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Anyway, there are countless Prince songs in the 80s, or from 79-89 if you like, that can be considered classics in an exact same way as Adore and Kiss. I mentioned 20, but they could be 30 or even 40.
You may say you prefer, for example, Anotherlover over Kiss, or whatever, but it can't be denied that both are classics.
It was his genius period, like Stevie in the 70s, Dylan and the Beatles in the 60s, Aretha in the 60s, James Brown in the 60s, Ray Charles in the 50s. DOZENS of classics from each artist in their peak periods. [Edited 2/1/13 12:24pm] -Wtv u heard bout me is true,I change the rules n do what I wanna do.[Im n love w God,He's the only way - NOT!]We know we gotta die some day,so Im gon have fun evr MF night!Im gon 2 another life.How bout u?
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Well... Considering I was two years old in 1998, I'm just going to mention the songs That I enjoy
She Gave her angels Come On Baby Knows (Because he says "Venezuelan, Black and Pretty"and I'm venezuelan... Not sure about the "Black and Pretty" part tho) Last december Black Sweat Dreamer Ol' skool company | |
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No one here that thinks chelsea rodgers is a fine song?
Musicology is also a classic imho.
everlasting now, fury, black sweat, all good stuff... | |
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alot of people are talking about songs they like or good songs, that doesn't make them classic songs | |
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Well, I believe in the songs I listed. I think they can be considered classics, especially the first 5 or 6 ones. They wouldn't look bad between many other Prince classics from more prolific eras, even the 80s. And, besides, I think these songs can easily, IMO at least, be regarded as some of the best songs of the last decade, what would endorse them as something like a Classic. -Wtv u heard bout me is true,I change the rules n do what I wanna do.[Im n love w God,He's the only way - NOT!]We know we gotta die some day,so Im gon have fun evr MF night!Im gon 2 another life.How bout u?
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How would U answer the thread? Could you name recent Classic songs? What you think about it? [Edited 2/1/13 19:32pm] -Wtv u heard bout me is true,I change the rules n do what I wanna do.[Im n love w God,He's the only way - NOT!]We know we gotta die some day,so Im gon have fun evr MF night!Im gon 2 another life.How bout u?
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Often, whatever you/I/we consider a Prince classic isn't instantly galvanized as such in our brain.
Don't front fakers, I know that a lot of you/us weren't listening to Around The World in a Day in 1985 for the first time and listing "Tamborine" and "condition of the heart" as "classics". It is far more likely that you were confused as fuck about Prince's new sounds and everything besides "Pop Life", "Raspberry Beret", and "America". Vainandy knows.
It is easy to come around here now spouting off about how something "Life Can Be So Nice" is one of your all time favorite Prince songs, but I have trouble believing that it wasn't a long slow burn for it to get there.
For example, "And God Created Woman" is one of those Prince songs that just speaks to me. However, for the first 5 years of owning the
Also, I notice that, here at prince.org, people often don't judge material (especially new stuff) by what they REALLY like/love, but by what they DON'T like.
So, get back to me in 2 decades about what the "new classics" really are because people are now LOVING songs/albums from the 90's that were routinely hated/dogged on when they were released. Congrats Come, you made it to the cool kids table. That kinda thing is symptomatic of a Prince fan pattern that has gone on from 1985 until right now. Old Prince vs New Prince. Yawn. I am gonna have my cake and eat it too. "New Power slide...." |
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album I routinely skipped it and didn't really get in to it. At all.^ Agreed 100% with what you said. For me 90s classics are
Joy in Repetition (I consider it a 80s song for the Crystal Ball original version, but anyway) The Question of U Thieves in the Temple Gett Off Strollin' Cream Sexy MF My Name Is Prince And God Created Woman Pussy Control I Hate U Solo Pheromone I love U but I dont trust U anymore
All classics for me. I thought of My Computer, The Love We Make and Human Body from Emancipation, but I think they're slighty weaker than these ones above. So these above are absolute P 90s classics for me. And, same thing for his best 00's work, these 90s songs would easily enter a list of the decade's best rnb and best songs overall, IMO. Prince's 90s and 00s songs may not be contenders for best songs in pop music history, something that a lot of his 80s songs would hold up greatly, but they can be considered classics, in a more located way, of their periods, 4 SURE. [Edited 2/1/13 23:13pm] -Wtv u heard bout me is true,I change the rules n do what I wanna do.[Im n love w God,He's the only way - NOT!]We know we gotta die some day,so Im gon have fun evr MF night!Im gon 2 another life.How bout u?
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In my opinion from the last decade or so these songs will go down as classics: Last December (2001) Musicology (2004) Black Sweat (2006) Fury (Live On SNL) (2006) 3121 (2006) Future Baby Mama (2007) Colonized Mind (2009) Dreamer (2009) Future Soul Song (2010)
and maybe The Greatest Romance Ever Sold (1999)
but compare that to 1978-1991
Soft And Wet I Wanna Be Your Lover Why You Wanna Treat Me So Bad? Bambi Sexy Dancer I Feel For You Uptown Dirty Mind When You Were Mine Head Controversy Do Me, Baby Let's Work How Come U Don't Call Me Anymore 1999 Little Red Corvette Delirious Let's Pretend We're Married D.M.S.R. Something In The Water When Doves Cry 17 Days Let's Go Crazy Erotic City The Beautiful Ones Computer Blue Darling Nikki I Would Die 4 U Baby I'm A Star Purple Rain Raspberry Beret Paisley Park She's Always In My Hair Pop Life America Kiss Mountains Girls & Boys Anotherloverholenyohead Sign 'O' The Times The Ballad Of Dorothy Parker Starfish And Coffee U Got The Look If I Was Your Girlfriend I Could Never Take The Place Of Your Man Strange Relationship Adore Alphabet St. Glam Slam I Wish U Heaven Anna Stesia Batdance Partyman Scandalous Thieves In The Temple The Question Of U Joy In Repetition Gett Off Cream Diamonds And Pearls Money Don't Matter 2 Night
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Reflections maybe a fan classic, or close to being one; in the future;
Guitar will probably be;
Get On the Boat;
I don't see how 20Ten songs can be considered classic. most people don't even have the album or and the general population were never given access to it,...but like a few others have posted, for something to be classic it has to have been around for particular period of time and popular or known | |
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for me there are a few jams that are classic on the emanc cds [Edited 2/2/13 21:23pm] | |
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Call My Name, Dance 4 Me, Baby Knows, Somewhere Here On Earth, Reflection, Strange But True, She Loves Me 4 Me, The Dance, Colonized Mind, Future Soul Song. | |
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Anything post 80's is tough to compare since the songs were not part of popular culture/collective conscience. 1999, LRC, Purple Rain, Kiss etc were played everywhere, and Price was everywhere. Tough to ignore how much of a factor that plays in a song being a "classic".
As a long term fan I am extremely grateful for the quantity and quality of output Prince has manged to produce - plus the guy still looks the same whick keeps us young. [Edited 2/4/13 7:06am] | |
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That list crushes
add Sometimes It Snows In April, Housequake
Love or Money was big then too, 4 the Tears in Your Eyes & Hello classic in a historic period time, can't talk about the We Are the World project without these 2
man and if we connect the protege music of the 1980's...Cool, Get It Up, My Stick, 777-9311, Wild & Loose, the Walk (a few others from that album) Nasty Girls Jungle Love, the Bird, Ice Cream Castles, Sex Shooter, the Glamorous Life, A Love Bizarre and a few others from these and other protege albums WOW | |
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I agree with you mostly.
Except that many 90's Prince songs, like Diamonds and Pearls, Cream, 7, Pussy Control, and The Most Beautiful Girl in the World, are part of pop culture/collective consciousness.
Many "classics" that are being listed (even from the 80's) are really just fan favorites.
I mean, songs like "Something in the water", "Dorothy Parker" "Anna Stesia" and "Mountains" as beloved as they may be to Prince fans, are not widely known in a large pop culture sense that you are speaking of.
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even moreso are many of the later songs people are listing from 2000- into 20ten, are not classics even from a Prince fans perspective, how can anything from 20Ten be considered a classic.
For some reason when I think of classic, it's something that is about 10+ years old
the OP never stressed though it it's supposed to be judge by (general-hardcore) Prince fans or the general population | |
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Listening to ATWIAD that album pulled me in in a way PR didn't my sensibilities heard Controversy/1999/PR sounds and impressions all over that album
Condition of the Heart and Tamborine happen to be my top 3 favorites from that album and it was back in 1985 that they took me
I was one of those people that listened to how something was sung, all the background sounds and not so obvious instruments so those songs really took me
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Cool. But, do you think you were "the norm"? I like to think that you were an enlightened listener. Do you think that most of the fans gained by Purple Rain were as open minded and listening as you were? "New Power slide...." |
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lol I don't think most of Prince is ever the norm lol
I was 16 yrs old, There were probably a lot of more mature listeners who loved it, most of the Prince fan friends I knew ate the whole thing up, probably we were all thrown off by the sheer difference, but I don't think that made a difference
1 reason I loved Tamborine from the start was the drumming, I had a lot of associates and buds who were drummers and they love Prince the Time Sheila E drumming, and Tamborine was wild so we dug it easy.
that's that dark Prince wickedness I love that is similar to Darling nIkki and Tick Tick Bang 81 | |
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But it's not about solely instant/located popularity. Some songs (and albums) get to be recognized largely by the audience/critics/other artists, or even the three of them, as time passes. A case I instantly remembered is the song River Deep-Mountain High by Ike and Tina Turner that has landmark songwriting and production by Phil Spector. People would think today it was a monster hit in 1966. Yet it was released two times in the 60s and failed to chart. Still, after critical and other artists recognizement over the years, cover versions and a series of great live performances, it is today no doubt considered a classic.
You seem to be defending as classics songs that necessarily are very popular. But critical classics or cult classics both don't have to be popular, and are still classics anyway. Classics are not only the masterpieces that had the fortune to move the masses. From a critical or historian point of view, after decades, classics may also be considered songs that made the aesthetical canon, made very later, from this specialists' point of view. And these "historical classics" (let's put it these way) may very well have been little known songs by the time of their release. Yet, after the canon, it's these songs that will remain and not the popular forgotten ones. You could think in that sense, of artists like Donny Hathaway, who must have had only real hits with Roberta Flack, and, still, dozens of his solo songs are now considered classics. Or countless examples in the history of jazz, a genre within popular music likewise, which's classics we know today, many or most of the times, were not popular at their time, but are now the recordings people who get interest in jazz search, listen and buy.
And on the other hand, to illustrate more what I'm saying, if popularity and longevity were enough to make a classic, songs like that amazingly popular for decades (in America) "Dont stop beliving", which I find to be hideous, should, for it's populatiry and the longevity, be considered a classic. [Edited 2/4/13 18:39pm] -Wtv u heard bout me is true,I change the rules n do what I wanna do.[Im n love w God,He's the only way - NOT!]We know we gotta die some day,so Im gon have fun evr MF night!Im gon 2 another life.How bout u?
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I actually agree with you entirely.
For me popularity (immediate or otherwise) doesn't equate a classic and vice versa. As you have pointed out, there are MANY considerations/factors that go into what makes a song a classic.
My question is this: What standards are we using to measure/describe/proclaim Prince's classics?
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IMO:
"I Love U, But I Don't Trust U Anymore" "When "Call My Name" "The Marrying Kind" "If "3121" "Dreamer" "Dance 4 Me"
are classics.
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Lay My Hands On U"He's released many great tracks since 1998. Part of what is considered a "classic" has to do with a time and a place in music history. I think had a track like "I Love You, But I Don't Trust U Anymore" been included on SOTT or Parade, it would be widely considered a timeless classic Prince song.
But, since it was hidden away on an album that fared poorly commercially and was largely disdained by fans and critics, it's known only to die-hard fans.
Part of it is perception. It's hard for music to have as much impact as we get older and have so much of it. I remember when I was a kid listening to Prince records i'd spin them endlessly. The sheer volume of music was so much less that what I did have I listened to a lot more and felt much more deeply. Those songs that I loved growing up still have a place in my consciousness that is almost impossible for newer stuff to replicate. That's not to say the newer stuff isn't worthy. It's about how it impacts me.
All that said, here are some of my picks for his very strongest work since 1998:
The One Come On I Love U, But I Don't Trust U Anymore When I Lay My Hands on U U Make My Sun Shine (that vocal arrangement is simply stunning) Last December She Loves Me 4 Me Reflection Musicology 3121 Love Te Amo Corazon Somewhere Here on Earth F.U.N.K. Colonized Mind Dreamer Wall of Berlin Dance 4 Me Beginning Endlessly Future Soul Song [Edited 2/6/13 8:26am] * * *
Prince's Classic Finally Expanded The Deluxe 'Purple Rain' Reissue http://www.popmatters.com...n-reissue/ | |
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Yes to all this. "New Power slide...." |
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-Wtv u heard bout me is true,I change the rules n do what I wanna do.[Im n love w God,He's the only way - NOT!]We know we gotta die some day,so Im gon have fun evr MF night!Im gon 2 another life.How bout u?
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Remember the Wizard of Oz movie starring Judy Garland was not a hit movie like the producers thought it would be when it came out, but the critics liked it. And only upon its re-release in movie theaters did the movie re coupe the money that it cost to make. It wasn't a bomb release, just not the Avengers of their time.
So, some Prince songs or albums are not fully appreciated until some time has passed. The album "Come" for instance. (as skywalker pointed out.)
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