the only things I read from people who claim there must be will. What does that say? Absolutely nothing.

Actually, this response tells me a lot about you. You didn't think I was trying to frame my words as fact, did you?


What WERE you trying to do then?
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Reply #24 posted 04/29/16 2:57pm

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filthyrichyuppie said:

BanishedBrian said:

Once again, there is no basis to say he left any strict or other instructions to be cremated. As far as we know, he left no instructions regarding what to do, and his sister, as next of kin, followed the practice of the place of worship he was known to attend.

Being a micromanager is actually consistent with having no will. I'm a total micromanager at every level, and I also have no will (though I've known for years I need to get around doing one).

Many of us skip such things because we figure "I'll get around to it later - I'm not going to die tomorrow." Prince might have been the same.

OMG. I agreed with you on my first point (even though this is hardly a point in your favor). As for your micromanaging response...even you don't beleive this do you? Of course you might not leave a will, but then you're not a global music icon with a lucrative collection of songs to worry about. I think I might be going mad here.

True, but I have a multi-million dollar estate... the point is that some people don't get around to leaving wills.

In Prince's case, he really had no heirs, so that would be one consideration in terms of worrying about what would happen to his assets.

As for the Vault... we know from many interviews that he was conflicted about what to do with it, and seemed unsure. Jimmy Jam recited recent conversations that consisted of respones from Prince like "maybe".

Prince lived in the moment musically. Anyone who's been with him on the entire ride of his career knows that. It's quite possible his sole focus before he died were on current projects, not what to do with all the dusty old tapes he'd time capsuled years earlier.

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Reply #25 posted 04/29/16 3:20pm

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NorthC said:

filthyrichyuppie said:

Actually, this response tells me a lot about you. You didn't think I was trying to frame my words as fact, did you?

What WERE you trying to do then?

Vent, of course. How could it be factual? You actually think I know something the rest of the world doesn't? Wow.

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Reply #26 posted 04/29/16 3:22pm

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Prince was reckless with his business. It's like him to think he'd speak his death into existence just by planning his post-mortem affairs.

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Reply #27 posted 04/29/16 3:47pm

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I'm not surprised he didn't have a will. It's typical Prince. Anything expected of him, he would do the opposite. Remember, this is a guy who refused to count his birthdays in order to stay young at heart. I think he saw writing a will in the same way - thinking it's best to avoid such things because it takes him away from "living in the now" or whatever. It sucks for us now, with the ownership of his legacy up in the air, but it's typical Prince. If you tell him to walk a straight line, he put on crooked shoes.

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Reply #28 posted 04/29/16 4:00pm

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I believe Prince believed he would live thousands of years. The best thing his family can do is follow what the court says, not fight and get to releasing music from the Vault, etc. ASAP. I'm sure some fans will feel like his family is just cashing in but the way I see it all that time and energy recording all that music should not go to waste and people will enjoy hearing new music. None of us know how long we have to live, nothing is guaranteed and death is always a reminder we must live for today. I believe Prince has gone to a better place that is like 1000 times the feeling of love.
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Reply #29 posted 04/29/16 4:45pm

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Prince was reckless with his business. It's like him to think he'd speak his death into existence just by planning his post-mortem affairs.

Yes, this! Prince may have been contolling but he was very reckless and disorganized when it came to his business affairs. If it turns out he does not have a will I would not be at all surprised.

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