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Thread started 04/29/16 6:22am

2elijah

From Mashable: Prince videos probably coming down soon because that's what he would have wanted

Got this from drfunkenberry's site: looks like some vids are being taken down. I'm glad somebody is taking notice of this.

http://mashable.com/2016/...iEZvFTwPqX

By Emily Blake

LOS ANGELES — In the days since Prince's death at age 57, fan-shot performance videos from the music icon's concerts have started popping up in droves on YouTube — something that never would've happened while he was alive.

Enjoy them while they last. It's likely that most won't stay up for long.

In life, Prince was so personally invested in protecting his copyrights that violators sometimes got him on the other end of a telephone call. In death — after a torrent of well-meaning but unauthorized uploads — mop-up is left to the anti-piracy firm he used, some built-in tools on YouTube, his estate and any other interested parties who may want to take up the torch.


It was only two years ago that Prince announced he was suing 22 people for $1 million each. While 20 of the defendants remained anonymous, two were identified as Dan Chodera and Karina Jindrov, everyday fans who ran a Prince fan page on Facebook.

These 22 people had uploaded performance videos to Facebook or blogs, which in the lawsuit Prince equated to "thousands of separate acts of infringement and bootlegging."

While, yes, he dropped the case just a day later, it sent a strong message: Prince doesn't like you posting his performances online.

And yes, he might just sue you if you do.


So it's no surprise that performance videos from the Purple One are seemingly starting to be removed from YouTube.

A fan-shot video of his final performance of "Purple Rain" — which was shared by several media outlets — has been removed due to a copyright claim by Web Sheriff, the anti-piracy firm that Prince worked with from 2007 up until his death. Web Sheriff has already issued takedown notices for over 1,000 files on file-sharing websites in the week since his death.

Unlike other file-sharing sites, YouTube takedown notices are not reported online. But chances are, this is just the beginning.

When Prince first started working with Web Sheriff, founder John Giacobbi told The Guardian that it wasn't about money, but artist control.

"He wants to set a template. We don't want to get rid of everything but want to separate proper, normal content from commercial pirates," he said at the time. "He wants people to see his art as he originally perceived it, not on a mobile phone bootleg or whatever."

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Seven years later, in 2014, Prince took tighter control over his catalog by bringing his music publishing in-house through his own NPG Music Publishing. NPG was described as "founded by artists for artists."

Meaning, even Prince himself would partake in takedown requests.

In an interview with The Frame, yourlisten.com's Scott Goodman said that, when Prince pulled his music from everywhere but Tidal, he got a call from Prince himself asking for the removal of his music from the site.

"We never had the artist decide to physically call us and ask us to take that music down," he said.

Representatives for Web Sheriff and NPG Publishing did not respond to Mashable's request for comment on whether they plan to pursue takedowns for the videos. Representatives for Prince and YouTube had no comment.

James Sammataro, a Miami entertainment lawyer with experience in copyright and intellectual property law, anticipates some "aggressive plays" in the next few days and weeks.

A source familiar with the management of Prince's content tells Mashable that his music was managed through a mixture of Content ID and DMCA (Digital Millennium Copyright Act) takedown notices. Content ID allows artists to provide reference files for their work so that YouTube can match them against fan uploads, giving them the choice to block, make money from or track user engagement on claimed videos.


While this is highly effective when a fan uploads, say, an album version of "Purple Rain," it's a little trickier for live performance videos.

Due to the massive number of videos posted in the past few days alone, Sammataro says "they're going to have to evaluate which ones are really damaging."
They also may be considering the potential for profit and the risk of alienating fans.

"It's interesting because they're being posted in a respectful manner, to respect the legacy and pay tribute to him," he added. "But this would go against the very grain of what he believed in, and they should be guarded and treated in the highest respects.
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Reply #1 posted 04/29/16 6:44am

keenly

Crazy.

The best way to honor Prince is to flood Youtube with videos. Spread his music.

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Reply #2 posted 04/29/16 7:01am

2elijah

keenly said:

Crazy.



The best way to honor Prince is to flood Youtube with videos. Spread his music.


Well apparently whomever is taking some of those vids down, know that fans posting YouTube vids of Prince's music/performances is something Prince would not have wanted. Looks like they have a lot of work on their hands.
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Reply #3 posted 04/29/16 7:12am

FunkiestOne

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2elijah said:

keenly said:

Crazy.

The best way to honor Prince is to flood Youtube with videos. Spread his music.

Well apparently whomever is taking some of those vids down, know that fans posting YouTube vids of Prince's music/performances is something Prince would not have wanted. Looks like they have a lot of work on their hands. [Edited 4/29/16 7:05am]

Bullsh*t. He only didn't want vids on Youtube because he wasn't getting paid for them. Do you think now he is upset that his half brother that he hasnt' talked to in 15 years isn't getting paid for them???

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Reply #4 posted 04/29/16 7:15am

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They also may be considering the potential for profit and the risk of alienating fans.

Yeah no kidding. We respected Prince's wishes on this (however goofy and self-sabotaging they were), but we really don't respect what the record companies want. And I don't know that we care if his siblings get a few extra million $ over what they will already get when Prince never really intended them to get anything or that much to begin with.\

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Reply #5 posted 04/29/16 7:33am

2elijah

FunkiestOne said:



2elijah said:


keenly said:

Crazy.



The best way to honor Prince is to flood Youtube with videos. Spread his music.



Well apparently whomever is taking some of those vids down, know that fans posting YouTube vids of Prince's music/performances is something Prince would not have wanted. Looks like they have a lot of work on their hands. [Edited 4/29/16 7:05am]


Bullsh*t. He only didn't want vids on Youtube because he wasn't getting paid for them. Do you think now he is upset that his half brother that he hasnt' talked to in 15 years isn't getting paid for them???





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Lmao. So where is that anger going to get you? You could make all kinds of assumptions as to what his siblings will do/might do with his music material if they are given the rights to it.

But at the end of the day, no matter your anger, neither you nor I have any control over whomever will be making the decision to take some of those Prince vids down. So you may as well... r e l a x.
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Reply #6 posted 04/29/16 7:48am

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I am seriously so fucking sick of this shit. The people are posting those videos on youtube to honor Prince. Maybe there are some people on the site who posted these videos to stick it to the man but it is all love for the most part. If Prince did not originally want folks to post his stuff, he had every opportunity imaginable to start a vevo channel of his own. It was damn near impossible for years to find a prince album or song online without restoring to illegal means or paying inflated prices for it on sites like amazon and thats why a lot of kids right now say they dont know who he is. Nobody can profit from posting a prince song on youtube necause you have to be accepted into the partner program and that is really hard to do. Prince's estate is going to draw money regardless of whether or not someone posts his music on youtube. Prince was never soup kitchen poor even when he was putting out these really stupid albums during the period of 2000 and beyond so i never saw the reason to bully his fans and just be mean and spiteful. Do you see Afeni Shakur fighting to get Tupac's videos taken off of youtube? Do you see Lisa Marie or Priscilla Presley fighting to get elvis's stuff taken off of youtube? Do you see Iman ahaking her fists and growling at Bowie's fans to take down his videos? No, you dont and you never will because they realize that people still buy albums and those pages are put up to pay respect to those perspective artists. Nobody honors an artist with malacious thoughts in mind. Prince is the only one who gave his fans bullshit about this and apparently still does even though his estate is like $300 million and will be fine without a few extra bucks. I dont believe in tidal. I think the whole idea of tidal is more about servicing greedy millionaires and less about providing a good product for the fans. I hope that the people continue to post their prince videos regardless of whether they are taken down or not.
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Reply #7 posted 04/29/16 8:03am

dolphinkiing23

.. snitches.

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Reply #8 posted 04/29/16 9:20am

wishuhvn

I was just on You Tube and have to say that it does bother me to see so much released and unreleased Prince on there. It's not about someone getting paid or not getting paid but I don't think he would have like it. It's the massive amount of music that's been uploaded, it's too much for people to appreciate. A steady stream would be fine but this is a fire hose of uploads and yes, I understand it's to honor the man. Will people really have the time to appreciate so much great music?

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Reply #9 posted 04/29/16 9:26am

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The whole Youtube thing seems so trivial now he's gone. I felt like everyone sharing his music and talent was the only good thing that came from this. Younger people being exposed to a legend who shows what a REAL live performance is.

Now we're going back to the Prince as a hidden treasure that only a few can get access to.

Sad, really.

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Reply #10 posted 04/29/16 9:28am

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Tyka will stop them.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #11 posted 04/29/16 9:56am

keenly

dolphinkiing23 said:

.. snitches.

Get stitches.....

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Reply #12 posted 04/29/16 9:56am

keenly

FunkiestOne said:

2elijah said:

keenly said: Well apparently whomever is taking some of those vids down, know that fans posting YouTube vids of Prince's music/performances is something Prince would not have wanted. Looks like they have a lot of work on their hands. [Edited 4/29/16 7:05am]

Bullsh*t. He only didn't want vids on Youtube because he wasn't getting paid for them. Do you think now he is upset that his half brother that he hasnt' talked to in 15 years isn't getting paid for them???

[Edited 4/29/16 7:15am]

Indeed.

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Reply #13 posted 04/29/16 9:59am

BanishedBrian

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I am seriously so fucking sick of this shit. The people are posting those videos on youtube to honor Prince. Maybe there are some people on the site who posted these videos to stick it to the man but it is all love for the most part. If Prince did not originally want folks to post his stuff, he had every opportunity imaginable to start a vevo channel of his own. It was damn near impossible for years to find a prince album or song online without restoring to illegal means or paying inflated prices for it on sites like amazon and thats why a lot of kids right now say they dont know who he is. Nobody can profit from posting a prince song on youtube necause you have to be accepted into the partner program and that is really hard to do. Prince's estate is going to draw money regardless of whether or not someone posts his music on youtube. Prince was never soup kitchen poor even when he was putting out these really stupid albums during the period of 2000 and beyond so i never saw the reason to bully his fans and just be mean and spiteful. Do you see Afeni Shakur fighting to get Tupac's videos taken off of youtube? Do you see Lisa Marie or Priscilla Presley fighting to get elvis's stuff taken off of youtube? Do you see Iman ahaking her fists and growling at Bowie's fans to take down his videos? No, you dont and you never will because they realize that people still buy albums and those pages are put up to pay respect to those perspective artists. Nobody honors an artist with malacious thoughts in mind. Prince is the only one who gave his fans bullshit about this and apparently still does even though his estate is like $300 million and will be fine without a few extra bucks. I dont believe in tidal. I think the whole idea of tidal is more about servicing greedy millionaires and less about providing a good product for the fans. I hope that the people continue to post their prince videos regardless of whether they are taken down or not.

Word.

No Candy 4 Me
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Reply #14 posted 04/29/16 10:03am

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Does it effect Prince? No, sadly he's gone.

Does it effect his plans for his work? So far, doesn't seem like he had any.
Are fans enjoying it and celebrating his life? Yes.

Was it already out there, just a little more underground? Yes.

The way I see it, the only valid reason for the currenty crop, or the unseen content of the vault to not be shared is if their are specific plans for them to be used for charitably causes, or that money needs be spent to restore them and sales will be required to recover that cost.

To me, its important for whoever eventually controls the masters to realise that the Fans already paid for every note and image. They funded it.

Prince produced wonderful music, we bought it. That funded the studio time to produce more. What paid studio time that led to the recording of Rebirth of The flesh? My purchase of Parade.

Prince went on tour and we bought the tickets. That funded the rehearsals, the camera crews and the massive profits.

When I watch a Youtube video of a Diamonds & Pearls concert I attended, my ticket purchase covered the hiring of the venue, and the camera crew and film and a nice profit for Prince to live very well (totally deserved).

If the powers that be begin to package up nice anthology material, sure I'll buy them. But in the meantime, I'm not going to lose any sleep over watching and sharing something that I already paid for and has now consquence to Prince.

We know Prince wanted to profit from the likes of You Tube, hence his stance. But I bet he would hate even more the idea of nameless third parties making more than he did by his death.

Unless a will comes to light, about how Prince wants the vault to be handled, then the only people with an interest in taking this stuff down are those that look to monitise his legacy.


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