Me personally I loved the sampler set in Vegas but many complain that its not authentic cause the band not actually playing and prince just taking easy way out by not having to teach songs to band.Is this Prince being lazy?

i wish everybody would shut up about the sampler sets.. i got a alphabet street bass jam from Prince because of the sampler set.. Prince couldn't possibly play all of the sampler set songs in full, especially not after already performing an hour in a half show, twice a day! No, he's not lazy.. at all, he knows that not everyone in the venue bout tickets to see songs only hard cores know.. he does it to try and appease the audience ( the casuals at the show). i dont mind the sampler sets at all. especially not when he jams on bass to the tracks.

A lot of similarities between sampler sets and turntablism.

Even if there is a more more poignant physical presence to the musicality when Prince incorporates other instruments (voice, bass, or when the band is incorporated) into the sampler set, both are art.

Both are "real."

Prince has fully realized bands who know a back catalogue of his material and can play it note for note at his whim.

Simply put, the differences in sitting at a CPU and cueing and manipulating a program to play his tracks vs calling out/waving his hand/cue-ing the band for a change in that moment on stage require about as much effort.

A few mouse clicks as an easy out compared to verbal/non-verbal cues? How about both are easy?

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GuyBros said:

A lot of similarities between sampler sets and turntablism.

Even if there is a more more poignant physical presence to the musicality when Prince incorporates other instruments (voice, bass, or when the band is incorporated) into the sampler set, both are art.

Both are "real."

Prince has fully realized bands who know a back catalogue of his material and can play it note for note at his whim.

Simply put, the differences in sitting at a CPU and cueing and manipulating a program to play his tracks vs calling out/waving his hand/cue-ing the band for a change in that moment on stage require about as much effort.

A few mouse clicks as an easy out compared to verbal/non-verbal cues? How about both are easy?

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hmmm..sounds like microwave vs stovetop cooking

OMG, how many times do we.........

kidmelody2012 said:

GuyBros said:

A lot of similarities between sampler sets and turntablism.

Even if there is a more more poignant physical presence to the musicality when Prince incorporates other instruments (voice, bass, or when the band is incorporated) into the sampler set, both are art.

Both are "real."

Prince has fully realized bands who know a back catalogue of his material and can play it note for note at his whim.

Simply put, the differences in sitting at a CPU and cueing and manipulating a program to play his tracks vs calling out/waving his hand/cue-ing the band for a change in that moment on stage require about as much effort.

A few mouse clicks as an easy out compared to verbal/non-verbal cues? How about both are easy?

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hmmm..sounds like microwave vs stovetop cooking

To simply answer your question: no. He is not being lazy.

Pre-empting the "you just want to shit on the set" comments by frontloading a "I LOVED THE SET" doesn't mean shit if it seems pretty obvious you are only saying so as a means to be able to access being an asshole without dealing the consequences of it. Which is what some people think you are interested in doing as it appears this account could possibly be a sock puppet.

If it's TRUE that you enjoyed the set, then do you agree with the naysayers that it is inauthentic? That it is lazy?

I'll not consider your comparison of stove vs microwave cooking as it seems intentionally used to play to others prejudices of inferiority.

And since you are a "fan" of the sampler set, I'll use an analogy that has more positives associated with it.

I'd more use the comparison of say driving a luxury automatic vs driving a manual. The car would be the medium like the band or the program. Both get you where you want. And both are enjoyable to ride in. One requires more "work" but probably not in any meaningful measurable way that really detracts from the experience of traveling (which the concert experience is in this analogy).

You when you are in a car and someone keeps changing the radio station every few seconds..

Or when someone is playing a CD but keeps skipping though tracks? It's annoying as F K

Thats what it reminds me of

If he wants to sing a karaoke song fine

But that sampler set of bits and pieces doesn't even mix or blend together

The Minneapolis genius should be embarrassed

YUP!

See http://prince.org/msg/7/396755....

He needs to not waste time with a sampler set.

YUP

this thread subject is repeated often..BUT it's so true. It shows a total lack of confidence..it's NOT fun and is a waste of time. Listened to the recent boot of April 31st / May 1st LOL tour and this set ruins it!. But it's his pary and we know he only does what he wants, when he wants!

Piano Medley = Fantastic!

Acoustic Guitar Medley = Outstanding!

Sampler Set = Crap!!

The sampler set is to musicians what lipsyncing is to singers.

In my not-so-humble opinion, of course...

the reason why Prince is doing these sampler sets:

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It is a way -an easy way- to remind people -especially the newbies- about just HOW COOL Prince's sound used to be back then, from when he was great.

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He wanna show us the cool sound, the sound that is missing from his music today... (missing, since he left Warner Bros.).

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He also wanna tease the audience, and wanna make us go out and buy these song, instead of just "enjoying the concert".

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Sampler set = an advertiser = advertising to the new audience (newbies)...

The sampler set is a good way of seperating the hits and what they used to sound like from the rock concert with 3rd eye girl. It is just as much of a statement, as it is pleasing general public imo.

He's like
"if you want my hits, I'll be a dj and play them like they sound on record, or I'll play other stuff live for those who are interested in new or obscure Prince."

"If you want my hits, go listen to my albums!"

"I'm so bored playing all these hits on this sampler set. But I'll do it anyways for you. I need to entertain myself now, so I'll slap this bass for a minute."

Replica said:

The sampler set is a good way of seperating the hits and what they used to sound like from the rock concert with 3rd eye girl. It is just as much of a statement, as it is pleasing general public imo.

He's like
"if you want my hits, I'll be a dj and play them like they sound on record, or I'll play other stuff live for those who are interested in new or obscure Prince."

"If you want my hits, go listen to my albums!"

"I'm so bored playing all these hits on this sampler set. But I'll do it anyways for you. I need to entertain myself now, so I'll slap this bass for a minute."

But does the sampler set really include the hits? Look at the list below, taken from Princevault. When Doves Cry was a huge hit, Sign 'O' the Times a moderate hit, A Love Bizarre a minor hit. The rest?

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YUP

Is Prince playing a few classic jams and having fun for a few minutes

really an "issue" that deserves so many threads?"

YUP

EMPEROR101 said:

Is Prince playing a few classic jams and having fun for a few minutes

really an "issue" that deserves so many threads?"

If we'd want to hear the records, we'd go to the piratebay or the wreckastow (if such entities still exist). Or just get the CD from our own shelves.

We'd not have to pay for that. And we'd be in the comfort of our own homes.

We're at the concert location for the real music, real musicans thing.

Not for some type of DJ thing.

Why can't he do a show of just a number of songs?

Hey, the set was great. The sampler part was a BONUS that didn't detract from a show. If the set had ended, it'd have been fine.

If people chose to stick around so they could be annoyed by it, that's on them.

In my thoroughly biased opinion, encore's don't have to make sense. That people have an expectation or that encores should have to fit within some grand scheme to me detracts from their intent.

It's like when a child gets Christmas gifts they didn't want and acts pissed off about it. It looks tacky as hell because a gift probably shouldn't be an expectation, and gifts can be expressions of love. This type of complaining, especially from people who weren't even there, seems about as absurd, if not even more absurd, that that spoiled Christmas kid.

Now, what I personally like about the sampler part was that it seemed organic and not overly thought out. And playful. That's what I liked about it. And it was nice and nostalgic. I would have paid for the price without the set anyhow and absolutely felt it was worth it, and the sampler set in addition to it was a nice little bonus.

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GuyBros said:

Hey, the set was great. The sampler part was a BONUS that didn't detract from a show.

So the main show was even shorter!?

Maybe we can compare the Dakota rock shows to the LOL tour shows?

GuyBros said:

kidmelody2012 said:

hmmm..sounds like microwave vs stovetop cooking

To simply answer your question: no. He is not being lazy.

Pre-empting the "you just want to shit on the set" comments by frontloading a "I LOVED THE SET" doesn't mean shit if it seems pretty obvious you are only saying so as a means to be able to access being an asshole without dealing the consequences of it. Which is what some people think you are interested in doing as it appears this account could possibly be a sock puppet.

If it's TRUE that you enjoyed the set, then do you agree with the naysayers that it is inauthentic? That it is lazy?

I'll not consider your comparison of stove vs microwave cooking as it seems intentionally used to play to others prejudices of inferiority.

And since you are a "fan" of the sampler set, I'll use an analogy that has more positives associated with it.

I'd more use the comparison of say driving a luxury automatic vs driving a manual. The car would be the medium like the band or the program. Both get you where you want. And both are enjoyable to ride in. One requires more "work" but probably not in any meaningful measurable way that really detracts from the experience of traveling (which the concert experience is in this analogy).

my analogy was brillant

I have said it before so i'll say it again-

Just because there's a bunch of fanatics in the world-

that want to own and know about the sounds Prince makes when he's sitting on the toilet...

that doesn't mean that there aren't a lot of lesser fans that don't eat & sleep "Prince"

its not that big a deal and Prince obviously enjoys doing it!

I guarantee you that any reviewer that has seen the new (LOL) tour

most likely didnt see him in london doing the sampler sets in 2007..

Nor did all of them catch the W2A shows..

Only people that don't know anything about putting on a show would expect

to follow the same musician around and to see something different each time.

(IMO) anyone that would get bent out of shape & disappointed over paying money

to see a man play his ass off with a live band-

and then would let a few minutes of that same musician

rocking out to some of his own tunes from back in the day-

either on a boombox, or a sampler or whatever, ruin the concert experience..

probably needs to put down the purple koolaid for a while

because they have a problem..

Not Prince.

EMPEROR101 said:

that doesn't mean that there aren't a lot of lesser fans that don't eat & sleep "Prince"

its not that big a deal and Prince obviously enjoys doing it!

Lesser fans ponying up the LOl tour tiocket prices?

They must be pretty desperate. This wasn't a farewell tour.

I guarantee you that any reviewer that has seen the new (LOL) tour

most likely didnt see him in london doing the sampler sets in 2007..

Newbie reviewers then.

Only people that don't know anything about putting on a show would expect

to follow the same musician around and to see something different each time.

Was this ever argued in this thread?

(IMO) anyone that would get bent out of shape & disappointed over paying money

to see a man play his ass off with a live band-

and then would let a few minutes of that same musician

rocking out to some of his own tunes from back in the day-

It is the way that rocking a few tunes is implemented.

either on a boombox, or a sampler or whatever, ruin the concert experience..

probably needs to put down the purple koolaid for a while

because they have a problem..

Not Prince.

Sure.

Prince doesn't dare to take risks w.r.t. setlists since 1995. (Purple Rain-less show? Only songs max 10 years old? No Larry-set?)

That's fact.

Then we see small venues, high ticket prices, shortish shows.

And a sampler set.

Then we have a problem?

Don't think so.

A short show can be filled well enough with live music by a full band.

One hour of show and then three encores over 30-40 minutes of time.

No sampler needed. Just pure music.

^^^ My point wasn't to disrespect you or anyone else-

I'm just giving the facts (IMO) ..

I know that there are MANY people that haven't seen Prince over 20 times since 1983 as i have-

I also know that many of these people WOULD pay the fee to see an artist of princes stature because Madonna who is talentless (IMO) asks for the same prices to see her lipsyncing, whore, stageshow..

I have a young niece thats only 6 years old who likes kiss & when doves cry & Michael Jackson-

If he played Kiss or When doves cry on his sampler or Sang MJs "don't stop till you get enough" with Shelby running around yelling and pumping up the crowd, These would be the most memorable moments to my little niece-

It sucks but these are the facts ..

It's not all about the diehards.

And Prince obviously has had moments in his career where he has catered to the diehards-

& moments where he tries to blend the two-

I think the sampler sets are simply him doing that..

I would bet money on it that he wouldn't pull that kinda thing at a jazz festival.

EMPEROR101 said:

^^^ My point wasn't to disrespect you or anyone else-

Where did I disrespect people?

I'm just giving the facts (IMO) ..

So did I.

I know that there are MANY people that haven't seen Prince over 20 times since 1983 as i have-

What does teh amount have to do with enjoying a show and seeing how the concept in the show fits together?

I summed up what was in the concept and what was wrong.

Therefor it is clear that mr P tries to please all, despite the context, because of the money.

I also know that many of these people WOULD pay the fee to see an artist of princes stature

So you are declaring the market sick.

most memorable moments to my little niece-

It sucks but these are the facts ..

Show her some videos of older shows. There's plenty on the net. Show her the 1995 tour. Show her the Werchter 1990 video. Show her Lovesexy. Show her ONA.

Only then show her 21 video's of the O2 and ask her about her thoughts.

It's not all about the diehards.

Paying that price for such a short show is pretty 'diehard'. I'd rather not die yet, not even hard, so I prefer 'hardcore'.

And Prince obviously has had moments in his career where he has catered to the diehards-

& moments where he tries to blend the two-

Guess what he has been doing for the past decade? (except a very few occasions)

I think the sampler sets are simply him doing that..

I would bet money on it that he wouldn't pull that kinda thing at a jazz festival.

There you do accept a concept! Now in what way is a jazz festival different from showcasing (trying out!) the 3rd eye girl band a bit? (because that is what it is)

Did you check what he played at North Sea Jazz 2011? Not much jazz.

^^^ I'm done with this conversation-

Good luck in getting Prince to stop doing what he feels is the best thing for Himself & His career.

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EMPEROR101 said:

^^^ My point wasn't to disrespect you or anyone else-

Where did I disrespect people?

Guess what he has been doing for the past decade? (except a very few occasions)

I think the sampler sets are simply him doing that..

I would bet money on it that he wouldn't pull that kinda thing at a jazz festival.

There you do accept a concept! Now in what way is a jazz festival different from showcasing (trying out!) the 3rd eye girl band a bit? (because that is what it is)

Did you check what he played at North Sea Jazz 2011? Not much jazz.