I'm enjoying the album. Maybe because of the enthousiasm of the NightChild reviews I started listening a bit more open to this sound. There is a lot of good bass playing to enjoy and there are a lot of "classic Prince" moments on it.

I'm not so familiar with EDM but I came across this statement a number of times and I'm wondering if the EDM sounds on the album are outdated. I think it is ok to use the sounds you like and not follow the latest trends. I'm also wondering how common it is in EDM to use older sounds.

Maybe the whole point is to use the latest sounds. I don't know.

Any ideas?

epronk said:

I'm enjoying the album. Maybe because of the enthousiasm of the NightChild reviews I started listening a bit more open to this sound. There is a lot of good bass playing to enjoy and there are a lot of "classic Prince" moments on it.

I'm not so familiar with EDM but I came across this statement a number of times and I'm wondering if the EDM sounds on the album are outdated. I think it is ok to use the sounds you like and not follow the latest trends. I'm also wondering how common it is in EDM to use older sounds.

Maybe the whole point is to use the latest sounds. I don't know.

Any ideas?

Does it really matter if you enjoy the music?

It doesn't sound dated to me, but then I don't usually listen to that kind of music. People will just say it's dated because it's Prince.

What sounds are you referring to?

funkomatic said:

t's still better than the Emancipation sounds he has carried and unfortunately still carries around (even on HnR) for the last hundred years.

MattyJam said:

To me, as an European who has been into the dance scene here since the early '90 s, the answer is: YES!

I find it quite silly, the use of cliche sounds with an absolute "oh no, he didn't" moment in teh first song on A0A (the horn.... geez).

No, the "wop wop wop" sounds are quite rediclious.

Even Lady Gaga, who also from an European POV, followed European trends instead of being avant garde, was more trendy than our purple friend.

He should in my opinion stick to the music he is good at because the use of these outdated EDM sounds is rather shamefull.

I carnt take night childs reviews seriously. Hes like Jester, everything Prince does is brilliant! And it aint! I'm sure they are very nice guys but seem to be a little over the top in there praise for Prince. And by the way, please lose the hat.

Cthulhu said:

A handful of the tracks on Hit N Run were already previewed before AOA came out so say over 12 months ago, they were made before that who knows how long. Course they are going to sound outdated it sounded outtadted 12 months ago.

But, if any fans like it then they like it, I guess only people who listen to a similar sort of thing regular may feel its outtdated really.

Each to their own

Let me say Dance 4 Me and Black Sweat electronically sounds better than anything on HitnRun...

Outdated, not outdated, none of that comes into play for me with Prince music, regardless of how much time has passed, or what sounds are used, or what is considered standard today, it has no effect on my enjoyment of the music.

I don't know what constitutes good or bad EDM and frankly, I don't care. But I do very much enjoy hitnrun, so am thankful for my ignorance.

It's not just that they are outdated, it's that these are the blandest pop versions of EDM. It's a knock-off version of the real thing, and the real thing isn't that great to begin with.

In both AOA and HnR. Not just outdated, becasue old sounds and techniques can in the right hands add something new, be charming, interesting. In these two cases it sounds corny and cringeworthy because it adds nothing and simply trys to ape an old sound but really badly. The same way people who aped Prince or the grunge sound simply because it was popular. An artist, or at least a good artist has to add something not just trace over it badly like a coloring book.

BartVanHemelen said:

It's not just that they are outdated, it's that these are the blandest pop versions of EDM. It's a knock-off version of the real thing, and the real thing isn't that great to begin with.

Right... like back in the 80's when he was knocking off punk? Because artists need to pick a genre and stick to it...

"Knock off" my arse. It's an RnB album. It's not going to impress hardcore EDM fans. Nobody is popping pills and throwing shapes to this for 8 hours. But thats clearly not the intention. It just gives the songs a contemporary twist.

LOL

If Prince incorporates some of the latest of the latest, he's called desperate. If he incorporates more tried and true sounds, he's called too conventional (and desperate).

There's just no pleasing this fanbase, especially those awful Prince snobs.

Noodled24 said:

BartVanHemelen said:

It's not just that they are outdated, it's that these are the blandest pop versions of EDM. It's a knock-off version of the real thing, and the real thing isn't that great to begin with.

Right... like back in the 80's when he was knocking off punk? Because artists need to pick a genre and stick to it...

"Knock off" my arse. It's an RnB album. It's not going to impress hardcore EDM fans. Nobody is popping pills and throwing shapes to this for 8 hours. But thats clearly not the intention. It just gives the songs a contemporary twist.

If my back is playing up I'll pop some pills while I'm listening to it.

Noodled24 said:

BartVanHemelen said:

It's not just that they are outdated, it's that these are the blandest pop versions of EDM. It's a knock-off version of the real thing, and the real thing isn't that great to begin with.

Right... like back in the 80's when he was knocking off punk? Because artists need to pick a genre and stick to it...

"Knock off" my arse. It's an RnB album. It's not going to impress hardcore EDM fans. Nobody is popping pills and throwing shapes to this for 8 hours. But thats clearly not the intention. It just gives the songs a contemporary twist.

What is throwing shapes?

Aerogram said:

LOL

If Prince incorporates some of the latest of the latest, he's called desperate. If he incorporates more tried and true sounds, he's called too conventional (and desperate).

There's just no pleasing this fanbase, especially those awful Prince snobs.

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Sigh...

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THIS IS NOT "THE LATEST OF THE LATEST". This is dinky toys shite. This is a bunch of cheap-ass patches.

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Yeah, I'm such a fucking snob for daring to ask why Prince is wasting his time and talent on shite like this instead of making a record that is as goddamn gorgeous and honest like Sufjan Stevens' Carrie & Lowell.

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Once again you make up shit instead of actually paying attention. Yes, HNR is shite, not because it is using "the latest of the latest" but because it is a bad copy of something that is already pretty shite, coupled with a bunch of "this will do" craptastic non-songs where Prince is boasting about being the funkiest and earning so much money. Just like Donald Trump: garish and nonsensical.

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And "Free Yourself" is shite not because it uses "tried and true sounds", but because it is a cheap facsimile of something he did in 1982 and because again THE SONG ITSELF IS SHITE. Oh great, more of his superficial self improvement crap he got from reading some abysmal self-help book, the kind of bullshit he's been peddling since Chaos & Disorder.

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Even if all of these things sounded completely different, they'd still be shite because THE SONGS ARE SHITE.

BartVanHemelen said:

BartVanHemelen said:

Sigh...

Is the sound the grumpy dwarf makes. (Make your own Prince joke)

Once again you make up shit instead of actually paying attention. Yes, HNR is shite, not because it is using "the latest of the latest" but because it is a bad copy of something that is already pretty shite, coupled with a bunch of "this will do" craptastic non-songs where Prince is boasting about being the funkiest and earning so much money. Just like Donald Trump: garish and nonsensical.

They said that about Punk.

They said that about Grunge

They said that about Hip-Hop
I'll end the madness there, because as we all know; the previous generation ALWAYS says that about what the current generation are listening to.

So to be clear... you don't like the "genre" but you're telling us you are well versed on current sounds and production techniques. Is anyone buying that? That's sloppy trolling even for you.

And "Free Yourself" is shite not because it uses "tried and true sounds", but because it is a cheap facsimile of something he did in 1982 and because again THE SONG ITSELF IS SHITE. Oh great, more of his superficial self improvement crap he got from reading some abysmal self-help book, the kind of bullshit he's been peddling since Chaos & Disorder.

FreeUrself I kind of agree. It's a complete throwback. It's not deep on any level but it's enjoyable enough. Unless you're looking for something that isn't there. Complaining that Prince isn't singing about the topics you want him to just seems inherently shallow

Aerogram said:

LOL

If Prince incorporates some of the latest of the latest, he's called desperate. If he incorporates more tried and true sounds, he's called too conventional (and desperate).

There's just no pleasing this fanbase, especially those awful Prince snobs.

There are ways to make a 'Current' sounding album, Listen to Janet Jackson's new one, thats a well made and sounds with the times, the production on it is brilliant at times. Yes Prince is a different artists to Janet Jackson but it goes to show the massive difference in production quality used by two people who wanted to make an album that sounded good in 2015 one who worked with an Ameteur Producer and one who put her ideas together with people who knew what they were doing. Instead he is working with Josh and justifying it by saying he's giving youth a chance.

Hit n Run lacks real good production, has weak/lame lyrics and sounds dated.

I'm holding out a little hope for Phase two, I'll just maybe pool the tracks I'll listen to from both albums onto one

EDM?

Please write in clear, acceptable terms what you mean.

Please do not throw around meaningless general terms.

funkomatic said:

udo said:

EDM?

Please write in clear, acceptable terms what you mean.

Please do not throw around meaningless general terms.

who?

BartVanHemelen said:

Aerogram said:

LOL

If Prince incorporates some of the latest of the latest, he's called desperate. If he incorporates more tried and true sounds, he's called too conventional (and desperate).

There's just no pleasing this fanbase, especially those awful Prince snobs.

.

Sigh...

.

THIS IS NOT "THE LATEST OF THE LATEST". This is dinky toys shite. This is a bunch of cheap-ass patches.

.

Yeah, I'm such a fucking snob for daring to ask why Prince is wasting his time and talent on shite like this instead of making a record that is as goddamn gorgeous and honest like Sufjan Stevens' Carrie & Lowell.

.

Once again you make up shit instead of actually paying attention. Yes, HNR is shite, not because it is using "the latest of the latest" but because it is a bad copy of something that is already pretty shite, coupled with a bunch of "this will do" craptastic non-songs where Prince is boasting about being the funkiest and earning so much money. Just like Donald Trump: garish and nonsensical.

.

And "Free Yourself" is shite not because it uses "tried and true sounds", but because it is a cheap facsimile of something he did in 1982 and because again THE SONG ITSELF IS SHITE. Oh great, more of his superficial self improvement crap he got from reading some abysmal self-help book, the kind of bullshit he's been peddling since Chaos & Disorder.

.

Even if all of these things sounded completely different, they'd still be shite because THE SONGS ARE SHITE.

Where did I say Hitnrun was the latest of the latest? (Insert a good "Learn to read" here).

Funknroll (AOA) had some some hyphy elements which is a little more recent, and old fans didn't like it. Hitnrun is more like EDM 10 years ago, and old fans don't like it.

You know I'm right, it doesn't matter how current or dated his EDM is since half the Org will call him desperate one way or the other.

This is a real head scratcher. I have stated numerous times over the years that Prince used the same patches for decades. It made every song sound like it was recorded during the same 3 week period in the Spring of 1990. It was like every release was like he was just cleaning out his closet of old material. I just got HITnRUN album yesterday. Put on the ear phones while I ran some errands. It played through twice. I like it. The music is very different than the past, but the melodies are familure. A couple of tunes have a Marilyn Mason vibe to it.