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There is so much in the realm of outtakes and bootlegs and alternate mixes etc., that I will never be able to claim myself to be a master of it all.

That being said, I recently got the "The Dawn" 3-disc set recently and was blown away.

I compiled my own version a few years ago using the tracklisting (I couldn't find a copy of the "legit" version of the set), but of course there are differences between the versions on the set and what is official, etc.

Anyways, point of this post is HOLY CRAP WHAT DID PRINCE DO TO PUSSY CONTROL?!!

I'm not normally the guy to go around slagging the official versions, but he completely changed it/ruined it for TGE!

I'd never heard the version included on "The Dawn" set until I just finally got it the other day.

DAMN! What was that?! That was awesome!

Isn't the Dawn heavily remixed by its compiler?

From what I know, several/alot/some of the tracks are "composites" of different versions, but it's done so damn well you can't even tell when listening.

That being said, I have not heard another early/unreleased version of Pussy Control to compare against the TGE version aside from this one on "The Dawn" set.

Either way, in regards to the version on this set, there is a whole crazy musical section cut out of the released version and the whole track feels totally different.

It's actually a pretty awesome track now! Not that the released version isn't. But I mean, it's Pussy Control... haha.

warewolf95 said:

From what I know, several/alot/some of the tracks are "composites" of different versions, but it's done so damn well you can't even tell when listening.

That being said, I have not heard another early/unreleased version of Pussy Control to compare against the TGE version aside from this one on "The Dawn" set.

Either way, in regards to the version on this set, there is a whole crazy musical section cut out of the released version and the whole track feels totally different.

It's actually a pretty awesome track now! Not that the released version isn't. But I mean, it's Pussy Control... haha.

I think most if not all of the tracks are composites of official studio material (albums, singles, & possibly music video audio), bootleg studio material, and even concert recordings. I think in Days of Wild on The Dawn they use the crowd singing at the aftershow at The Emporium in London on 23rd March 1995 (am). At least that's what is sounds like to me.

I believe it's the 'P. Control (House Mix)' version from the VH-1 Fashion And Music Awards, 3 December 1995.

http://www.princevault.co...P._Control

Aethelherring said:

warewolf95 said:

From what I know, several/alot/some of the tracks are "composites" of different versions, but it's done so damn well you can't even tell when listening.

That being said, I have not heard another early/unreleased version of Pussy Control to compare against the TGE version aside from this one on "The Dawn" set.

Either way, in regards to the version on this set, there is a whole crazy musical section cut out of the released version and the whole track feels totally different.

It's actually a pretty awesome track now! Not that the released version isn't. But I mean, it's Pussy Control... haha.

I think most if not all of the tracks are composites of official studio material (albums, singles, & possibly music video audio), bootleg studio material, and even concert recordings. I think in Days of Wild on The Dawn they use the crowd singing at the aftershow at The Emporium in London on 23rd March 1995 (am). At least that's what is sounds like to me.

I understood that 'Days Of Wild' edits the version released on 'Crystal Ball', (9 December 1995 performed at Paisley Park) and adds the guitar solo version released through the NPGMC (Ahdio Show 1) (23 Ocotober am, 1999 performed at Paisley Park).

http://www.princevault.co...ys_Of_Wild

Askani said:

Isn't the Dawn heavily remixed by its compiler?

those are amazing mixes,

Days Of Wild (7:17),
Race (8:21),
I Hate U (8:51)

those among others are truly amazing.

Ps not exactly "remixes", more like "extended mixes from different sources afaik:

langebleu said:

I believe it's the 'P. Control (House Mix)' version from the VH-1 Fashion And Music Awards, 3 December 1995.

http://www.princevault.co...P._Control

I've not heard that mix. Gotta seek it out now!

Prince is one of the only artists for whom I pay attention to their remixes. He has some great remixes.

Hmm.

The whole compilation known as 'the dawn' is a fan-made mix tape that any one of you would make at home with a double cassette player and a crossfade.

it's a nice gesture, but i'm a bit baffled as to why people would think it was an original release/bootleg.

Can't you hear the blatent looping and splicing?

Why would it NOT be considered a bootleg?? And for a fan effort, it's done damn well, I must say!

Just a quick and silly observation, since this was "released" many years ago.

the guy who put this together was the typing-Prince-encyclopedia and would challenge anyone else to get the facts straight pertaining to the legacy of it all.

Then he put this fan-made compilation together and many, mainly newer, fans take it as a ligitimate, condoned effort by Prince, himself and noone acknowledges the fact that it's just a fake.

There are just a few songs on it left in their original, unreleased form. Most of it is mash-ups.

Well made!

But, stll, not the original.

P.S.

Who didn't splice "Housequake" with the "7 Mins MoQuake" together just to jam it longer back in the day???

doesnt he intentionally put lesser quality versions on the albums so we have to buy the remixes to get the better version?? therefore spending more money

nayroo2002 said:

Just a quick and silly observation, since this was "released" many years ago.

the guy who put this together was the typing-Prince-encyclopedia and would challenge anyone else to get the facts straight pertaining to the legacy of it all.

Then he put this fan-made compilation together and many, mainly newer, fans take it as a ligitimate, condoned effort by Prince, himself and noone acknowledges the fact that it's just a fake.

There are just a few songs on it left in their original, unreleased form. Most of it is mash-ups.

Well made!

But, stll, not the original.

P.S.

Who didn't splice "Housequake" with the "7 Mins MoQuake" together just to jam it longer back in the day???

Yea, I'd imagine you really would have to be a true P-freak to be able to put together a set this good. It's one of the only bootlegs I've heard that doesn't sound like a bootleg.

its a perfect compilation for me. the stuff thats remixed, extended, various versions combined, its all perfectly done. my favorite era is 93-95, and this is my go to set for that time. heres the complete info i got with my set about what the tracks are and what was done.

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The Dawn 4.1

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disc 1

01. WELCOME 2 THE DAWN (2:08 ) – edit of the track available on ‘The Truth’. (intro noise reinstated)

02. npg operator (0:12)

03. COME (PART 1) (4:22) – mix created using the Beautiful Experience remix (Deposition) and the original version (FAAB).

04. ENDORPHIN MACHINE (3:50) – taken from the Come original test pressing.

05. SPACE (5:10) – mix created using the album version, with snall bits from the Universal Love Mix and the Funky Stuff remix.

06. WE MARCH (4:43) - taken from 'The Gold Experience' (intro and outro crossfades)

07. DAYS OF WILD (7:17) – mix created using the released live version on ‘Crystal Ball’ and the guitar solo from one of the AHDIO Shows from NPGMC year 1.

08. npg operator (0:17)

09. THE MOST BEAUTIFUL GIRL IN THE WORLD (6:20) – mix of ‘The Gold Experience’ album version and the unreleased ‘Mustang 96 Remix’ (The Work), now also includes saxophone parts taken from the 'Sax Mix/Brian's Mix' and Mayte's spanish version: 'Quieres Ser El Mas Bello De Este Mundo'.

10. THE POPE (4:33) – mix created using the album version from ‘The Hits 2’, the promo only 12" remix, a drum loop from ‘Acknowledge Me’ (barely noticable) and a burst of ‘D.M.S.R.’ from the ‘1999’ album.

11. RIPOPGODAZIPPA (4:37) – taken from ‘Crystal Ball’.

12. npg operator (0:06)

13. RACE (8:21) – mix created using the video version (from the Beautiful Experience TV special) and the ‘Outta Space’ part of the unreleased NPG version of ‘Super Hero’ from the ‘Exodus’ sessions (Fantasia).

14. EMPTY ROOM (3:16) – unreleased track (The Work)

15. npg operator (0:07)

16. MAD (5:29) – unreleased track (Deposition). full length version reinstated from 3.1 version

17. ROCK & ROLL IS ALIVE (4:31) – b-side to ‘Gold’, pitch shifted up a semitone to get it in the right key.

18. SHHH (6:58 ) – taken from ‘The Gold Experience’

19. STRAYS OF THE WORLD (4:41) – edit of the track released on ‘Crystal Ball’ (Drum/fanfare intro ommitted and opening keyboard section extended.)

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disc 2:

01. PUSSY CONTROL (5:38 ) – the VH1 Fashion Awards version (The Work), intro uses a snippet of the released version from ‘The Gold Experience’.

02. npg operator (0:09)

03. PEACH (3:05) – edit of the version from ‘The Hits 2’ and parts of ‘The Purple Medley’

04. CHAOS & DISORDER (4:12) – unreleased original version (FAAB), pitch shifted up to the same key as ‘Peach’ (intro also extended by 1 bar).

05. SHY (4:55) – new mix created by using the released version from ‘The Gold Experience’ and loops from the unreleased original mix (FAAB).

06. npg operator (0:15)

07. PHEROMONE (4:28 ) – taken from ‘Come’, with the addition of a few seconds from the unreleased instrumental version (Cosmos).

08. 319 (3:19) – taken from ‘The Gold Experience’, including the ‘hotel lobby’ intro (which is how it was originally intended to appear on the released album, as the intro was specifically created to make the song last exactly 3:19).

09. HIDE THE BONE (5:06) – taken from ‘Crystal Ball’

10. 18 & OVER (6:22) – original unreleased longer version (Fantasia), edited slightly at the end to create an ‘ending’ rather than a fade out.

11. npg operator (0:14)

12. LEMME SEE THAT BODY GET LOOSE (4:32) – remix created using ‘Loose!’ from ‘Come’ and the unreleased instrumental ‘(Lemme See Your Body) Get Loose!’ (Fantasia). (Loosely based on various live renditions from around the time).

13. PAPA (2:57) – taken from ‘Come’ now includes rain/thunder sound effects segue into...

14. DARK - taken from 'Come'

15. npg operator (0:06)

16. BILLY JACK BITCH (8:26) – new mix using the album version from 'The Gold Experience', the unreleased ‘full length’ version (The Work), the Hornheads' 'New Dell Inn' and 'Bitch' sample from Fishbone's 'Lyin' Ass Bitch'. drum loop lifted from Graham Central Station's 'Love 4 1another' (which was lifted from 'Billy Jack Bitch' in the first place anyway), had to do this as no clean loop can be lifted from 'Billy Jack Bitch' itself

17. I HATE U (8:51) – mix created using ‘The Gold Experience’ version and the ‘Extended Remix’, now updated slightly with drum samples from the album version played over parts taken from the 'Extended Remix' to add continuity.

18. LET IT GO (5:29) – taken from ‘Come’, street noises on outro taken from the outro to ‘Lady Cab Driver’ from ‘1999’.

19. DON’T TALK 2 STRANGERS (3:12) – taken from the ‘Girl 6’ sountrack.

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disc 3:

01. INTERACTIVE (3:01) – taken from ‘Crystal Ball’

02. ACKNOWLEDGE ME (7:10) – mix created using the version on ‘Crystal Ball’ and the ‘Big City Remix’ of the NPG’s ‘The Good Life’. now also includes parts from the unreleased original edit of the song, plus a sample from the 'Pope (Remix)'.

03. npg operator (0:10)

04. SOMEBODY’S SOMEBODY (3:42) – the released ‘Livestudio Mix’ (promo / b-side to ‘The Holy River CD single).

05. LOVE SIGN (4:36) – the ‘1-800-NEW-FUNK’ version, edited slightly to create an actual ‘ending’ to the song. (Intro segue features snippet of the unreleased ‘Mack Attack Message Mix’ over street sounds and gunshots taken from various sound effects discs)

06. WHAT’S MY NAME (3:02) – taken from ‘Crystal Ball’, with the addition of the unreleased spoken "welcome 2 the dawn" intro (Deposition).

07. THE RIDE (8:44) – mix created using the version on ‘Crystal Ball’ and the unreleased version from ‘The Undertaker’ album, intro drums cleaned up a bit and start of song now extended by a couple of bars using loop of the beat with odd keyboard and guitar parts from the later breakdown section spun in.

08. Zannalee (2:46) - unreleased original version.

09. npg operator (0:20)

10. NOW (4:29) – taken from ‘The Gold Experience’. no longer edited down

11. FACE DOWN (2:19) – remix made using the promo only ‘Acapella Mix’ and loops from ‘Now’. intro now extended slightly due to different segue point with previous track

12. npg operator (0:13)

13. 2MORROW (4:19) – taken from ‘Crystal Ball’, full version reinstated from 3.1 version

14. THE SAME DECEMBER (3:27) – taken from ‘Chaos And Disorder’.

15. EXTRAORDINARY (2:26) – taken from ‘The Vault… Old Friends 4 Sale’ (birdsong outro from a sound effects disc).

16. DOLPHIN (6:18 ) – mix of the released version from ‘Come’ and the unreleased version’s outro from ‘The Undertaker’ album.

17. COME (PART 2) (11:50) – mix created using the released version from ‘Come’ (full album version now used rather than edit) and the unreleased (as a whole track) ‘Poem’ from the Come Original test pressing,

18. npg operator (0:39)

19. GOLD (7:28 ) – taken from ‘The Gold Experience’.

nayroo2002 said:

Hmm.

The whole compilation known as 'the dawn' is a fan-made mix tape that any one of you would make at home with a double cassette player and a crossfade.

it's a nice gesture, but i'm a bit baffled as to why people would think it was an original release/bootleg.

Can't you hear the blatent looping and splicing?

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splicing? no, the mixes are done prefectly. blatant? well, if you cant hear a difference between a remix and the original i guess it would be kind of pointless wouldnt it. so blatant looping, yes. and actually if you read the details of what was done there was a bit more involved on some of the tracks than just cross fading.and clearly not done with a double tapedeck. whats the matter? jealous that no one wants to hear what you can do with 2 tapedecks? its a great piece of work, and quite frankly the best document of the whole slave era.

[Edited 11/3/15 19:11pm]

Now, just to discuss and to understand what the fuss is.....

I listened to one of the first configurations of this set years ago.

I agree, it is really well made, it comes surely from a talented P fan with great musical taste, it flows nicely and it gives a great "trailer" perspective at that P era.

But to be honest I never understood all the hype.

Take it as you want, it is simply a collection of fan-made remixes (some good, some less).

It could be a nice variation if you listen to the same songs day after day for a months, but when occasionally I want to listen to "Space" (to say one) I put out the Come album or the Space maxi-single and I listen to one of the official versions, according to my attitude of the moment.

Not a pot-pourri.

To this extent, I find this "The Dawn" set overrated in the org.

Someone talk of it as the definitive "best of" of the P's 1993-1996.

To me it is probably the best collection of fan-made mixes from the P's 1993-1996, but not something you can put on the same league of the official tracks.

JMO

nayroo2002 said:

Hmm.

The whole compilation known as 'the dawn' is a fan-made mix tape that any one of you would make at home with a double cassette player and a crossfade.

it's a nice gesture, but i'm a bit baffled as to why people would think it was an original release/bootleg.

Can't you hear the blatent looping and splicing?

This is why I'm strongly opposed to fans sharing fanmade edits online: many people have no way to know the stuff is fanmade and it damages the artist's canon.

IIRC The Dawn was made by Boris and was a labor of love, nevertheless we end-up with posters regularly assuming it's a leaked album configuration or that Boris rebuilt an actual album configuration based on a genuine tracklist. Once an orger shouted at me when I suggested another tracklist for an ideal Come/TGE 3 CD-set, saying that I was opposing my "vision" to Boris' "facts"

I appreciate Boris' effort but in the end I'd rather have had him keep this for himself, because until the end of time you'll have people believing it's a legit album or unreleased configuration of an album

Yes.

the version of "Pussy Control" on this compilation is groovier than the album version.

It also contains the breakdown from "Mad".

It was also reworked by and the New Power Generation.

Definately not a fan-made fantasy production.

"Get Wild/Rock N Roll Is Alive (& It Lives In Minneapolis)" would be a great mash-up.

i don't have those on cassette, though

There really are a lot of ungrateful cunts on this shit for brains site.

databank said:

nayroo2002 said:

Hmm.

The whole compilation known as 'the dawn' is a fan-made mix tape that any one of you would make at home with a double cassette player and a crossfade.

it's a nice gesture, but i'm a bit baffled as to why people would think it was an original release/bootleg.

Can't you hear the blatent looping and splicing?

This is why I'm strongly opposed to fans sharing fanmade edits online: many people have no way to know the stuff is fanmade and it damages the artist's canon.

IIRC The Dawn was made by Boris and was a labor of love, nevertheless we end-up with posters regularly assuming it's a leaked album configuration or that Boris rebuilt an actual album configuration based on a genuine tracklist. Once an orger shouted at me when I suggested another tracklist for an ideal Come/TGE 3 CD-set, saying that I was opposing my "vision" to Boris' "facts"

I appreciate Boris' effort but in the end I'd rather have had him keep this for himself, because until the end of time you'll have people believing it's a legit album or unreleased configuration of an album

I completely understand your point of view. I have no problem with it as long as it is made very clear that it is a fan creation - I'm assuming the maker didn't do this based off what you say.

For me, The Gold Experience and Come, along with the tracks on Crystal Ball, are some of my all-time favorite P releases/tracks. I really love "The Dawn" just because it gives me a way to listen to it all in a less haphazard way, so to speak. Really, it's my OCD that fucks with me in regards to this. I hate hearing things out of context. At least this set gives a cool "what if" way to hear it all together, nevermind the fact at how well it is done.

To each his own.

Also, I love you guys that don't freak out over nothing

The person behind 'The Dawn' did nothing to suggest that it was anything other than a fan made collection.

TheDigitalGardener said:

langebleu said:

The person behind 'The Dawn' did nothing to suggest that it was anything other than a fan made collection.

So, basically, we're just dealing with ignorant dumbasses then.

I never said that "the person behind The Dawn" did anything to conceal the fact that it was fanmade, however once the fanmade version is out, it's out of their hands and there's no guarantee that people won't:

1/ Rename the files

2/ Share them without the booklet that says it's fanmade

3/ Not pay attention to details

.

If I edit Tony M out of "Jughead" and call the file "Jughead (Databank Fanmade Edit)" and share it on P2P's, it's possible that any of the 3 options above will happen and that lots of people will believe it's the real Jughead. It's even thinkeable that on the long run my edit would be more often shared than the original, and believed by a majority of people to be the real deal.

.

Similarly, even though 4DF were very clear on the fact that their 2011 version of Corporate World contained a fanmade extended edit of My Summertime Thang, I'm convinced that because of the superior sound quality their edit of the album is now the most commonly shared online and that 80% of the poeple who own it have no clue MST is fanmade because either they don't have the booklet with the files, or they just didn't care to look at it.

.

If caring for the legacy of artists and believing a work of art is a sacred thing that shouldn't be toyed with means being an "ungrateful cunt" then so be it and I'm quite proud to care about this when obviously, so few people do. Who knows maybe in a few years or decades, the most commonly shared ebook versions of Hemingways's The Old Man And The See or James Joyce's Ulysses will be fanmade edits with whole chapters rewritten or deleted, and a vast majority of people will believe they're reading a genuine Hemingway or Joyce book. I'm sorry but I do not want this to happen, no matter how much care and love the persons who rewrote the books put into their "work". As a writer and spoken word artist myself, I certainly would hate seeing my works being edited and shared online, and read on message boards that those versions are mine. It would piss the hell out of me! However I am not an important artist so that wouldn't matter in regards to the history of arts, but doing it with important artists could possibly damage human heritage on the long run, when thousands of fanmade edits of records, books and movies will be doing the rounds online.

.

Besides, I do not see how I could be "ungrateful" for something I never even wanted in the first place, and that I never even downloaded. I am not interested in fan edits so I do not believe I can be ungrateful for something I never asked for nor enjoyed listening to.

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Unfortunately, expressing a reasonable and polite opinion about something, nowadays, is perceived as being a "cunt", and merely saying that one disagrees with another's actions even if they were based on good intentions, is perceived as insulting said person and ends-up with you being insulted by people you don't even know. This is the way the internet works. Shame on us for making such a poor use of such a great communication tool

[Edited 11/4/15 20:26pm]

databank said:

I never said that "the person behind The Dawn" did anything to conceal the fact that it was fanmade, however once the fanmade version is out, it's out of their hands and there's no guarantee that people won't:

1/ Rename the files

2/ Share them without the booklet that says it's fanmade

3/ Not pay attention to details

.

If I edit Tony M out of "Jughead" and call the file "Jughead (Databank Fanmade Edit)" and share it on P2P's, it's possible that any of the 3 options above will happen and that lots of people will believe it's the real Jughead. It's even thinkeable that on the long run my edit would be more often shared than the original, and believed by a majority of people to be the real deal.

.

Similarly, even though 4DF were very clear on the fact that their 2011 version of Corporate World contained a fanmade extended edit of My Summertime Thang, I'm convinced that because of the superior sound quality their edit of the album is now the most commonly shared online and that 80% of the poeple who own it have no clue MST is fanmade because either they don't have the booklet with the files, or they just didn't care to look at it.

.

If caring for the legacy of artists and believing a work of art is a sacred thing that shouldn't be toyed with means being an "ungrateful cunt" then so be it and I'm quite proud to care about this when obviously, so few people do. Who knows maybe in a few years or decades, the most commonly shared ebook versions of Hemingways's The Old Man And The See or James Joyce's Ulysses will be fanmade edits with whole chapters rewritten or deleted, and a vast majority of people will believe they're reading a genuine Hemingway or Joyce book. I'm sorry but I do not want this to happen, no matter how much care and love the persons who rewrote the books put into their "work". As a writer and spoken word artist myself, I certainly would hate seeing my works being edited and shared online, and read on message boards that those versions are mine. It would piss the hell out of me! However I am not an important artist so that wouldn't matter in regards to the history of arts, but doing it with important artists could possibly damage human heritage on the long run, when thousands of fanmade edits of records, books and movies will be doing the rounds online.

.

Besides, I do not see how I could be "ungrateful" for something I never even wanted in the first place, and that I never even downloaded. I am not interested in fan edits so I do not believe I can be ungrateful for something I never asked for nor enjoyed listening to.

.

Unfortunately, expressing a reasonable and polite opinion about something, nowadays, is perceived as being a "cunt", and merely saying that one disagrees with another's actions even if they were based on good intentions, is perceived as insulting said person and ends-up with you being insulted by people you don't even know. This is the way the internet works. Shame on us for making such a poor use of such a great communication tool

[Edited 11/4/15 20:26pm]

Wow, great post! I hate pointless bickering myself. Everyone has their own views and opinions and I can't stand it when people try to steamroll others for expressing their views. I wholly welcome your awesome postings.

warewolf95 said:

databank said:

I never said that "the person behind The Dawn" did anything to conceal the fact that it was fanmade, however once the fanmade version is out, it's out of their hands and there's no guarantee that people won't:

1/ Rename the files

2/ Share them without the booklet that says it's fanmade

3/ Not pay attention to details

.

If I edit Tony M out of "Jughead" and call the file "Jughead (Databank Fanmade Edit)" and share it on P2P's, it's possible that any of the 3 options above will happen and that lots of people will believe it's the real Jughead. It's even thinkeable that on the long run my edit would be more often shared than the original, and believed by a majority of people to be the real deal.

.

Similarly, even though 4DF were very clear on the fact that their 2011 version of Corporate World contained a fanmade extended edit of My Summertime Thang, I'm convinced that because of the superior sound quality their edit of the album is now the most commonly shared online and that 80% of the poeple who own it have no clue MST is fanmade because either they don't have the booklet with the files, or they just didn't care to look at it.

.

If caring for the legacy of artists and believing a work of art is a sacred thing that shouldn't be toyed with means being an "ungrateful cunt" then so be it and I'm quite proud to care about this when obviously, so few people do. Who knows maybe in a few years or decades, the most commonly shared ebook versions of Hemingways's The Old Man And The See or James Joyce's Ulysses will be fanmade edits with whole chapters rewritten or deleted, and a vast majority of people will believe they're reading a genuine Hemingway or Joyce book. I'm sorry but I do not want this to happen, no matter how much care and love the persons who rewrote the books put into their "work". As a writer and spoken word artist myself, I certainly would hate seeing my works being edited and shared online, and read on message boards that those versions are mine. It would piss the hell out of me! However I am not an important artist so that wouldn't matter in regards to the history of arts, but doing it with important artists could possibly damage human heritage on the long run, when thousands of fanmade edits of records, books and movies will be doing the rounds online.

.

Besides, I do not see how I could be "ungrateful" for something I never even wanted in the first place, and that I never even downloaded. I am not interested in fan edits so I do not believe I can be ungrateful for something I never asked for nor enjoyed listening to.

.

Unfortunately, expressing a reasonable and polite opinion about something, nowadays, is perceived as being a "cunt", and merely saying that one disagrees with another's actions even if they were based on good intentions, is perceived as insulting said person and ends-up with you being insulted by people you don't even know. This is the way the internet works. Shame on us for making such a poor use of such a great communication tool

[Edited 11/4/15 20:26pm]

Wow, great post! I hate pointless bickering myself. Everyone has their own views and opinions and I can't stand it when people try to steamroll others for expressing their views. I wholly welcome your awesome postings.

I, for one, am glad that this bootleg exists. It's hard to deal with people who love to hear themselves talk shout you down with incorrect info but that shouldn't imho mean the rest of us should suffer as a result.

In regards Ulysses, there's what is effectively a fanmade edit of it out there already, that in a lot of ways makes it more comprehensible for the likes of idiots like me. Almost like how The Dawn does for Prince circa 1993, a very confusing era. Some fool out there is gonna think it's the original but as long as the likes of databank (and, I hope, me) is around to correct them i'm glad for it.

databank said:

I never said that "the person behind The Dawn" did anything to conceal the fact that it was fanmade, however once the fanmade version is out, it's out of their hands and there's no guarantee that people won't:

1/ Rename the files

2/ Share them without the booklet that says it's fanmade

3/ Not pay attention to details

.

If I edit Tony M out of "Jughead" and call the file "Jughead (Databank Fanmade Edit)" and share it on P2P's, it's possible that any of the 3 options above will happen and that lots of people will believe it's the real Jughead. It's even thinkeable that on the long run my edit would be more often shared than the original, and believed by a majority of people to be the real deal.

.

Similarly, even though 4DF were very clear on the fact that their 2011 version of Corporate World contained a fanmade extended edit of My Summertime Thang, I'm convinced that because of the superior sound quality their edit of the album is now the most commonly shared online and that 80% of the poeple who own it have no clue MST is fanmade because either they don't have the booklet with the files, or they just didn't care to look at it.

.

If caring for the legacy of artists and believing a work of art is a sacred thing that shouldn't be toyed with means being an "ungrateful cunt" then so be it and I'm quite proud to care about this when obviously, so few people do. Who knows maybe in a few years or decades, the most commonly shared ebook versions of Hemingways's The Old Man And The See or James Joyce's Ulysses will be fanmade edits with whole chapters rewritten or deleted, and a vast majority of people will believe they're reading a genuine Hemingway or Joyce book. I'm sorry but I do not want this to happen, no matter how much care and love the persons who rewrote the books put into their "work". As a writer and spoken word artist myself, I certainly would hate seeing my works being edited and shared online, and read on message boards that those versions are mine. It would piss the hell out of me! However I am not an important artist so that wouldn't matter in regards to the history of arts, but doing it with important artists could possibly damage human heritage on the long run, when thousands of fanmade edits of records, books and movies will be doing the rounds online.

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Besides, I do not see how I could be "ungrateful" for something I never even wanted in the first place, and that I never even downloaded. I am not interested in fan edits so I do not believe I can be ungrateful for something I never asked for nor enjoyed listening to.

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Unfortunately, expressing a reasonable and polite opinion about something, nowadays, is perceived as being a "cunt", and merely saying that one disagrees with another's actions even if they were based on good intentions, is perceived as insulting said person and ends-up with you being insulted by people you don't even know. This is the way the internet works. Shame on us for making such a poor use of such a great communication tool

[Edited 11/4/15 20:26pm]

Prost!

jaawwnn said:

I, for one, am glad that this bootleg exists. It's hard to deal with people who love to hear themselves talk shout you down with incorrect info but that shouldn't imho mean the rest of us should suffer as a result.

In regards Ulysses, there's what is effectively a fanmade edit of it out there already, that in a lot of ways makes it more comprehensible for the likes of idiots like me. Almost like how The Dawn does for Prince circa 1993, a very confusing era. Some fool out there is gonna think it's the original but as long as the likes of databank (and, I hope, me) is around to correct them i'm glad for it.

"Robert Gogan’s remastered edition of Ulysses introduces modern user-friendly formatting by applying additional punctuation where necessary and separating the ‘internal monologue’ from the narrative. However, not a single word or syllable of the original text has been changed, thus preserving the integrity and authenticity of Joyce’s creation while at the same time offering an easier reading experience.

At the end of his book Robert has include a section called Reading Guidelines. He suggests that the reader peruse these guidelines before reading each episode/chapter to help them appreciate some of the more difficult aspects of each episode."

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it's already messing up with it but it's more of an annoted version for students, with liner notes and shit. I must say I couldn't go past a hundred pages of Ulysses, I just couldn't get into it. I'll try it again one day.

nayroo2002 said:

databank said:

I never said that "the person behind The Dawn" did anything to conceal the fact that it was fanmade, however once the fanmade version is out, it's out of their hands and there's no guarantee that people won't:

1/ Rename the files

2/ Share them without the booklet that says it's fanmade

3/ Not pay attention to details

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If I edit Tony M out of "Jughead" and call the file "Jughead (Databank Fanmade Edit)" and share it on P2P's, it's possible that any of the 3 options above will happen and that lots of people will believe it's the real Jughead. It's even thinkeable that on the long run my edit would be more often shared than the original, and believed by a majority of people to be the real deal.

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Similarly, even though 4DF were very clear on the fact that their 2011 version of Corporate World contained a fanmade extended edit of My Summertime Thang, I'm convinced that because of the superior sound quality their edit of the album is now the most commonly shared online and that 80% of the poeple who own it have no clue MST is fanmade because either they don't have the booklet with the files, or they just didn't care to look at it.

.

If caring for the legacy of artists and believing a work of art is a sacred thing that shouldn't be toyed with means being an "ungrateful cunt" then so be it and I'm quite proud to care about this when obviously, so few people do. Who knows maybe in a few years or decades, the most commonly shared ebook versions of Hemingways's The Old Man And The See or James Joyce's Ulysses will be fanmade edits with whole chapters rewritten or deleted, and a vast majority of people will believe they're reading a genuine Hemingway or Joyce book. I'm sorry but I do not want this to happen, no matter how much care and love the persons who rewrote the books put into their "work". As a writer and spoken word artist myself, I certainly would hate seeing my works being edited and shared online, and read on message boards that those versions are mine. It would piss the hell out of me! However I am not an important artist so that wouldn't matter in regards to the history of arts, but doing it with important artists could possibly damage human heritage on the long run, when thousands of fanmade edits of records, books and movies will be doing the rounds online.

.

Besides, I do not see how I could be "ungrateful" for something I never even wanted in the first place, and that I never even downloaded. I am not interested in fan edits so I do not believe I can be ungrateful for something I never asked for nor enjoyed listening to.

.

Unfortunately, expressing a reasonable and polite opinion about something, nowadays, is perceived as being a "cunt", and merely saying that one disagrees with another's actions even if they were based on good intentions, is perceived as insulting said person and ends-up with you being insulted by people you don't even know. This is the way the internet works. Shame on us for making such a poor use of such a great communication tool

[Edited 11/4/15 20:26pm]

Prost!