sulls said:

Revolution81 said:

sulls said:

It's from the Eavesdropped In Intimate Moments boot called "The Making of 'So High'"

[Edited 11/16/14 20:29pm]

I love this boot. Piano versions of Purple Rain. 17 Days, Strange Relationship and Prince doing a fat line at the beginning of International Lover. Awesome

Okay, wait a minute...

I think I have this on vinyl as Intimate Moments (no eavesdropped in title).

djThunderfunk said:

Revolution81 said:

sulls said: I love this boot. Piano versions of Purple Rain. 17 Days, Strange Relationship and Prince doing a fat line at the beginning of International Lover. Awesome

Okay, wait a minute...

I think I have this on vinyl as Intimate Moments (no eavesdropped in title).

I think when I had it on vinyl there was no Eavesdropped. I don't remember any "fat lines" being done, though--must be greater clarity on CD.

is this all better quality than the stuff on Purple Rush Volume 2? Which I think was the highest quality previously available?

[Edited 11/17/14 12:34pm]

Picked this up YEARS even decades ago. This CD is titled "Eavesdropped in intimate moments.


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LEATHRSAIL said:

I think you have to take account The Black Album & Lovesexy albums. They had to have been done with some planning on Prince's part. When you look at how the albums were released, the cover art, the hidden message on the Alphabet Street video. That message got heavy air play on MTV. Remember: I'm Sorry, Please don't buy The Black Album. This was an invitation to go look for this lost album. Not to long after this was on MTV a friend of mine got a copy of this. We went looking for this album. It was another way of Prince to get his music out without the consent of Warner Bros. At the time he wanted to put out more music than Warner Bros was willing to put out. The Black Album artwork even looked like a bootleg. No name, no art. Just black on black with peach lettering. Camille was his alter ego, the dark side. The Black Album, put out in the black market. Prince was the other side, the light side. Lovesexy.... Even the concert tour was set up under the two sides. Dark and then light. He even played songs from The Black Album on the dark side of the concert. You will never convince me that The Black Album wasn't an intentional bootleg. Never! Other bootlegs, yes I can see him not wanting them out. But not the Black Album. So if you could consider that Prince put The Black Album out as a bootleg. Who is to say he would have wanted to do that with other material? People on this thread said that after 1995 the fresh bootleg material dried up. Consider that he didn't need the "black market" to get around Warner Bros. Who is to say that he didn't give people tapes knowing they would end up being bootlegged. AAAHHH well... what about all of the lawsuits? Those came after his contract with Warner Bros was up and he didn't need the black market to get his music out. Just my thoughts....

Unless Sheila E. made some new revelations in her book (haven't read it yet but reviews says she addresses TBA) there is so far no factual data to support the theory that the TBA "fiasco" was planned by Prince as a marketing ploy, nor that the whole thing was anything else but the spiritual/ecstasy trip it was reported to be by several sources. Please stop spreading lies.

terrig said:

LEATHRSAIL said:

I think you have to take account The Black Album & Lovesexy albums. They had to have been done with some planning on Prince's part. When you look at how the albums were released, the cover art, the hidden message on the Alphabet Street video. That message got heavy air play on MTV. Remember: I'm Sorry, Please don't buy The Black Album. This was an invitation to go look for this lost album. Not to long after this was on MTV a friend of mine got a copy of this. We went looking for this album. It was another way of Prince to get his music out without the consent of Warner Bros. At the time he wanted to put out more music than Warner Bros was willing to put out. The Black Album artwork even looked like a bootleg. No name, no art. Just black on black with peach lettering. Camille was his alter ego, the dark side. The Black Album, put out in the black market. Prince was the other side, the light side. Lovesexy.... Even the concert tour was set up under the two sides. Dark and then light. He even played songs from The Black Album on the dark side of the concert. You will never convince me that The Black Album wasn't an intentional bootleg. Never! Other bootlegs, yes I can see him not wanting them out. But not the Black Album. So if you could consider that Prince put The Black Album out as a bootleg. Who is to say he would have wanted to do that with other material? People on this thread said that after 1995 the fresh bootleg material dried up. Consider that he didn't need the "black market" to get around Warner Bros. Who is to say that he didn't give people tapes knowing they would end up being bootlegged. AAAHHH well... what about all of the lawsuits? Those came after his contract with Warner Bros was up and he didn't need the black market to get his music out. Just my thoughts....

I always felt the black album was a covert release to subvert WB ...i've never been able to fully explain why i felt that way tho!

See above.

databank said:

LEATHRSAIL said:

I think you have to take account The Black Album & Lovesexy albums. They had to have been done with some planning on Prince's part. When you look at how the albums were released, the cover art, the hidden message on the Alphabet Street video. That message got heavy air play on MTV. Remember: I'm Sorry, Please don't buy The Black Album. This was an invitation to go look for this lost album. Not to long after this was on MTV a friend of mine got a copy of this. We went looking for this album. It was another way of Prince to get his music out without the consent of Warner Bros. At the time he wanted to put out more music than Warner Bros was willing to put out. The Black Album artwork even looked like a bootleg. No name, no art. Just black on black with peach lettering. Camille was his alter ego, the dark side. The Black Album, put out in the black market. Prince was the other side, the light side. Lovesexy.... Even the concert tour was set up under the two sides. Dark and then light. He even played songs from The Black Album on the dark side of the concert. You will never convince me that The Black Album wasn't an intentional bootleg. Never! Other bootlegs, yes I can see him not wanting them out. But not the Black Album. So if you could consider that Prince put The Black Album out as a bootleg. Who is to say he would have wanted to do that with other material? People on this thread said that after 1995 the fresh bootleg material dried up. Consider that he didn't need the "black market" to get around Warner Bros. Who is to say that he didn't give people tapes knowing they would end up being bootlegged. AAAHHH well... what about all of the lawsuits? Those came after his contract with Warner Bros was up and he didn't need the black market to get his music out. Just my thoughts....

Unless Sheila E. made some new revelations in her book (haven't read it yet but reviews says she addresses TBA) there is so far no factual data to support the theory that the TBA "fiasco" was planned by Prince as a marketing ploy, nor that the whole thing was anything else but the spiritual/ecstasy trip it was reported to be by several sources. Please stop spreading lies.

I would not argue that Prince planned the whole Black Album thing out in advance. But, I am convinced that he took full advantage of the situation and enjoyed the dual position of a pop star with an underground "hit".

And for a bootleg, it was indeed a hit. I've never seen as many mainstream reviews for a bootleg of an unreleased album as happened with TBA.

I would also argue that by the time he sold the tape with several Gold Experience tracks to a radio station (in Europe?) he was well aware that the tracks would become fodder for bootleggers and tape traders.

I don't believe he is leaking his own bootlegs. I do believe he has long been aware of the bootleg market and has taken advantage of it from time to time.

Not taking sides here, just my

djThunderfunk said:

databank said:

Unless Sheila E. made some new revelations in her book (haven't read it yet but reviews says she addresses TBA) there is so far no factual data to support the theory that the TBA "fiasco" was planned by Prince as a marketing ploy, nor that the whole thing was anything else but the spiritual/ecstasy trip it was reported to be by several sources. Please stop spreading lies.

I would not argue that Prince planned the whole Black Album thing out in advance. But, I am convinced that he took full advantage of the situation and enjoyed the dual position of a pop star with an underground "hit".

And for a bootleg, it was indeed a hit. I've never seen as many mainstream reviews for a bootleg of an unreleased album as happened with TBA.

I would also argue that by the time he sold the tape with several Gold Experience tracks to a radio station (in Europe?) he was well aware that the tracks would become fodder for bootleggers and tape traders.

I don't believe he is leaking his own bootlegs. I do believe he has long been aware of the bootleg market and has taken advantage of it from time to time.

Not taking sides here, just my

I totally agree with everything u say, but it's a totally different matter: sending promo tapes to radio channels or givin tapes to friends knowing that it'd be bootlegged eventually is NOT the same as selling tapes to booltleg labels or leaking unreleased tracks online incognito as suggested by some. Similarly sent videos to that Shelbey girl in 2009 and anyway he has to be aware of the fact that everything he offers in streaming-only will be bootleged later, as well as were every promo 7'' he'd sent to the radios in the 80's, but it's got nuffin to do with leakin' or bootlegging the stuff himself ^^

.

Anyway in the case on the past few leaks some people know who did it so it's definitely not .

so basically he can never actually be tied to the leaks...

LEATHRSAIL said:

I think you have to take account The Black Album & Lovesexy albums. They had to have been done with some planning on Prince's part. When you look at how the albums were released, the cover art, the hidden message on the Alphabet Street video. That message got heavy air play on MTV. Remember: I'm Sorry, Please don't buy The Black Album. This was an invitation to go look for this lost album. Not to long after this was on MTV a friend of mine got a copy of this. We went looking for this album. It was another way of Prince to get his music out without the consent of Warner Bros. At the time he wanted to put out more music than Warner Bros was willing to put out. The Black Album artwork even looked like a bootleg. No name, no art. Just black on black with peach lettering. Camille was his alter ego, the dark side. The Black Album, put out in the black market. Prince was the other side, the light side. Lovesexy.... Even the concert tour was set up under the two sides. Dark and then light. He even played songs from The Black Album on the dark side of the concert. You will never convince me that The Black Album wasn't an intentional bootleg. Never! Other bootlegs, yes I can see him not wanting them out. But not the Black Album. So if you could consider that Prince put The Black Album out as a bootleg. Who is to say he would have wanted to do that with other material? People on this thread said that after 1995 the fresh bootleg material dried up. Consider that he didn't need the "black market" to get around Warner Bros. Who is to say that he didn't give people tapes knowing they would end up being bootlegged. AAAHHH well... what about all of the lawsuits? Those came after his contract with Warner Bros was up and he didn't need the black market to get his music out. Just my thoughts....

I've always felt this too, the fact that he played 2 songs from it the following year makes me think it.

databank said:

LEATHRSAIL said:

I think you have to take account The Black Album & Lovesexy albums. They had to have been done with some planning on Prince's part. When you look at how the albums were released, the cover art, the hidden message on the Alphabet Street video. That message got heavy air play on MTV. Remember: I'm Sorry, Please don't buy The Black Album. This was an invitation to go look for this lost album. Not to long after this was on MTV a friend of mine got a copy of this. We went looking for this album. It was another way of Prince to get his music out without the consent of Warner Bros. At the time he wanted to put out more music than Warner Bros was willing to put out. The Black Album artwork even looked like a bootleg. No name, no art. Just black on black with peach lettering. Camille was his alter ego, the dark side. The Black Album, put out in the black market. Prince was the other side, the light side. Lovesexy.... Even the concert tour was set up under the two sides. Dark and then light. He even played songs from The Black Album on the dark side of the concert. You will never convince me that The Black Album wasn't an intentional bootleg. Never! Other bootlegs, yes I can see him not wanting them out. But not the Black Album. So if you could consider that Prince put The Black Album out as a bootleg. Who is to say he would have wanted to do that with other material? People on this thread said that after 1995 the fresh bootleg material dried up. Consider that he didn't need the "black market" to get around Warner Bros. Who is to say that he didn't give people tapes knowing they would end up being bootlegged. AAAHHH well... what about all of the lawsuits? Those came after his contract with Warner Bros was up and he didn't need the black market to get his music out. Just my thoughts....

Unless Sheila E. made some new revelations in her book (haven't read it yet but reviews says she addresses TBA) there is so far no factual data to support the theory that the TBA "fiasco" was planned by Prince as a marketing ploy, nor that the whole thing was anything else but the spiritual/ecstasy trip it was reported to be by several sources. Please stop spreading lies.

Sadly Sheila didn't reveal much about a lot of the background stuff I wanted to know. I wish she would have talked more about the music, background events, what happened after Lovesexy etc

databank said:

I totally agree with everything u say, but it's a totally different matter: sending promo tapes to radio channels or givin tapes to friends knowing that it'd be bootlegged eventually is NOT the same as selling tapes to booltleg labels or leaking unreleased tracks online incognito as suggested by some. Similarly sent videos to that Shelbey girl in 2009 and anyway he has to be aware of the fact that everything he offers in streaming-only will be bootleged later, as well as were every promo 7'' he'd sent to the radios in the 80's, but it's got nuffin to do with leakin' or bootlegging the stuff himself ^^

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Anyway in the case on the past few leaks some people know who did it so it's definitely not .

Agreed on all points!

KingSausage said:

Oh, it's THAT boot? Shit. I've owned it for 15+ years and never really listened to it. I guess I should.

Guilty as well...where do I find time to listen?

Well it looks like I missed out on a lot of these leaks thanks to net access for over a week

databank said:

LEATHRSAIL said:

I think you have to take account The Black Album & Lovesexy albums. They had to have been done with some planning on Prince's part. When you look at how the albums were released, the cover art, the hidden message on the Alphabet Street video. That message got heavy air play on MTV. Remember: I'm Sorry, Please don't buy The Black Album. This was an invitation to go look for this lost album. Not to long after this was on MTV a friend of mine got a copy of this. We went looking for this album. It was another way of Prince to get his music out without the consent of Warner Bros. At the time he wanted to put out more music than Warner Bros was willing to put out. The Black Album artwork even looked like a bootleg. No name, no art. Just black on black with peach lettering. Camille was his alter ego, the dark side. The Black Album, put out in the black market. Prince was the other side, the light side. Lovesexy.... Even the concert tour was set up under the two sides. Dark and then light. He even played songs from The Black Album on the dark side of the concert. You will never convince me that The Black Album wasn't an intentional bootleg. Never! Other bootlegs, yes I can see him not wanting them out. But not the Black Album. So if you could consider that Prince put The Black Album out as a bootleg. Who is to say he would have wanted to do that with other material? People on this thread said that after 1995 the fresh bootleg material dried up. Consider that he didn't need the "black market" to get around Warner Bros. Who is to say that he didn't give people tapes knowing they would end up being bootlegged. AAAHHH well... what about all of the lawsuits? Those came after his contract with Warner Bros was up and he didn't need the black market to get his music out. Just my thoughts....

Unless Sheila E. made some new revelations in her book (haven't read it yet but reviews says she addresses TBA) there is so far no factual data to support the theory that the TBA "fiasco" was planned by Prince as a marketing ploy, nor that the whole thing was anything else but the spiritual/ecstasy trip it was reported to be by several sources. Please stop spreading lies.

This is not a lie!!!! This is my own personal experience of what my friends I found back in 1988. The Lovesexy album came out. Then the video for Alphabet Street came out. When it hit the street so did the "hidden message" in plain sight was brought to our attention by being reported every hour on the hour on MTV. The Black Album? what is this Back Album? where do we find this? Suddenly a friend of a friend had a copy. My friend Patty got a copy and made me a copy. Who knows where that friend of a friend got their copy. The video said not to buy it. We didn't. We were sharing it. The first copy we got sounded fast. We questioned if this was at the right speed. So that friend of a friend had another copy that was slowed down. But When 2 R In Love didn't sound right. I think When 2 R In Love was on both albums so the listener would know what speed to play the album at. Because thats how we figured out the right speed was. This video message also let me know that other recordings that were not published existed. I had no idea about bootlegs before this whole Black Album business. I then found a local record store that was not a chain that had all of these prince albums with names of songs I had never heard of. We were over the moon to hear We Can Funk, Joy In Repetiton, Can't Stop This Feeling I Got, Databank, All Day All Night, The Dance Electric, Crystal Ball, The Rebirth Of Flesh..... And more... it was a 4 vinyl set of all the Dream Factory / Crystal Ball outtakes. The music that has been reported several times over that Prince wanted to put out that Warner Bros didn't want to publish. Funny I found a copy of it anyway in spite of Warner Bros. At the Lovesexy concert.... The guy next to Patty wanted to know how she knew the words to these songs from The Black Album. So she filled him in on what the songs were from and how she found out about them. He gave her his address and gave her a few $$ to buy a tape and to pay for the postage to send him a copy. If Prince didn't play the songs at the concert the guy next to Patty wouldn't have known to ask about the songs. He even got a copy because of it. In all my years of going to concerts. They tour to promote the albums. If Prince didn't want to promote The Black Album, then why for the love of god would he have played the songs at the concert? Because he wanted us to hear the music. In the years I have been on this earth, if someone was sorry about something they have done, they don't tour the globe singing what they are so sorry about. <eye roll>

Now... Sheila E. was no different than any of the other people who have worked with him. They ALL have talked about working on music and not knowing what will be done with it. Nothing saying this wasn't the same case. So your reasoning has no weight.

Now my factual data on this? If Prince himself didn't tell me about this album, I would have never known about it at all. The leak was Prince himself. Actions speak louder than YOUR theory.

LEATHRSAIL said:

databank said:

Unless Sheila E. made some new revelations in her book (haven't read it yet but reviews says she addresses TBA) there is so far no factual data to support the theory that the TBA "fiasco" was planned by Prince as a marketing ploy, nor that the whole thing was anything else but the spiritual/ecstasy trip it was reported to be by several sources. Please stop spreading lies.

This is not a lie!!!! This is my own personal experience of what my friends I found back in 1988. The Lovesexy album came out. Then the video for Alphabet Street came out. When it hit the street so did the "hidden message" in plain sight was brought to our attention by being reported every hour on the hour on MTV. The Black Album? what is this Back Album? where do we find this? Suddenly a friend of a friend had a copy. My friend Patty got a copy and made me a copy. Who knows where that friend of a friend got their copy. The video said not to buy it. We didn't. We were sharing it. The first copy we got sounded fast. We questioned if this was at the right speed. So that friend of a friend had another copy that was slowed down. But When 2 R In Love didn't sound right. I think When 2 R In Love was on both albums so the listener would know what speed to play the album at. Because thats how we figured out the right speed was. This video message also let me know that other recordings that were not published existed. I had no idea about bootlegs before this whole Black Album business. I then found a local record store that was not a chain that had all of these prince albums with names of songs I had never heard of. We were over the moon to hear We Can Funk, Joy In Repetiton, Can't Stop This Feeling I Got, Databank, All Day All Night, The Dance Electric, Crystal Ball, The Rebirth Of Flesh..... And more... it was a 4 vinyl set of all the Dream Factory / Crystal Ball outtakes. The music that has been reported several times over that Prince wanted to put out that Warner Bros didn't want to publish. Funny I found a copy of it anyway in spite of Warner Bros. At the Lovesexy concert.... The guy next to Patty wanted to know how she knew the words to these songs from The Black Album. So she filled him in on what the songs were from and how she found out about them. He gave her his address and gave her a few $$ to buy a tape and to pay for the postage to send him a copy. If Prince didn't play the songs at the concert the guy next to Patty wouldn't have known to ask about the songs. He even got a copy because of it. In all my years of going to concerts. They tour to promote the albums. If Prince didn't want to promote The Black Album, then why for the love of god would he have played the songs at the concert? Because he wanted us to hear the music. In the years I have been on this earth, if someone was sorry about something they have done, they don't tour the globe singing what they are so sorry about. <eye roll>

Now... Sheila E. was no different than any of the other people who have worked with him. They ALL have talked about working on music and not knowing what will be done with it. Nothing saying this wasn't the same case. So your reasoning has no weight.

Now my factual data on this? If Prince himself didn't tell me about this album, I would have never known about it at all. The leak was Prince himself. Actions speak louder than YOUR theory.

I see where u're coming from and I sincerely enjoyed reading your past experiences but before anything else let's make things clear: I don't have "a theory". There is a story about the chain of events that led to the conception then cancelation of TBA, that's been told and corroborated by every person involved and past associate ever asked about it. This isn't a "theory": unless further research one day reveals a different side to this story, it's History. I am extremely irritated by the habit people have (not just here and not just about Prince) to claim that historical research is "theory": unless new, verified and sourced facts emerge that contradict a cohesive corpus of data that come from a certain amount of sources that reveal a cohesive treatment of how things happened, whatever is revealed by biographers, researchers and historians have to be considered factual. Whoever has doubts and wishes to challenge established History has to be willing and able to do more proper research in order to find solid elements that corroborate their ideas and contradict the established version of how things happen, or they do nothing but confusing minds and distorting historical data for nothing. It's called conspirationism and it's one of the major intellectual challenge of our times, given how the internet drive people insane with fairy tales.

.

Now I see your point about Prince USING this TBA situation to create some hype, I have never denied the fact that he probably did so and your experiences are, honestly, very interesting when it comes to how the public got to know about TBA at the time (even though there were also numerous articles and some radio airplay that didn't depend on Prince). Was the message in Alphabet St. sincere or a way to "promote" the bootleg? We don't know (yet). As for the live show it kinda made sense, Lovesexy being the "holy" side of the "evil" Black Album and the tour being all about that religious redemption thing. It's been said numerous times that TBA and Lovesexy could have been the 2 sides of a double album and it would have worked perfectly, the tour reflected that in spirit, hence IMHO the 2 TBA songs (it could have been more but it was only 2). But it MAY indeed also have been a way to promote the bootleg, we don't know (yet) either.

.

There is however a gap between:

- admitting that Prince certainly took advantage of the TBA situation for the purpose of creating a hype by having such a sulfurous unreleased but circulating album, which is something the facts tend to show but haven't been corroborated nor denied by any of his past associates

and

- claiming as some did -not necessarly you but some- that Prince had planned the whole thing from the beginning, duped WB by making them print an album for nothing, invented a religious excuse to cancel it at the last minute and made sure a few copies leaked in order to use it as a marketing ploy

.

Facts (and not theories) tell us that Prince DID want to release this album, DID cancel it for spiritual reasons and DID NOT organize its leak in any way whatsoever. Facts also tell us that he did not "ignore" the cancelled album hoping it'd be forgotten but indeed, as you point out, made several allusions to it during the following months. What his intentions were by doing so, no one knows.

databank said:

LEATHRSAIL said:

This is not a lie!!!! This is my own personal experience of what my friends I found back in 1988. The Lovesexy album came out. Then the video for Alphabet Street came out. When it hit the street so did the "hidden message" in plain sight was brought to our attention by being reported every hour on the hour on MTV. The Black Album? what is this Back Album? where do we find this? Suddenly a friend of a friend had a copy. My friend Patty got a copy and made me a copy. Who knows where that friend of a friend got their copy. The video said not to buy it. We didn't. We were sharing it. The first copy we got sounded fast. We questioned if this was at the right speed. So that friend of a friend had another copy that was slowed down. But When 2 R In Love didn't sound right. I think When 2 R In Love was on both albums so the listener would know what speed to play the album at. Because thats how we figured out the right speed was. This video message also let me know that other recordings that were not published existed. I had no idea about bootlegs before this whole Black Album business. I then found a local record store that was not a chain that had all of these prince albums with names of songs I had never heard of. We were over the moon to hear We Can Funk, Joy In Repetition, Can't Stop This Feeling I Got, Databank, All Day All Night, The Dance Electric, Crystal Ball, The Rebirth Of Flesh..... And more... it was a 4 vinyl set of all the Dream Factory / Crystal Ball outtakes. The music that has been reported several times over that Prince wanted to put out that Warner Bros didn't want to publish. Funny I found a copy of it anyway in spite of Warner Bros. At the Lovesexy concert.... The guy next to Patty wanted to know how she knew the words to these songs from The Black Album. So she filled him in on what the songs were from and how she found out about them. He gave her his address and gave her a few $$ to buy a tape and to pay for the postage to send him a copy. If Prince didn't play the songs at the concert the guy next to Patty wouldn't have known to ask about the songs. He even got a copy because of it. In all my years of going to concerts. They tour to promote the albums. If Prince didn't want to promote The Black Album, then why for the love of god would he have played the songs at the concert? Because he wanted us to hear the music. In the years I have been on this earth, if someone was sorry about something they have done, they don't tour the globe singing what they are so sorry about. <eye roll>

Now... Sheila E. was no different than any of the other people who have worked with him. They ALL have talked about working on music and not knowing what will be done with it. Nothing saying this wasn't the same case. So your reasoning has no weight.

Now my factual data on this? If Prince himself didn't tell me about this album, I would have never known about it at all. The leak was Prince himself. Actions speak louder than YOUR theory.

I see where u're coming from and I sincerely enjoyed reading your past experiences but before anything else let's make things clear: I don't have "a theory". There is a story about the chain of events that led to the conception then cancellation of TBA, that's been told and corroborated by every person involved and past associate ever asked about it. This isn't a "theory": unless further research one day reveals a different side to this story, it's History. I am extremely irritated by the habit people have (not just here and not just about Prince) to claim that historical research is "theory": unless new, verified and sourced facts emerge that contradict a cohesive corpus of data that come from a certain amount of sources that reveal a cohesive treatment of how things happened, whatever is revealed by biographers, researchers and historians have to be considered factual. Whoever has doubts and wishes to challenge established History has to be willing and able to do more proper research in order to find solid elements that corroborate their ideas and contradict the established version of how things happen, or they do nothing but confusing minds and distorting historical data for nothing. It's called conspirationism and it's one of the major intellectual challenge of our times, given how the internet drive people insane with fairy tales.

.

Now I see your point about Prince USING this TBA situation to create some hype, I have never denied the fact that he probably did so and your experiences are, honestly, very interesting when it comes to how the public got to know about TBA at the time (even though there were also numerous articles and some radio airplay that didn't depend on Prince). Was the message in Alphabet St. sincere or a way to "promote" the bootleg? We don't know (yet). As for the live show it kinda made sense, Lovesexy being the "holy" side of the "evil" Black Album and the tour being all about that religious redemption thing. It's been said numerous times that TBA and Lovesexy could have been the 2 sides of a double album and it would have worked perfectly, the tour reflected that in spirit, hence IMHO the 2 TBA songs (it could have been more but it was only 2). But it MAY indeed also have been a way to promote the bootleg, we don't know (yet) either.

.

There is however a gap between:

- admitting that Prince certainly took advantage of the TBA situation for the purpose of creating a hype by having such a sulfurous unreleased but circulating album, which is something the facts tend to show but haven't been corroborated nor denied by any of his past associates

and

- claiming as some did -not necessarily you but some- that Prince had planned the whole thing from the beginning, duped WB by making them print an album for nothing, invented a religious excuse to cancel it at the last minute and made sure a few copies leaked in order to use it as a marketing ploy

.

Facts (and not theories) tell us that Prince DID want to release this album, DID cancel it for spiritual reasons and DID NOT organize its leak in any way whatsoever. Facts also tell us that he did not "ignore" the cancelled album hoping it'd be forgotten but indeed, as you point out, made several allusions to it during the following months. What his intentions were by doing so, no one knows.

The facts:

Alphabet Street "secret message" that ran on MTV talking about The Black Album.

The review in Rolling Stone of Lovesexy talked about The Black Album. it also described what the album was like.

The opening line of The Black Album. "So you found me, good I'm glad". I didn't know he was lost..... No he wasn't, but he wanted us to find The Black Album. this is how we took this back in 1988 as his saying he was happy we looked and found this. It was the opening line to the album.

At the concert he played songs from The Black Album.

The concert program book outlined both Lovesexy & The Black Album. One being dark (The Black Album) and the light (Lovesexy). It talked descriptively about each of the songs on The Black Album. All the pages in the book that were about The Black Album were a solid black background with peach lettering. All the Lovesexy parts were on a white background with purple/blue lettering. My book is packed away in the back of the closet with my other Prince things. But if you have a copy of it. Read it. It marries the two albums together.

You said he "DID NOT organize its leak in any way". Well.... What is a leak? When someone leaks information, its known as someone talking about the information (to the press normally). All of the information I listed above came from Prince. it all seems organized to me. Didn't copies go to the reviewers before the album was scraped? They are the press, and they love a good story. It sells and that is the business they are in. I remember the VJ's on MTV when they were talking about the "secret message" in the video. It had a very "wink, wink, nudge, nudge" feel to it. HEY! secret message over here. I am sure that the Prince camp told them about the message in the video.

To me this is like saying.... HEY OVER HERE!!!! DON"T LOOK AT THIS OVER HERE!!!! NOTHING TO SEE OVER HERE. If someone came into a room with a bag, put it on the table and said to you. There is noting in this bag that you want. So don't look in this bag. You have to promise NOT to look in this bag, over here. This one, here on the table. DON'T look inside. Whatever you do, DON'T LOOK!!!! that's what it was like back in 1988. Ya had to look! Everything points to him wanting us to find this album. That was how we read the messages and clues Prince left for us to find. it was like a scavenger hunt.

Now the issue of people around him not talking about The Black Album and confirming that he did this intentionally. Prince doesn't like anyone talking about anything about him at all. Wendy & Lisa say they get letters in the mail from his lawyer if they say things in the slightest way. So am I shocked nobody came forward saying this is what he did. No. I don't take what people say who have worked with Prince as truth. I think what they say is clouded by fear of a lawsuit. So you maybe getting half the story if you are getting the truth at all. Prince even has the people that buy his music running in fear of his lawyer. If he was to admit that he intentionally did what he did to create this "underground album". He could find himself in court for fraud. I think the time has run out that a lawsuit could be filed. Plus the fact the album ended up being released anyway. But for him to admit he did this at this point, would hurt him having companies working with him if he has a history of playing expensive games. (I have always thought of boxes and boxes Black Albums being destroyed.... and who paid for this?) Because that is how it would be view. On top of this, it would ruin the story. Its like Carly Simon's "You're So Vain" song. She is not going to tell what the song is about. It thrills her that people toil over who the song is about. But I think that the only person who would know if this was intentional is Prince. I'm sure Prince got a thrill out of this too.

But in the case of The Black Album..... If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, and swims like a duck. Guess what? It's a duck.... I know a duck when I see one. The Black Album is one big stinking duck. The only thing missing in this puzzle is admittance from Prince. That is all that's missing. I don't need Prince or anyone else to tell me that The Black Album is a duck. I think it was a really cool and different way being creative. It really worked to create a buzz and a concept album and message. At the time, it was frustrating and fun all at the same time. But to me.... This will ALWAYS be an intentional underground album. Period!

I will never forget the look on that guys face at the concert. How do you know this song? He was beside himself.... it was too funny.

Prince is the source of most studio bootlegs that are out there. He may not have intended them to end up where they do, but he was the one that handed copies out. Im sure a studio engineer or two may also have sneaked a copy out occasionally, but mainly it is Prince handing out copies, some of which end up being bootlegged. I doubt Prince is deliberately releasing anything as a bootleg though, but he was very casual about handing tapes out back in the day. These days, not so much.

LEATHRSAIL said:

databank said:

I see where u're coming from and I sincerely enjoyed reading your past experiences but before anything else let's make things clear: I don't have "a theory". There is a story about the chain of events that led to the conception then cancellation of TBA, that's been told and corroborated by every person involved and past associate ever asked about it. This isn't a "theory": unless further research one day reveals a different side to this story, it's History. I am extremely irritated by the habit people have (not just here and not just about Prince) to claim that historical research is "theory": unless new, verified and sourced facts emerge that contradict a cohesive corpus of data that come from a certain amount of sources that reveal a cohesive treatment of how things happened, whatever is revealed by biographers, researchers and historians have to be considered factual. Whoever has doubts and wishes to challenge established History has to be willing and able to do more proper research in order to find solid elements that corroborate their ideas and contradict the established version of how things happen, or they do nothing but confusing minds and distorting historical data for nothing. It's called conspirationism and it's one of the major intellectual challenge of our times, given how the internet drive people insane with fairy tales.

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Now I see your point about Prince USING this TBA situation to create some hype, I have never denied the fact that he probably did so and your experiences are, honestly, very interesting when it comes to how the public got to know about TBA at the time (even though there were also numerous articles and some radio airplay that didn't depend on Prince). Was the message in Alphabet St. sincere or a way to "promote" the bootleg? We don't know (yet). As for the live show it kinda made sense, Lovesexy being the "holy" side of the "evil" Black Album and the tour being all about that religious redemption thing. It's been said numerous times that TBA and Lovesexy could have been the 2 sides of a double album and it would have worked perfectly, the tour reflected that in spirit, hence IMHO the 2 TBA songs (it could have been more but it was only 2). But it MAY indeed also have been a way to promote the bootleg, we don't know (yet) either.

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There is however a gap between:

- admitting that Prince certainly took advantage of the TBA situation for the purpose of creating a hype by having such a sulfurous unreleased but circulating album, which is something the facts tend to show but haven't been corroborated nor denied by any of his past associates

and

- claiming as some did -not necessarily you but some- that Prince had planned the whole thing from the beginning, duped WB by making them print an album for nothing, invented a religious excuse to cancel it at the last minute and made sure a few copies leaked in order to use it as a marketing ploy

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Facts (and not theories) tell us that Prince DID want to release this album, DID cancel it for spiritual reasons and DID NOT organize its leak in any way whatsoever. Facts also tell us that he did not "ignore" the cancelled album hoping it'd be forgotten but indeed, as you point out, made several allusions to it during the following months. What his intentions were by doing so, no one knows.

The facts:

Alphabet Street "secret message" that ran on MTV talking about The Black Album. Yes.

The review in Rolling Stone of Lovesexy talked about The Black Album. it also described what the album was like. Not Prince's doing.

The opening line of The Black Album. "So you found me, good I'm glad". I didn't know he was lost..... No he wasn't, but he wanted us to find The Black Album. this is how we took this back in 1988 as his saying he was happy we looked and found this. It was the opening line to the album. The album was not credited to "Prince", it was in fact not credited at all, so technically fans were expected to "find" it hence the opening line, there's no more to it than that.

At the concert he played songs from The Black Album. Yes.

The concert program book outlined both Lovesexy & The Black Album. One being dark (The Black Album) and the light (Lovesexy). It talked descriptively about each of the songs on The Black Album. All the pages in the book that were about The Black Album were a solid black background with peach lettering. All the Lovesexy parts were on a white background with purple/blue lettering. My book is packed away in the back of the closet with my other Prince things. But if you have a copy of it. Read it. It marries the two albums together. I do have it, you are correct.

You said he "DID NOT organize its leak in any way". Well.... What is a leak? When someone leaks information, its known as someone talking about the information (to the press normally). All of the information I listed above came from Prince. it all seems organized to me. Didn't copies go to the reviewers before the album was scraped? They are the press, and they love a good story. It sells and that is the business they are in. I remember the VJ's on MTV when they were talking about the "secret message" in the video. It had a very "wink, wink, nudge, nudge" feel to it. HEY! secret message over here. I am sure that the Prince camp told them about the message in the video. I was talking about leaking the record, not information. Prince didn't leak the record and I don't remember any copy having been sent to the press (I may be wrong though -someone correct me if I am- but I don't remember ever reading about a "promo" copy of it being in circulation and even if promo copies had been sent before cancellation was decided it then doesn't prove anything at all, it would only if sent after cancellation and no such thing happened). The leaked copies were stolen by WB employees then sold and duplicated. Prince wasn't behind the Rolling Stone review nor any other review or radio broadcast of the album. This being said you are correct about the music video, tour program, tour setlist, and he even played Cindy C. once on his 1989 NPG Radio Show. I don't know why you are trying so hard to make a point of something I already agreed with: yes he most likely took advantage of the situation to create a hype, I'm not arguing with that.

To me this is like saying.... HEY OVER HERE!!!! DON"T LOOK AT THIS OVER HERE!!!! NOTHING TO SEE OVER HERE. If someone came into a room with a bag, put it on the table and said to you. There is noting in this bag that you want. So don't look in this bag. You have to promise NOT to look in this bag, over here. This one, here on the table. DON'T look inside. Whatever you do, DON'T LOOK!!!! that's what it was like back in 1988. Ya had to look! Everything points to him wanting us to find this album. That was how we read the messages and clues Prince left for us to find. it was like a scavenger hunt. Once again you're trying hard to convince me of something I already agreed with, I really don't understand what u want, shall I write a mea culpa saying how right you were and how wrong I was?

Now the issue of people around him not talking about The Black Album and confirming that he did this intentionally. Prince doesn't like anyone talking about anything about him at all. Wendy & Lisa say they get letters in the mail from his lawyer if they say things in the slightest way. So am I shocked nobody came forward saying this is what he did. No. I don't take what people say who have worked with Prince as truth. I think what they say is clouded by fear of a lawsuit. So you maybe getting half the story if you are getting the truth at all. This has been tried already by other orgers and is pure nonsense: the people interviewed about this were often quite critical to Prince and anyway I don't see how people who live in terror of a lawsuit could feel comfy explaining that Prince was depressed, bought and swallowed an illegal drug, had a bad trip, called people in the middle of the night to tell them nonsense, transformed the experience into a ridiculous spiritual experience that led to a financial fiasco for his label and a new album no one around him had a clue what it was about in the first place. Sure this is the kind of stories you tell when you fear the subject of said story's lawyers, it makes perfect sense! Shall we please be rational here and stop making things up for the sake of being right? Prince even has the people that buy his music running in fear of his lawyer. If he was to admit that he intentionally did what he did to create this "underground album". He could find himself in court for fraud. Prince is the least believable source of information when it comes to himself, I fear, the reliable info we have about this story didn't come from him. I think the time has run out that a lawsuit could be filed. Plus the fact the album ended up being released anyway. But for him to admit he did this at this point, would hurt him having companies working with him if he has a history of playing expensive games. (I have always thought of boxes and boxes Black Albums being destroyed.... and who paid for this?) Because that is how it would be view. On top of this, it would ruin the story. Its like Carly Simon's "You're So Vain" song. She is not going to tell what the song is about. It thrills her that people toil over who the song is about. But I think that the only person who would know if this was intentional is Prince. I'm sure Prince got a thrill out of this too. Once again you're trying hard to make a point out of nothing: you say "Prince wouldn't admit the whole story": did I ever said he should or would or have? Who are you replying to? Certainly not me because we've never addressed this before since the begining of this conversation.

But in the case of The Black Album..... If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, and swims like a duck. Guess what? It's a duck.... I know a duck when I see one. The Black Album is one big stinking duck. The only thing missing in this puzzle is admittance from Prince. That is all that's missing. I don't need Prince or anyone else to tell me that The Black Album is a duck. I think it was a really cool and different way being creative. It really worked to create a buzz and a concept album and message. At the time, it was frustrating and fun all at the same time. But to me.... This will ALWAYS be an intentional underground album. Period!

I will never forget the look on that guys face at the concert. How do you know this song? He was beside himself.... it was too funny.

I'm not sure what you're saying but the people who claim Bush organized the 09/11 attacks or that Hollywood is secretly ruled by satanists who use movies as satanic propaganda also say "I know a duck when I see one". There is no room in a serious debate for people's guts feelings, I'm sorry. You're not making a point here if you're trying to sell anyone the idea that Prince planned to cancel TBA from day 1 because once again you haven't been able to undig any substancial data proving it. You're twisting logic (people are afraid of P's lawyers so they gonna tell about his illegal and ridiculous drug experience; newspapers published reviews of an album Prince had never sent to them in the first place, etc.), you're basically saying that if all dogs have 4 legs then all that has 4 legs is a dog (Prince took advantage of the TBA fiasco so the TBA fiasco was made so he could take advantage of it) to serve your ends and this is unacceptable. And in the end your final justification is your gut feeling about all this, as if I was to say "Oh! You have a feeling about this! I'm sorry, this indeed is more proof than Per Nilsen and Alex Hahn's research, what a fool have I been to think otherwise". Actually it's funny because even Alex Hahn, who was so determined to prove through his book what a liar and a prick Prince is, couldn't find anything to use that Black Album story against him. I'm sure he would have loved to reveal, at long last, that the whole affair was a hoax but strangely enough he didn't.

I don't wish to have a feud with you here but my belief in research and logic makes me unable to condone your behavior on those matters, even though once again I sincerely appreciate the stories you've shared, and totally agree on the fact that Prince has most likely consciously used the TBA fiasco to create a hype. But anyway the way I see it you seem more eager to make a point than to have a point because you go as far as to fight me back on things I was agreeing with you in the first place. So let's say you win and put an end to a conversation that leads nowhere. The people who read this threads will know how what to think anyway. I hope we can still be friends and that this is not the first act of a series of you contradicting everything I say on every thread I contribute (this has happened before with other orgers).

Peace

OldFriends4Sale said:

databank said:

LEATHRSAIL said:

The facts:

Alphabet Street "secret message" that ran on MTV talking about The Black Album. Yes.

The review in Rolling Stone of Lovesexy talked about The Black Album. it also described what the album was like. Not Prince's doing.

The opening line of The Black Album. "So you found me, good I'm glad". I didn't know he was lost..... No he wasn't, but he wanted us to find The Black Album. this is how we took this back in 1988 as his saying he was happy we looked and found this. It was the opening line to the album. The album was not credited to "Prince", it was in fact not credited at all, so technically fans were expected to "find" it hence the opening line, there's no more to it than that.

At the concert he played songs from The Black Album. Yes.

The concert program book outlined both Lovesexy & The Black Album. One being dark (The Black Album) and the light (Lovesexy). It talked descriptively about each of the songs on The Black Album. All the pages in the book that were about The Black Album were a solid black background with peach lettering. All the Lovesexy parts were on a white background with purple/blue lettering. My book is packed away in the back of the closet with my other Prince things. But if you have a copy of it. Read it. It marries the two albums together. I do have it, you are correct.

You said he "DID NOT organize its leak in any way". Well.... What is a leak? When someone leaks information, its known as someone talking about the information (to the press normally). All of the information I listed above came from Prince. it all seems organized to me. Didn't copies go to the reviewers before the album was scraped? They are the press, and they love a good story. It sells and that is the business they are in. I remember the VJ's on MTV when they were talking about the "secret message" in the video. It had a very "wink, wink, nudge, nudge" feel to it. HEY! secret message over here. I am sure that the Prince camp told them about the message in the video. I was talking about leaking the record, not information. Prince didn't leak the record and I don't remember any copy having been sent to the press (I may be wrong though -someone correct me if I am- but I don't remember ever reading about a "promo" copy of it being in circulation and even if promo copies had been sent before cancellation was decided it then doesn't prove anything at all, it would only if sent after cancellation and no such thing happened). The leaked copies were stolen by WB employees then sold and duplicated. Prince wasn't behind the Rolling Stone review nor any other review or radio broadcast of the album. This being said you are correct about the music video, tour program, tour setlist, and he even played Cindy C. once on his 1989 NPG Radio Show. I don't know why you are trying so hard to make a point of something I already agreed with: yes he most likely took advantage of the situation to create a hype, I'm not arguing with that.

To me this is like saying.... HEY OVER HERE!!!! DON"T LOOK AT THIS OVER HERE!!!! NOTHING TO SEE OVER HERE. If someone came into a room with a bag, put it on the table and said to you. There is noting in this bag that you want. So don't look in this bag. You have to promise NOT to look in this bag, over here. This one, here on the table. DON'T look inside. Whatever you do, DON'T LOOK!!!! that's what it was like back in 1988. Ya had to look! Everything points to him wanting us to find this album. That was how we read the messages and clues Prince left for us to find. it was like a scavenger hunt. Once again you're trying hard to convince me of something I already agreed with, I really don't understand what u want, shall I write a mea culpa saying how right you were and how wrong I was?

Now the issue of people around him not talking about The Black Album and confirming that he did this intentionally. Prince doesn't like anyone talking about anything about him at all. Wendy & Lisa say they get letters in the mail from his lawyer if they say things in the slightest way. So am I shocked nobody came forward saying this is what he did. No. I don't take what people say who have worked with Prince as truth. I think what they say is clouded by fear of a lawsuit. So you maybe getting half the story if you are getting the truth at all. This has been tried already by other orgers and is pure nonsense: the people interviewed about this were often quite critical to Prince and anyway I don't see how people who live in terror of a lawsuit could feel comfy explaining that Prince was depressed, bought and swallowed an illegal drug, had a bad trip, called people in the middle of the night to tell them nonsense, transformed the experience into a ridiculous spiritual experience that led to a financial fiasco for his label and a new album no one around him had a clue what it was about in the first place. Sure this is the kind of stories you tell when you fear the subject of said story's lawyers, it makes perfect sense! Shall we please be rational here and stop making things up for the sake of being right? Prince even has the people that buy his music running in fear of his lawyer. If he was to admit that he intentionally did what he did to create this "underground album". He could find himself in court for fraud. Prince is the least believable source of information when it comes to himself, I fear, the reliable info we have about this story didn't come from him. I think the time has run out that a lawsuit could be filed. Plus the fact the album ended up being released anyway. But for him to admit he did this at this point, would hurt him having companies working with him if he has a history of playing expensive games. (I have always thought of boxes and boxes Black Albums being destroyed.... and who paid for this?) Because that is how it would be view. On top of this, it would ruin the story. Its like Carly Simon's "You're So Vain" song. She is not going to tell what the song is about. It thrills her that people toil over who the song is about. But I think that the only person who would know if this was intentional is Prince. I'm sure Prince got a thrill out of this too. Once again you're trying hard to make a point out of nothing: you say "Prince wouldn't admit the whole story": did I ever said he should or would or have? Who are you replying to? Certainly not me because we've never addressed this before since the begining of this conversation.

But in the case of The Black Album..... If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, and swims like a duck. Guess what? It's a duck.... I know a duck when I see one. The Black Album is one big stinking duck. The only thing missing in this puzzle is admittance from Prince. That is all that's missing. I don't need Prince or anyone else to tell me that The Black Album is a duck. I think it was a really cool and different way being creative. It really worked to create a buzz and a concept album and message. At the time, it was frustrating and fun all at the same time. But to me.... This will ALWAYS be an intentional underground album. Period!

I will never forget the look on that guys face at the concert. How do you know this song? He was beside himself.... it was too funny.

I'm not sure what you're saying but the people who claim Bush organized the 09/11 attacks or that Hollywood is secretly ruled by satanists who use movies as satanic propaganda also say "I know a duck when I see one". There is no room in a serious debate for people's guts feelings, I'm sorry. You're not making a point here if you're trying to sell anyone the idea that Prince planned to cancel TBA from day 1 because once again you haven't been able to undig any substancial data proving it. You're twisting logic (people are afraid of P's lawyers so they gonna tell about his illegal and ridiculous drug experience; newspapers published reviews of an album Prince had never sent to them in the first place, etc.), you're basically saying that if all dogs have 4 legs then all that has 4 legs is a dog (Prince took advantage of the TBA fiasco so the TBA fiasco was made so he could take advantage of it) to serve your ends and this is unacceptable. And in the end your final justification is your gut feeling about all this, as if I was to say "Oh! You have a feeling about this! I'm sorry, this indeed is more proof than Per Nilsen and Alex Hahn's research, what a fool have I been to think otherwise". Actually it's funny because even Alex Hahn, who was so determined to prove through his book what a liar and a prick Prince is, couldn't find anything to use that Black Album story against him. I'm sure he would have loved to reveal, at long last, that the whole affair was a hoax but strangely enough he didn't.

I don't wish to have a feud with you here but my belief in research and logic makes me unable to condone your behavior on those matters, even though once again I sincerely appreciate the stories you've shared, and totally agree on the fact that Prince has most likely consciously used the TBA fiasco to create a hype. But anyway the way I see it you seem more eager to make a point than to have a point because you go as far as to fight me back on things I was agreeing with you in the first place. So let's say you win and put an end to a conversation that leads nowhere. The people who read this threads will know how what to think anyway. I hope we can still be friends and that this is not the first act of a series of you contradicting everything I say on every thread I contribute (this has happened before with other orgers).

Peace

From Wiki: Just before the album was released to the market, Prince recalled all copies and abandoned the entire project, leaving roughly 100 European promotional copies in circulation, and several American copies that would be widely bootleged in the years to come.

From the Phili Enquirer published back in 1988:

What is known is that a few journalists were sent copies in advance tapes of The Black Album for review.

Back in the day it was known that the album was sent to reviewers. You couldn't read a review about Lovesexy without The Black Album also being mentioned and they would talk about the content because they had heard the album.

The reason back in the day that was given why the album was scrapped was that he had a spiritual epiphany and made Lovesexy. To me that was just like him saying he changed his name to a symbol because of a spiritual epiphany. That turned out to be about Warner Bros taking copyright of his name and not a spiritual epiphany. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

As a person who has spent 30+ years listening to Prince's music I have learned that you have to read between the lines and not take everything at face value. Don't look for proof, because you wont find it.

THE END

This is my thread was my second post on this site, and will be my last. I have only been in read only mode on this site in the past for years. I would only read this site so I know what is going on with Prince so I don't have to hunt him down to the 4 corners of the earth. So I am going back to read only mode. WHY? Because of people like you and your nasty comments. So have fun being the Prince police.... <eye roll>

LEATHRSAIL said:

databank said:

From Wiki: Just before the album was released to the market, Prince recalled all copies and abandoned the entire project, leaving roughly 100 European promotional copies in circulation, and several American copies that would be widely bootleged in the years to come.

From the Phili Enquirer published back in 1988:

What is known is that a few journalists were sent copies in advance tapes of The Black Album for review.

Back in the day it was known that the album was sent to reviewers. You couldn't read a review about Lovesexy without The Black Album also being mentioned and they would talk about the content because they had heard the album.

The reason back in the day that was given why the album was scrapped was that he had a spiritual epiphany and made Lovesexy. To me that was just like him saying he changed his name to a symbol because of a spiritual epiphany. That turned out to be about Warner Bros taking copyright of his name and not a spiritual epiphany. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

As a person who has spent 30+ years listening to Prince's music I have learned that you have to read between the lines and not take everything at face value. Don't look for proof, because you wont find it.

THE END

This is my thread was my second post on this site, and will be my last. I have only been in read only mode on this site in the past for years. I would only read this site so I know what is going on with Prince so I don't have to hunt him down to the 4 corners of the earth. So I am going back to read only mode. WHY? Because of people like you and your nasty comments. So have fun being the Prince police.... <eye roll>

My bad for the promo copies, I was mistaken and I admitted above that I wasn't 100% sure about this particular point but nonetheless, as explained already, it doesn't change anything to the fact that such copies were sent BEFORE the album cancellation so it doesn't change anything to the whole story.

Don't post on forums if u won't stand people disagreeing with u. What kind of a blackmail is that? "U're so bad I'll leave, so u better beg me to stay". I won't sorry, but your contribution was interesting in some aspects so it's a shame.

Peace.

LEATHRSAIL said:

This is my thread was my second post on this site, and will be my last. I have only been in read only mode on this site in the past for years. I would only read this site so I know what is going on with Prince so I don't have to hunt him down to the 4 corners of the earth. So I am going back to read only mode. WHY? Because of people like you and your nasty comments. So have fun being the Prince police.... <eye roll>

Nobody has been nasty to you.
All I see is spirited debate between people that feel strongly that they are correct and the other is flat wrong.
You will occasionally find nastiness here, but, it hasn't been present in this thread.

Your opinions, feelings and conclusions are as valid as those that oppose you.

Why would you take your ball and go home, unless, you don't like challenging debate?
Just sayin...

djThunderfunk said:

LEATHRSAIL said:

This is my thread was my second post on this site, and will be my last. I have only been in read only mode on this site in the past for years. I would only read this site so I know what is going on with Prince so I don't have to hunt him down to the 4 corners of the earth. So I am going back to read only mode. WHY? Because of people like you and your nasty comments. So have fun being the Prince police.... <eye roll>

Nobody has been nasty to you.
All I see is spirited debate between people that feel strongly that they are correct and the other is flat wrong.
You will occasionally find nastiness here, but, it hasn't been present in this thread.

Your opinions, feelings and conclusions are as valid as those that oppose you.

Why would you take your ball and go home, unless, you don't like challenging debate?
Just sayin...

Thunderfunk always the wise, peace-keeping and reasonable orger. That's y I love u

To all Prince fans here: in another topic, it was posted that there were to be new leaks early next year. I can confirm that what will go on next year is a new bootleg which will include the full "Kiss Me Quick" and "Love and Sex" (1984)!!!!!!!!!!!!!

P.S. I do not know anything else at the moment.

[Edited 11/22/14 10:11am]

databank said:

Thunderfunk always the wise, peace-keeping and reasonable orger. That's y I love u

mcmk785new said:

To all Prince fans here: in another topic, it was posted that there were to be new leaks early next year. I can confirm that what will go on next year is a new bootleg which will include the full "Kiss Me Quick" and "Love and Sex" (1984)!!!!!!!!!!!!!

P.S. I do not know anything else at the moment.

[Edited 11/22/14 10:11am]

Sounds funky, thx