gatorgirl said:

nelcp777 said:

MMJas said:

I think it's really well written. Tasteful, informative and not speculating. The fact that that guy saw Prince at the pharmacist and declined to say whether Prince looked ill or not says a lot about his character, don't you think? So glad there are still people like that in the world.

The article seems to assume that he had, indeed, a serious ilness, without mentioning it but conveying its seriousness nonetheless. Don't you just wish all journalists wrote like that?

But yes, accidental overdose.

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I agree with a lot of your points. I miss writing like this. Fair, objective and respectful.

I believe Prince may have been ill for some time (my opinion). I think the guy at the pharmicist was extremely respectful.

I am curious about a couple of things;

1. If Prince had an appointment on Thursday (the one that he missed and caused alarm), how was he supposed to travel? Was a driver to pick him up or would he drive himself? The reason I ask, if he was supposed to use a driver, why was the concern not sooner? I hope this makes sense.

2. If Prince had been ill, then the comments by other associates that Prince thought he would live longer (therefore no need to do a will) seems contradictory to what we have learned.

3. The hospital visit on Weds raises eyebrows. It appears Prince did not have a stable general physician. Speculating, Prince has mulitple doctors seeing him in, let's say 1 month span for arguements sake, and diangnosing him and possibly prescribing meds for him. This seems to cultivate to what we are now mourning. Again speculation.

I also read an interesting article from Prince's chef. In paraphasing, the chef said that for the last few months, Prince had not been his normal energetic self. What I found interesting was, according to the chef, that the last meal that was made Weds night, Prince instructed him to leave it on the counter (paraphasing). The meal had never been touched.

This seems to support the articles time line in discovery and accidental overdose or negative reaction to the meds.

Those are pertinent questions you make.
1. True about that Thursday medical appointment. Why did nobody go and pick him up earlier?

2. Him being ill for a while and having no will does not compute for me.

3. Perhaps that was the whole idea, not going to the same doctor?

That article by his personal chef (bless him, the man and his wife really seemed to care for him and were very respectful) made me think that perhaps he died on the 20th.

As for the ilness: it does not necessarily have to be aids. His hip and ankle problems must have been tremendous. He changed his shoes and started using a cane. He must have been in agony. My sister suffers from chronic neck and back pain and her activity levels have came down a lot in the last few years. She's very tired all the time and in constant pain, no matter what position she is in. So yes, perhaps that was enough of an "ilness" to make him dependant on those meds like we now realize he must have been (undestandably so, I've seen my sister suffer tremendously) and to seem not himself to others.

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If... "was already in rigor mortis when officers responded" why would CPR be attempted? That doesn't make sense to me.

jtfolden said:

If... "was already in rigor mortis when officers responded" why would CPR be attempted? That doesn't make sense to me.

even paramedics get starstruck i guess. they damn near killed michael twice trying to bring him back. Bruce Lee too. Elvis was so blue a medic thought he was black and wondered why people were doing cpr on someone that was so obviously dead. Desperation, panic, the surrealness of the situation all trump training.

luv4u said:

irinact said:

I understand. But in the photos from Atlanta show, Prince's face was so thin that looked almost like Freddie Mercury's bony face.

Peeps that attended the shows raved about the shows. He came back too soon to perform.

he sacrificed himself on his own altar. living up to our expectations and to his own image of himself. taking pills for chronic pain even while dancing around on stage all carefree for us. i had NO idea he was in such pain. no idea he was suffering alone. the weight of his crown must have been terrible

XxAxX said:

luv4u said:

Peeps that attended the shows raved about the shows. He came back too soon to perform.

he sacrificed himself on his own altar. living up to our expectations and to his own image of himself. taking pills for chronic pain even while dancing around on stage all carefree for us. i had NO idea he was in such pain. no idea he was suffering alone. the weight of his crown must have been terrible

You have a strong point here.

OzlemUcucu said:

I am hoping his full autopsy will not be made official, because it is nobodys business. If he was not famous they wouldn't even have done an autopsy on him under these given circumstances. I think it's already bad enough that it needed to be done to shut the public quiet. Horrible, really!

Whatever it was that caused Prince to die I don't want to know in detail. I don't want to know how long he was in the elevator. All these information is for our own curiosity and it's not like we could have helped him if we had known his illness beforehand. Death is the most private thing to a human. I respected Prince to much for wanting to know his private health issues causing his death. I guess you all know what I mean..

i'm ashamed of my curiosity, i've been to this thread more than once. i'm looking for reassurance or closure, something that would explain why i thought he was okay but then he turned up deceased. but it's not here. only more questions.

[Edited 4/29/16 17:11pm]

XxAxX said:

OzlemUcucu said:

I am hoping his full autopsy will not be made official, because it is nobodys business. If he was not famous they wouldn't even have done an autopsy on him under these given circumstances. I think it's already bad enough that it needed to be done to shut the public quiet. Horrible, really!

Whatever it was that caused Prince to die I don't want to know in detail. I don't want to know how long he was in the elevator. All these information is for our own curiosity and it's not like we could have helped him if we had known his illness beforehand. Death is the most private thing to a human. I respected Prince to much for wanting to know his private health issues causing his death. I guess you all know what I mean..

i'm ashamed of my curiosity, i've been to this thread more than once. i'm looking for reassurance or closure, something that would explain why i thought he was okay but then he turned up deceased. but it's not here. only more questions.

[Edited 4/29/16 17:11pm]

No need to be ashamed. It is more a mixture of curiousity and care. Natural.

nelcp777 said:

XxAxX said:

he sacrificed himself on his own altar. living up to our expectations and to his own image of himself. taking pills for chronic pain even while dancing around on stage all carefree for us. i had NO idea he was in such pain. no idea he was suffering alone. the weight of his crown must have been terrible

You have a strong point here.

it's breaking my heart, all the eccentricities he was known for, ultimately lead to his death. he was suffering alone and if only he'd had feet of clay maybe someone could have helped him through this health crisis. but, he was solid marble, head to toe. he lived and died for his art. it's a classic tragic arc. but, i thought he was immortal....

MMJas said:

nelcp777 said:

I agree with a lot of your points. I miss writing like this. Fair, objective and respectful.

I believe Prince may have been ill for some time (my opinion). I think the guy at the pharmicist was extremely respectful.

I am curious about a couple of things;

1. If Prince had an appointment on Thursday (the one that he missed and caused alarm), how was he supposed to travel? Was a driver to pick him up or would he drive himself? The reason I ask, if he was supposed to use a driver, why was the concern not sooner? I hope this makes sense.

2. If Prince had been ill, then the comments by other associates that Prince thought he would live longer (therefore no need to do a will) seems contradictory to what we have learned.

3. The hospital visit on Weds raises eyebrows. It appears Prince did not have a stable general physician. Speculating, Prince has mulitple doctors seeing him in, let's say 1 month span for arguements sake, and diangnosing him and possibly prescribing meds for him. This seems to cultivate to what we are now mourning. Again speculation.

I also read an interesting article from Prince's chef. In paraphasing, the chef said that for the last few months, Prince had not been his normal energetic self. What I found interesting was, according to the chef, that the last meal that was made Weds night, Prince instructed him to leave it on the counter (paraphasing). The meal had never been touched.

This seems to support the articles time line in discovery and accidental overdose or negative reaction to the meds.

Those are pertinent questions you make.
1. True about that Thursday medical appointment. Why did nobody go and pick him up earlier?

2. Him being ill for a while and having no will does not compute for me.

3. Perhaps that was the whole idea, not going to the same doctor?

That article by his personal chef (bless him, the man and his wife really seemed to care for him and were very respectful) made me think that perhaps he died on the 20th.

As for the ilness: it does not necessarily have to be aids. His hip and ankle problems must have been tremendous. He changed his shoes and started using a cane. He must have been in agony. My sister suffers from chronic neck and back pain and her activity levels have came down a lot in the last few years. She's very tired all the time and in constant pain, no matter what position she is in. So yes, perhaps that was enough of an "ilness" to make him dependant on those meds like we now realize he must have been (undestandably so, I've seen my sister suffer tremendously) and to seem not himself to others.

[Edited 4/29/16 14:40pm]

The article with the chef was very sincere and I think is pivotal to thw time line.

I agree with your point about not going to the same doctor. It is a very dangerous game though.

I am dumbfounded by the lack of will but maybe Prince just did not worry about it? I don't know.

I hope as things are released, these questions I have have some form of an answer.

Lastly, I will say that I do not believe his illness is AIDS. I believe it is fatigue from the chronic pain and possible meds. I truly feel, his body just gave out. Again speculation not rumors.

I do not think he was an addict. I think he use the meds as a last resort. WHich may explain why he "OD".

Thoughts?

XxAxX said:

OzlemUcucu said:

I am hoping his full autopsy will not be made official, because it is nobodys business. If he was not famous they wouldn't even have done an autopsy on him under these given circumstances. I think it's already bad enough that it needed to be done to shut the public quiet. Horrible, really!

Whatever it was that caused Prince to die I don't want to know in detail. I don't want to know how long he was in the elevator. All these information is for our own curiosity and it's not like we could have helped him if we had known his illness beforehand. Death is the most private thing to a human. I respected Prince to much for wanting to know his private health issues causing his death. I guess you all know what I mean..

i'm ashamed of my curiosity, i've been to this thread more than once. i'm looking for reassurance or closure, something that would explain why i thought he was okay but then he turned up deceased. but it's not here. only more questions.

[Edited 4/29/16 17:11pm]

I don't think you need closure. You wrote two posts earlier so well what was going on in his world, and I think this is all we need to know. This is the best closure we can get, a new glimpse of his mindset. I am so not interested in the autopsy reports as this is not bringing Prince back. It's just for the media outlets. Strangely I don't give a shit about the vault either. I mean what good is the music for if Prince can't perform it live? This was what it was all about, waiting to see him live. He was no studio artist, so really who cares.

I realise I am a little angry, maybe it will get better. All the folks posting his stuff on youtube. Let me ask you: Why are you doing this knowing Prince hated it? Why don't you just show some respect it's only been a week.Geez.

OzlemUcucu said:

XxAxX said:

i'm ashamed of my curiosity, i've been to this thread more than once. i'm looking for reassurance or closure, something that would explain why i thought he was okay but then he turned up deceased. but it's not here. only more questions.

[Edited 4/29/16 17:11pm]

I don't think you need closure. You wrote two posts earlier so well what was going on in his world, and I think this is all we need to know. This is the best closure we can get, a new glimpse of his mindset. I am so not interested in the autopsy reports as this is not bringing Prince back. It's just for the media outlets. Strangely I don't give a shit about the vault either. I mean what good is the music for if Prince can't perform it live? This was what it was all about, waiting to see him live. He was no studio artist, so really who cares.

I realise I am a little angry, maybe it will get better. All the folks posting his stuff on youtube. Let me ask you: Why are you doing this knowing Prince hated it? Why don't you just show some respect it's only been a week.Geez.

first laugh i've had here in a while. you silly! what are YOU doing here then scolding me? ahhh. the org. i guess i'm angry too. i want answers. that's why i'm doing it. i'm drawn to the org because it's where i hang out online, but the ONLY forum open right now is here. and the ONLY threads right now are all strange, and about prince's demise one way or another.

nelcp777 said:

MMJas said:

Those are pertinent questions you make.
1. True about that Thursday medical appointment. Why did nobody go and pick him up earlier?

2. Him being ill for a while and having no will does not compute for me.

3. Perhaps that was the whole idea, not going to the same doctor?

That article by his personal chef (bless him, the man and his wife really seemed to care for him and were very respectful) made me think that perhaps he died on the 20th.

As for the ilness: it does not necessarily have to be aids. His hip and ankle problems must have been tremendous. He changed his shoes and started using a cane. He must have been in agony. My sister suffers from chronic neck and back pain and her activity levels have came down a lot in the last few years. She's very tired all the time and in constant pain, no matter what position she is in. So yes, perhaps that was enough of an "ilness" to make him dependant on those meds like we now realize he must have been (undestandably so, I've seen my sister suffer tremendously) and to seem not himself to others.

[Edited 4/29/16 14:40pm]

The article with the chef was very sincere and I think is pivotal to thw time line.

I agree with your point about not going to the same doctor. It is a very dangerous game though.

I am dumbfounded by the lack of will but maybe Prince just did not worry about it? I don't know.

I hope as things are released, these questions I have have some form of an answer.

Lastly, I will say that I do not believe his illness is AIDS. I believe it is fatigue from the chronic pain and possible meds. I truly feel, his body just gave out. Again speculation not rumors.

I do not think he was an addict. I think he use the meds as a last resort. WHich may explain why he "OD".

Thoughts?

Exactly. Theoretically Prince was death on day of the emergency landing. Between then and 21 not much happened except in Prince's mind. He was too frantic instead of letting go and resting, too upset about that incident, too busy with everything. Everybody knew Atlanta was too soon for him, but in his mind he was in hurry like everything else he was in and to cover all this shit up. He was helpless.

XxAxX said:

OzlemUcucu said:

I don't think you need closure. You wrote two posts earlier so well what was going on in his world, and I think this is all we need to know. This is the best closure we can get, a new glimpse of his mindset. I am so not interested in the autopsy reports as this is not bringing Prince back. It's just for the media outlets. Strangely I don't give a shit about the vault either. I mean what good is the music for if Prince can't perform it live? This was what it was all about, waiting to see him live. He was no studio artist, so really who cares.

I realise I am a little angry, maybe it will get better. All the folks posting his stuff on youtube. Let me ask you: Why are you doing this knowing Prince hated it? Why don't you just show some respect it's only been a week.Geez.

first laugh i've had here in a while. you silly! what are YOU doing here then scolding me? ahhh. the org. i guess i'm angry too. i want answers. that's why i'm doing it. i'm drawn to the org because it's where i hang out online, but the ONLY forum open right now is here. and the ONLY threads right now are all strange, and about prince's demise one way or another.

About youtube I was not specifically referrering to you. I just noticed too many stuff are out there and it upsets me so much. Just cause Prince can't defend his music does not mean you can do what you want with it. In a few days time all the wacko fans will be flooding with comments and I don't want to read stuff like that. Prince was right about these fools.

I have no idea where we are going from here. There is no guide left to guide me through purple rain and I begin dislike/hate everybody who is trying to benefit from him.

LOL. I am clearly in an angry state.

OzlemUcucu said:

XxAxX said:

first laugh i've had here in a while. you silly! what are YOU doing here then scolding me? ahhh. the org. i guess i'm angry too. i want answers. that's why i'm doing it. i'm drawn to the org because it's where i hang out online, but the ONLY forum open right now is here. and the ONLY threads right now are all strange, and about prince's demise one way or another.

About youtube I was not specifically referrering to you. I just noticed too many stuff are out there and it upsets me so much. Just cause Prince can't defend his music does not mean you can do what you want with it. In a few days time all the wacko fans will be flooding with comments and I don't want to read stuff like that. Prince was right about these fools.

I have no idea where we are going from here. There is no guide left to guide me through purple rain and I begin dislike/hate everybody who is trying to benefit from him.

LOL. I am clearly in an angry state.

oh, sorry i got it wrong. i'm still not 100% over this. i'm feeling the same way. really disturbed about all of this. it's a shock to my system and my outlook on life. it's such a dang tragic waste. just.... does not compute.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/music/celebrity/what-killed-prince-search-warrant-served-on-singers-pharmacy/ar-BBsrifH?ocid=spartanntp

...

MZ has reported that authorities are really interested in the singer's medical records, specifically in his potential intake of Percocet, which it reports he overdosed on just a few days prior to his death. They're also looking for other prescriptions in Prince's name or identifiable aliases.

Investigators are also looking for other pharmacies that Prince may have used, as well as doctors who perhaps prescribed him medication.

In the week after his death, many credible media outlets have floated the idea that Prince died on April 21 perhaps from an overdose.

TMZ, who broke the news of Prince's death, said on April 29 that the iconic singer was able to get his supply of prescription drugs from more than one doctor, and at least one of them was a "personal friend."

If he was addicted to prescription painkillers, as some believe, it's all too likely that he doctor shopped and had more than one medical professional prescribing him pills. Percocet and similar painkillers are a controlled substance, and a single doctor who prescribes an excessive number of pills will be flagged by state and federal authorities.

homesquid said:

lwr001 said:

the whole save your prayers for a couple of days Look at his appearance at the 2014 grammy awards prsent SOY to Gyote and look at the appearance since..a preciptious drop in weight., look etc

Good points. I mean it doesn't REALLY matter whether he died from AIDS or choked to death on a bowl of Cap'n Crunch but how can any of us not want to know the truth? Is it really that shameful these days? Does anyone think Freddie Mercury was any less awesome because of how he died?

I agree. no shame in having AIDS, or any other illness. Prince's situation is uinque to most though. His music, sort of maybe promoted promiscuity in the 80's. If he had AIDS, I think the public should know, given the sexual nature of his music and how it might lead future generations to just kind of know the other side of things are real too, if he really had it. For me already, just knowing he might have had it, I view his music differently.

XxAxX said:

OzlemUcucu said:

About youtube I was not specifically referrering to you. I just noticed too many stuff are out there and it upsets me so much. Just cause Prince can't defend his music does not mean you can do what you want with it. In a few days time all the wacko fans will be flooding with comments and I don't want to read stuff like that. Prince was right about these fools.

I have no idea where we are going from here. There is no guide left to guide me through purple rain and I begin dislike/hate everybody who is trying to benefit from him.

LOL. I am clearly in an angry state.

oh, sorry i got it wrong. i'm still not 100% over this. i'm feeling the same way. really disturbed about all of this. it's a shock to my system and my outlook on life. it's such a dang tragic waste. just.... does not compute.

What's your opinion on the youtube situation? Maybe I am being too hard, but how can posting of concert recordings on utube be an honorouble tribute if people damn well know this was not his vision? Soon there will be random ass mixers butchering his music followed by other random ass folks doing voice over on his music. Is this what ppl want to see en masse? Random ass folks posting nonsensical comments? We don't need youtube to share his music, we always had other ways to share them - avoiding random ass folks.

funksterr said:

homesquid said:

Good points. I mean it doesn't REALLY matter whether he died from AIDS or choked to death on a bowl of Cap'n Crunch but how can any of us not want to know the truth? Is it really that shameful these days? Does anyone think Freddie Mercury was any less awesome because of how he died?

I agree. no shame in having AIDS, or any other illness. Prince's situation is uinque to most though. His music, sort of maybe promoted promiscuity in the 80's. If he had AIDS, I think the public should know, given the sexual nature of his music and how it might lead future generations to just kind of know the other side of things are real too, if he really had it. For me already, just knowing he might have had it, I view his music differently.

We talked about this yesterday you remember. I spent some thinking on this today. I know now for sure Prince definitely had no HIV. This is no longer an option.

OzlemUcucu said:

XxAxX said:

oh, sorry i got it wrong. i'm still not 100% over this. i'm feeling the same way. really disturbed about all of this. it's a shock to my system and my outlook on life. it's such a dang tragic waste. just.... does not compute.

What's your opinion on the youtube situation? Maybe I am being too hard, but how can posting of concert recordings on utube be an honorouble tribute if people damn well know this was not his vision? Soon there will be random ass mixers butchering his music followed by other random ass folks doing voice over on his music. Is this what ppl want to see en masse? Random ass folks posting nonsensical comments? We don't need youtube to share his music, we always had other ways to share them - avoiding random ass folks.

well, i'm wondering why his attorneys aren't doing a better job of squelching things. but, i'm guessing they're on it and are having trouble keeping up.

.

my opinion is i think it's pretty disrespectful to "pay tribute" to prince by posting clips that he would have forbidden online.

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but, the majority of casual fans wouldn't really see it this way. they won't really know his quirky the way we all do.

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i think it will all eventually be removed, and in the meantime will lead to an explosion of interest, which will lead to more sales.

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because it's a tribute, immediately following his death, i sort of get it why people are abusing his wishes in such a way. but i don't think it's cool.

.

then again, his music has sold out overnight, and people are still wanting to hear it. they can listen on youtube for now

.

i see both sides. for this week, i think it's almost okay

[Edited 4/29/16 18:14pm]

Stephiep76 said:

PeteSilas said:

XxAxX said:

OzlemUcucu said:

What's your opinion on the youtube situation? Maybe I am being too hard, but how can posting of concert recordings on utube be an honorouble tribute if people damn well know this was not his vision? Soon there will be random ass mixers butchering his music followed by other random ass folks doing voice over on his music. Is this what ppl want to see en masse? Random ass folks posting nonsensical comments? We don't need youtube to share his music, we always had other ways to share them - avoiding random ass folks.

well, i'm wondering why his attorneys aren't doing a better job of squelching things. but, i'm guessing they're on it and are having trouble keeping up.

.

my opinion is i think it's pretty disrespectful to "pay tribute" to prince by posting clips that he would have forbidden online.

.

but, the majority of casual fans wouldn't really see it this way. they won't really know his quirky the way we all do.

.

i think it will all eventually be removed, and in the meantime will lead to an explosion of interest, which will lead to more sales.

.

because it's a tribute, immediately following his death, i sort of get it why people are abusing his wishes in such a way. but i don't think it's cool.

.

then again, his music has sold out overnight, and people are still wanting to hear it. they can listen on youtube for now

.

i see both sides. for this week, i think it's almost okay

[Edited 4/29/16 18:14pm]

Good points. I already noticed videos are taken down by labels and such. I do believe orgers are amongst utubers. It's very uncool. It's also uncool to supply new members that may be on fb groups and such with bootlegs. They get the freebies and leave the groups. These folks are not fans.

Anyway, for this week, as you say it's almost ok. Next week I will begin reporting all the videos to utube.

OzlemUcucu said:

Anyway, for this week, as you say it's almost ok. Next week I will begin reporting all the videos to utube.

Honestly, I find this attitude of fans policing other fans pretty ridiculous and uncool as well. Let the record labels and attorney's do the job they're paid to do.

[Edited 4/30/16 15:21pm]

XxAxX said:

luv4u said:

Peeps that attended the shows raved about the shows. He came back too soon to perform.

he sacrificed himself on his own altar. living up to our expectations and to his own image of himself. taking pills for chronic pain even while dancing around on stage all carefree for us. i had NO idea he was in such pain. no idea he was suffering alone. the weight of his crown must have been terrible

jtfolden said:

If... "was already in rigor mortis when officers responded" why would CPR be attempted? That doesn't make sense to me.

nursev said:

jtfolden said:

If... "was already in rigor mortis when officers responded" why would CPR be attempted? That doesn't make sense to me.

OzlemUcucu said:

Next week I will begin reporting all the videos to utube.

Pretty uncool.Has it ever occured to you that his wish might have been bound to not allow unauthorized videos on YT during his *lifetime* because of money reasons but that he might not have cared for the time after his *death* ?!

How do you guys know so exactly what his specific wishes were ?

And now you even feel the need to report fellow prince fans to YT because you think it's your obligation...??

Geez some of you have to take a step back a bit and exhale for a moment.

prince was smarter than us, he proved it many times, maybe he wanted that stuff out after he died, i can't see him doing all of that just to sit around after he passed. He thought bigger than us. I doubt if every scrap in the vault is a gem but there will be more than enough great footage to keep us interested for a long time (future listeners too, after we're all gone).

gatorgirl said:

This OD stuff isn't making sense. Polypharmscy is more of an issue and there is no evidence he was taking numerous medications.

This is certainly not evidence and may have been entirely invented. There was a comment left on one of the TMZ articles from someone who posted very specific details about the prescriptions that were picked up at Walgreens. I won't paste it here, but the poster listed multiple prescriptions each for Percocet, Loratab, Ambien, and Xanax.