...think it's also fair to say Prince has never been afraid to play the hype/showmanship/bullshit (delete according to personal preference/ agenda/ interpretation) card in comments about his band.

The obvious one that springs to mind was if Brown Mark wasn't in the band he'd eliminate bass guitar from his music!.

This does not make Prince a bad person.

udo said:

luvsexy4all said:

why the excessive negativity on this site?

Why do you feel our slighly more normal (than the pink view from behind most people's glasses) criticism is negative?

Please look at the facts.

Yes, he's playing his old stuff quite generously.

Yes, he's doing such in great(!) ways, but still, it is old stuff.

Fortunately we now hav this Plectrum Electrum album coming ('this spring'). This album added some fresh songs to the setlist.

Nothing wrong with a well thought out critique but the Springsteen comparison/ tired old crap quote wasn't!

I don't think anyone could argue that the period from 2003-2012 wasn't essentially the same show, drawing on the same (albeit evolving) pool of material. However, 3rdEyeGirl is different from that, in terms of arrangements and setlists. Whether either of these is "good" or "bad" is a different question, worthy of debate to be sure - not what is essentially childish name calling!

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udo said:

udo said:

errant said:

udo said: And then come here to post about it incessantly. Yes, obsessed just as much as any insipid "fam" who frequents the site.

But the faM is obsessed and we aren't.

Interesting statement from someone who posts on practically every thread, yeah I dont think you're obsessed at all.

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honer said:

udo said:

But the faM is obsessed and we aren't.

Interesting statement from someone who posts on practically every thread, yeah I dont think you're obsessed at all.

See e.g. http://www.thefreediction...m/obsessed

And then notice that I do have other activities in my life besides reading and/or posting here,

also I can say no to shows - even if they are in my own country - while I saw most of the tours since 1990 in greater numbers of shows than most.

Then repeat I am obsessed.

It's just that I notice a disturbing trend (as does Bart) or two.

udo said:

honer said:

Interesting statement from someone who posts on practically every thread, yeah I dont think you're obsessed at all.

See e.g. http://www.thefreediction...m/obsessed

And then notice that I do have other activities in my life besides reading and/or posting here,

also I can say no to shows - even if they are in my own country - while I saw most of the tours since 1990 in greater numbers of shows than most.

Then repeat I am obsessed.

It's just that I notice a disturbing trend (as does Bart) or two.

RIGHT

honer said:

RIGHT

Great choice of words.

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I do think that a change of bass player helps.

Not being negavtive about the previous one, just a change of taste.

errant said:

Yes you are.

Great explanation from the people that go to shows and refuse to accept comments on flaws.

The lack of content really shows here.

iZsaZsa said:

Oh, joy; another Bart thread.

I interpreted Prince's statement as Rhonda Smith replacing Sonny T.

Prince states that a female bass player before Ida (there is only one, Rhonda Smith) didn't know as many songs as Ida did (when she first came to Prince) so had to learn 150 songs in one week before he replaced his existing bassist.

Though Prince doesn't name anyone specifically, the parties involved are pretty obvious, since Rhonda is Prince's only female bass player before Ida and Rhonda replaced Sonny T in '96.

In fact, it's pretty well known that most of the '94-'95 NPG (apart from Morris Hayes) were fired by Prince for 'bad behaviour' (tardniness, drugs, etc.).

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xtz said:

Adorecream said:

Exactly, the Boss played "Royals" by Lorde in his first show and the audience went ape shit. Bet you if Prince came here, he would think we are part of Australia and would only want to sleep with Lorde rather than showcase her music.

Good on Bruce for doing some great covers, even if they aren't my cup of tea.

But then we have to get into the mud slinging? Who even cares who Prince wants to sleep with If anything he seems to be surrounding himself only with talented females (both in and outside the core band) - which is a bit different from the mighty 1980s. Apollonia?

And as far as Bart's 'same old' comment:

Let's just compare the 2014 tour to 2012. Things have changed.

I'll make it easy.

2012: http://www.princevault.co..._May,_2012

2014: http://www.princevault.co...uary,_2014

Radically different. Different band. Different songs, different arrangements.

Good point. Those links clearly illustrate the differences in setlists.

I saw two of his recent shows with 3RDEYEGIRL in London and they were wildly different to any Prince shows I've seen before (and I've seen many) and no, they didn't include Shelby J (thank fuck) or any disco covers. Moreover, Shepherd's Bush was the best concert I've ever attended by any artist.

udo said:

OperatingThetan said:

I interpreted Prince's statement as Rhonda Smith replacing Sonny T.

Prince states that a female bass player before Ida (there is only one, Rhonda Smith) didn't know as many songs as Ida did (when she first came to Prince) so had to learn 150 songs in one week before he replaced his existing bassist.

Though Prince doesn't name anyone specifically, the parties involved are pretty obvious, since Rhonda is Prince's only female bass player before Ida and Rhonda replaced Sonny T in '96.

In fact, it's pretty well known that most of the '94-'95 NPG (apart from Morris Hayes) were fired by Prince for 'bad behaviour' (tardniness, drugs, etc.).

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I have no idea how you could have possibly come up with your interpretation.

He [Prince] said: "My old bass player, who shall remain nameless, didn't know as many songs as Ida.

"She had to learn 150 to get the gig and she did it. So I sacked my old bass player."

The person Prince refers to getting the old bass player's position is clearly Ida. The person he worked with before choosing Ida is the one he "sacked".

udo said:

wonder505 said:

He's obviously obsessed with Prince.

Rather the opposite.

After being slightly obsessed you wake up every now and then.

You put the pink glasses away and see the real picture.

This might happen after seeing a full tour or sooner; it all depends on you. (I've been there)

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You learn to differentiate between the music and the man, the person, the actions, the reality.

In that state you can more easily point out certain flaws.

That's a nice way to rationalize an obsession.

the fact that anyone follows an artist for so long even though he stopped respecting the man and the music for more than 10 years is obsessed.

I dont wanna deter from the topic but just to follow up on your point.

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150 Songs!

BartVanHemelen said:

bashraka said:

http://www.list.co.uk/article/59066-prince-sacked-bass-player/

Prince sacked his old bass player because he didn't know enough songs and Ida Nielson was able to learn more than him.

Prince sacked his old bass player because he didn't know enough songs.

The 'Purple Rain' hitmaker, who continues to excite fans with a number of gigs in the UK, decided to get rid of the musician when he met Ida Nielson, who later joined his all-girl band 3RDEYEGIRL.

He said: "My old bass player, who shall remain nameless, didn't know as many songs as Ida.

"She had to learn 150 to get the gig and she did it. So I sacked my old bass player."

They're playing the same dozen songs over and over again. This "150 songs" bullcrap is ridiculous.

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Look at Bruce Springsteen: tours Australia and New Zealand, plays a NEW COVER on each date, oh and the covers are songs by local artists who made it big.

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Prince? Still peddling the same tired crap year after year. And famz claim it is better than ever, because apparently Prince's legendary 1980s gigs and tours (i.e. the ones which were focused on NEW MUSIC) would obviously have been a lot more legendary if they'd featured a shouty woman and an endless cover of some disco tune.

Bart, I love you man!

Prince sacked Josh .Rhonda was busy touring with Jeff Beck so she couldnt play with Prince .

novabrkr said:

OperatingThetan said:

I interpreted Prince's statement as Rhonda Smith replacing Sonny T.

Prince states that a female bass player before Ida (there is only one, Rhonda Smith) didn't know as many songs as Ida did (when she first came to Prince) so had to learn 150 songs in one week before he replaced his existing bassist.

Though Prince doesn't name anyone specifically, the parties involved are pretty obvious, since Rhonda is Prince's only female bass player before Ida and Rhonda replaced Sonny T in '96.

In fact, it's pretty well known that most of the '94-'95 NPG (apart from Morris Hayes) were fired by Prince for 'bad behaviour' (tardniness, drugs, etc.).

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I have no idea how you could have possibly come up with your interpretation.

He [Prince] said: "My old bass player, who shall remain nameless, didn't know as many songs as Ida.

"She had to learn 150 to get the gig and she did it. So I sacked my old bass player."

The person Prince refers to getting the old bass player's position is clearly Ida. The person he worked with before choosing Ida is the one he "sacked".

I would have liked to hear more from Andrew Gouche from last year....whatever happened to him?

babynoz said:

novabrkr said:

I have no idea how you could have possibly come up with your interpretation.

He [Prince] said: "My old bass player, who shall remain nameless, didn't know as many songs as Ida.

"She had to learn 150 to get the gig and she did it. So I sacked my old bass player."

The person Prince refers to getting the old bass player's position is clearly Ida. The person he worked with before choosing Ida is the one he "sacked".

I would have liked to hear more from Andrew Gouche from last year....whatever happened to him?

According to his twitter he's still with Prince, I think once the 3EG album is done he's going to revisit the boy band with him and Ronald Bruner, unless he changes his mind again.

lezama said:

babynoz said:

I would have liked to hear more from Andrew Gouche from last year....whatever happened to him?

According to his twitter he's still with Prince, I think once the 3EG album is done he's going to revisit the boy band with him and Ronald Bruner, unless he changes his mind again.

Thanks, that would be cool.

I love Ida, but Prince needs to hire MonoNeon. He could be to Prince what Bootsy was for James Brown. I'm going to keep repping this guy, because its ridiculous that someone this talented and adventurous is going unnoticed.

Amazing bass player, thanks for posting.

Rhonda knew her stuff. At the ONA soundcheck at Hammersmith Apollo on 5th Oct 2002, Prince sat at the drums, with Rhonda on bass. As I recall, he played a moment of something, then someone in the crowd shouted out, "Play Tambourine". Prince turned to Rhonda and asked, "Do you know that one?" She gave him a look, "Of course!" And off they went.

Was that song in any setlists during Rhonda's many years with Prince?

Where in the quote does it say "female bass player before Ida"? And Rhonda has played with him for so long, that would be a pretty late realization.

Didn't Josh play with Prince for a extended time? He was with him for the Vegas Rio stint through the Superbowl halftime. It seems weird that he would keep him around that long if there was a problem. I think there was probably a bassist who is unknown to us who auditioned and couldn't keep up so Prince brought in Ida.

lrn36 said:

Didn't Josh play with Prince for a extended time? He was with him for the Vegas Rio stint through the Superbowl halftime. It seems weird that he would keep him around that long if there was a problem. I think there was probably a bassist who is unknown to us who auditioned and couldn't keep up so Prince brought in Ida.

He was there for 21 Nights in London and the Lotusflow3r era.