eclem5 said:

bonatoc said:

This :

https://www.youtube.com/w...bDqXr6LbXo

It took producer Chris Thomas a great deal of work to make the Sex Pistols sound like they did.

I took the most popular example in punk, since our friends eclem5 and TASKAE could use a little musicology lessons.
You guys are so moving, trying to save from the trash this poor "Ronnie Talk 2 Russia" reboot.

Ronnie Talk 2 Russia is not great because it was composed in 1981, it's great because :

- The man screams his lungs out, like armaggedon means something.

- Repetitive lyrics, which is one of the major requisites for being qualified as "punk".

- Electro-Rockabilly is a style that only Prince has attempted and successfully realized.
- The machine gun effects are top notch.

- Great solo.

Marz does not suck because it was composed in 2015, it sucks because :

- Vocally, it's a decal from Plastic Bertrand's Ça Plane Pour Moi.

- No one cares about punk in 2015.

- Instead of a guitar solo, we get a dull bridge.

- The lyrics are childish, and carry no real politic message of any kind.

- "Everybody in the world wants to be a star, Few got what it takes to get that far" : further proof that Prince is still mentally stuck in the eighties.

No, Prince, in 2015, no sane person wants to be a star anymore and add more garbage to the system.
And if you're talking to youngsters addicted to reality shows or fake competitions like American Idol,
well, they're not listening to you, so what's the point?

Now Ronnie clocks at 1:58. Marz clocks at 1:48.

There is a lot more happening on Ronnie, and not because od these extra 10 seconds.
The only "punk" thing Marz can reclaim is a Ramones song timing, that's all.


Now, on haterz :

I think you are mistaken a great deal. Like The Velvet Underground made everyone who bought their first album

to pull up a rock band of their own, similarly Prince has brought a lot of kids to build a home studio (a drum machine and a 4-track tape recorder).

It's fair to say that most of the people who criticize here know a thing or two about music, and that they have eclectic music tastes.
So when we bash the guy, it's rightfully so.

Now I can understand why you need so badly to project yourself into Prince, and think that he's some kind of God
who is totally in charge and aware of what he's doing : Prince has become the definitive "what if" musician,

worse than Big Star, Love, or Karen Dalton and such.

I can't think of no one who spilled as much milk as he did.
And sadly he seems keen on following this path until the end.

It's sad because of outside of commercial issues, AOA would have deserve to get to the 2015 audience,

because it is an album of schizophrenia and paranoia disguised as pop songs.

There is some substance to it.


Marz has the same dull, vulgar, artificial taste of the Kraft Foods® chocolate bar.
Looks and tastes like shit.

[Edited 1/22/15 11:54am]

[Edited 1/23/15 15:49pm]

There is a old American expression that goes: "You don't know shit from shinola"

I had the privildge to go to Montreux Jazz fest 2013 and talk to Prince fans from around the world. It was great to speak with people who were knowlegable about Prince music as well as all genres of music as well. One thing that was clear to me was that because Prince music encompasses many types many types of music everyone has their own favor Prince genre of Music. Europeans Loved the "Gold" Album while it the least favorite of most Americans. American love "Sign of the Times" while most Europeans found it over-rated.

Another thing I realize is that Europeans do not ALWAYS get what the songs are about because things can be lost in translation. A very smart guy I met from Europe who had listen to Prince since the 80's and was a super fan did not know "Tamborine" from Around the World in a Day was about masterbation.

"Marz" is a comentary about the African American situation in America that is very real to me and the lyrics are very timely especially with police brutality and current lack of employment opportunities that many people struggle with on a daily basis.

I thought maybe I'll help you understand

Lost my job at Mickie D's Mickies D's is slang for McDonald which is a minimal wage low paying job
4 giving away 2 much food 4 free
But I couldn't watch another black child go 2 school
With nothing to eat That should be self explanatory, but there is a lot of poverty and hunger in African American Community so while he was actually committing a crime he was helping his community the best he could and lost his only means of income at the time by doing this.
7 of us then took 2 the streets Alternative for African American can be few so Street life consisting of Selling drugs, sports or entertainment are highly sought out
Raised by the music, fed by the beat
C-ing how long we could stay outta jail is how we'd
That's how we'd compete African Americans are 13% of the US population, African American make up 46% of the prison population, so instead of competing for careers avoiding prison is the goal of life.

We never owned the streets that we keep defending This speaks of gang activity killing each other over neighborhood be it for drug selling or pride
So the $ we got we just end up spending Because of lack of not having things growing up, when some poor African Americans finally get some money they spend it of flashy crap
With nothing 2 save & not a thing 4 lending

U're never really happy Kanye West is perfect example where he is cleary not happy at times even with his success
Just really good
At pretending

Everybody in the world wants 2 b a star So Entertainment is another way that African Americans try to beat poverty so everyone wants to be a Rapper
Few got what it takes 2 get that far Very few can actually do this
If a rocketship didn't cost more than a car
A brother might move
2 Marz Moving to Mars is as good as any alternative or opportunity that an African American may have.

The songs that I may like the most you may hate the most. So when it comes down to it, it's about opinion or the ability identfy with the artist. If it took Chris Thomas "a great deal of work to get the sex pistols sound that he couldn't reproduce because the fizzled mighty quickly. The Ramones and the Clash did it better with the same 2 or 3 chords any way, Nevermind the Bulllocks

Do you want Prince to Rule the Charts again like he did in the past? The Music Industry isn't bult like that anymore. An act like Phil Collins probably couldn't be successful these days just beacuse of his looks.

Just because your hating ass don't like it doesn't mean that it's not good. Please why don't put out a record if you could do better.

I think Your album would be on the left

eclem5 said:

bonatoc said:

This :

https://www.youtube.com/w...bDqXr6LbXo

It took producer Chris Thomas a great deal of work to make the Sex Pistols sound like they did.

I took the most popular example in punk, since our friends eclem5 and TASKAE could use a little musicology lessons.
You guys are so moving, trying to save from the trash this poor "Ronnie Talk 2 Russia" reboot.

Ronnie Talk 2 Russia is not great because it was composed in 1981, it's great because :

- The man screams his lungs out, like armaggedon means something.

- Repetitive lyrics, which is one of the major requisites for being qualified as "punk".

- Electro-Rockabilly is a style that only Prince has attempted and successfully realized.
- The machine gun effects are top notch.

- Great solo.

Marz does not suck because it was composed in 2015, it sucks because :

- Vocally, it's a decal from Plastic Bertrand's Ça Plane Pour Moi.

- No one cares about punk in 2015.

- Instead of a guitar solo, we get a dull bridge.

- The lyrics are childish, and carry no real politic message of any kind.

- "Everybody in the world wants to be a star, Few got what it takes to get that far" : further proof that Prince is still mentally stuck in the eighties.

No, Prince, in 2015, no sane person wants to be a star anymore and add more garbage to the system.
And if you're talking to youngsters addicted to reality shows or fake competitions like American Idol,
well, they're not listening to you, so what's the point?

Now Ronnie clocks at 1:58. Marz clocks at 1:48.

There is a lot more happening on Ronnie, and not because od these extra 10 seconds.
The only "punk" thing Marz can reclaim is a Ramones song timing, that's all.


Now, on haterz :

I think you are mistaken a great deal. Like The Velvet Underground made everyone who bought their first album

to pull up a rock band of their own, similarly Prince has brought a lot of kids to build a home studio (a drum machine and a 4-track tape recorder).

It's fair to say that most of the people who criticize here know a thing or two about music, and that they have eclectic music tastes.
So when we bash the guy, it's rightfully so.

Now I can understand why you need so badly to project yourself into Prince, and think that he's some kind of God
who is totally in charge and aware of what he's doing : Prince has become the definitive "what if" musician,

worse than Big Star, Love, or Karen Dalton and such.

I can't think of no one who spilled as much milk as he did.
And sadly he seems keen on following this path until the end.

It's sad because of outside of commercial issues, AOA would have deserve to get to the 2015 audience,

because it is an album of schizophrenia and paranoia disguised as pop songs.

There is some substance to it.


Marz has the same dull, vulgar, artificial taste of the Kraft Foods® chocolate bar.
Looks and tastes like shit.

[Edited 1/22/15 11:54am]

[Edited 1/23/15 15:49pm]

There is a old American expression that goes: "You don't know shit from shinola"

I had the privildge to go to Montreux Jazz fest 2013 and talk to Prince fans from around the world. It was great to speak with people who were knowlegable about Prince music as well as all genres of music as well. One thing that was clear to me was that because Prince music encompasses many types many types of music everyone has their own favor Prince genre of Music. Europeans Loved the "Gold" Album while it the least favorite of most Americans. American love "Sign of the Times" while most Europeans found it over-rated.

Another thing I realize is that Europeans do not ALWAYS get what the songs are about because things can be lost in translation. A very smart guy I met from Europe who had listen to Prince since the 80's and was a super fan did not know "Tamborine" from Around the World in a Day was about masterbation.

"Marz" is a comentary about the African American situation in America that is very real to me and the lyrics are very timely especially with police brutality and current lack of employment opportunities that many people struggle with on a daily basis.

I thought maybe I'll help you understand

Lost my job at Mickie D's Mickies D's is slang for McDonald which is a minimal wage low paying job
4 giving away 2 much food 4 free
But I couldn't watch another black child go 2 school
With nothing to eat That should be self explanatory, but there is a lot of poverty and hunger in African American Community so while he was actually committing a crime he was helping his community the best he could and lost his only means of income at the time by doing this.
7 of us then took 2 the streets Alternative for African American can be few so Street life consisting of Selling drugs, sports or entertainment are highly sought out
Raised by the music, fed by the beat
C-ing how long we could stay outta jail is how we'd
That's how we'd compete African Americans are 13% of the US population, African American make up 46% of the prison population, so instead of competing for careers avoiding prison is the goal of life.

We never owned the streets that we keep defending This speaks of gang activity killing each other over neighborhood be it for drug selling or pride
So the $ we got we just end up spending Because of lack of not having things growing up, when some poor African Americans finally get some money they spend it of flashy crap
With nothing 2 save & not a thing 4 lending

U're never really happy Kanye West is perfect example where he is cleary not happy at times even with his success
Just really good
At pretending

Everybody in the world wants 2 b a star So Entertainment is another way that African Americans try to beat poverty so everyone wants to be a Rapper
Few got what it takes 2 get that far Very few can actually do this
If a rocketship didn't cost more than a car
A brother might move
2 Marz Moving to Mars is as good as any alternative or opportunity that an African American may have.

The songs that I may like the most you may hate the most. So when it comes down to it, it's about opinion or the ability identfy with the artist. If it took Chris Thomas "a great deal of work to get the sex pistols sound that he couldn't reproduce because the fizzled mighty quickly. The Ramones and the Clash did it better with the same 2 or 3 chords any way, Nevermind the Bulllocks

Do you want Prince to Rule the Charts again like he did in the past? The Music Industry isn't bult like that anymore. An act like Phil Collins probably couldn't be successful these days just beacuse of his looks.

Just because your hating ass don't like it doesn't mean that it's not good. Please why don't put out a record if you could do better.

I think Your album would be on the left

eclem5 said:

There is a old American expression that goes: "You don't know shit from shinola"

I had the privildge to go to Montreux Jazz fest 2013 and talk to Prince fans from around the world. It was great to speak with people who were knowlegable about Prince music as well as all genres of music as well. One thing that was clear to me was that because Prince music encompasses many types many types of music everyone has their own favor Prince genre of Music. Europeans Loved the "Gold" Album while it the least favorite of most Americans. American love "Sign of the Times" while most Europeans found it over-rated.

Another thing I realize is that Europeans do not ALWAYS get what the songs are about because things can be lost in translation. A very smart guy I met from Europe who had listen to Prince since the 80's and was a super fan did not know "Tamborine" from Around the World in a Day was about masterbation.

"Marz" is a comentary about the African American situation in America that is very real to me and the lyrics are very timely especially with police brutality and current lack of employment opportunities that many people struggle with on a daily basis.

Massive gerneralisation. American's love 'Sign o the Times' while most Europeans find it over-rated? They all prefer 'Gold'? Maybe you talked to a few people who feel that way...

And people understand the lyrics. It's still not a great song.

thisisreece said:

And people understand the lyrics. It's still not a great song.

Thank you.

eclem5, I think we'd all appreciate if you could stick to metaphors.
Your graphical response, what is it for? should I wipe my ass with it?

We may both know as much about Prince's discography, and Montreux is not some kind of Mecca,

attending does not make you a better muslim.

So before you teach me about Shinola, you'd better be graduated in Stooges, New York Dolls, Televison, Patti Smith and so forth

before arguing with me. You're just putting a lot of efforts to defend a song that is average in its execution,
fake in its spirit, poorly composed, and just OK on delivery.

Now you can post all the poop pictures you want, but if we're here to discuss Prince's Music,

let's assume we're amongst educated people, who know their subject.

My picture was a pun, yours is just shit — sorry, "and shinola".
Thank you for educating me to some redneck expressions,
my culture was sure lacking some.

Oh, guess what, I already knew this one!

Since we're culturally exchanging, here's one for you :

Qui aime bien, châtie bien.


But it's European, french to be precise, so I don't know if we can overcome the difference between our civilizations that easily.

[Edited 1/29/15 14:45pm]

as i've said before, the whole plectrum thing is just a missed opportunity imo

when i first heard the slowed down let's go crazy, i had some hope for the new rock music he was about to write... it showed some potential.... i thought he was really gonna 'go there' and tear shit up

it just didn't happen

Graycap23 said:

MoBettaBliss said:

MIRvmn said:

MoBettaBliss said:

as i've said before, the whole plectrum thing is just a missed opportunity imo

when i first heard the slowed down let's go crazy, i had some hope for the new rock music he was about to write... it showed some potential.... i thought he was really gonna 'go there' and tear shit up

it just didn't happen

yes its a missed opportunity and I think a live album with 3EG would have been a bigger success, at least more appreciated among the fans. The album feels rushed, maybe cuz Prince lost interest as usual [Edited 1/30/15 2:40am]

Yes, i think PE contains some nice songs, but the album as a whole just doesn`t work...

He should left out songs like boytrouble, tictactoe and stopthistrain and include more rock songs...

plus maybe more live recorded stuff like she`s always in my hair or something in the water...

All in all, live the 3rdeyegirl stuff works better...

linus4000 said:

MIRvmn said:

MoBettaBliss said: yes its a missed opportunity and I think a live album with 3EG would have been a bigger success, at least more appreciated among the fans. The album feels rushed, maybe cuz Prince lost interest as usual [Edited 1/30/15 2:40am]

Yes, i think PE contains some nice songs, but the album as a whole just doesn`t work...

He should left out songs like boytrouble, tictactoe and stopthistrain and include more rock songs...

plus maybe more live recorded stuff like she`s always in my hair or something in the water...

All in all, live the 3rdeyegirl stuff works better...

Tictactoe is wonderful. I'm glad it's on there.

MoBettaBliss said:

as i've said before, the whole plectrum thing is just a missed opportunity imo

when i first heard the slowed down let's go crazy, i had some hope for the new rock music he was about to write... it showed some potential.... i thought he was really gonna 'go there' and tear shit up

it just didn't happen

Kind of have to agree. I mean, I like PlectrumElectrum. But it's far removed from Lets Go Crazy reloaded. That was just raw, crunchy and dirty. It's equally different to what they put up on soundcloud, Octopus Heart/Bambi etc.

PlectrumElectrum is more 60's pop/rock. It's not the definitive Prince Rock album. It seems Prince had to fight to get it released. It likely underwent different configurations. I could imagine WB didn't want a straight up rock album from "Prince", and wouldn't back 3EG without something for the pop charts.

Noodled24 said:

PlectrumElectrum is more 60's pop/rock. It's not the definitive Prince Rock album.

Chaos and Disorder is.
Or even better, The Undertaker.

bonatoc said:

Noodled24 said:

PlectrumElectrum is more 60's pop/rock. It's not the definitive Prince Rock album.

Chaos and Disorder is.
Or even better, The Undertaker.

Chaos and Disorder is not a consistent rock album. Prince albums are always a mixed bag of styles.

MoBettaBliss said:

as i've said before, the whole plectrum thing is just a missed opportunity imo

when i first heard the slowed down let's go crazy, i had some hope for the new rock music he was about to write... it showed some potential.... i thought he was really gonna 'go there' and tear shit up

it just didn't happen

This.

Imagine PlectrumElectrum in the vein of "Witness 4 The Prosecution".

bonatoc said:

Noodled24 said:

PlectrumElectrum is more 60's pop/rock. It's not the definitive Prince Rock album.

Chaos and Disorder is.
Or even better, The Undertaker.

I think C&D is by default. But only by default. (since The Undertaker doesn't count )

I don't think he has a definitive rock album. If someone said "let me hear Prince rock" - you'd make a compilation rather than point them to an album. Or at least, I would.

he's still playin with the girls...be happy

The song / video is on NPG Records. It is is distributed by Warner Bros Records. Warners had nothing to do with the make of the album. They just took cafe of distrubition and maybe manufacturing it.

That edit must have taken hour to complete!

i didnt realize marz had lyrics from midnight blues

I RILLY LIKE IT!

THAT VIDEO IS AWESOM!

I think there's a hole in my heart. Instead of lub dub lub dub there's a bunch of squishy noises. Like how earthworms probably sound crawling around in the dirt. Is that weird?

[Edited 2/15/15 21:20pm]

The "Mar"z video is a BRILLIANT montage, from a BRILLIANT artist, that never sells his soul 4 the masses...

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KCOOLMUZIQ said:

The "Marz video is a BRILLIANT montage

No it is not, it's awful, worst video + worst song ever...

The track is okay, hardly worth using as 'promotion'.

It's not about 'production values'. A punky track (well, as punky as Prince gets, which is not very) like this needs a simple, raw video, which is different from a cheap, half-assed one.

Anyway, it's hard to see that shitty video properly through all the tumbleweed.

Milty2 said:

thedance said:

Just like the rest of the Plectrum album: the song Marz sucks.. so noicy. Awful.

Wow and Anotherlove are the only 2 good songs there,

a very bad album, really.

I actually like Marz as a song but it just seems random to release a video since it's not going to be a single or even a chart contender. The video is ugly to look at too. The video is out of sync with the audio too. It just makes no sense.

Just get it together, Prince.

Wow is not a good song. Liv's version is great. Prince's version sounds like a demo version. Anotherlove is good. thats the only song I halfway like on that album and its funny because its a cover. His covers seem to be the best music from him now. Maybe he should follow Barry Manilow and Rod Stewart and just do cover albums now but not the easy listening covers like they do. We may actually get a good album if he were to do it.

trax said:

Milty2 said:

I actually like Marz as a song but it just seems random to release a video since it's not going to be a single or even a chart contender. The video is ugly to look at too. The video is out of sync with the audio too. It just makes no sense.

Just get it together, Prince.

Wow is not a good song. Liv's version is great. Prince's version sounds like a demo version. Anotherlove is good. thats the only song I halfway like on that album and its funny because its a cover. His covers seem to be the best music from him now. Maybe he should follow Barry Manilow and Rod Stewart and just do cover albums now but not the easy listening covers like they do. We may actually get a good album if he were to do it.

no he just needs to alienate EVEN more of these ..fans...

trax said:

Milty2 said:

I actually like Marz as a song but it just seems random to release a video since it's not going to be a single or even a chart contender. The video is ugly to look at too. The video is out of sync with the audio too. It just makes no sense.

Just get it together, Prince.

Wow is not a good song. Liv's version is great. Prince's version sounds like a demo version. Anotherlove is good. thats the only song I halfway like on that album and its funny because its a cover. His covers seem to be the best music from him now. Maybe he should follow Barry Manilow and Rod Stewart and just do cover albums now but not the easy listening covers like they do. We may actually get a good album if he were to do it.

Hell no, Another Love excepted, most of his covers have been horrible. At least those he's released on albums.

.

Marz isn't my favorite from PLEC but it's still pretty good.