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Bobby Z, Prince, And the Current (More 3EG/Solo News)
I saw a link of this but not the actual Current write-up...
--A few things...It's cool to see Bobby Z hanging out with P again....
--It seems from the write up that Prince wanted to correct the Bream piece (says his issues with radio were presented much too simplistically...)
I'm more interested in the solo stuff than 3EG....I think Prince and the Girls KICK ASS live. But other than "Funk & Roll" I find the stuff to be hit or miss (plus I'm not interested in hearing duets of Donna and the ball and chain...)
--Oh, he got a lot of jokes......
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Prince and 3rdEyeGirl share new music at late-night Paisley Park rendezvousby · June 26, 2014
Link: http://blog.thecurrent.or...endezvous/
Prince is funny. That may sound like too basic a descriptor for one of the most iconic, eccentric, and enigmatic pop artists of our time, but after spending several hours with him last night at Paisley Park I was left thinking that he is really, really funny. It’s rare that more than five minutes goes by without Prince cracking a joke, and there was something contagious about observing the sheer joy and bemusement with which he experiences everything around him.
I got the call to visit Paisley Park last minute, as is Prince’s style. The drummer for Prince’s early ‘80s band the Revolution, Bobby Z, emailed around dinnertime to invite me out to Paisley Park to hear new music from 3rdEyeGirl’s forthcoming album, Plectrum Electrum. I RSVP’d yes.
It was approximately 10:59 p.m. when I pulled up to the front of Paisley Park, which was lit up with purple lights. Bobby Z himself was talking at that moment on the Current, setting up the song “Let’s Go Crazy” with an anecdote I had just recorded with him in the studio last week, and then there he was in the parking lot, waiting for me outside Prince’s glowing purple complex as the squealing opening guitars of that song filled my car. I parked, walked over to Bobby, held my breath, and did everything in my power to stay calm as he and I walked inside. It became quickly apparent that we had driven two of the only cars in the parking lot and might be the only guests for whatever was about to unfold.
Bobby and I were ushered into the smaller of Paisley Park’s two live performance rooms, a narrow little space with a stage on one end, a row of oversized plush purple chairs and tables along one side, and a commercial kitchen in the back. The three members of Prince...3rdEyeGirl–drummer Hannah Ford, guitarist Donna Grantis, and bassist Ida Nielsen—were already in the room, along with a few members of Paisley’s house band and the facilities manager. As 3rdEyeGirl poured glasses of wine we were also joined by Taja Sevelle, an artist and songwriter who was signed to Paisley Park Records back in the ‘80s, and her husband, who happened to be in town visiting family.
Not long after the small group started mingling, Prince himself appeared with his new protégé, who was introduced simply as Marissa. He was casually dressed in a stretchy black pantsuit, ornate necklace, and black platform sandals, and he took a moment to shake hands with each person and insist that we “make ourselves at home.” Everyone had gigantic smiles across their faces.
We went over and sat at one of the tables for a moment—a long, dark oval table with these comically gigantic plush purple chairs that seemed straight out of Alice in Wonderland. I felt like a little kid pulling the tall chair out away from the table so I could sit down. A DJ blasted music overhead—a sparse solo Prince track I hadn’t heard before followed by Earth, Wind & Fire—while the movie Finding Nemo played on two gigantic screens in the room. After a few minutes Prince popped around to the side of my chair and said, “Let’s all go to Studio B.”
As soon as we got up to start walking Prince fell into step alongside me.
“I saw what you and Bobby did today,” he said. I knew he must be referring to the 30th anniversary Purple Rain blog post that I had published earlier that day, which contained quotes from Bobby about each of the album’s tracks.
“Oh?” I said. “What did you think about that?”
He shrugged and rolled his eyes. “I don’t know why people need to do that. To look back on the 30th year of something. When else would we talk like that?”
“You don’t like anniversaries?” I asked, immediately realizing what a dumb question that was given his thoughts on birthdays.
“Why would anyone want to talk like that? Unless you’re married, I guess, or have a high school reunion.” He turned behind him and teased Bobby in a playful, high-pitched tone. “Bobby, do you remember when we went to high school together?” He turned back to me. “Why do people do that? I guess they don’t have anything interesting happening in their lives. I’m not interested in looking back. I’m too busy doing this.”
And with that he ushered me into Studio B. “Sit anywhere you’d like,” he said, and I chose one of the more inconspicuous spots on a plush red couch with perfect little tasseled purple pillows that sat along the back wall. The whole studio was immaculate: purple carpeting, a state-of-the-art soundboard, beautifully designed wooden soundproofing elements coming out of the ceiling, and my favorite feature, a door that simply had the letter “P” inscribed on its glass. The door led into the live recording room, and as the other people settled into the chairs around the studio Prince disappeared behind the glass. Once everyone took their places he came back and sat in a swivel chair right next to Bobby.
With his engineer (and Hannah Ford’s husband), Joshua Welton, sitting at the controls, Prince sat back and dictated which songs to play us and for how long. The first song was the opening track of the new 3rdEyeGirl album, Plectrum Electrum, a punchy, Prince-led track that also appears on Liv Warfield’s new album under the title “The Unexpected.”
Having heard quite a few songs from Prince’s new 3rdEyeGirl project in the past, the track wasn’t far from what I was expecting, although the music sounded richer and more complex on those studio speakers than anything I’d ever heard before. The song strutted with a classic Prince funk groove and featured stacks of tightly recorded vocal harmonies. Everyone in the studio was bobbing their heads to the beat.
After the song ended he looked around and asked us, “Is that too loud?” and everyone yelled “NO!” “No!” he echoed back, falling into a fit of laughter.
Next up was “We Ain’t Turn Around,” a far poppier song that featured drummer Hannah Ford on lead vocals and a ripping guitar solo by Donna Grantis. Then we heard part of “Stop This Train,” a duet between Hannah and Josh that almost had an Owl City vibe. By this point Prince was getting impatient and he started cutting off the songs before they could finish so we could move on to the next one.
“This next one is an instrumental, guitar band jam,” Prince said, and Josh cued up the title track of the new album, “Plectrum Electrum.” It was grimy and swampy and heavy and satisfying, reminiscent of the Led Zeppelin song “The Ocean” in its opening riff and then wandering off into a feedback-laden freakout. When the guitar squalor ended Prince leapt out of his chair and pretended like he was going to storm right out the door. “Donna, you owe us an apology,” he joked, sitting back down. “That was rude,” he added, laughing.
Next he said he was going to play a song that he wrote for Rita Ora, who is “the biggest thing in UK fashion” at the moment, and who he described as “really rough… she’s one of those ruffians. Like they’re just putting some fancy clothes on her, but she’s rough.” The song was easily the freshest and most forward-thinking track he played for us, with a crazy breakneck beat and some quick-paced sing/rapping that reminded me a bit of Lizzo’s work with Lazerbeak and Ryan Olson. “She’s 22 going on 49,” he cracked. Later, I would ask him if he discovered her on his latest tour to Europe (where he played just last month) and he said that it was the first time he had connected with her, though they had known of her for a while. “Like a lot of artists, she came to a show, paid her respects,” he said.
And then we had the chance to sample all of the new song “Gold Standard,” a frenetic, funky, fun single that had a jittery guitar hook reminiscent of “Kiss” and some fast-talking lyrics. (“Did he just sing ‘hashtag put your fun in your bag?’” I scribbled into my notebook. It turns out it was “hashtag put ur phone in ur bag.”) The chorus was “Gold standard, crazy amazing,” once again sung in those trademark tight vocal harmonies stacked up all the way to the ceiling. The song built into an amazing horn-heavy funk breakdown and then ended with some bizarre bubbling noises and Prince speaking slowly and suggestively. When I looked over at him he was almost falling off of his chair laughing. Remember what I said about his sense of humor?
When I asked him about the bubbling noises in the song he said, “If I told you, I’d have to…you know,” then added, “Let’s just say we were watching Finding Nemo in the studio.”
The final song he played was from his protégé, Marissa, who is working with Welton on some new recordings. The beat was AWESOME, a fast-paced, dizzying drum roll, and the vocals were poppy, similar to the work that Hannah Ford has been doing with 3rdEyeGirl.
As soon as we started walking out of the studio Prince caught up with me and asked, “Will you pay for that?”
“Maybe,” I said. “What’s the price?”
He shrugged and smiled. “Get your checkbook.”
Once we got into the hall I started marveling over all of the awards displayed in little cases along the wall and all the photos that I had been too distracted to take in before. There is a timeline running in chronological order along one wall that has photos of Prince from every stage in his career, and he paused and pointed to a blown up version of a 1985 issue of Rolling Stone. “See that?” he said. “They wanted me to pose for a photo shoot but I was too busy, so they took a screen grab of my video and blew it up for the cover.” He scoffed.
Bobby Z pointed out how pixelated it was, and how he had never noticed that before. “Look at my teeth, see these gaps?” Prince said.
“Did the distortion do that?” Bobby asked.
“No,” Prince said, “but c’mon. They were obviously like, ‘Fine, you don’t want to pose for a photo? Here!’ Brother ain’t got no teeth!”
(I almost lost it here. I couldn’t help but giggle uncontrollably. Did I mention Prince is hilarious?) We started walking again. “I wanted to ask you about something, since you say you don’t look back,” I said. “How do you feel about the MNHS photo exhibit, with all the Charles Chamblis photos? They have a very early photo of you on display right now.”
“Oh, that’s ok,” he said. “I don’t mind that. You know, I’d like to see that!”
By this point we had gotten back into the room with the stage, and Prince lingered near the back of the room to continue our conversation. He was sure to mention Jon Bream’s recent writ...to Paisley several times, oftentimes quoting what he had written about the new music word for word. He also criticized the way his conversation about radio stations was represented in the piece, scoffing at how simplistically the conversation had been reprinted for the paper.
“What I’m saying is really basic,” he said. “I don’t know how you could misunderstand it. Clear Channel owns all the radio. Someone is making the playlist for all the stations across the country, and it’s all corporately owned. You know iHeartRadio? They don’t sell records… If I’m going to play, I get paid a million dollars. How are they going to make that if they don’t sell any records? That’s why you see the same few artists playing all of their festivals; they own the publishing, they own the songs, they own everything.”
“When I was with Warners, the album I sold that year would make more money than anything else on the label,” he continued. “I was earning all the money for them. That’s why we had to put out a new record every year; to make money for the label.”
“The 1% was making the profits for the other 99%,” Bobby added.
“It was me and Madonna,” Prince said, nodding. “Basically. That’s why I had to get out. I was releasing albums once a year, which felt too slow for me, but too fast for them because they had to figure out how to promote it.”
He paused, adding, “You get the music you deserve.”
Bobby nodded, repeating it. “You get the music you deserve.”
By this time a band had started up—a young guitarist named Darren Harts, plus three of Prince’s session players, who had formed something of a house band behind him. “He’s from Australia,” Prince said, pointing to Darren. “He doesn’t have any real musicians he can play with back home. Isn’t that weird? So I invited him here.”
“That’s nice of you,” I said.
“He reminds me of how I was at that age,” he said, obviously impressed with Darren’s guitar abilities. “I want him to have the opportunity to play with real musicians.”
After a few minutes of listening Prince seemed like he was going to wander away, but he turned back and looked at me again. “Do you want to dance?” he asked me, extending his hand. Before I had time to react, he pulled his arm back and said, “Just kidding!” He walked away again, then turned back and said, “No really, do you want to dance?” and “Just kidding!” again.
Not long after that, Prince disappeared. It must have been roughly 1:30 a.m., and just as producer Joshua Welton started shaking hands with all of us to bid us adieu, I looked up and noticed that Finding Nemo had just finished playing for the second time and the credits had started to roll. It was time to go home. | |
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About the Rolling Stone mag cover...  What? | |
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"Why do people do that? I guess they don’t have anything interesting happening in their lives."
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Finding Nemo plays, and it's like a clock or time-keeper, no? What? | |
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The whole 'not looking back' . 'Real musicians' thing still bugs me . I read a few interviews in 1997/98 where Prince was talking about anniversaries, and had no problem then. I just think it's some kind of avoidance of the mirror. . If a person plays an instrument and they are flesh in blood ie a human being, then they are a real musician. | |
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Why does it bug you? There are a lot of successful people in the music business right now who can't sing and can't play that probably "bugs" Prince.
It's not Prince's fault that the 30 year thing means more to you then it does to him. The very reason Prince has produced the multitude of music he has is that he tries to continually move on to the next thing. Purple Rain was but an instance in the jouney. | |
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Stop the Prince Apologists ™ | |
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"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato
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Sounds like it might be a little cutting and sarcastic....
I don't consider singers (musicians) as in being able to play an instrument:guitar, drums, bass, piano, violin... all musicians are not singers. . And I said 'if a person can play an instrument' that makes them a real musician. If a person cannot play an instrument and uses computers to cover that, then that's something different. If someone has been playing an instrument for a years time, they might not be Sheila E level, but that doesn't mean they are not a real musician. . I'm talking more about what he's saying from the interview (I said nothing about the 30th anniversary) Prince in that interview said a lot about 'why do people do this...' he made a joke about 'high school' Anniversary is anniversary. Prince isn't that far gone to understand why people celebrate anniversaries. I mean if he really reads the JW bible even Jehovah all over the place talkes about remembering, not forgetting, anniversaries of events and such so this is . I mean did you even read it or just quick to jump to Prince's defense? He seems to have an issue. And it's beyond this 30th Anniversary. I'm not just talking about that. I've read a few too many contradictory things by Prince. Back in 2009 Coachella when he has Morris Jerome & Sheila E on stage, if he doesn't look back or anything, why did he look back and say "This is how the Purple Rain tour was supposed to be" Everyone looks back. Everyone. Maybe the death of his child and Mayte(divorce) was a really painful thing. But during that period especially more than any that I remember, he talked a LOT about music, times, people from times before. During Musicology, didn't he write a song called Reflections? He's brought up the Time in interviews and good/bad talked about 'how things were' In a few of the 1985 interviews he talked a lot about 'times gone' by. Everyone looks back. It makes him sound 'disconnected' not deep when he says that because EVEYONE AROUND THE WORLD looks back and 'anniversaries' of all sorts are a human experience. He should ask Jehovah why people need to do that. To look back on the Anniversary of something. In the quote below, he made that general. Not just about Purple Rain. . Seriously? a person must not have anything happening in their lives if they look back on something or celebrates an anniversary? . . . He shrugged and rolled his eyes. “I don’t know why people need to do that. To look back on the 30th year of something. When else would we talk like that?”
“Why would anyone want to talk like that? Unless you’re married, I guess, or have a high school reunion.” He turned behind him and teased Bobby in a playful, high-pitched tone. “Bobby, do you remember when we went to high school together?” He turned back to me. “Why do people do that? I guess they don’t have anything interesting happening in their lives. I’m not interested in looking back. I’m too busy doing this.” . This song below is about looking back . To sevens together | |
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My take is he was really talking about the 30 yr thing. He probably doesn't want to get all caught up in the current nostosia (sp) about it. He can reflect on his own schedule not because he is suppose too.
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His words are about 'looking back' in general. That's why he brings up other examples. . And after a certain point 'there is nothing new under the sun' even his current musical push is to recapture something, you look back to do that. There isn't much groundbreaking that I can think of that can happen in music. | |
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Cool Taj Sevelle was there too . As 3rdEyeGirl poured glasses of wine we were also joined by Taja Sevelle, an artist and songwriter who was signed to Paisley Park Records back in the ‘80s, and her husband, who happened to be in town visiting family.
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So what's the problem? You think he should look back more? He shouldn't say he doesn't like looking back? What's the issue? you don't like how he feels? | |
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The whole 'not looking back' . 'Real musicians' thing still bugs me . I read a few interviews in 1997/98 where Prince was talking about anniversaries, and had no problem then. I just think it's some kind of avoidance of the mirror. . If a person plays an instrument and they are flesh in blood ie a human being, then they are a real musician. I play instruments but i would be the FIRST to tell you I'm not a real musician.  | |
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maybe U should have asked that before jumping 2 the conclusion that I want him to celebrate the 30th Anniversary of PR | |
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I don't know what that means... Explain plz how you play instruments but are not a real musician? Do you mean you don't have a record deal, don't get paid etc?
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That's not really an answer is it. U said it bugged you right? Why should how he feels bug u? | |
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hmmmm looks like Prince is doing something similar to what they did with each song on Purple Rain
APRIL 1997 * MUSICIAN The Sound of Emancipation You've said that Emancipation was created in a freer climate than that under which you recorded for Warner Bros. Yet there doesn't seem to my ears to be a significantly "freer" sound on the new album than in your earlier work. Well, when you're in the creative process, the first thing you naturally think about is the "bombs," the great ones that you've done before. You want to fill in the slots on your album with the songs that will make everyone the happiest: fans, musicians, writers, and so on. I used to try to fill those gaps first whenever I was trying something new, or wait to challenge myself to do another great one. This means that you think about singles: time constraints, for example, and the subject matter. [For that reason] my original draft of "Let's Go Crazy" was much different from the version that wound up being released. As I wrote it, "Let's Go Crazy" was about God and the de-elevation of sin. But the problem was that religion as a subject is taboo in pop music. People think that the records they release have got to be hip, but what I need to do is to tell the truth. | |
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I answered it already. I explained already why it bugs me, because it's not realistic. And because Prince does it all the time. EVERYONE looks back, everyone. Prince isn't of some other universe that he just naturally doesn't. He does. He copies things he has done before all time. If he didn't during the 2006 Brit Award show he would not have kissed Tamar during the performance of Purple Rain. If he didn't he would not have said at the 2009 Coachella show with Morris/Jerome & Sheila E "this is how the Purple Rain tour (in 1984/85) should have been. . He is a Jehovahs Witness, Jehovah tells the children of Israel:remember this, celebrate this every year, do this in rememberance, set up these stones so when you and your children pass them you will remember... there are proverbs about creating good memories so when dark times come you can look back and be comforted that times can/will get better... so when he asks 'who does this?' . the problem is remembering can cause pain or other uncomfortable feelings. That is the human experience. But that's only when people don't put things into perspective or move forward in a healthy way. If life at age 25 was wonderful and at age 35 it's not so wonderful, not remember life at 25 or forgetting doesn't help you move onward to a life that can be wonderful again.
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Every time he performs a "hit", every time he comes on stage with his afro and retro clothing......... | |
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I don't consider singers (musicians) as in being able to play an instrument:guitar, drums, bass, piano, violin... all musicians are not singers. . And I said 'if a person can play an instrument' that makes them a real musician. If a person cannot play an instrument and uses computers to cover that, then that's something different. If someone has been playing an instrument for a years time, they might not be Sheila E level, but that doesn't mean they are not a real musician. . I'm talking more about what he's saying from the interview (I said nothing about the 30th anniversary) Prince in that interview said a lot about 'why do people do this...' he made a joke about 'high school' Anniversary is anniversary. Prince isn't that far gone to understand why people celebrate anniversaries. I mean if he really reads the JW bible even Jehovah all over the place talkes about remembering, not forgetting, anniversaries of events and such so this is . I mean did you even read it or just quick to jump to Prince's defense? He seems to have an issue. And it's beyond this 30th Anniversary. I'm not just talking about that. I've read a few too many contradictory things by Prince. Back in 2009 Coachella when he has Morris Jerome & Sheila E on stage, if he doesn't look back or anything, why did he look back and say "This is how the Purple Rain tour was supposed to be" Everyone looks back. Everyone. Maybe the death of his child and Mayte(divorce) was a really painful thing. But during that period especially more than any that I remember, he talked a LOT about music, times, people from times before. During Musicology, didn't he write a song called Reflections? He's brought up the Time in interviews and good/bad talked about 'how things were' In a few of the 1985 interviews he talked a lot about 'times gone' by. Everyone looks back. It makes him sound 'disconnected' not deep when he says that because EVEYONE AROUND THE WORLD looks back and 'anniversaries' of all sorts are a human experience. He should ask Jehovah why people need to do that. To look back on the Anniversary of something. In the quote below, he made that general. Not just about Purple Rain. . Seriously? a person must not have anything happening in their lives if they look back on something or celebrates an anniversary? . . . He shrugged and rolled his eyes. “I don’t know why people need to do that. To look back on the 30th year of something. When else would we talk like that?”
“Why would anyone want to talk like that? Unless you’re married, I guess, or have a high school reunion.” He turned behind him and teased Bobby in a playful, high-pitched tone. “Bobby, do you remember when we went to high school together?” He turned back to me. “Why do people do that? I guess they don’t have anything interesting happening in their lives. I’m not interested in looking back. I’m too busy doing this.” . This song below is about looking back . To sevens together Don't take the statement so literally. He doesn't at a mean he doesn't like reminiscing or having 'you 'member!' moments. All it is is a round about way of saying Jes a busy person with a lot on his plate and focused on the now and to out an emphasis in the Not dismissive of the past or discarding of it. If u take it too literally u run into those perplexing situations u mention. If u take into account that he discusses the past and reminisces like most any human, u can recognize the cue to not take it so literal. Is the statement misleading and easy to misinterpret...I'd say maybe. He don't always men what he says. He means what u can figure and assume from what u know about him combined with what he said. Everyone remembers and reminices...he is human...that's what humans do...so to take the statement at face value is prolly the wrong take. | |
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I can only take it as he says it. There was a 1990s interview where he said "I don't listen to my old stuff' I mean I can only take him for what he says. And he needs to stop staying it.
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U R right, it's all looking back. I mean dwelling in the past is one thing. literally not moving forward in life. Bobby Z Dr Fink and this guy in the interview are not doing that obviously. Prince has a whole bunch of interviews in the late 1990s where he is doing a review of older songs the same way they just did for Purple Rain | |
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I don't know what that means... Explain plz how you play instruments but are not a real musician? Do you mean you don't have a record deal, don't get paid etc?
I can play songs, parts, and fiddle around. I'm not of a caliber, imo to perform or know music as a craft. I can cook, but i ain't no chef. I hadn't noticed the post. I wasn't trying to ignore you. My bad. | |
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i would love to have captured those of you who analyze everything that comes out his mouth; going back to quotes from 1990; really> If we wound back the hands of time, will your thinking and thoughts and words be static or will there be nuance and deviations and variations.. For all you know that was th 100th time someone aksed him about a remaster that day; | |
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well remember Prince didn't do a lot of interviews, so I doubt it between 1987-1989 I don't think he did any
And that interview in question, Prince brought up Let's Go Crazy, it was talking about the music freely (I noticed he was a lot more open during 1996-1999) he talked a lot about the Revolution members the Time, he talked about anniversaries(being married at the time) talked about unreleased music having talked about Make Yo Momma Happy Sexual Suiced and some others, he talked about he creation of a lot of his music during that time period, like he did in that piece about Let's Go Crazy
I don't anylize everything that comes out of his mouth. But just stop saying 'I Don't Look Back' | |
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I can only take it as he says it. There was a 1990s interview where he said "I don't listen to my old stuff' I mean I can only take him for what he says. And he needs to stop staying it.
. U didn't answer my questions to your comment " I don't come to work late" I've said it...but I've also been late....wrap your head around that one. I suppose I'm a liar...like every other human. I suspect that there are statements made by people everyday that you don't take at face value. Actions mean nothing? Only what people say counts? He prolly could find a better way to communicate the idea...but that's what I get from him saying that. I'm focused on the now, and not only that, I'm putting an emphasis in it. By no means does everyone always mean what they say | |
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I don't analyze everything that comes out of his mouth. | |
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