cindymay said:

EddieC said:

Were they in the studio together? Or is this another case of tracks being passed back and forth and him just adding his bits and sending it back?

If they were actually together, and she actually gave feedback in real time, and had him do another pass at a vocal (or whatever else he contributed) until it met her standards--well, maybe we could say she produced him. I'm guessing (until I'm told otherwise) that it's more like Prince's contributions to the Kate Bush, No Doubt, or Ani Difranco tracks from the past. They had close to completed tracks to which he added, doing his stuff on his own using his own methods, and she had to take it or leave it (though in this case I suppose there was a written verse that he had to put where it already was)--he followed her lead more than he might have with Bush and No Doubt (which he messed with so much that they had problems keeping the tracks going more or less where they wanted without just getting rid of him entirely). He played nice on someone else's playground--as he seemed to with Ani, instead of running roughshod over seomeone else's vision, as he did with Bush and No Doubt. Perhaps it was just a matter of Difranco and Monae communicating to him what parameters they wanted him to stay within, and the other acts didn't do that.

I don't see how this tracks suggests that Prince should have Monae or anyone else produce him, as in guiding the recording of his own song. I like what Monae came up with, quite a bit, but it's a Monae song, featuring Prince. I doubt that he would allow someone else to have much control over his own material.

janelle said they were in the studio together yes ..she said it on the bet awards red carpet..yes of course it's a monae song it's her song featuring prince

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How much detail did she go into on the red carpet? I haven't read anything where she clarifies anything about how it worked. I know they've been in the studio together (going a ways back, probably before this track was worked on), but how did this track really go down? Did he come in, do his bit, and leave (as with his appearance on "Stand Back"--or did she really tell him what to do? I don't doubt she could--she clearly knows what she wants, and I'm blown away by what I've heard (when my copies of Metropolis and Archandroid get here (I hope tomorrow) I plan to spend the rest of the week listening to nothing but Monae). I'm not questioning her bonafides as an artist, or as a producer of her own work. I'm wondering exactly how much she did, in order to figure out whether Prince really would allow anyone to do much producing of him (particularly in connection with something that was "his song"). In other words, I'm questioning Prince's ability to work with a producer, turning over a significant amount of control to someone else. Let's remember, the only time he's had an outside producer was when he was a symbol and the guest producer was "Prince." In other words--I don't think Prince is up to being produced by someone else. I don't think it's part of his bag of tricks.

As to what you bolded in my post. Yes, I know it's Monae's song. I was reminding other people (fishwillbite, for example, or djj) of that fact. My point was that people are moving from the success of this track (as I said, a Monae song featuring Prince) to wanting Monae--or some other producer--to produce Prince (a completely different proposition). That's what I think doesn't make sense.

So, while I wait for Prince to release another Prince-produced opus, I'm gonna spend some of that time listening to Monae's Monae-produced work.

Curious if anybody who's had a listen to the whole album is hearing Prince on any other tracks besides Givin Em What They Love?

It's Prince we're talking about here, so, just because he's only credited for contributing to one track doesn't necessarily mean there's not additional uncredited "ghost contributions" somewhere on the album. I'm not saying there are, just wondering, anyone think they hear him elsewhere?

BobGeorge909 said:

Stevie produced him. And that fool's blind! I would presume George prodhced the track on his album...paradigm...but i dont know for sure. Its rare but kts not a 'never.' I suppose paradigm was a co-production after googling it. [Edited 9/8/13 9:00am] And kiss was by jn large a mazarati production featuring prknce. I believe they got production credit on the album. [Edited 9/8/13 9:13am]

Princevault leaves open the possibility that Prince's guitar was recorded separately from Stevie's basic tracks. "Paradigm" was, I believe, a back and forth thing (George does his, Prince does his). Mazarati (and David Z.) got a barebones guitar and vocal, recorded the whole track on their own, and then Prince took what they did (without working with them at any point), dropped a bit, added a bit, did the vocal, and called it a day. He didn't take a bit of instruction from them at any point, or work with them as "his producer" on the track. He just took what they had done and claimed it as his, and worked from there. Credit was given to David Z (as arranger) and to Mazarati (for background vocals). So, minor session work (possibly actually produced on his own) for Stevie, a track which takes portions written and produced by George and puts them with portions written and produced by Prince, and a track written by Prince, mostly produced and recorded by David Z and Mazarati, and then produced and finished by Prince.

None of which suggests anything about what would happen if Prince went into a studio with his songs and another person handling production duty.

BobGeorge909 said:

Cuz producers only work in one way...right? They get in bed with the talent ant product ensues. Producer/artist stems from close to distant. U dont havetobe in the same rooma s someone to produce them. But whatever...ure right. Despite stevies credits saying he produced it.

You're right, they do work in different ways. But I wonder what it really means to say someone is producing someone when that someone is doing their part hundreds or thousands of miles away at a completely different time. Stevie's responsible, ultimately, for what's on that track. If Prince recorded it on his own somewhere else (and I don't know that he did), Stevie produced it in much the same way that Prince produced Clare Fisher's contributions over the years, by sending him what he'd already done and taking or leaving what his contributor recorded on his own, somewhere else.

Perhaps the real thing is that "producing" doesn't have a clear meaning. What a producer contributes varies considerably. One producer might be intimately involved in almost every aspect of realizing a recording--someone else might have more of a consultant role. And everything that lies between those extremes. Sure, there's a credit for production, and that's the person who "produced" the recording (unless, or course, it isn't--and as people on a Prince site, we should be aware that credits don't always tell the truth), but if we mean letting someone else have real input into what Prince himself does or does not do on a track that will go out as "Prince"--yeah, I don't really see that happening. And if Stevie's track suggests to you (or anyone else) where an outside producer can take Prince's own work? Well, okay. It doesn't do that for me. And neither does Monae's.

Loving Prince's falsetto on this! Yassss!

EddieC said:

BobGeorge909 said:

Cuz producers only work in one way...right? They get in bed with the talent ant product ensues. Producer/artist stems from close to distant. U dont havetobe in the same rooma s someone to produce them. But whatever...ure right. Despite stevies credits saying he produced it.

You're right, they do work in different ways. But I wonder what it really means to say someone is producing someone when that someone is doing their part hundreds or thousands of miles away at a completely different time. Stevie's responsible, ultimately, for what's on that track. If Prince recorded it on his own somewhere else (and I don't know that he did), Stevie produced it in much the same way that Prince produced Clare Fisher's contributions over the years, by sending him what he'd already done and taking or leaving what his contributor recorded on his own, somewhere else.

Perhaps the real thing is that "producing" doesn't have a clear meaning. What a producer contributes varies considerably. One producer might be intimately involved in almost every aspect of realizing a recording--someone else might have more of a consultant role. And everything that lies between those extremes. Sure, there's a credit for production, and that's the person who "produced" the recording (unless, or course, it isn't--and as people on a Prince site, we should be aware that credits don't always tell the truth), but if we mean letting someone else have real input into what Prince himself does or does not do on a track that will go out as "Prince"--yeah, I don't really see that happening. And if Stevie's track suggests to you (or anyone else) where an outside producer can take Prince's own work? Well, okay. It doesn't do that for me. And neither does Monae's.

Excellent assment!! Especially the bolded...

Does anyone know who else is playing guitar on this album?

Kellindo Parker, I hope.

dustoff said:

Kellindo Parker, I hope.

Cool. Thanks, I'll have to check him out.

EddieC said:

EddieC said:

cindymay said:

janelle said they were in the studio together yes ..she said it on the bet awards red carpet..yes of course it's a monae song it's her song featuring prince

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How much detail did she go into on the red carpet? I haven't read anything where she clarifies anything about how it worked. I know they've been in the studio together (going a ways back, probably before this track was worked on), but how did this track really go down? Did he come in, do his bit, and leave (as with his appearance on "Stand Back"--or did she really tell him what to do? I don't doubt she could--she clearly knows what she wants, and I'm blown away by what I've heard (when my copies of Metropolis and Archandroid get here (I hope tomorrow) I plan to spend the rest of the week listening to nothing but Monae). I'm not questioning her bonafides as an artist, or as a producer of her own work. I'm wondering exactly how much she did, in order to figure out whether Prince really would allow anyone to do much producing of him (particularly in connection with something that was "his song"). In other words, I'm questioning Prince's ability to work with a producer, turning over a significant amount of control to someone else. Let's remember, the only time he's had an outside producer was when he was a symbol and the guest producer was "Prince." In other words--I don't think Prince is up to being produced by someone else. I don't think it's part of his bag of tricks.

As to what you bolded in my post. Yes, I know it's Monae's song. I was reminding other people (fishwillbite, for example, or djj) of that fact. My point was that people are moving from the success of this track (as I said, a Monae song featuring Prince) to wanting Monae--or some other producer--to produce Prince (a completely different proposition). That's what I think doesn't make sense.

So, while I wait for Prince to release another Prince-produced opus, I'm gonna spend some of that time listening to Monae's Monae-produced work.

don't know the details she was just asked: were you in the studio together for the track? and she said yes of course..and that she was in the studio with every guest...she was on the red carpet she hadn't so much time..she also said she was honored to have had the chance to produce him and that meant the world to her seeing that he trusted her to that point...they seem to have a really good relationship..if you are interested in her work after metropolis and archandroid you can check out the audition, a sort of mixtape, lot of tracks are acoustic she was like 18 years old at the time but some material on that is already good for being her first songs written when she was basically a teen ..you can find it only on line though because she released that fully indipendently selling copies directly in her concerts at atlanta university before she had a record deal..

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BobGeorge909 said:

I still have an inkling that prince penned the last verse. Probably not, it just seems uncharacteristically sexual for her. There's this sexual swagger in that last verse that doesnt seem like her. She followed me to the lobby, looking for some undercover love...saucy. is this Nikkis, cousin or sister or summin', perving people in hotel lobbies. Edit: maybe in this day and age, it would be Nikki's daughter or niece [Edited 9/8/13 9:17am]

but I noticed janelle is definitely more sexual in her lyrics in this album on this,on primetime, the all booty don't like concept in q.u.e.e.n...her naked butt painting( like the ones she painted on stage last year that were the inspiration for the title) stamped on the cd...

djThunderfunk said:

dustoff said:

Kellindo Parker, I hope.

Cool. Thanks, I'll have to check him out.

yes he's maceo parker's nephew

djThunderfunk said:

dustoff said:

Kellindo Parker, I hope.

Cool. Thanks, I'll have to check him out.

yes he's maceo parker's nephew

cindymay said:

djThunderfunk said:

Cool. Thanks, I'll have to check him out.

yes he's maceo parker's nephew

No ?!?

That is cool!

cindymay said:

EddieC said:

How much detail did she go into on the red carpet? I haven't read anything where she clarifies anything about how it worked. I know they've been in the studio together (going a ways back, probably before this track was worked on), but how did this track really go down? Did he come in, do his bit, and leave (as with his appearance on "Stand Back"--or did she really tell him what to do? I don't doubt she could--she clearly knows what she wants, and I'm blown away by what I've heard (when my copies of Metropolis and Archandroid get here (I hope tomorrow) I plan to spend the rest of the week listening to nothing but Monae). I'm not questioning her bonafides as an artist, or as a producer of her own work. I'm wondering exactly how much she did, in order to figure out whether Prince really would allow anyone to do much producing of him (particularly in connection with something that was "his song"). In other words, I'm questioning Prince's ability to work with a producer, turning over a significant amount of control to someone else. Let's remember, the only time he's had an outside producer was when he was a symbol and the guest producer was "Prince." In other words--I don't think Prince is up to being produced by someone else. I don't think it's part of his bag of tricks.

As to what you bolded in my post. Yes, I know it's Monae's song. I was reminding other people (fishwillbite, for example, or djj) of that fact. My point was that people are moving from the success of this track (as I said, a Monae song featuring Prince) to wanting Monae--or some other producer--to produce Prince (a completely different proposition). That's what I think doesn't make sense.

So, while I wait for Prince to release another Prince-produced opus, I'm gonna spend some of that time listening to Monae's Monae-produced work.

don't know the details she was just asked: were you in the studio together for the track? and she said yes of course..and that she was in the studio with every guest...she was on the red carpet she hadn't so much time..she also said she was honored to have had the chance to produce him and that meant the world to her seeing that he trusted her to that point...they seem to have a really good relationship..if you are interested in her work after metropolis and archandroid you can check out the audition, a sort of mixtape, lot of tracks are acoustic she was like 18 years old at the time but some material on that is already good for being her first songs written when she was basically a teen ..you can find it only on line though because she released that fully indipendently selling copies directly in her concerts at atlanta university before she had a record deal..

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I actually listened to half of Electric Lady and then decided to start from the beginning with The Audition, so I listened to it, and then placed my order for the others.

EddieC said:

cindymay said:

don't know the details she was just asked: were you in the studio together for the track? and she said yes of course..and that she was in the studio with every guest...she was on the red carpet she hadn't so much time..she also said she was honored to have had the chance to produce him and that meant the world to her seeing that he trusted her to that point...they seem to have a really good relationship..if you are interested in her work after metropolis and archandroid you can check out the audition, a sort of mixtape, lot of tracks are acoustic she was like 18 years old at the time but some material on that is already good for being her first songs written when she was basically a teen ..you can find it only on line though because she released that fully indipendently selling copies directly in her concerts at atlanta university before she had a record deal..

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I actually listened to half of Electric Lady and then decided to start from the beginning with The Audition, so I listened to it, and then placed my order for the others.

very professional starting from the beginning

djThunderfunk said:

cindymay said:

yes he's maceo parker's nephew

No ?!?

That is cool!

yes it is

cindymay said:

EddieC said:

I actually listened to half of Electric Lady and then decided to start from the beginning with The Audition, so I listened to it, and then placed my order for the others.

very professional starting from the beginning

It's probably neurotic, really. But it's the way I tend to do things.

cindymay said:

BobGeorge909 said:

And if eddie c and cindymay switched names, she'd be Cindy C and he'b EddieM Id still be bobgeorge tho

C's my middle initial--my actual last name begins with an M. I just didn't feel like dealing with that--and I think I actually may have had an account here as EddieM at some point, but I couldn't remember, so I just made a new one.

BobGeorge909 said:

And if eddie c and cindymay switched names, she'd be Cindy C and he'b EddieM Id still be bobgeorge tho

BobGeorge909 said:

cindymay said:

but I noticed janelle is definitely more sexual in her lyrics in this album on this,on primetime, the all booty don't like concept in q.u.e.e.n...her naked butt painting( like the ones she painted on stage last year that were the inspiration for the title) stamped on the cd...

Actually the booty dont lie line isnt sexual. More to do with honesty...kind of...

yes you're right even though a lot of people tend to see it as sexual reference..but people are usually really slow yesterday when she was talking about androids on twitter people thought she was talking about the phone the world is not ready she's ahead of her time

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cindymay said:

BobGeorge909 said:

cindymay said: Actually the booty dont lie line isnt sexual. More to do with honesty...kind of...

yes you're right even though a lot of people tend to see it as sexual reference..but people are usually really slow yesterday when she was talking about androids on twitter people thought she was talking about the phone the world is not ready she's ahead of her time

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Or maybe she is a bit behind? The term android refers to more than just a robot these days.

Farfunknugin said:

Is Prince playing guitar on this track?

yes. lead. (I just got the CD in the mail)