All of what's in it ended up in the Vault book, of which PDF scans have leaked and are floating online, so don't cry my friend

Why for god's sake isn't that available as a PDF? been looking to buy it on Ebay for ages, that and the Uptown magazine CD with all the pdfs. Some fool just bought them on ebay for like $38 bucks. I guess I missed it. Didn't find it till it was too late. DAMN

The deal between Uptown and P's lawyers is that it would be a single print, paper or otherwise (they had to cut out a deal in order to be allowed to discuss unreleased material). The authors actually expressed their dissatisfaction at someone leaking it but like it or not it's out there alongside P's bootlegs

KingSausage said:

Damn. I would buy The Vault PDF in a second. Dammit. How does that book stack up against princevault.com?

It's more detailed overall. It covers different things also such as unofficially circulating material and a day to day biography.

databank said:

The deal between Uptown and P's lawyers is that it would be a single print, paper or otherwise (they had to cut out a deal in order to be allowed to discuss unreleased material).

Which is something that I still do not understand.

How is not completely legal to DISCUSS unreleased material? I have never heard of the law that makes it illegal to discuss circulating bootlegs or titles and desriptions of tracks not circulating but mentioned by those "in the know".

I suspect that it's not about legality, but rather about Prince being able to afford the legal fees of tying them up in court and them not being able to afford the fight or willing to go to the effort to fight such a frivolous claim. It seems to me they should have counter-sued for the "nuisance lawsuit" with no merit designed to bully them in to stopping a completely legal act.

djThunderfunk said:

databank said:

The deal between Uptown and P's lawyers is that it would be a single print, paper or otherwise (they had to cut out a deal in order to be allowed to discuss unreleased material).

Which is something that I still do not understand.

How is not completely legal to DISCUSS unreleased material? I have never heard of the law that makes it illegal to discuss circulating bootlegs or titles and desriptions of tracks not circulating but mentioned by those "in the know".

I suspect that it's not about legality, but rather about Prince being able to afford the legal fees of tying them up in court and them not being able to afford the fight or willing to go to the effort to fight such a frivolous claim. It seems to me they should have counter-sued for the "nuisance lawsuit" with no merit designed to bully them in to stopping a completely legal act.

That wasn't the deal. They couldn't list bootlegs by name with tracklists, which is what they were doing prior to the deal. They still discussed unreleased material in the Vault, which was quite some time after the deal.

The deal did not affect the publication of the Vault or why/how it's published or not published. Per Nelson said that he got very busy/bored and had no interest in continuing his research work. He also told me personally that he wouldn't put it out digitally because he felt that it would be unfair to all of the people who have paid exhorbitant prices for it on ebay.

Strange logic, but there you go.

Askani said:

djThunderfunk said:

Which is something that I still do not understand.

How is not completely legal to DISCUSS unreleased material? I have never heard of the law that makes it illegal to discuss circulating bootlegs or titles and desriptions of tracks not circulating but mentioned by those "in the know".

I suspect that it's not about legality, but rather about Prince being able to afford the legal fees of tying them up in court and them not being able to afford the fight or willing to go to the effort to fight such a frivolous claim. It seems to me they should have counter-sued for the "nuisance lawsuit" with no merit designed to bully them in to stopping a completely legal act.

That wasn't the deal. They couldn't list bootlegs by name with tracklists, which is what they were doing prior to the deal. They still discussed unreleased material in the Vault, which was quite some time after the deal.

The deal did not affect the publication of the Vault or why/how it's published or not published. Per Nelson said that he got very busy/bored and had no interest in continuing his research work. He also told me personally that he wouldn't put it out digitally because he felt that it would be unfair to all of the people who have paid exhorbitant prices for it on ebay.

Strange logic, but there you go.

That only slightly changes things...

But, I am also unaware of a law that prohibits discussing printed bootlegs, their tracklists or any other aspect of them. They exist, they can be discussed, they can be reviewed. In no way does this violate any law or any copyright.

Not wishing to re-open old discussions, but here I agree: I don't think debating bootlegs infringes copyright or any intellectual right. Creating bootlegs does, but once the boot exist, I can't see how discussing its contents can violate anything.

Askani said:

djThunderfunk said:

Which is something that I still do not understand.

How is not completely legal to DISCUSS unreleased material? I have never heard of the law that makes it illegal to discuss circulating bootlegs or titles and desriptions of tracks not circulating but mentioned by those "in the know".

I suspect that it's not about legality, but rather about Prince being able to afford the legal fees of tying them up in court and them not being able to afford the fight or willing to go to the effort to fight such a frivolous claim. It seems to me they should have counter-sued for the "nuisance lawsuit" with no merit designed to bully them in to stopping a completely legal act.

That wasn't the deal. They couldn't list bootlegs by name with tracklists, which is what they were doing prior to the deal. They still discussed unreleased material in the Vault, which was quite some time after the deal.

The deal did not affect the publication of the Vault or why/how it's published or not published. Per Nelson said that he got very busy/bored and had no interest in continuing his research work. He also told me personally that he wouldn't put it out digitally because he felt that it would be unfair to all of the people who have paid exhorbitant prices for it on ebay.

Strange logic, but there you go.

When the book leaked they came on this very forum and explained they were not allowed to reprint the book or release it digitally, I ain't making this up it comes from them

djThunderfunk said:

Askani said:

That wasn't the deal. They couldn't list bootlegs by name with tracklists, which is what they were doing prior to the deal. They still discussed unreleased material in the Vault, which was quite some time after the deal.

The deal did not affect the publication of the Vault or why/how it's published or not published. Per Nelson said that he got very busy/bored and had no interest in continuing his research work. He also told me personally that he wouldn't put it out digitally because he felt that it would be unfair to all of the people who have paid exhorbitant prices for it on ebay.

Strange logic, but there you go.

That only slightly changes things...

But, I am also unaware of a law that prohibits discussing printed bootlegs, their tracklists or any other aspect of them. They exist, they can be discussed, they can be reviewed. In no way does this violate any law or any copyright.

It doesn't. But that was part of their settlement, rather than really fighting it off. Which is wha everyone involved probably wanted to begin with.

databank said:

Askani said:

That wasn't the deal. They couldn't list bootlegs by name with tracklists, which is what they were doing prior to the deal. They still discussed unreleased material in the Vault, which was quite some time after the deal.

The deal did not affect the publication of the Vault or why/how it's published or not published. Per Nelson said that he got very busy/bored and had no interest in continuing his research work. He also told me personally that he wouldn't put it out digitally because he felt that it would be unfair to all of the people who have paid exhorbitant prices for it on ebay.

Strange logic, but there you go.

When the book leaked they came on this very forum and explained they were not allowed to reprint the book or release it digitally, I ain't making this up it comes from them

Link please?

Askani said:

databank said:

When the book leaked they came on this very forum and explained they were not allowed to reprint the book or release it digitally, I ain't making this up it comes from them

Link please?

From memory, sorry, but I'm sure with a bit of research u can find the thread, it was where the leak was announced and IIRC from 2012.

Obviously P's lawyers had no legal grounds to force such thing upon them but who wants to enter a costly legal battle against some of the US' most expensive and best trained lawyers? Same as The O7 and fDeluxe giving up on their old band names...

KingSausage said:

I used to have a copy of Per Nilsen's Days of Wild. It kicked ass for its time. But I lost it at some point. I believe it's somewhere in my parents' basement. I left it there when I moved out of state. Have you seen The Return of the King? My parents' basement is like that spider's lair. So that book is gone. No fucking way I'm going in that basement. How essential is this book anymore? Does it have much info that isn't on princevault.com? Forgive my typos. I hate typing on a Kindle Fire.

It's got good pics! That are not in The Vault from what I recall.

ufoclub said:

databank said:

Askani said:

databank said:

From memory, sorry, but I'm sure with a bit of research u can find the thread, it was where the leak was announced and IIRC from 2012.

Obviously P's lawyers had no legal grounds to force such thing upon them but who wants to enter a costly legal battle against some of the US' most expensive and best trained lawyers? Same as The O7 and fDeluxe giving up on their old band names...

I'm looking at posts by Per Nilsen. I see no such statement.

Is it the thread I'm referring to?

databank said:

Obviously P's lawyers had no legal grounds to force such thing upon them but who wants to enter a costly legal battle against some of the US' most expensive and best trained lawyers?

I would do it gladly.

I have enjoyed the sweet feeling of victory over the best and biggest paid lawyers in the whole world.

So yes, give me some of that please.

Embrace said:

databank said:

Obviously P's lawyers had no legal grounds to force such thing upon them but who wants to enter a costly legal battle against some of the US' most expensive and best trained lawyers?

I would do it gladly.

I have enjoyed the sweet feeling of victory over the best and biggest paid lawyers in the whole world.

So yes, give me some of that please.

U need 2 tell the story!

Well, it's easy to do it again anyway, just release a book or make a websight about P's bootlegs

databank said:

Askani said:

databank said:

Is it the thread I'm referring to?

I have no idea. You didn't name or provide a link to a thread. I was looking at all of his posts in various threads.

It's really not complicated, the thread was about announcing that the PDF had leaked. So either it's that one or it's not, there haven't been any other thread announcing the leak.

databank said:

Askani said:

databank said:

It's really not complicated, the thread was about announcing that the PDF had leaked. So either it's that one or it's not, there haven't been any other thread announcing the leak.

Yes, but I'm looking at all of Per Nilsen's post in his profile and he makes no comment on any thread like that. In fact, he only reiterates what He told me personally that I wrote above. [Edited 1/6/15 9:02am]

Profile page posts are not comprehensive, only the most recent posts r featured + I ain't even sure if he replied that one thread, I'm pretty sure ANOTHER Uptown member commented on the release, maybe Per did too, but I think not just him. Keep looking ^^

Anyway I ain't making that up: they said the book was by no means profitable so obviously reprints could have helped them at least getting some of their money back, and even without updates they'd keep selling copies up to this day, digital or otherwise, but I clearly remember that they had this deal with P's legal team that said no reprints could ever be done in any form whatsoever unless a new negociation would take place, and no such negociation did take place.

As for the reason they were (surprisingly) unhappy with the leak, it was out of respect for the people who spent money buying it in the first place.

So either I'm really going insane and my brain's inventing memories that don't exist, or you can take my word for it

databank said:

How essential is Per Nilsen's Days of Wild?

.

How essential is sliced bread?

KingSausage said:

databank said:

Profile page posts are not comprehensive, only the most recent posts r featured + I ain't even sure if he replied that one thread, I'm pretty sure ANOTHER Uptown member commented on the release, maybe Per did too, but I think not just him. Keep looking ^^

Anyway I ain't making that up: they said the book was by no means profitable so obviously reprints could have helped them at least getting some of their money back, and even without updates they'd keep selling copies up to this day, digital or otherwise, but I clearly remember that they had this deal with P's legal team that said no reprints could ever be done in any form whatsoever unless a new negociation would take place, and no such negociation did take place.

As for the reason they were (surprisingly) unhappy with the leak, it was out of respect for the people who spent money buying it in the first place.

So either I'm really going insane and my brain's inventing memories that don't exist, or you can take my word for it

I'll take your word for it. You're a font of knowledge!

Thx for the vote of confidence I've made mistakes out of somehow mixing up memories a few times when it came to Prince facts (the brain ain't a perfect machine) but on that one I'm pretty sure my memory ain't failing me + it's not that old a thread, goes back to a bit more than 2 years ago IIRC.

databank said: