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Reply #60 posted 04/27/15 6:51am

LewArcher

I'm surprised how much credit people take away for misfires... while I'd obv rather have a "perfect" album, I really prefer the maximum number of great songs + some clunkers vs. a more consistent album with less standouts. (I know that some people just think Symbol is better, but there also seems to be a common attitude that D&P just has too many bad songs.) IMO, D&P is the last P album that, if it were edited to the length of his 80-88 classics, woud be just as strong as some of those greats. Picture the following configuration:

1. Thunder

2. Diamonds and Pearls

3. Cream

4. Strollin'

5. Willing and Able

6. Gett Off

7. Walk Don't Walk

8. Money Don't Matter 2Night

9. Insatiable

You could put that in the argument with some of P's best work! I know it doesn't include some real misfires that were actually on the album, but still... really surprised Symbol is winning this poll by such a landslide, even though I get the argument that it's more consistent. I also think P fans have a very different idea of which songs are "embarrassing" than most of the general public. That's not a topic I care much about, but when both albums came out, I was in school and at basically the exact age (early to mid teens) when what's "trendy" and public perception are everywhere and dominate how people feel about music. My experience was that D&P was really popular... my peers liked Gett Off a lot, as it was both funky and explicit, Cream was just a big mainstream hit almost everybody dug and acccepted as such and even D&P was a popular love song played at school dances. Nobody ever cared that a couple of the album tracks sounded silly. I never once heard hate for "Jughead" or "Push" brought up, and I played the album and was around kids playing the album... everyone acted like those songs were normal (or if they got skipped, I've forgetten it, and certainly nobody made an issue out of it... I actually remember the ballads getting skipped instead sometimes since they weren't as "trendy" for teens). I know what's "popular" isn't the same as what people like, but the topics seem to bleed over on the org, and I think the perception that songs like "Jughead" and "Push" are horrible embarrassments just isn't true with the general public. Yeah... they're filler, but whatever... "My Name Is Prince" becoming a lead single had a much worse effect on his career and it's easy nowadays to make a copy of D&P with the above tracklist. I know this is sacrilege, but my list of all-time best P albums would include that above tracklist somewhere around #5 or #6... Symbol (even with a similar "top 9" tracklist) would land easily 8-10 spots below for me.

[Edited 4/27/15 6:52am]

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Reply #61 posted 04/27/15 7:07am

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I voted for prince but am I the only one who seriously likes Daddy Pop (the song, not the Arsenio Hall performance gif razz )?

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Reply #62 posted 04/27/15 7:14am

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LewArcher said:

I'm surprised how much credit people take away for misfires... while I'd obv rather have a "perfect" album, I really prefer the maximum number of great songs + some clunkers vs. a more consistent album with less standouts. (I know that some people just think Symbol is better, but there also seems to be a common attitude that D&P just has too many bad songs.) IMO, D&P is the last P album that, if it were edited to the length of his 80-88 classics, woud be just as strong as some of those greats. Picture the following configuration:

1. Thunder

2. Diamonds and Pearls

3. Cream

4. Strollin'

5. Willing and Able

6. Gett Off

7. Walk Don't Walk

8. Money Don't Matter 2Night

9. Insatiable

You could put that in the argument with some of P's best work! I know it doesn't include some real misfires that were actually on the album, but still... really surprised Symbol is winning this poll by such a landslide, even though I get the argument that it's more consistent. I also think P fans have a very different idea of which songs are "embarrassing" than most of the general public. That's not a topic I care much about, but when both albums came out, I was in school and at basically the exact age (early to mid teens) when what's "trendy" and public perception are everywhere and dominate how people feel about music. My experience was that D&P was really popular... my peers liked Gett Off a lot, as it was both funky and explicit, Cream was just a big mainstream hit almost everybody dug and acccepted as such and even D&P was a popular love song played at school dances. Nobody ever cared that a couple of the album tracks sounded silly. I never once heard hate for "Jughead" or "Push" brought up, and I played the album and was around kids playing the album... everyone acted like those songs were normal (or if they got skipped, I've forgetten it, and certainly nobody made an issue out of it... I actually remember the ballads getting skipped instead sometimes since they weren't as "trendy" for teens). I know what's "popular" isn't the same as what people like, but the topics seem to bleed over on the org, and I think the perception that songs like "Jughead" and "Push" are horrible embarrassments just isn't true with the general public. Yeah... they're filler, but whatever... "My Name Is Prince" becoming a lead single had a much worse effect on his career and it's easy nowadays to make a copy of D&P with the above tracklist. I know this is sacrilege, but my list of all-time best P albums would include that above tracklist somewhere around #5 or #6... Symbol (even with a similar "top 9" tracklist) would land easily 8-10 spots below for me.

[Edited 4/27/15 6:52am]

Yeah we had this thread recently enough where we all got our 8-track diamonds and pearls playlists out:

http://prince.org/msg/7/408772

It works well imho


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Reply #63 posted 04/27/15 10:18am

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Averett said:

I voted for prince but am I the only one who seriously likes Daddy Pop (the song, not the Arsenio Hall performance gif razz )?

Nope, I love it too.

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Reply #64 posted 04/27/15 12:48pm

RJOrion

motherfunka said:



Averett said:


I voted for prince but am I the only one who seriously likes Daddy Pop (the song, not the Arsenio Hall performance gif razz )?





Nope, I love it too.



nah..."Daddy Pop" the song, goes hard...its the video performance with them Gameboyz thats suspect...the song itself though, is one of the best joints on D&P
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Reply #65 posted 04/27/15 1:11pm

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RJOrion said:

motherfunka said:

Nope, I love it too.

nah..."Daddy Pop" the song, goes hard...its the video performance with them Gameboyz thats suspect...the song itself though, is one of the best joints on D&P

It's a good song...i never saw the video and from that little snippet above thats a good thing.

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Reply #66 posted 04/27/15 1:35pm

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prince and it isn't even close.

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Reply #67 posted 04/30/15 1:32pm

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Averett said:

I voted for prince but am I the only one who seriously likes Daddy Pop (the song, not the Arsenio Hall performance gif razz )?

I like that song!

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Reply #68 posted 04/30/15 7:46pm

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CharismaDove said:

PurpleSullivan said:

If you were to take off the garbage (excessive Tony M. raps *cough cough*) and replace it with unreleased vault tracks from the time, Diamonds & Pearls, in my opinion, would completely KILL prince ! Lmfao.


The Martika tracks, the 'Hold Me' 'Allegiance' 'Open Book' ballads, Schoolyard, etc?

Yepppp

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Reply #69 posted 04/30/15 8:39pm

VelvetKittyKat

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The production on prince is so great it's hard to believe he did it.

prince gets my vote.

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Reply #70 posted 05/01/15 3:06am

KingSausage

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VelvetKittyKat said:

The production on prince is so great it's hard to believe he did it.


prince gets my vote.




I thought this same thing when I was listening to it the other day. It's so warm and organic sounding. It's hard to believe it's Prince.
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Reply #71 posted 05/01/15 3:40am

dodger

KingSausage said:

VelvetKittyKat said:

The production on prince is so great it's hard to believe he did it.

prince gets my vote.

I thought this same thing when I was listening to it the other day. It's so warm and organic sounding. It's hard to believe it's Prince.

Yes, it still sounds great all these years later, I love the live band with horns sound.

D&P has its moments but Symbol is a big step up for me.

Its interesting to see the progression from D&P to Symbol to Gold era.

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Reply #72 posted 05/01/15 5:15am

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D&P is a good collection of good pop songs but it's much more consensual than prince which is an extravaganza. I think there's no contest, really, prince has many more layers of complexity musically and thematically, and is a much more intense artistic proposition.

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Reply #73 posted 05/01/15 6:56am

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Y'know, this was a funny time for Prince. As a recording artist, he was obviously feeling the pressure to deliver commercially, and it shows in how disjointed his albums were getting. You started seeing a lot more obvious clunkers and genre-chasers making their way into the tracklist. At the same time, he was still capable at the time of writing masterful pop songs like Cream and 7.

I'll vote Diamonds and Pearls because it's less cluttered with filler and stand-out misfires. prince has some great tracks that get buried as the album falls apart in the second half.

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Reply #74 posted 05/01/15 8:40am

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The song Get Off was the song that got me interested in Prince when I was 14 years old so DP will always have a special place in my heart, although I rarely listen to it, I listen to NEWS more than it for some reason. It's a good album but Jughead and Push are probably Prince's worst songs in my opinion. The LS and The God Experience are the albums I listen to the most so LS wins this contest for me.

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Reply #75 posted 05/01/15 9:14am

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Symbol LP by far!

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Reply #76 posted 05/01/15 9:17am

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prince hands down, eventhough I love a lot of the D&P tracks.

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Reply #77 posted 05/01/15 9:31am

KingSausage

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I've always fucking hated Gett Off. Like, HATED.
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Reply #78 posted 05/01/15 9:55am

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KingSausage said:

I've always fucking hated Gett Off. Like, HATED.

Even the remixes?

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Reply #79 posted 05/01/15 10:43am

KingSausage

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Graycap23 said:



KingSausage said:


I've always fucking hated Gett Off. Like, HATED.

Even the remixes?




Yes. I don't know why. It just grates on me. I love Cream, title track, Money Don't Matter. But Gett Off just gets on my nerves.
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Reply #80 posted 05/01/15 4:29pm

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That's a tough 1, but I'll say D&P just for Strollin and Walk Don't Walk boogie.
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Reply #81 posted 05/01/15 6:06pm

mrsquirrel

Love Symbol all the way

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlnWxETWggg

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Reply #82 posted 05/02/15 3:13pm

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KingSausage said:

I've always fucking hated Gett Off. Like, HATED.


I am so with you. Even Jughead will do instead.

The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
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Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
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Reply #83 posted 05/03/15 8:54am

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Are you guys serious??? Gett Off is a first rate club banger, what is not to like about it?

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Reply #84 posted 05/03/15 9:29am

RJOrion

how can people hate Gett Off?

i know everyone is entitled to their own tastes, but damn

that ass stomping beat almost makes Tony M's horrible rapping more tolerable

and the timing seemed right for P to make an honest attempt at a hiphop record
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Reply #85 posted 05/03/15 9:33am

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RJOrion said:

how can people hate Gett Off?

i know everyone is entitled to their own tastes, but damn

that ass stomping beat almost makes Tony M's horrible rapping more tolerable

and the timing seemed right for P to make an honest attempt at a hiphop record



I think it's because I've been to way, WAY too many shitty parties at which Gett Off was played. That and it's just kind of corny. I think it's one of the least sophisticated or challenging singles he ever released during his pre-name change era. There's almost nothing about the track that I like.
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Reply #86 posted 05/03/15 9:44am

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bonatoc said:

KingSausage said:

I've always fucking hated Gett Off. Like, HATED.


I am so with you. Even Jughead will do instead.

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Reply #87 posted 05/03/15 11:13am

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Averett said:

bonatoc said:


I am so with you. Even Jughead will do instead.

The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose
Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
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Reply #88 posted 05/03/15 2:02pm

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Agree with a lot of people on this thread that D&P is the safer/tamer of the two albums. prince is a crazy musical trip through many styles...the more flamboyant and virtuoso of the two. I like the live sound to the instuments on both of these albums...it carried on somewhat onto Come..

Anyway my vote is for prince

yes

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Reply #89 posted 05/04/15 4:48am

iZsaZsa

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It's all jewellery.
What?
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