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Thread started 01/26/16 9:48pm

benjaminira

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a "new" way of distributing cds?

I may be wrong. But I've seen a lot of posts on Facebook through various groups offering to sell the "hitnrun (phase 2)" through mutual fans? I think it's kind of brilliant, but how is he making money off this? Isn't it just a way of bootlegging his own stuff? How does he decide who should sell for him? I'm confused? Fan have been doing it for years!
[Edited 1/26/16 21:51pm]
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Reply #1 posted 01/26/16 10:06pm

trax

He is still making his money. Alliance Entertainment and Super D are the number biggest music one stops. He distributes his cds to them and they pay him $8 per cd. They sell it to stores for about $12.50 per cd minus their discount structure. Stores then sell it for $13-$17. Bigger chains like Target and Best Buy usually buy directly from Prince but they also do buy from Alliance and he still gets that $8 per cd. They have no middle man so they can sell it cheaper at $9.99 or whatever. He has a no return clause though so many stores are careful now with how much they buy. It is an interesting strategy. I am curious to see how many we have to buy at wholesale. Most likely 30. The fans are more passionate and would probably do a better job at selling these than the stores so it is an intersting experiment.

[Edited 1/26/16 22:09pm]

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Reply #2 posted 01/26/16 10:08pm

trickster

This is a joke ...

Now imagin prince would Release the remasters wink

He would sell around 10k copies just because he is unable to do professional buisness ....
[Edited 1/26/16 22:09pm]
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Reply #3 posted 01/26/16 11:27pm

benjaminira

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trax said:

He is still making his money. Alliance Entertainment and Super D are the number biggest music one stops. He distributes his cds to them and they pay him $8 per cd. They sell it to stores for about $12.50 per cd minus their discount structure. Stores then sell it for $13-$17. Bigger chains like Target and Best Buy usually buy directly from Prince but they also do buy from Alliance and he still gets that $8 per cd. They have no middle man so they can sell it cheaper at $9.99 or whatever. He has a no return clause though so many stores are careful now with how much they buy. It is an interesting strategy. I am curious to see how many we have to buy at wholesale. Most likely 30. The fans are more passionate and would probably do a better job at selling these than the stores so it is an intersting experiment.

[Edited 1/26/16 22:09pm]


Yes. Very interesting. I just wonder and hope it won't be the same fiasco as "Crystal Ball". People pay for the product and find it in stores cheaper and not have to pay shipping and handling.
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Reply #4 posted 01/27/16 12:31am

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trax said:

He is still making his money. Alliance Entertainment and Super D are the number biggest music one stops. He distributes his cds to them and they pay him $8 per cd. They sell it to stores for about $12.50 per cd minus their discount structure.

. The fans are more passionate and would probably do a better job at selling these than the stores so it is an intersting experiment.

[Edited 1/26/16 22:09pm]s


So you are saying the cd is actually in the stores right now?

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Reply #5 posted 01/27/16 12:40am

BoraBora


Simply a new way for P. himself to show us again how complicated is to be a P. fan today.

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Reply #6 posted 01/27/16 1:04am

dualboot

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I appreciate the thought.

Nevertheless. The nett price of this cd will be around $50 with shipping and added taxes/handling.

That's only doable if it will be the only way to get this.

I would be disappointed to shell out that kind of money to find it in the local Europian bargain bins 3 weeks later.

Local / regional cd distributions would be more fitting. Bellmark?

Or at least clarity (yes I know....)

[Edited 1/27/16 1:06am]

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Reply #7 posted 01/27/16 1:08am

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Pentacle said:

trax said:

He is still making his money. Alliance Entertainment and Super D are the number biggest music one stops. He distributes his cds to them and they pay him $8 per cd. They sell it to stores for about $12.50 per cd minus their discount structure.

. The fans are more passionate and would probably do a better job at selling these than the stores so it is an intersting experiment.

[Edited 1/26/16 22:09pm]s


So you are saying the cd is actually in the stores right now?


It is in one retail store (physically), and online orders are being taken through at least one online channel:

http://prince.org/msg/7/4...?&pg=4

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Reply #8 posted 01/27/16 1:29am

Pentacle

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Pentacle said:


So you are saying the cd is actually in the stores right now?


It is in one retail store (physically), and online orders are being taken through at least one online channel:

http://prince.org/msg/7/4...?&pg=4


Aha, interesting.

Trax' post is like a business model Prince COULD follow but does not at the moment.

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Reply #9 posted 01/27/16 3:27am

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trickster said:

This is a joke ...

Now imagin prince would Release the remasters ;-)

He would sell around 10k copies just because he is unable to do professional buisness ....
[Edited 1/26/16 22:09pm]

---- He is not on a major label it is not that easy for artist to get CDs into stores or get their records on the radio. For Phrase 2 it appears that WB are not involed so he is going it on his own. Be glad he is putting it on cd since the market for CDs is vanishing.
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Reply #10 posted 01/27/16 4:02am

MIRvmn

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His next album will probably only be a digital release after this mess
Welcome 2 The Dawn
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Reply #11 posted 01/27/16 4:55am

funksterr

This is the distribution he deserves though. I'm not pressed over it. Hell I just bought Phase One last week. With Prince the smart way to buy, is to wait out all the silly shit and get your collectables at a discount. No way in hell I'm paying more than $5 for this shit.

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Reply #12 posted 01/27/16 5:34am

trickster

laurarichardson said:

trickster said:
This is a joke ... Now imagin prince would Release the remasters wink He would sell around 10k copies just because he is unable to do professional buisness .... [Edited 1/26/16 22:09pm]
---- He is not on a major label it is not that easy for artist to get CDs into stores or get their records on the radio. For Phrase 2 it appears that WB are not involed so he is going it on his own. Be glad he is putting it on cd since the market for CDs is vanishing.

you are wrong! you dont need a major at all. the company i worked for at that time, did rnrla vinyl and single CD in europe because i called my boss and he called jamie lewis and ask for distributing the record - that was it. 4 weeks later the record was nearly everywhere and is still on stock and people can still order it. thats what distribution companies are doin - make the records available in stores and elsewhere.

there are more than a couple of independent distribution companies witch could do the job worldwide. but you must be able to organise professional buisness as a label and contact such companies - prince isnt able or willing to do it - or asked for to much money upfront - i dont know - but i am sure thats the real reson why WB or others are not on board and nothing else.

at the moment he gave the CD to ONE STORE - THIS IS A JOKE and absolut not necessary if you have a name like prince - he is not the typical independent artist because he is known everywhere ...

i still dont get him at this point. he could had have a network of partners worldwide for years to do thist job - he still has a big name, always new music and so on... even i could do it better

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Reply #13 posted 01/27/16 5:41am

iZsaZsa

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^ nod Prince may not get the distribution deal he wants, but he can get many or more.
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Reply #14 posted 01/27/16 11:17am

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trickster said:



laurarichardson said:


trickster said:
This is a joke ... Now imagin prince would Release the remasters wink He would sell around 10k copies just because he is unable to do professional buisness .... [Edited 1/26/16 22:09pm]

---- He is not on a major label it is not that easy for artist to get CDs into stores or get their records on the radio. For Phrase 2 it appears that WB are not involed so he is going it on his own. Be glad he is putting it on cd since the market for CDs is vanishing.

you are wrong! you dont need a major at all. the company i worked for at that time, did rnrla vinyl and single CD in europe because i called my boss and he called jamie lewis and ask for distributing the record - that was it. 4 weeks later the record was nearly everywhere and is still on stock and people can still order it. thats what distribution companies are doin - make the records available in stores and elsewhere.



there are more than a couple of independent distribution companies witch could do the job worldwide. but you must be able to organise professional buisness as a label and contact such companies - prince isnt able or willing to do it - or asked for to much money upfront - i dont know - but i am sure thats the real reson why WB or others are not on board and nothing else.



at the moment he gave the CD to ONE STORE - THIS IS A JOKE and absolut not necessary if you have a name like prince - he is not the typical independent artist because he is known everywhere ...



i still dont get him at this point. he could had have a network of partners worldwide for years to do thist job - he still has a big name, always new music and so on... even i could do it better


-- I suspect that he wants a certain dollar figure maybe he feels that is what he needs to make a profit on th cd. In addition, the space in retail store like Walmart, Target, and Best Buy is small now a days. Do you think they are going to make room on the sales floor for major releases or independent? What about in store displays? In addition, he has set up a website so you do not have to go to the Electic Fetus to pick up the cd😀, Once again if the shipping bothers why not just download it. You really have to understand that the Cd format is dying and I do not think he should even be bothered with it at all.
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Reply #15 posted 01/27/16 11:19am

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MIRvmn said:

His next album will probably only be a digital release after this mess

-/- All releases will be digital soon.
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Reply #16 posted 01/27/16 11:36am

feeluupp

benjaminira said:

I may be wrong. But I've seen a lot of posts on Facebook through various groups offering to sell the "hitnrun (phase 2)" through mutual fans? I think it's kind of brilliant, but how is he making money off this? Isn't it just a way of bootlegging his own stuff? How does he decide who should sell for him? I'm confused? Fan have been doing it for years! [Edited 1/26/16 21:51pm]

it's not a new way. it's like this because no one wanted to distribute PHASE 2 in a major way due to the disasterous sales of PHASE 1.

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Reply #17 posted 01/27/16 11:51am

warning2all

The kicker is, 'Phase 2" is really good---if it were another "Plel", "Phase One", or "Planet Earth" Noone would care.

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Reply #18 posted 01/27/16 2:13pm

Genesia

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I believe this "new way" is known as the Burned All My Bridges Method.

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Reply #19 posted 01/27/16 2:27pm

SoulAlive

laurarichardson said:

MIRvmn said:
His next album will probably only be a digital release after this mess
-/- All releases will be digital soon.

No,they won't rolleyes

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Reply #20 posted 01/27/16 2:54pm

thedoorkeeper

Prince has had an interest in different forms
of distribution of his music for over 2 decades.
I think the difference is in the past he had
numerous choices for distribution whereas now
he seems to have fewer choices.
That's part of the challenge of being a Prince
Fan is keeping up with his escapades.
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Reply #21 posted 01/27/16 3:13pm

iZsaZsa

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Genesia said:

I believe this "new way" is known as the Burned All My Bridges Method.


lol
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Reply #22 posted 01/27/16 3:46pm

Aerogram

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iZsaZsa said:

Genesia said:

I believe this "new way" is known as the Burned All My Bridges Method.

lol

Rebels are known for burning bridges.

That said, the latest idea is a dead end.

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Reply #23 posted 01/27/16 3:48pm

XxAxX

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i got copies of phase 2 and back in time at the electric fetus in minneapolis. loved it. fast, simple and hey it worked biggrin

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Reply #24 posted 01/27/16 3:56pm

jlucky

thedoorkeeper said:

Prince has had an interest in different forms
of distribution of his music for over 2 decades.
I think the difference is in the past he had
numerous choices for distribution whereas now
he seems to have fewer choices.
That's part of the challenge of being a Prince
Fan is keeping up with his escapades.


Part of the fun, too!
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Reply #25 posted 01/27/16 4:12pm

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Genesia said:

I believe this "new way" is known as the Burned All My Bridges Method.

Yup. The "My cd is shite and no one will touch my greedy pouty ass" method. Maybe it'll catch on.

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Reply #26 posted 01/27/16 5:18pm

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I think Phase 2 will find its way to Amazon eventually. Do the masses know? Probably many don't. Get products to Amazon and find a way to let the masses know and should do OK.
I doubt retail in five years will even have CDs and movies.
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Reply #27 posted 01/27/16 7:47pm

KCOOLMUZIQ

This is unprecedented!!! To let only his loyal fan handle his mAsTeRpIeCeS.....

http://prince.org/msg/7/4...?&pg=4

eye will ALWAYS think of prince like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. eye mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that prince wasn't of this earth, eye would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. prince
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Reply #28 posted 01/27/16 8:13pm

SoulAlive

I remember the Crystal Ball fiasco in 1997 and now all these years later,Prince is *still* having problems with distributing a CD..,lol...you'd think by now,he would have learned something!
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Reply #29 posted 01/27/16 9:00pm

KCOOLMUZIQ

prince is NOT having trouble with distribution! He's just thinking of new ways of distributing by adding his fans this time that care. Not the ones that spread negative lies(like U). rolleyes

eye will ALWAYS think of prince like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. eye mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that prince wasn't of this earth, eye would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. prince
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