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Prince interview about Tidal

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Reply #1 posted 08/09/15 7:45am

kapo74

So, technically, what Prince wants is Prince radio on demand... Now the ?uestion is, would anyone pay for this?

[Edited 8/9/15 7:46am]

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Reply #2 posted 08/09/15 9:38am

Pentacle

kapo74 said:

So, technically, what Prince wants is Prince radio on demand... Now the ?uestion is, would anyone pay for this?

[Edited 8/9/15 7:46am]


Where does it say that in this half page 'interview'?

Anyway, looks like he and WB have really hit it off again.
Goodbye remasters, hello more crap.


Stop the Prince Apologists ™
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Reply #3 posted 08/09/15 10:19am

kapo74

Pentacle said:

kapo74 said:

So, technically, what Prince wants is Prince radio on demand... Now the ?uestion is, would anyone pay for this?

[Edited 8/9/15 7:46am]


Where does it say that in this half page 'interview'?

Anyway, looks like he and WB have really hit it off again.
Goodbye remasters, hello more crap.


Just read between the lines... Prince wants somekind of channel to release everything he's got, without a record company as middle man. So I conclude; he should set up a Prince Radio Station, which streams all his songs. Back catalog, vault and new songs. And we the people should pay 10$ a month to listen and 1$ a song to download...

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Reply #4 posted 08/09/15 10:23am

Pentacle

kapo74 said:



Pentacle said:




kapo74 said:


So, technically, what Prince wants is Prince radio on demand... Now the ?uestion is, would anyone pay for this?


[Edited 8/9/15 7:46am]




Where does it say that in this half page 'interview'?

Anyway, looks like he and WB have really hit it off again.
Goodbye remasters, hello more crap.




Just read between the lines... Prince wants somekind of channel to release everything he's got, without a record company as middle man. So I conclude; he should set up a Prince Radio Station, which streams all his songs. Back catalog, vault and new songs. And we the people should pay 10$ a month to listen and 1$ a song to download...



Substitute website for radio and despair.
Stop the Prince Apologists ™
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Reply #5 posted 08/09/15 10:25am

kapo74

Pentacle said:

kapo74 said:

Just read between the lines... Prince wants somekind of channel to release everything he's got, without a record company as middle man. So I conclude; he should set up a Prince Radio Station, which streams all his songs. Back catalog, vault and new songs. And we the people should pay 10$ a month to listen and 1$ a song to download...

Substitute website for radio and despair.

No

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Reply #6 posted 08/09/15 10:46am

Pentacle

Okay. Good luck with your pipedream.
Stop the Prince Apologists ™
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Reply #7 posted 08/09/15 11:00am

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In a way P is one more time ahead of his time: some analysts say the future of music isn't even download but streamling services, because people will enjoy unlimited fast access to the interwho everywhere and won't feel the need to bother accumulating digital data when they can access their favorite music through an online service. If Hitnrun is a streaming only album, it will be distributed according to this model. Aged 38, I am one of those who feel people asking for physical releases are dinosaurs, but I still fancy having the music on a hard drive: maybe to the 20 year old kids I am just as much of a dinosaur as those who want a CD nod

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Reply #8 posted 08/09/15 11:25am

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kapo74 said:

Pentacle said:


Where does it say that in this half page 'interview'?

Anyway, looks like he and WB have really hit it off again.
Goodbye remasters, hello more crap.


Just read between the lines... Prince wants somekind of channel to release everything he's got, without a record company as middle man. So I conclude; he should set up a Prince Radio Station, which streams all his songs. Back catalog, vault and new songs. And we the people should pay 10$ a month to listen and 1$ a song to download...

As far as his back catalog is concerned - HELL FUCK NO - I will not pay to listen to it on a Prince radio station. Why would I do that when I've already paid for them - several times over - in the form of albums, 45s, cassettes, CDs, DVDs and concert tickets? As far as his new catalog is concerned - HELL FUCK NO - I will not pay to listen to it on a Prince rasio station either because frankly I DO NOT LIKE IT!

Now what I will pay for---even on TIDAL--- is LIVE CONCERT VIDEO FOOTAGE. Past most certainly and present too if it's included in the subscription fee. wink

[Edited 8/9/15 11:44am]

I knew from the start that I loved you with all my heart.
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Reply #9 posted 08/09/15 11:31am

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Why not create his own streaming service? Yea, he would charge a hundred dollars a month and wonder why nobody paid. lol

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #10 posted 08/09/15 11:32am

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He should do a stream--ten bucks a month, unlimited downloads, everything from the vault, live videos, specials, etc. Done.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #11 posted 08/09/15 11:40am

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2freaky4church1 said:

He should do a stream--ten bucks a month, unlimited downloads, everything from the vault, live videos, specials, etc. Done.

And there it is! Everybody's happy! hammer

The only problem with that is Prince apparently, obviously and just plain flat fucking out doesn't want EVERYBODY to be happy...just him!


Hence my current goto attitude towards him:

I knew from the start that I loved you with all my heart.
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Reply #12 posted 08/09/15 11:42am

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well, it's the same blablabla we've been hearing from him for 20 years now,

except this time he's going off on streaming. it's always something.

why is he still complaining about the middle man taking a piece of his pie,

when he could just sell his stuff from his own online store.

if he's doing all this out of the kindness of his heart to make sure all artists
are getting better deals, well good for him, but why doesn't he explicitly
state that?

instead he's always interviewed by 1 person for an entire day, or two days

or has a dozen reporters over for an hourlong session and they end up
writing more about his furniture or his ionized water or whatever than they
do about anything that was said. because what was said seems to always
be the same thing, narrated in crosswords, clichés and more often than not

a nice helping of political incorrectness.

falloff

the comments are also same old shit, yet they differ just enough to remain
sort of funny (unlike prince's rants).

i mean, this one:

"Let's be fair here. Prince is the size of a dash-board hula-girl."

falloff

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
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Reply #13 posted 08/09/15 11:42am

RobotDevil

2freaky4church1 said:

Why not create his own streaming service? Yea, he would charge a hundred dollars a month and wonder why nobody paid. lol

And the membership would require you to "pay X number of months in advance" and then the service would mysteriously and suddenly shut down after one month. confused

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Reply #14 posted 08/09/15 12:01pm

terrig

HatrinaHaterwitz said:


Now what I will pay for---even on TIDAL--- is LIVE CONCERT VIDEO FOOTAGE. Past most certainly and present too if it's included in the subscription fee. wink

[Edited 8/9/15 11:44am]



oh hell yes, if that ever happens i'll join tidal in 30 seconds!

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Reply #15 posted 08/09/15 12:08pm

Se7en

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"Jay Z spent $100 million of his own money to build his own service. We have to show support for artists who are trying to own things for themselves."

If this is true, this is around the same amount as the massive contract Prince got in the early 90's that got so much publicity.

I can't believe Jay Z would spend that much money in a streaming service, but then again Garth Brooks made his own iTunes Store competitor (Ghost Tunes) for a lot of the same reasons.
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Reply #16 posted 08/09/15 12:15pm

Doozer

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Glad there's a new album, but wish the story surrounding it was different than the same thing we have been hearing since 1994.
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Middlemen are everywhere and Prince uses them just like "normal" people. His cars come from a dealership, his studio was built by contractors, and the reporters invited to the event all have contracts with their employers of one kind or another.
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No young, unsigned artist could dream of doing what Prince is able to do because of his past history with a major label.
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And if you're going to complain about Clear Channel, consider doing it using the name they've been using for almost a year?
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http://www.usatoday.com/s.../15717507/
Check out The Mountains and the Sea, a Prince podcast by yours truly and my wife. More info at https://www.facebook.com/TMATSPodcast/
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Reply #17 posted 08/09/15 12:44pm

SoulAlive

Exactly! He's been bitching and complaining about the same thing for 20 years now nuts In 1996,he got his "freedom" from Warners.He's now free to do whatever he wants,and yet he still doesn't seem satisfied.Like you said,it's always something.

IstenSzek said:

well, it's the same blablabla we've been hearing from him for 20 years now,

except this time he's going off on streaming. it's always something.

why is he still complaining about the middle man taking a piece of his pie,

when he could just sell his stuff from his own online store.

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Reply #18 posted 08/09/15 12:58pm

donnyenglish

He released more albums when he was under contract. He says albums still matter, but he releases mostly internet singles since being free. I'm just saying.
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Reply #19 posted 08/09/15 1:01pm

XSX

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Look...as has probably been discussed/exposed here previously (possibly by me when I was on different drugs), the WB return as actually just a giveaway because the corporates needed to divest of some catalogue to skip monopolies legislation. A friend also on Warner in the 90's just got HIS catalogue back in the same way but balked at a resign with Universal (so far).

I've forgotten the point I was here to make so that'll have to be it.

“I don't believe anything, but I have many suspicions.”
-Robert Anton Wilson
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Reply #20 posted 08/09/15 1:02pm

NME01

Se7en said:

"Jay Z spent $100 million of his own money to build his own service. We have to show support for artists who are trying to own things for themselves."

If this is true, this is around the same amount as the massive contract Prince got in the early 90's that got so much publicity.

I can't believe Jay Z would spend that much money in a streaming service, but then again Garth Brooks made his own iTunes Store competitor (Ghost Tunes) for a lot of the same reasons.


It really is embarrassing to hear Prince spout this shit. Did he read some Jay-Z fan girl site to get his info?

Jay-Z fronted a group of venture capitalists to aide the marketing and PR behind their takeover of Tidal - which already existed and was lauded for its sound quality.
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Reply #21 posted 08/09/15 1:03pm

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Erm, does the interview just end with '"That's why you're here," he laughed.', cos that seems to be when it's just getting going. Is there another page or two that I'm missing? And if not then there's a lot of extrapolation from the very little he said. I kind of imagine him sat in a massive chair the spins round and he's stroking a cat...

Comin str8 outta Preston...
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Reply #22 posted 08/09/15 1:04pm

V10LETBLUES

I bet he could make more money from merch such as tees than music online. He doesn't even have to make them or design them, just have vendors submit them. I'd buy a lovesexy tee, an sott tee. As long as the fabric or quality of products is nice. He's iconic enough to good money on music merch such as Hendrix. But not tacky things such as perfumes, but vinyl, rare collectibles, posters, downloads, tees clothing accessories.
He doesn't even have to run it himself, have people bid to run it got a cut of profits.
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Reply #23 posted 08/09/15 1:09pm

jdcxc

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Glad there's a new album, but wish the story surrounding it was different than the same thing we have been hearing since 1994.
.
Middlemen are everywhere and Prince uses them just like "normal" people. His cars come from a dealership, his studio was built by contractors, and the reporters invited to the event all have contracts with their employers of one kind or another.
.
No young, unsigned artist could dream of doing what Prince is able to do because of his past history with a major label.
.
And if you're going to complain about Clear Channel, consider doing it using the name they've been using for almost a year?
.
http://www.usatoday.com/s.../15717507/


Nothing like standing up for the 1%ers.

And Clear Channel, or whatever big brother name they are calling themselves, are evil.

Prince is an independent artist who speaks his mind. He does not have to be perfectly consistent. If you put one of the WASP music biz CEO's on stage describing their business model it would fit like a nice package...except there would be no explanation for the lack of diversity at the top and the ruined corporate state Of music.

Have you heard crap American radio lately? Yea, the model is just humming...lol.
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Reply #24 posted 08/09/15 1:37pm

Doozer

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jdcxc said:

Doozer said:

Glad there's a new album, but wish the story surrounding it was different than the same thing we have been hearing since 1994.
.
Middlemen are everywhere and Prince uses them just like "normal" people. His cars come from a dealership, his studio was built by contractors, and the reporters invited to the event all have contracts with their employers of one kind or another.
.
No young, unsigned artist could dream of doing what Prince is able to do because of his past history with a major label.
.
And if you're going to complain about Clear Channel, consider doing it using the name they've been using for almost a year?
.
http://www.usatoday.com/s.../15717507/


Nothing like standing up for the 1%ers.

And Clear Channel, or whatever big brother name they are calling themselves, are evil.

Prince is an independent artist who speaks his mind. He does not have to be perfectly consistent. If you put one of the WASP music biz CEO's on stage describing their business model it would fit like a nice package...except there would be no explanation for the lack of diversity at the top and the ruined corporate state Of music.

Have you heard crap American radio lately? Yea, the model is just humming...lol.


I think you're misunderstanding my post - not "standing up for the 1%ers." Pointing out that Prince's clout as an independent artist is hinged largely on his success in a system he has spoken out about for more than two decades. There's a small amount of hypocracy there. I get that you sometimes can't find fault in a system without first being embedded in it, but it's easy to hand out advice to up and coming artists when you're sitting on a small empire of royalty money and being able to command $1 million or more for concerts.
.
My point with Clear Channel - if you want to be taken seriously about your opinion of a corporate machine, get their name right. How much respect would Prince give to people who didn't buy into his name change 20 years ago?
Check out The Mountains and the Sea, a Prince podcast by yours truly and my wife. More info at https://www.facebook.com/TMATSPodcast/
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Reply #25 posted 08/09/15 2:17pm

jdcxc

Doozer said:

jdcxc said:



Nothing like standing up for the 1%ers.

And Clear Channel, or whatever big brother name they are calling themselves, are evil.

Prince is an independent artist who speaks his mind. He does not have to be perfectly consistent. If you put one of the WASP music biz CEO's on stage describing their business model it would fit like a nice package...except there would be no explanation for the lack of diversity at the top and the ruined corporate state Of music.

Have you heard crap American radio lately? Yea, the model is just humming...lol.


I think you're misunderstanding my post - not "standing up for the 1%ers." Pointing out that Prince's clout as an independent artist is hinged largely on his success in a system he has spoken out about for more than two decades. There's a small amount of hypocracy there. I get that you sometimes can't find fault in a system without first being embedded in it, but it's easy to hand out advice to up and coming artists when you're sitting on a small empire of royalty money and being able to command $1 million or more for concerts.
.
My point with Clear Channel - if you want to be taken seriously about your opinion of a corporate machine, get their name right. How much respect would Prince give to people who didn't buy into his name change 20 years ago?


I don't get the hypocrisy statement. Of course Prince has to play in a larger system. There is nothing wrong with giving young artists the benefit of his 40 years of business perspective to counter the prevailing structural realities. And Prince has sacrificed millions of dollars to not play it safe in his career.
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Reply #26 posted 08/09/15 4:42pm

Doozer

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jdcxc said:

Doozer said:
I think you're misunderstanding my post - not "standing up for the 1%ers." Pointing out that Prince's clout as an independent artist is hinged largely on his success in a system he has spoken out about for more than two decades. There's a small amount of hypocracy there. I get that you sometimes can't find fault in a system without first being embedded in it, but it's easy to hand out advice to up and coming artists when you're sitting on a small empire of royalty money and being able to command $1 million or more for concerts. . My point with Clear Channel - if you want to be taken seriously about your opinion of a corporate machine, get their name right. How much respect would Prince give to people who didn't buy into his name change 20 years ago?
I don't get the hypocrisy statement. Of course Prince has to play in a larger system. There is nothing wrong with giving young artists the benefit of his 40 years of business perspective to counter the prevailing structural realities. And Prince has sacrificed millions of dollars to not play it safe in his career.

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Hypocrisy = "I signed multiple deals with a label that made me famous, rich, and gave me a foundation upon which I tour to this day and from which I will benefit for the rest of my life. I decided after I built a library of hits and built a recording studio that I didn't like what the contract meant for ownership of my master recordings, so I worked hard to get out the deal as fast as I could, and I could afford to do so."

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Hypocrisy = "I made a deal with Jay-Z, so don't you young artists sign a record deal."

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Jay-Z isn't picking up the phone if I call him. He picks up the phone if Prince calls him.

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Again, I applaud Prince for his stance, but a) the stance is old, no longer news and b) what is he really doing to change anything?

Check out The Mountains and the Sea, a Prince podcast by yours truly and my wife. More info at https://www.facebook.com/TMATSPodcast/
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Reply #27 posted 08/09/15 5:01pm

jdcxc

Doozer said:



jdcxc said:


Doozer said:
I think you're misunderstanding my post - not "standing up for the 1%ers." Pointing out that Prince's clout as an independent artist is hinged largely on his success in a system he has spoken out about for more than two decades. There's a small amount of hypocracy there. I get that you sometimes can't find fault in a system without first being embedded in it, but it's easy to hand out advice to up and coming artists when you're sitting on a small empire of royalty money and being able to command $1 million or more for concerts. . My point with Clear Channel - if you want to be taken seriously about your opinion of a corporate machine, get their name right. How much respect would Prince give to people who didn't buy into his name change 20 years ago?

I don't get the hypocrisy statement. Of course Prince has to play in a larger system. There is nothing wrong with giving young artists the benefit of his 40 years of business perspective to counter the prevailing structural realities. And Prince has sacrificed millions of dollars to not play it safe in his career.

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Hypocrisy = "I signed multiple deals with a label that made me famous, rich, and gave me a foundation upon which I tour to this day and from which I will benefit for the rest of my life. I decided after I built a library of hits and built a recording studio that I didn't like what the contract meant for ownership of my master recordings, so I worked hard to get out the deal as fast as I could, and I could afford to do so."


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Hypocrisy = "I made a deal with Jay-Z, so don't you young artists sign a record deal."


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Jay-Z isn't picking up the phone if I call him. He picks up the phone if Prince calls him.


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Again, I applaud Prince for his stance, but a) the stance is old, no longer news and b) what is he really doing to change anything?



You have it flipped.

Prince's genius was the foundation by which the label reaped tons of $$$...Purple Rain has grossed over $250 million alone. He took a crazy risk that has cost him $100 million Madonna money to pursue the right to say and do whatever the hell he pleases.

Young artists can be educated by his mistakes, examples and vision- while at the same time being smarter when making those inevitable one-sided business decisions.

And to your last point, if more consumers and artists spoke out like Prince maybe their would not be such a soul sucking corporate machine in place. You didn't hear McCartney, Jagger, etc. saying anything when old blues men were dying broke either.
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Reply #28 posted 08/09/15 5:13pm

emesem

hmm I wonder how much he milked JayZ (or more likely his investors) for?

Prince just goes to whomever gives him the biggest advance.

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Reply #29 posted 08/09/15 5:30pm

SoulAlive

Exactly.It's ridiculous for Prince to be advising young artists not to sign with major labels,when that's exactly what HE did back in 1977.Without a major label,he would have never became the huge,popular,well-known artist that he is now.

Doozer said:

No young, unsigned artist could dream of doing what Prince is able to do because of his past history with a major label. .
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