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Thread started 04/18/16 7:35am

tbokris

Songs Prince didn't write alone

I was curious if we could make a list of Prince songs, that he co-wrote (Slow Love). I read a lot of songs Levi wrote with him. Especially from the early years or up till Emancipation.

I'll start it off:

Do Me Baby (Andre Cymone)

Slow Love (Carole Davis)

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Reply #1 posted 04/18/16 8:08am

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"Do Me baby" is credited 2 prince alone...

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Reply #2 posted 04/18/16 8:11am

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Baby (Chris Moon)

(+ another song or 2 on For You)

Soul Sanctuary (Sandra St Victor) who was not all that pleased how it all happened

Party Up (Morris Day)

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Reply #3 posted 04/18/16 8:11am

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KCOOLMUZIQ said:

"Do Me baby" is credited 2 prince alone...

becasue he took it from A.C.

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Reply #4 posted 04/18/16 8:15am

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That's heresay & has never been PROVEN. I love Andre & have attended his residency here in my city. But if someone stole a song from me EYE would NEVER accept another from him.

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Reply #5 posted 04/18/16 8:20am

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KCOOLMUZIQ said:

That's heresay & has never been PROVEN. I love Andre & have attended his residency here in my city. But if someone stole a song from me EYE would NEVER accept another from him.



it is well accepted lore and there as an AC demo recoded of it from 1979.



and even AC has said it was his song:



From an interview i can not link to as it has some prince songs on it:



"Our friend and sort-of-manager Pepe Willie had a cousin or uncle who was a member of Little Anthony and the Imperials. I knew who they were because I was into them as a kid. Pepe said, “They are looking for songs.” I wrote a song that became controversial, in retrospect, because it became “Do Me, Baby.” I wrote that for the Little Anthony and the Imperials project. That song came out [on Prince’s Controversy] and I didn’t get credit for it. I had written it for a girlfriend at the time. She still has a copy of my demo.



I never got into all the controversy. I thought of it as we were all inspired by each other in the group, Grand Central. I brought things to the musical table, William, Morris, Terry, Charles, Linda, and Prince did too. I didn’t look at it as being ripped off."



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[Edited 4/18/16 8:24am]

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Reply #6 posted 04/18/16 8:34am

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As long as Andre has accepted it. prince has a gift of being able to mimic anyone note 4 note & make it his own sound. Andre would have NEVER been able to make it the hit it has become. So it really is prince's song in the end. He SLAYED it!

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Reply #7 posted 04/18/16 8:36am

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KCOOLMUZIQ said:

"Do Me baby" is credited 2 prince alone...

Prince himself even admitted there were songs that full credit was never given to others

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Reply #8 posted 04/18/16 8:39am

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KCOOLMUZIQ said:

As long as Andre has accepted it. prince has a gift of being able to mimic anyone note 4 note & make it his own sound. Andre would have NEVER been able to make it the hit it has become. So it really is prince's song in the end. He SLAYED it!

That is still 'co creation'

I mean basically what you just described if it was anyone else would be called 'Stealing'

Isn't Led Zeppelin going through that right now?

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Reply #9 posted 04/18/16 8:40am

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The biggest one of all: Purple Rain.

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Reply #10 posted 04/18/16 8:44am

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OldFriends4Sale said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

"Do Me baby" is credited 2 prince alone...

Prince himself even admitted there were songs that full credit was never given to others

Eye never heard him say that....

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Reply #11 posted 04/18/16 8:56am

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KCOOLMUZIQ said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Prince himself even admitted there were songs that full credit was never given to others

Eye never heard him say that....

I believe it was in a 1990 interview

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Reply #12 posted 04/18/16 8:58am

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I believe he said the Ladder & Christopher Tracy's Parade/Little Girl Wendy's Parade has something borrowed from his father.

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Reply #13 posted 04/18/16 9:01am

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Genesia said:

The biggest one of all: Purple Rain.

Before we get into this one, let's remember that Wendy & Lisa both said, "Did we write Purple Rain? No. But did we help it along? Yes." They talked about how they simply switched up some chords. Instead of a Bb, they did a Bbsus7. Instead of Gm, they put a Gm7 (add 4) on it. The Eb changed to Eb(add 2 - which added the F note, which is common throughout every cord pretty much).

Those little changes do completely convert a song's mood and feel. They talked about how the cords were pretty basic at first. Bb - Gm - F - Eb. But you start throwing in 7ths or 9ths, or 4ths, and now you got yourself a hit. For me, those changes are the color everyone credits W&L with in adding to Prince's music.

The more interesting note on this is that Prince felt it was very close to Journey's "Faithfully". From wikipedia,

"After recording the song, Prince phoned Jonathan Cain from Journey asking him to hear it, worried it might be too similar to "Faithfully", a Journey single composed by Cain which had recently been in the charts. Cain reassured Prince telling him the songs only shared the same four chords".

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Reply #14 posted 04/18/16 9:02am

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tbokris said:

Do Me Baby (Andre Cymone)

Either Prince or Andre Cymone stole parts from Eddie Hazel's song "Frantic Moment"

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Reply #15 posted 04/18/16 9:09am

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OldFriends4Sale said:

I believe he said the Ladder & Christopher Tracy's Parade/Little Girl Wendy's Parade has something borrowed from his father.

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True! U right I did read that. I thought it was U.T.C.M. & Purple Rain also. But that's his Father whom he learned from so that's a obvious image of duplication.

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Reply #16 posted 04/18/16 9:58am

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tbokris said:

I was curious if we could make a list of Prince songs, that he co-wrote (Slow Love). I read a lot of songs Levi wrote with him. Especially from the early years or up till Emancipation.

I'll start it off:

Do Me Baby (Andre Cymone)

Slow Love (Carole Davis)

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Ugh, PrinceVault should have a category for those. There's so much data in that site that really should be improved and used for graphs... I mean, just imagine this for Prince.

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Reply #17 posted 04/18/16 10:10am

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TrivialPursuit said:

Genesia said:

The biggest one of all: Purple Rain.

Before we get into this one, let's remember that Wendy & Lisa both said, "Did we write Purple Rain? No. But did we help it along? Yes." They talked about how they simply switched up some chords. Instead of a Bb, they did a Bbsus7. Instead of Gm, they put a Gm7 (add 4) on it. The Eb changed to Eb(add 2 - which added the F note, which is common throughout every cord pretty much).

Those little changes do completely convert a song's mood and feel. They talked about how the cords were pretty basic at first. Bb - Gm - F - Eb. But you start throwing in 7ths or 9ths, or 4ths, and now you got yourself a hit. For me, those changes are the color everyone credits W&L with in adding to Prince's music.

The more interesting note on this is that Prince felt it was very close to Journey's "Faithfully". From wikipedia,

"After recording the song, Prince phoned Jonathan Cain from Journey asking him to hear it, worried it might be too similar to "Faithfully", a Journey single composed by Cain which had recently been in the charts. Cain reassured Prince telling him the songs only shared the same four chords".

I think Co-Write for the topic title is wrong

on Purple Rain, Wendy 'created' the opening chords, and Lisa orchestrated the strings that we hear near the end.

Co-Create might be a better word.

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Reply #18 posted 04/18/16 10:44am

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Here we go again with the did Wendy & Lisa really write or create this mess. disbelief

Eye surely hope when prince finishes his Memoirs. That he clarifies this once & 4 all. Which I'm pretty sure is the main reason he disbanded The Revolution in 1986.

In LOvInG MeMORy Of JoHn L. nElSoN pKa PRINCE ROGERS 4 aLl He TaUgHt HiS mUsIcAl SoN."JuSt WhEn U tHoUgHt It WaS sAFE wAiT a FeW dAyS b4 U wAsTe AnY pRaYeRs " prince
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Reply #19 posted 04/18/16 11:24am

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Even if he does include stuff like this in his memoirs, it won't end the debate. I think his memoirs will raise more questions than they'll answer! If only because we'll only read his side of the story.
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Reply #20 posted 04/18/16 11:25am

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Solo from Come album

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Reply #21 posted 04/18/16 11:31am

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TrivialPursuit said:

Genesia said:

The biggest one of all: Purple Rain.

Before we get into this one, let's remember that Wendy & Lisa both said, "Did we write Purple Rain? No. But did we help it along? Yes." They talked about how they simply switched up some chords. Instead of a Bb, they did a Bbsus7. Instead of Gm, they put a Gm7 (add 4) on it. The Eb changed to Eb(add 2 - which added the F note, which is common throughout every cord pretty much).

Those little changes do completely convert a song's mood and feel. They talked about how the cords were pretty basic at first. Bb - Gm - F - Eb. But you start throwing in 7ths or 9ths, or 4ths, and now you got yourself a hit. For me, those changes are the color everyone credits W&L with in adding to Prince's music.

The more interesting note on this is that Prince felt it was very close to Journey's "Faithfully". From wikipedia,

"After recording the song, Prince phoned Jonathan Cain from Journey asking him to hear it, worried it might be too similar to "Faithfully", a Journey single composed by Cain which had recently been in the charts. Cain reassured Prince telling him the songs only shared the same four chords".


Uhhhh...the thread title is "Songs Prince didn't write alone." My reply stands.

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OldFriends4Sale said:

TrivialPursuit said:

Before we get into this one, let's remember that Wendy & Lisa both said, "Did we write Purple Rain? No. But did we help it along? Yes." They talked about how they simply switched up some chords. Instead of a Bb, they did a Bbsus7. Instead of Gm, they put a Gm7 (add 4) on it. The Eb changed to Eb(add 2 - which added the F note, which is common throughout every cord pretty much).

Those little changes do completely convert a song's mood and feel. They talked about how the cords were pretty basic at first. Bb - Gm - F - Eb. But you start throwing in 7ths or 9ths, or 4ths, and now you got yourself a hit. For me, those changes are the color everyone credits W&L with in adding to Prince's music.

The more interesting note on this is that Prince felt it was very close to Journey's "Faithfully". From wikipedia,

"After recording the song, Prince phoned Jonathan Cain from Journey asking him to hear it, worried it might be too similar to "Faithfully", a Journey single composed by Cain which had recently been in the charts. Cain reassured Prince telling him the songs only shared the same four chords".

I think Co-Write for the topic title is wrong

on Purple Rain, Wendy 'created' the opening chords, and Lisa orchestrated the strings that we hear near the end.

Co-Create might be a better word.

And those strings! heart

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KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Here we go again with the did Wendy & Lisa really write or create this mess. disbelief

Eye surely hope when prince finishes his Memoirs. That he clarifies this once & 4 all. Which I'm pretty sure is the main reason he disbanded The Revolution in 1986.

that wasn't the reason. And that wasn't an issue back then.

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Co-Creators: Prince & Susannah Melvoin -Starfish & Coffee

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Reply #25 posted 04/18/16 3:54pm

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this topic makes me think of this lyric... that i have never ever heard!

"They say U lost your fire
When another musician U hired
Little do they know, U wouldn't have passed go
Unless they could take U higher"

What if half the things ever said
Turned out 2 be a lie
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OldFriends4Sale said:

Co-Creators: Prince & Susannah Melvoin -Starfish & Coffee

Yes! Susannah has a cute story about that....Which varifies my earlier post about prince being able to mimic anything he wants...

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KCOOLMUZIQ said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Co-Creators: Prince & Susannah Melvoin -Starfish & Coffee

Yes! Susannah has a cute story about that....Which varifies my earlier post about prince being able to mimic anything he wants...

how did he mimic it?

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I see was mentioned abouve, but a good example is Soul Sanctuary. If you ever hear the demo by Sandra St Victor, it sounds pretty much like what is on the album, but the credit says by "Prince and Sandra St Victor". Supposedly she didn't even know he was going to use it and contacted him afterwards and they sent her a big check. This was from some interview with her years back.

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TrivialPursuit said:

Genesia said:

The biggest one of all: Purple Rain.

The more interesting note on this is that Prince felt it was very close to Journey's "Faithfully". From wikipedia,

"After recording the song, Prince phoned Jonathan Cain from Journey asking him to hear it, worried it might be too similar to "Faithfully", a Journey single composed by Cain which had recently been in the charts. Cain reassured Prince telling him the songs only shared the same four chords".

Interesting because the very start of Faithfully does sound a lot like PR:

[Edited 4/19/16 4:59am]

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