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Thread started 04/17/13 5:05pm

Shockedelicus

On the Fence about Diamonds & Pearls. Someone Influence Me!

So, I've been listening to Diamonds & Pearls lately, but I'm having a hard time telling if it's actually any good. The singles are brilliant, some of the best he's ever done, but some of it induces cringes the likes of which have never been seen on this Earth. Songs like Insatiable and Gett Off signify that it's the finale to the classic era that the self-titled album started, while songs like Jughead tell me that it was a desperate attempt to stay relevent. I get through the whole LP eagerly, other times I groan and turn it off halfway through any given Tony M. segment.

It's a weird problem, but I don't know whether or not I can consider it a good album. Orgers are viciously opinionated, so I figured you guys were the best place to turn. Convince me one way or the other.

That and I just like seeing you guys eat up an album. What do you think of D&P?

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Reply #1 posted 04/17/13 5:08pm

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Shockedelicus said:

So, I've been listening to Diamonds & Pearls lately, but I'm having a hard time telling if it's actually any good. The singles are brilliant, some of the best he's ever done, but some of it induces cringes the likes of which have never been seen on this Earth. Songs like Insatiable and Gett Off signify that it's the finale to the classic era that the self-titled album started, while songs like Jughead tell me that it was a desperate attempt to stay relevent. I get through the whole LP eagerly, other times I groan and turn it off halfway through any given Tony M. segment.

It's a weird problem, but I don't know whether or not I can consider it a good album. Orgers are viciously opinionated, so I figured you guys were the best place to turn. Convince me one way or the other.

That and I just like seeing you guys eat up an album. What do you think of D&P?

i think u should leap off the fence and run away (except for a few songs)

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Reply #2 posted 04/17/13 5:28pm

OnlyNDaUsa

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I think it suffers from trying to fill the CD.

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Reply #3 posted 04/17/13 6:16pm

Nivivrus

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It definitely has it's fair share of filler on it. But I still enjoy the album thoroughly each time I listen to it. Even the "weaker" songs on the album (I wouldn't call them weaker, but they're the songs I can only listen to when I'm in the right mood) get played when I listen to the album. The album is patchy at times though, there's no overlooking that.

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Reply #4 posted 04/17/13 8:18pm

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Good album! One of the few you can play from track one and never have to skip. Diamonds was more of an era....Mtv awards, Arsenio, the album cover, Maxi singles.....it was a new band, new look, yellow everything...a really fun year. One of my favs!!!!!

Prime aka The Kid

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I need u to shake Ur lil' ass n hips
I need u to grind like Ur working for tips
And give me what I need while we listen to PRINCE"
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Reply #5 posted 04/17/13 11:22pm

trax

one of my favs too!!
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Reply #6 posted 04/17/13 11:56pm

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I think it's half a good album. "Daddy Pop", "Walk Don't Walk" and "Push" are three of his all-time worst to me. I don't like "Jughead" or "Insatiable" either, though I don't think they're terrible.

I like the rest of the songs a lot... but as a start-to-finish album, I don't think that it's a good one.

[Edited 4/17/13 23:56pm]

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Reply #7 posted 04/18/13 2:40am

Shafty

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Sorry Shock, but I cannot influence you smile I don't think D&P has aged particularly well. It sounded reasonably fresh back in '91. Recalling it was Prince's first "non soundtrack" album for three years at the time, it had some very radio friendly tracks on it and was quite well received. Agree with you that there appears to be some "CD filler" on it, and considering some of the outtakes from the era, it could have been stonger. Even "Horny Pony" could have been saved in place of "Jughead." You will not find many orgers that are enamoured by the Tony M era. Just the line "Tony....get on the mic" still sends shivers down my spine to this day. My biggest personal gripe was buying the 12 inch version of "Gett Off" when it came out (Urge Mix or Houstyle from memory) and at the time thinking what a banging club tune it was, only to be massively disappointed with the album and single version.
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Reply #8 posted 04/18/13 4:13am

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Take off Push, Jughead and Walk Don't Walk. It works much better. Despite Tony M still showing up from time to time.
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Reply #9 posted 04/18/13 7:54am

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The two tracks I can't stand are jughead and well, only jughead come to think of it. I used to hate push, but a recent listen changed my opinion completely.
My first prince album, so I'm probably not fit to critique it, as nostalgia takes over.
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Reply #10 posted 04/18/13 8:17am

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kangafunk said:

The two tracks I can't stand are jughead and well, only jughead come to think of it. I used to hate push, but a recent listen changed my opinion completely. My first prince album, so I'm probably not fit to critique it, as nostalgia takes over.

same here! first one i fully listened to and would replay it 24/7 in my cd player often not skipping songs like daddy pop or jughead cause i was just a super curious prince fan and would take whatever i could get lol lol

welp
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Reply #11 posted 04/18/13 9:12am

mushmackalenta

It's good album.

It sounds of it's time, but that fine with me.

In the style of the needle drop, A strong 7 out of 10 for me. jug head is the only song i'd take off and I would replace it with Horny Pony.

What I didn't like where the maxi singles. Much prefer proper extended versions and b sides.
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Reply #12 posted 04/18/13 9:32am

Empress

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Good album! One of the few you can play from track one and never have to skip. Diamonds was more of an era....Mtv awards, Arsenio, the album cover, Maxi singles.....it was a new band, new look, yellow everything...a really fun year. One of my favs!!!!!

Not one of my top 5, but I do like the entire cd. There are some great songs on this cd, but I have to agree that Jughead is a bit lame, although I think it's a fun song too.

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Reply #13 posted 04/18/13 10:10am

emesem

A somewhat pedestrian album. Devoid of all the magic of the 80s era. Prince essentially assembled a band of technical profficient but uninspriing group of studio musicans, added two cute dancers and a "rapper" and called the rest of it in.

This was the first time I realized his best days were behind him. I give him credit for trying later to put a bit more effort in later releases (parts of symbol, Gold and Emancipation seemed at least he was trying) but if LoveSexy was the beginning of the beginning of the end. This was the end of the beginning of the end.

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Reply #14 posted 04/18/13 11:35am

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I can't stand Thunder. The over the top keyboards are cringe worthy. Meh

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Reply #15 posted 04/18/13 5:35pm

Milty

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I think it's a solid album. One or two songs kinda falter a little but I don't like everything on Purple Rain either. I mean, I actually can't listen to When Doves Cry anymore.

D&P was sort of at the start of my Prince love affair so it also has a lot of nostalgia. It also signified for me, a change for him and into a clear hit-making strategy which I also like.

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Reply #16 posted 04/18/13 6:53pm

SoulAlive

It's not a masterpiece but when it's good,it's really good ("Get Off","Cream","Strollin","Live 4 Love","Insatiable") music

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Reply #17 posted 04/18/13 6:55pm

SoulAlive

Farfunknugin said:

I can't stand Thunder. The over the top keyboards are cringe worthy. Meh

yeah,that song isn't one of my favorites,either wink

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Reply #18 posted 04/18/13 6:57pm

SoulAlive

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. "Daddy Pop", "Walk Don't Walk" and "Push" are three of his all-time worst to me.

I actually like "Walk Don't Walk" lol it's corny and sounds unfinished but I like it,for some reason,lol

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Reply #19 posted 04/18/13 9:24pm

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Good album, not great, but definitely in his top 30 albums wink

I'll rank the songs, favorite to least so, just for fun:

Great

1. Insatiable

2. Money Don't Matter 2 Night

3. Willing & Able

4. Diamond & Pearls

5. Strollin

6. Cream

7. Gett Off

Good

8. Walk Don't Walk

9. Live 4 Love

10. Push

Not So Much

11. Thunder

12. Daddy Pop

13. Jughead

And I'll just say, Gett Off would move up on the list if the drums weren't so loud, repetitive, and uninteresting. But it has some awesome vocals, lyrics, flute, guitar, and attitude, so it still makes it into the great category.

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Reply #20 posted 04/20/13 6:04am

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Between this and the symbol album I'll take this anyday. Thunder, Cream, Gett Off, Willing & Able, Walk, Insatiable are all stellar tracks. Yeah, the others are lame and haven't aged well at all. The early 90's was the first time I thought Prince was chasing rather than inventing. He recovered with Come/Gold Experience/Exodus.

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Reply #21 posted 04/20/13 9:25am

SANSKER7

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Take what you don't like and add Violet the organ grinder and Horny pony instead.

I think the vidio for Violet took me back to the P.R. days.... love it.

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Reply #22 posted 04/20/13 12:20pm

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SoulAlive said:



CrabalockerFishwife said:


. "Daddy Pop", "Walk Don't Walk" and "Push" are three of his all-time worst to me.




I actually like "Walk Don't Walk" lol it's corny and sounds unfinished but I like it,for some reason,lol



I'm with you on Walk Don't Walk, for me it's in the vein of Starfish & Coffee (not as good but in the same spirit).

I'm not as hot on Daddy Pop, Live 4 Love, or Thunder. He had so much quality material available, but I guess those particular songs appealed to him for whatever reason. I do remember the release kept getting delayed. I would go to the record store on the reported release date and leave dejected again and again. By the time it was actually released, I was rather underwhelmed with what was on the album. It's a mixed bag overall.
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Reply #23 posted 04/20/13 2:25pm

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Shockedelicus said:

So, I've been listening to Diamonds & Pearls lately, but I'm having a hard time telling if it's actually any good. The singles are brilliant, some of the best he's ever done, but some of it induces cringes the likes of which have never been seen on this Earth. Songs like Insatiable and Gett Off signify that it's the finale to the classic era that the self-titled album started, while songs like Jughead tell me that it was a desperate attempt to stay relevent. I get through the whole LP eagerly, other times I groan and turn it off halfway through any given Tony M. segment.

It's a weird problem, but I don't know whether or not I can consider it a good album. Orgers are viciously opinionated, so I figured you guys were the best place to turn. Convince me one way or the other.

That and I just like seeing you guys eat up an album. What do you think of D&P?

Okay how can u not make up ur mind with Gett OFf, Cream, Diamonds and pearls, willing and able, Strollin, money doesn't matter tonight, and insastiable on the album. I personally secretley am of fan of Jughead and Push. Thunder is alright and the rest of the album kinda falls off. This album is fantastic.

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Reply #24 posted 04/21/13 1:41pm

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SoulAlive said:

It's not a masterpiece but when it's good,it's really good ("Get Off","Cream","Strollin","Live 4 Love","Insatiable") music

Well put. Exchange "Live 4 Love" with "Money Don't Matter 2night" and I'd agree completely.

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