a pro -shot and/or soundboard complete-with-solo Anna Stesia from lovesexy tour

I can't believe he didn't put Joy in Repetition on SOTT. I bet it would have lifted the album much higher in regard at the time (of course now in hindsight critics love it).

ufoclub said:

I can't believe he didn't put Joy in Repetition on SOTT. I bet it would have lifted the album much higher in regard at the time (of course now in hindsight critics love it).

um critics loved it at the time as well

luvsexy4all said:

a pro -shot and/or soundboard complete-with-solo Anna Stesia from lovesexy tour

I might be wrong, but doesn't Dortmund 1988 fulfill your requirements?

RaspBerryGirlFriend said:

luvsexy4all said:

a pro -shot and/or soundboard complete-with-solo Anna Stesia from lovesexy tour

I might be wrong, but doesn't Dortmund 1988 fulfill your requirements?

not with that mf guitar tech problem

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Plectrum Electrum (yet?)

Montreux 2009 DVD

The Breakdown

Days of Wild on Gold Experience

A better Indigo Nights

The Musicology in Detroit show DVD

20Ten Deluxe

3121 the Movie (!!!!!!)

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Marco81 said:

Plectrum Electrum (yet?)

Montreux 2009 DVD

The Breakdown

Days of Wild on Gold Experience

A better Indigo Nights

The Musicology in Detroit show DVD

3121 the Movie (!!!!!!)

a lot of good ones..PE doesnt count cause it WILL happen

the point of this thread is for him to realize he hasnt been documented as he should LIVE ...except from memory

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I'm baffled that the official Purple Rain and Lovesexy tour VHS releases haven't been officially released on DVD. I mean, these are released products that are just languishing on a format that nobody uses any more.

I mean, the Diamonds & Pearls video collection got an official DVD release, but these havent?

Also would love for P to release the 3121 movie. It was supposed to be released on the Lotusflow3r website, but was pulled at the last minute.

luvsexy4all said:

RaspBerryGirlFriend said:

I might be wrong, but doesn't Dortmund 1988 fulfill your requirements?

not with that mf guitar tech problem

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Oh right, I see. Truth be told as a more recent fan I haven't actually had the chance to watch it given its unavailibility on DVD, I just saw the tracklist on Prince Vault.

TBH there's so much stuff that he could've released but hasn't that it's very difficult choosing between them. Crystal Ball II would be a good start however, considering how many amazing tracks of his are still unreleased and many more not even circulating.

ufoclub said:

lwr001 said:

ufoclub said:

I can't believe he didn't put Joy in Repetition on SOTT. I bet it would have lifted the album much higher in regard at the time (of course now in hindsight critics love it).

um critics loved it at the time as well

Not like you would think, The Rolling Stones review at the time ends like this:

"There would be one great LP hidden in the sprawl of this double album if the songs exerted any uniform effect. Unfortunately, they don't. That's okay; one takes great songs wherever one can find them. But simple virtuosity -- mere brilliance, one might almost say -- seems too easy an exercise, at this point, for someone of Prince's extraordinary gifts. And he is beginning to repeat himself: "Play in the Sunshine" is the sort of soulful raveup he's tossed off several times before, and the little bass idea that so memorably animates the title tune crops up again in both "Hot Thing" and the mildly intriguing "Forever in My Life." This way lies decadence.

Prince appeared on the scene as a champion of outcast originality. He demonstrated for a new generation the beauty of true style and unconstrained personality, the complexity of the interplay among love and God and sexuality and -- most important -- the essentially multiracial nature of rock & roll music. He is an artist capable of altering popular consciousness in concrete ways, but Sign o' the Times seems unlikely to alter anything more profound than the face of the hit parade. Nothing wrong with that, but it's rather like the story about Jesus feeding the multitudes with miraculous loaves and fishes. Such fundamental nourishment is always appreciated. But when a full-blown feast is so obviously within Prince's capabilities, one wonders: Why doesn't he go for it?"

robertgeorgeakabob said:

To think he has recordings of so many amazing shows and only allows himself to watch them.

I rather doubt Prince is sitting around the house watching his old videos.

ufoclub said:

lwr001 said:

um critics loved it at the time as well

Not like you would think, The Rolling Stones review at the time ends like this:

"There would be one great LP hidden in the sprawl of this double album if the songs exerted any uniform effect. Unfortunately, they don't. That's okay; one takes great songs wherever one can find them. But simple virtuosity -- mere brilliance, one might almost say -- seems too easy an exercise, at this point, for someone of Prince's extraordinary gifts. And he is beginning to repeat himself: "Play in the Sunshine" is the sort of soulful raveup he's tossed off several times before, and the little bass idea that so memorably animates the title tune crops up again in both "Hot Thing" and the mildly intriguing "Forever in My Life." This way lies decadence.

Prince appeared on the scene as a champion of outcast originality. He demonstrated for a new generation the beauty of true style and unconstrained personality, the complexity of the interplay among love and God and sexuality and -- most important -- the essentially multiracial nature of rock & roll music. He is an artist capable of altering popular consciousness in concrete ways, but Sign o' the Times seems unlikely to alter anything more profound than the face of the hit parade. Nothing wrong with that, but it's rather like the story about Jesus feeding the multitudes with miraculous loaves and fishes. Such fundamental nourishment is always appreciated. But when a full-blown feast is so obviously within Prince's capabilities, one wonders: Why doesn't he go for it?"

Yes, but one review does not necessarily a critical consensus make. For example Robert Christgau loved it and gave it an A+, and it won the Village Voice's Pazz and Jop poll for album of the year, with Christgau describing it "as easily the biggest winner in Pazz & Jop history." Granted, this isn't conclusive evidence that Sign o' the Times received almost unaninmous praise, but a poll of music critics seems more appropriate evidence for judging the critical opinion of the time than one Rolling Stone review.

I'd personally love to have a soundboard/dvd of Jersey, 12/15/10.. TBO, Shh, Adore.. he was ON POINT that night. I still get goosebumps thinking about how perfect he did TBO.

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RaspBerryGirlFriend said:

ufoclub said:

Not like you would think, The Rolling Stones review at the time ends like this:

"There would be one great LP hidden in the sprawl of this double album if the songs exerted any uniform effect. Unfortunately, they don't. That's okay; one takes great songs wherever one can find them. But simple virtuosity -- mere brilliance, one might almost say -- seems too easy an exercise, at this point, for someone of Prince's extraordinary gifts. And he is beginning to repeat himself: "Play in the Sunshine" is the sort of soulful raveup he's tossed off several times before, and the little bass idea that so memorably animates the title tune crops up again in both "Hot Thing" and the mildly intriguing "Forever in My Life." This way lies decadence.

Prince appeared on the scene as a champion of outcast originality. He demonstrated for a new generation the beauty of true style and unconstrained personality, the complexity of the interplay among love and God and sexuality and -- most important -- the essentially multiracial nature of rock & roll music. He is an artist capable of altering popular consciousness in concrete ways, but Sign o' the Times seems unlikely to alter anything more profound than the face of the hit parade. Nothing wrong with that, but it's rather like the story about Jesus feeding the multitudes with miraculous loaves and fishes. Such fundamental nourishment is always appreciated. But when a full-blown feast is so obviously within Prince's capabilities, one wonders: Why doesn't he go for it?"

Yes, but one review does not necessarily a critical consensus make. For example Robert Christgau loved it and gave it an A+, and it won the Village Voice's Pazz and Jop poll for album of the year, with Christgau describing it "as easily the biggest winner in Pazz & Jop history." Granted, this isn't conclusive evidence that Sign o' the Times received almost unaninmous praise, but a poll of music critics seems more appropriate evidence for judging the critical opinion of the time than one Rolling Stone review.

Hmmm... let me look for Robert Christgau's actual review. It sounds like you're cutting and pasting out of wikipedia and that might be skewing the true review's flavor.

ufoclub said:

RaspBerryGirlFriend said:

Yes, but one review does not necessarily a critical consensus make. For example Robert Christgau loved it and gave it an A+, and it won the Village Voice's Pazz and Jop poll for album of the year, with Christgau describing it "as easily the biggest winner in Pazz & Jop history." Granted, this isn't conclusive evidence that Sign o' the Times received almost unaninmous praise, but a poll of music critics seems more appropriate evidence for judging the critical opinion of the time than one Rolling Stone review.

Hmmm... let me look for Robert Christgau's actual review. It sounds like you're cutting and pasting out of wikipedia and that might be skewing the true review's flavor.

Hah, I thought you might say that!

Christgau's review is the primary positive contemporary on that the wikipedia article features, but honestly I was a Christgau fan before I was a Prince one, so I wasn't just quote mining one wikipedia. In fact, Christgau's Dirty Mind review is probably more responsible than anything for getting me into Prince in the first place (with its classic closing line "Mick Jagger should fold up his penis and go home" ).

I don't know if Christgau was "the dean of American rock critics" yet by 1987, but I have no doubt that his opinion was greatly respected and an A+ from him carried serious weight.

He should have released the soundboard recording of Small Club, 2nd Show That Night between "Lovesexy" and "Batman" ... music lovers' heads would have freaking exploded.

The timing was perfect, too. I just checked the dates, and "Lovesexy" was released in May, 1988, while "Batman" was released in June, 1989. The final single from "Lovesexy," "I Wish U Heaven," was released in September of 1988, and only on the charts briefly (despite being awesome). The next single, "Batdance," wasn't released until June of 1989.

As the new year hit in 1989, Prince should have released the soundboard recording of "Small Club" without a ton of promotion or fanfare -- mostly as a special treat for his fans and those really into great music, in general. If he didn't want a 2-disc-set for various reasons, he would have to have cut about 25 minutes to get it all on one disk. I think, as great as that show is, this would be viable and possibly even improve it (as tough as that is to imagine), obv if done well. I know fans would furiously debate what to cut. Personally, I'd suggest cutting about 60% of the intro, just to get started when it's really cooking and also save more of the rest of the album, and then cut much of "People Without," which is cool for being improvised, but still a bit meandering and IMO not really up to the overall quality of the concert... and that still leaves us with a controversial 12-13 minutes to cut. As long as we keep DMSR, JMI, and ITYT, I could live with any other decision on that matter. However, while this may be unpopular, I would cut "Forever In Your Life," as I think "Still Would Stand All Time" is superior and comes directly afterwards, and also that SOTT is already well-repped by the energetic performance of "Housequake."

So, on December 27, 1988, a 4:00-ish "single edit" of DMSR (live) would be released to radio. Then on January 10, 1989, the live album, "Prince: Small Club, Second Show that Night" would be officially released, with a sort-of roughed up "bootleg" look to the artwork. The tracklist would be as follows:

Prince: Small Club, Second Show that Night

1. Instrumental Jam 4:55

2. DMSR 8:47

3. Just My Imagination 7:45

4. People Without 3:29

5. Housequake 4:32

6. Down Home Blues 8:47

7. Cold Sweat 9:35

8. Still Would Stand All Time 10:47

9. I'll Take You There 15:58

10. It's Gonna Be a Beautiful Night 2:40

11. Rave to the Joy Fantastic 2:11

Total Runtime: 77:26 (should barely fit on 1 CD)

And that still leaves a solid 6 months before "Batdance" and "Batman" come out, so the timing really isn't an issue. I think it's unlikely would have been a commercial smash, and I doubt it would even have been heavily promoted to the mainstream at the time... but I bet it would have smashed critics' lists, and to this day would be often listed among the "greatest live albums ever" or even thought of by serious music-heads as P's best album. It would just be a crowning achievement for P, reaching 1000s of times as many people as it has, and essentially saying, "This is just me, the greatest popular musician of our time, at my absolute peak, jamming it out for a group of lucky folks at a some small aftershow venue... and don't it beat anything else you've ever fucking heard?"

LewArcher said:

A pro shot and pro produced live concert DVD in recent years. Can't walk in to the likes of Target, Big W, JB Hifi etc without seeing every other artist with at least one current offering in this category. I undertand experiecing the show on TV isn't a true "live" experience but neither is not experiencing anything at all. SO may great tours over the past 10 years....nothing but memories, snippets and dare I utter the B-word on here??? no I won't, but you know what I am alluding to.

controversy99 said:

LewArcher said:

He should have released the soundboard recording of Small Club, 2nd Show That Night between "Lovesexy" and "Batman" ... music lovers' heads would have freaking exploded.

The timing was perfect, too. I just checked the dates, and "Lovesexy" was released in May, 1988, while "Batman" was released in June, 1989. The final single from "Lovesexy," "I Wish U Heaven," was released in September of 1988, and only on the charts briefly (despite being awesome). The next single, "Batdance," wasn't released until June of 1989.

As the new year hit in 1989, Prince should have released the soundboard recording of "Small Club" without a ton of promotion or fanfare -- mostly as a special treat for his fans and those really into great music, in general. If he didn't want a 2-disc-set for various reasons, he would have to have cut about 25 minutes to get it all on one disk. I think, as great as that show is, this would be viable and possibly even improve it (as tough as that is to imagine), obv if done well. I know fans would furiously debate what to cut. Personally, I'd suggest cutting about 60% of the intro, just to get started when it's really cooking and also save more of the rest of the album, and then cut much of "People Without," which is cool for being improvised, but still a bit meandering and IMO not really up to the overall quality of the concert... and that still leaves us with a controversial 12-13 minutes to cut. As long as we keep DMSR, JMI, and ITYT, I could live with any other decision on that matter. However, while this may be unpopular, I would cut "Forever In Your Life," as I think "Still Would Stand All Time" is superior and comes directly afterwards, and also that SOTT is already well-repped by the energetic performance of "Housequake."

So, on December 27, 1988, a 4:00-ish "single edit" of DMSR (live) would be released to radio. Then on January 10, 1989, the live album, "Prince: Small Club, Second Show that Night" would be officially released, with a sort-of roughed up "bootleg" look to the artwork. The tracklist would be as follows:

Prince: Small Club, Second Show that Night

1. Instrumental Jam 4:55

2. DMSR 8:47

3. Just My Imagination 7:45

4. People Without 3:29

5. Housequake 4:32

6. Down Home Blues 8:47

7. Cold Sweat 9:35

8. Still Would Stand All Time 10:47

9. I'll Take You There 15:58

10. It's Gonna Be a Beautiful Night 2:40

11. Rave to the Joy Fantastic 2:11

Total Runtime: 77:26 (should barely fit on 1 CD)

And that still leaves a solid 6 months before "Batdance" and "Batman" come out, so the timing really isn't an issue. I think it's unlikely would have been a commercial smash, and I doubt it would even have been heavily promoted to the mainstream at the time... but I bet it would have smashed critics' lists, and to this day would be often listed among the "greatest live albums ever" or even thought of by serious music-heads as P's best album. It would just be a crowning achievement for P, reaching 1000s of times as many people as it has, and essentially saying, "This is just me, the greatest popular musician of our time, at my absolute peak, jamming it out for a group of lucky folks at a some small aftershow venue... and don't it beat anything else you've ever fucking heard?"

Love the idea. And he could STILL release Small Club today, and it would be big (just not as big). But I'm gonna have to disagree with your cuts almost entirely. Basically, R U crazy?! (I say jokingly) Here's my must keep and ok to cut list from that show: +- Intro instrumental. Keep first 4:00, which are absolutely crucial. That subtle build by Sheila and Dr. Fink is brilliant, crucial. Then you can edit the rest of it down to a slammin 7 to 8 minute track. ++ DMSR. Keep. -+ Just my imagination. You could actually cut the first two verses and choruses and start the track a little before the solo. ++ People Without. Keep the whole thing. The outro especially is genius. It's one of only two? performances of the song. I can't imagine cutting any of it. -- Housequake. Cut it entirely. It's nowhere near as good as the studio version. +/- Downhome Blues. Cut or keep. Doesn't matter much to me. It's a cool song, but I've heard others do it better. +/- Cold Sweat. Cut or keep. ++ Forever in My Life. Keep the whole thing. After JMI, this is the best performance on the album. Absolutely killer singing & playing by the whole band. +- Still Would Stand All Time. Keep but I'm ok with editing it for length. ++ I'll Take You There. Keep. This is the best cover on the album. -+ Rave. Keep. This is inspired and much better than the studio version. Some of the transition from I'll Take You There could be cut if needed. ++ Beautiful Night. Keep this snippet as it's a cool closing. [Edited 4/4/14 20:46pm]

that might be my favourite version of Housequake out there.

Genesia said:

Bambi82 said:

I'd personally love to have a soundboard/dvd of Jersey, 12/15/10.. TBO, Shh, Adore.. he was ON POINT that night. I still get goosebumps thinking about how perfect he did TBO.

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That show really was pretty damn amazing...especially the encore that never ended. Really good stuff. Much better than the next night at Madison Square.

The extended version of Computer Blue ,the alternitive versions of Darling Nikki & The Beutiful ones,

2010 Deluxe ,21 Nights In London DVD & Indigo Nights Cd 's,Montreux jazz festivall ,RoadHouse Garden ,The Rebels,

The Dream Factory,Any Dvds of Live Performaces through every year of his career ,

Elecctrum Plectrum .........and shit loads more that I have missed.

this wouldn't be within his power to do so, but i'd like a compilation of his tv performances. i think a lot of the stuff mentioned will eventually see the light of day, Cobo, Montroll (LOL!), but a Prince on TV DVD including Fury, Electric Jair, Leno(s), Fallon, Arsenio, MTV Awards, etc. would be stellar. He

datdude said:

this wouldn't be within his power to do so, but i'd like a compilation of his tv performances. i think a lot of the stuff mentioned will eventually see the light of day, Cobo, Montroll (LOL!), but a Prince on TV DVD including Fury, Electric Jair, Leno(s), Fallon, Arsenio, MTV Awards, etc. would be stellar. He

I actually found a six DVD set of his TV appearances a while back dating from 1980 to 2006.

how about all those EARLY minn music awards performances....