2elijah said:

jackson35 said:

I don't need to do anything but tell the truth. in reference to dick clark, prince did not show this man the respect that he deserve when he was alive. even his bands members though that shit was wrong. i'm glad dick gave prince a tatse of his own medicine when when doves cry was not nominated for any of the top catorgorys in 85. he had an adittude about it the whole night.

Ok, I'm not one of those fans, who drink the purple koolaid, but, I think you're full of your own sh*t. I say this, because I remember you were badmouthing Prince on a thread a while back, then you jumped back on the same thread, and said you had to go, because you were called to work an event Prince was performing at that night, and you seemed to have been gloating in the excitement of it. So not sure if you're looking at your own reflection--badmouthing an artist, you somehow seem to have some not-so-nice view of, yet you don't hesitate to turn down a job offered, at an event he performs at and then make sure you mention it here. If you have such ill feelings towards someone in particular, then why would you never hesitate to be in the same space with them? So your comments are reflective of the pot calling the kettle out of its name.

It's like you have this love/bitterness-not sure-which-view-to-have-of-Prince, when you speak of him on this site, so I don't know how anyone, could take what you say seriously.

What you expressed about him not speaking much during interviews, may have been true years ago, but it isn't unusual that people change as they grow older. Like some others have said, back in his early days, it was not unusual that he didn't speak much publically or during interviews, and who knows if that wasn't part of his stage persona as an artist, to keep the mystery of his image flowing among his fans? All fans can do is speculate.

Secondly, you don't know if years later, Prince and Dick Clark conversed privately, and all was forgiven. Based on the comments he made about Dick Clark in that recent article, the point is, he acknowledged his appreciation for Dick Clark, so I don't get why you would have a problem with that.

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all i said in reference to the topic at hand is that i don't think the quote was sincere given the way prince treated Mr Clark on hie first appearance on ab and his behavior behind the scenes. as a fan I'm entitled to my opinion. Mr Clark never said he got over it, otherwise he would have never mention it. if prince called Mr Clark and apologize, he would have never told the public that prince was his most difficult interview because prince apologized for that bullshit he pulled. lets not act like the interview segment of his 79 appearance is not cringe worthy.

jackson35 said:

2elijah said:

Ok, I'm not one of those fans, who drink the purple koolaid, but, I think you're full of your own sh*t. I say this, because I remember you were badmouthing Prince on a thread a while back, then you jumped back on the same thread, and said you had to go, because you were called to work an event Prince was performing at that night, and you seemed to have been gloating in the excitement of it. So not sure if you're looking at your own reflection--badmouthing an artist, you somehow seem to have some not-so-nice view of, yet you don't hesitate to turn down a job offered, at an event he performs at and then make sure you mention it here. If you have such ill feelings towards someone in particular, then why would you never hesitate to be in the same space with them? So your comments are reflective of the pot calling the kettle out of its name.

It's like you have this love/bitterness-not sure-which-view-to-have-of-Prince, when you speak of him on this site, so I don't know how anyone, could take what you say seriously.

What you expressed about him not speaking much during interviews, may have been true years ago, but it isn't unusual that people change as they grow older. Like some others have said, back in his early days, it was not unusual that he didn't speak much publically or during interviews, and who knows if that wasn't part of his stage persona as an artist, to keep the mystery of his image flowing among his fans? All fans can do is speculate.

Secondly, you don't know if years later, Prince and Dick Clark conversed privately, and all was forgiven. Based on the comments he made about Dick Clark in that recent article, the point is, he acknowledged his appreciation for Dick Clark, so I don't get why you would have a problem with that.

[Edited 12/23/12 20:11pm]

all i said in reference to the topic at hand is that i don't think the quote was sincere given the way prince treated Mr Clark on hie first appearance on ab and his behavior behind the scenes. as a fan I'm entitled to my opinion. Mr Clark never said he got over it, otherwise he would have never mention it. if prince called Mr Clark and apologize, he would have never told the public that prince was his most difficult interview because prince apologized for that bullshit he pulled. lets not act like the interview segment of his 79 appearance is not cringe worthy.

• Even if P & DC became drinking buddies, it would not change the fact that it was a tough interview. An apology- made or not- does not erase the difficulty of that particular incident. So I don't understand what you're trying to say... Do you really think, that in the thousands of appearances and interviews that DC did over the years, that he lay awake at night agonizing over the one with Prince ? Really?
• And why would DC say he did or did not get over it publicly? It seems like the only one who hasn't gotten over it is you. (I still say P must have really hurt your feelings! )
• "79 Appearance". Exactly. The article was written by Prince in 2012. It is amazing to me that you can't conceive of someone changing in 33 years... (Yeah, it was hard to watch... I was in junior high school at the time, and I thought he was weird.)
• And yes, just like the rest of us who are fans, you are entitled to your opinion/speculation. However, the reason you are being ridden so hard is because you didn't come to this thread with a fan's perspective. You showed up with a one-line comment, shouted in capitals, about how Prince was insincere and disrespectful, backing it up with "facts" pulled from your "experience" from back in the day. You tried to come off like you were "definitely in the know"... When people cried "BS & Shenanigans", you started spouting inaccurate info about awards and covert revenge...

Question: You've mentioned what it was like working in that realm 30 years ago... When was the last time you were around Prince? Do you know what he's like now?

chocolate1 said:

jackson35 said:

all i said in reference to the topic at hand is that i don't think the quote was sincere given the way prince treated Mr Clark on hie first appearance on ab and his behavior behind the scenes. as a fan I'm entitled to my opinion. Mr Clark never said he got over it, otherwise he would have never mention it. if prince called Mr Clark and apologize, he would have never told the public that prince was his most difficult interview because prince apologized for that bullshit he pulled. lets not act like the interview segment of his 79 appearance is not cringe worthy.

• Even if P & DC became drinking buddies, it would not change the fact that it was a tough interview. An apology- made or not- does not erase the difficulty of that particular incident. So I don't understand what you're trying to say... Do you really think, that in the thousands of appearances and interviews that DC did over the years, that he lay awake at night agonizing over the one with Prince ? Really?
• And why would DC say he did or did not get over it publicly? It seems like the only one who hasn't gotten over it is you. (I still say P must have really hurt your feelings! )
• "79 Appearance". Exactly. The article was written by Prince in 2012. It is amazing to me that you can't conceive of someone changing in 33 years... (Yeah, it was hard to watch... I was in junior high school at the time, and I thought he was weird.)
• And yes, just like the rest of us who are fans, you are entitled to your opinion/speculation. However, the reason you are being ridden so hard is because you didn't come to this thread with a fan's perspective. You showed up with a one-line comment, shouted in capitals, about how Prince was insincere and disrespectful, backing it up with "facts" pulled from your "experience" from back in the day. You tried to come off like you were "definitely in the know"... When people cried "BS & Shenanigans", you started spouting inaccurate info about awards and covert revenge...

Question: You've mentioned what it was like working in that realm 30 years ago... When was the last time you were around Prince? Do you know what he's like now?

the last time i work with prince was the 21 night stint at the garden here in nyc. if me clark and prince did't have beef then explan why he was not invited back to do ab in 81, 82, and 83? why did mr did mr clark mail out a lust of songs to be voted on in ama in 85 and not add wdc as song of the year or record of the year? prince had the hottest album in the country and he treated him like a anoither r&b artist in the mix. i say dick clark was trying to teach prince who plays hardball better then anyone in this business and tha'ts dick clark.

Oh God we give up! Prince is a musical genius which is only paralleled by his wickedly evil brilliance and sinisterly horrible interview skills. Dick Clark died tortured by the one interview in his entire career that caused him decades of untold misery and suffering. On th autopsy report as cause of death the coroner wrote "Prince interview AB". Prince should be ashamed of himself. He killed Dick Clark.

jackson35 said:

chocolate1 said:

• Even if P & DC became drinking buddies, it would not change the fact that it was a tough interview. An apology- made or not- does not erase the difficulty of that particular incident. So I don't understand what you're trying to say... Do you really think, that in the thousands of appearances and interviews that DC did over the years, that he lay awake at night agonizing over the one with Prince ? Really?
• And why would DC say he did or did not get over it publicly? It seems like the only one who hasn't gotten over it is you. (I still say P must have really hurt your feelings! )
• "79 Appearance". Exactly. The article was written by Prince in 2012. It is amazing to me that you can't conceive of someone changing in 33 years... (Yeah, it was hard to watch... I was in junior high school at the time, and I thought he was weird.)
• And yes, just like the rest of us who are fans, you are entitled to your opinion/speculation. However, the reason you are being ridden so hard is because you didn't come to this thread with a fan's perspective. You showed up with a one-line comment, shouted in capitals, about how Prince was insincere and disrespectful, backing it up with "facts" pulled from your "experience" from back in the day. You tried to come off like you were "definitely in the know"... When people cried "BS & Shenanigans", you started spouting inaccurate info about awards and covert revenge...

Question: You've mentioned what it was like working in that realm 30 years ago... When was the last time you were around Prince? Do you know what he's like now?

the last time i work with prince was the 21 night stint at the garden here in nyc. if me clark and prince did't have beef then explan why he was not invited back to do ab in 81, 82, and 83? why did mr did mr clark mail out a lust of songs to be voted on in ama in 85 and not add wdc as song of the year or record of the year? prince had the hottest album in the country and he treated him like a anoither r&b artist in the mix. i say dick clark was trying to teach prince who plays hardball better then anyone in this business and tha'ts dick clark.

Prince never performed for 21 nights at Madison Square Garden. He only performed 4 shows there from late 2010 to early 2011. The 21 Nite Stand was in Inglewood, California...

[Edited 12/26/12 17:13pm]

jackson35 said:

chocolate1 said:

• Even if P & DC became drinking buddies, it would not change the fact that it was a tough interview. An apology- made or not- does not erase the difficulty of that particular incident. So I don't understand what you're trying to say... Do you really think, that in the thousands of appearances and interviews that DC did over the years, that he lay awake at night agonizing over the one with Prince ? Really?
• And why would DC say he did or did not get over it publicly? It seems like the only one who hasn't gotten over it is you. (I still say P must have really hurt your feelings! )
• "79 Appearance". Exactly. The article was written by Prince in 2012. It is amazing to me that you can't conceive of someone changing in 33 years... (Yeah, it was hard to watch... I was in junior high school at the time, and I thought he was weird.)
• And yes, just like the rest of us who are fans, you are entitled to your opinion/speculation. However, the reason you are being ridden so hard is because you didn't come to this thread with a fan's perspective. You showed up with a one-line comment, shouted in capitals, about how Prince was insincere and disrespectful, backing it up with "facts" pulled from your "experience" from back in the day. You tried to come off like you were "definitely in the know"... When people cried "BS & Shenanigans", you started spouting inaccurate info about awards and covert revenge...

Question: You've mentioned what it was like working in that realm 30 years ago... When was the last time you were around Prince? Do you know what he's like now?

the last time i work with prince was the 21 night stint at the garden here in nyc. if me clark and prince did't have beef then explan why he was not invited back to do ab in 81, 82, and 83? why did mr did mr clark mail out a lust of songs to be voted on in ama in 85 and not add wdc as song of the year or record of the year? prince had the hottest album in the country and he treated him like a anoither r&b artist in the mix. i say dick clark was trying to teach prince who plays hardball better then anyone in this business and tha'ts dick clark.

Okay--one more time (since my earlier post was long and people may not have wanted to wade through all of it):

There was no RECORD of the year or SONG of the year (without specifying the genre) in the 1985 AMAs. So Prince wasn't included on any list of songs to vote for these awards because (let's see if we can get this) THERE WAS NO SUCH LIST BECAUSE THERE WERE NO SUCH AWARDS.

BUT

there were three FAVORITE SONG awards given, in POP/ROCK, SOUL/R&B, and COUNTRY categories

AND

"When Doves Cry" was nominated for BOTH the pop/rock and soul/r&b categories, and it won soul/r&b. Losing to Bruce Springsteen in the pop/rock makes perfect sense in 1985--Heck, considering how every year we have to hear people complaining that soul or disco or funk or hip/hop artists don't belong in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame, a lot of people might still have trouble wrapping their heads around Prince's pop/rock qualifications even now. But I fail to see how Prince's being nominated for both song awards proves that Clark was teaching him a lesson, or how his losing a popular vote (which it makes perfect sense that he might lose) indicates some manipulation by anyone.

SO

unless you have proof that Dick Clark (or anyone else) didn't include all three nominees for the awards, instead giving voters a choice between only Springsteen and Tina Turner when it came to the actual poll, then you really don't have anything to keep going on about.

Also, a man with Dick Clark's power who wanted to publicly spank Prince, hard, wouldn't do it by making sure he didn't win Pop/Rock Song while letting him win 3 other awards of equal or greater prestige: not only Soul/R&B Song but also both Album awards he was eligible for (Pop/Rock and Soul/R&B). And years later in 1995, he wouldn't provide a forum for his war with Warners.

VictoR3mix said:

jackson35 said:

the last time i work with prince was the 21 night stint at the garden here in nyc. if me clark and prince did't have beef then explan why he was not invited back to do ab in 81, 82, and 83? why did mr did mr clark mail out a lust of songs to be voted on in ama in 85 and not add wdc as song of the year or record of the year? prince had the hottest album in the country and he treated him like a anoither r&b artist in the mix. i say dick clark was trying to teach prince who plays hardball better then anyone in this business and tha'ts dick clark.

Prince never performed for 21 nights at Madison Square Garden. He only performed 4 shows there from late 2010 to early 2011. The 21 Nite Stand was in Inglewood, California...

[Edited 12/26/12 17:13pm]

I think "Mr. Jackson if you please" just want to find something wrong, but still keeps going back to work events Prince performs at, then pretends he has something to complain about P's disposition, just so he could let folks here at the org know that he worked an event Prince performed at. You all best not strip Mr. Jackson of his bragging rights....ya hear? Lol

[Edited 12/26/12 19:57pm]

so reducing his biggest song when doves cry to a fav black singles category is not payback? purple rain can be a fav pop/rock album and fav black album, but not fav pop male or fav blackr&b male? what i got from this show from Mr Clark to prince is i love the music but not too crazy bout you as a person. keep in mind he choose what the voters vote on. amas is his baby, he owns the show. prince was the hottest artist that night at the show, yet he did' sweep all of the category that he got a nod for. wdc sold over 4 million singles and billboard mag song of the year. purple album sold over 15million records world wide. the movie grosses over 85 million dollars. the tour pulls 30million dollars and he only pick up award where they like the music but not the male performer according to the voters.

[Edited 12/28/12 18:40pm]

jackson35 said:

so reducing his biggest song when doves cry to a fav black singles category is not payback? purple rain can be a fav pop/rock album and fav black album, but not fav pop male or fav blackr&b male? what i got from this show from Mr Clark to prince is i love the music but not too crazy bout you as a person. keep in mind he choose what the voters vote on. amas is his baby, he owns the show. prince was the hottest artist that night at the show, yet he did' sweep all of the category that he got a nod for. wdc sold over 4 million singles and billboard mag song of the year. purple album sold over 15million records world wide. the movie grosses over 85 million dollars. the tour pulls 30million dollars and he only pick up award where they like the music but not the male performer according to the voters.

At the end of the day though, despite how or what you feel Mr. Clark may have done, Dick Clark did not succeed in robbing Prince from becoming one of the music's most successful and famous musician/artist/performer. What's done is done.

[Edited 12/27/12 7:19am]

jackson35 said:

so reducing his biggest song when doves cry to a fav black singles category is not payback? purple rain can be a fav pop/rock album and fav black album, but not fav pop male or fav blackr&b male? what i got from this show from Mr Clark to prince is i love the music but not too crazy bout you as a person. keep in mind he choose what the voters vote on. amas is his baby, he owns the show. prince was the hottest artist that night at the show, yet he did' sweep all of the category that he got a nod for. wdc sold over 4 million singles and billboard mag song of the year. purple album sold over 15million records world wide. the movie grosses over 85 million dollars. the tour pulls 30million dollars and he only pick up award where they like the music but not the male performer according to the voters.

I'm just going to say this again:

Prince wrote a short paragraph in a weekly magazine. He didn't author a book or headline a tribute concert. He wrote "Not sure why but Mr. Clark seemed 2 genuinely like me." He didn't claim that he was a lifelong friend or a major part if his life or his success. All the reasons you've posted questioning the relationship seem to be answered in the short written tribute itself.

jackson35 said:

so reducing his biggest song when doves cry to a fav black singles category is not payback? purple rain can be a fav pop/rock album and fav black album, but not fav pop male or fav blackr&b male? what i got from this show from Mr Clark to prince is i love the music but not too crazy bout you as a person. keep in mind he choose what the voters vote on. amas is his baby, he owns the show. prince was the hottest artist that night at the show, yet he did' sweep all of the category that he got a nod for. wdc sold over 4 million singles and billboard mag song of the year. purple album sold over 15million records world wide. the movie grosses over 85 million dollars. the tour pulls 30million dollars and he only pick up award where they like the music but not the male performer according to the voters.

Even if what you said was true it does not prove what Prince feels "now" or what Dick Clark felt about Prince since this incident or before he died. I noticed when it comes to providing facts about Prince and Dick Clark after the incident you skip over those questions and have nothing to say about it. You keep going back to what happened in 1984 or 1985. You have nothing to show for what happened since then. As far as you working a "21 Nights Show" in NYC we know that story is fraudulent because there were no such shows. I personally think if what you said is true you have not been around the Prince camp in over 25 years.

[Edited 12/27/12 12:14pm]

why do u think prince made the statement about not understanding why mr clark like him? because he never treated the man with respect. u don't make statements like that unless u don't treat an individual with a certain level of respect. why do u think prince was never invited back at ab? never invited prince to perform at their anniversary shows? why do u think he took prince's biggest song and reduced it to a fav black single moment even though it was billboard song of 1984. did the same thing with kiss when it was release. fave r&b song even though it went number 1 pop for two weeks.

jackson35 said:

why do u think prince made the statement about not understanding why mr clark like him? because he never treated the man with respect. u don't make statements like that unless u don't treat an individual with a certain level of respect. why do u think prince was never invited back at ab? never invited prince to perform at their anniversary shows? why do u think he took prince's biggest song and reduced it to a fav black single moment even though it was billboard song of 1984. did the same thing with kiss when it was release. fave r&b song even though it went number 1 pop for two weeks.

Did what DC do stop 'Kiss' and 'WDC' from being two of Prince's most favorite classics among fans? The life of those two tracks and the fact they ended up being classics, is worth more than a trophy at an award show. Do you know how many songs from artists ended up being popular songs among music fans that never made number 1 on any chart, yet many of those songs remain classics today? I think you're making too much a big deal out of Prince's statement about DC. I think if what DC did to him in the past had stopped Prince's entire career, then I could see you hollering like a church lady who left her hat at home, but it didn't.

[Edited 12/28/12 7:14am]

jackson35 said:

why do u think prince made the statement about not understanding why mr clark like him? because he never treated the man with respect. u don't make statements like that unless u don't treat an individual with a certain level of respect. why do u think prince was never invited back at ab? never invited prince to perform at their anniversary shows? why do u think he took prince's biggest song and reduced it to a fav black single moment even though it was billboard song of 1984. did the same thing with kiss when it was release. fave r&b song even though it went number 1 pop for two weeks.

I dont have enough information to answer that question. I don't have any facts around Prince and Dick Clark's relationship/communication over the years. I'm not in a place to state what a man feels or thinks. Prince wrote that DC would always call "personally" and was always kind "no matter what circumstance". It could be that DC continued to be kind to him after that crazy interview on AB, or DC's support of him during the Warner Bros. I dont know. Prince did not elaborate and I dont have any information or facts to prove that PRince continued to be disrespectful to DC up until his death. You're making huge assumptions and guessing based on award nominations and winnings which are not proven, and based on a job you claim to have, (which, however, based on your comment about the 21 nights gig in NY I'm not even sure that is true.).

You have a right to believe what you believe. I thought it was a nice gesture and unless I know otherwise I dont have an opinion on anyone's sincerity unless I have more information.

wonder505 said:

jackson35 said:

why do u think prince made the statement about not understanding why mr clark like him? because he never treated the man with respect. u don't make statements like that unless u don't treat an individual with a certain level of respect. why do u think prince was never invited back at ab? never invited prince to perform at their anniversary shows? why do u think he took prince's biggest song and reduced it to a fav black single moment even though it was billboard song of 1984. did the same thing with kiss when it was release. fave r&b song even though it went number 1 pop for two weeks.

I dont have enough information to answer that question. I don't have any facts around Prince and Dick Clark's relationship/communication over the years. I'm not in a place to state what a man feels or thinks. Prince wrote that DC would always call "personally" and was always kind "no matter what circumstance". It could be that DC continued to be kind to him after that crazy interview on AB, or DC's support of him during the Warner Bros. I dont know. Prince did not elaborate and I dont have any information or facts to prove that PRince continued to be disrespectful to DC up until his death. You're making huge assumptions and guessing based on award nominations and winnings which are not proven, and based on a job you claim to have, (which, however, based on your comment about the 21 nights gig in NY I'm not even sure that is true.).

You have a right to believe what you believe. I thought it was a nice gesture and unless I know otherwise I dont have an opinion on anyone's sincerity unless I have more information.

fair enough. we will leave it at that.

jackson35 said:

why do u think prince made the statement about not understanding why mr clark like him? because he never treated the man with respect. u don't make statements like that unless u don't treat an individual with a certain level of respect. why do u think prince was never invited back at ab? never invited prince to perform at their anniversary shows? why do u think he took prince's biggest song and reduced it to a fav black single moment even though it was billboard song of 1984. did the same thing with kiss when it was release. fave r&b song even though it went number 1 pop for two weeks.

My last post on this subject:

Prince never appeared again on American Bandstand. I don't know why. Neither do you. I also don't know how many times anyone else appeared on it, though I honestly don't remember most other big stars from the same period showing up repeatedly on American Bandstand. Frankly, the significance of that particular type of exposure dropped off a lot once MTV was around.

Prince only showed up once on most shows I can think of from back then: Solid Gold, Soul Train, Midnight Special. He needed them a little, but not much. After the Prince album, there wasn't any reason to be on again until the 1999 campaign, and by then he was on MTV. Again, one day of exposure on MTV got more than a cycle of those shows did, once MTV was around. That's what made videos so useful--they were easier and more effective than doing TV appearances. Doing American Bandstand later would have been more something Prince did for Dick Clark, not a favor Clark would have done for Prince.

Actually, though, while Prince didn't go on American Bandstand, his proteges did--The Time and Sheila E. both went on while Prince and Dick Clark were, I guess, in the throes of their hatefest.

As to the idea that Clark "reduced" Prince's success with "When Doves Cry"--whatever you, I, or anyone else here thinks about it, when it came time for the Grammy Awards, Prince didn't do any better there. Not in 1985, when "When Doves Cry" got NOTHING and the Purple Rain album got Original Score and Rock Group Performance (if Prince had been considered for Rock Male he probably would have just lost to Springsteen, who won for "Dancing in the Dark"). And even though Prince got R&B song for "I Feel For You", it was Chaka Khan's recording that was responsible for that win.

And "Kiss" was "reduced" (if that's what it was) in the Grammy Awards, too. It got the R&B Group Performance award. The R&B Song award went Anita Baker's "Sweet Love."

And do you seriously think that "Kiss" being number 1 on the pop chart for two weeks (oh my God--two whole weeks!!!) is somehow important? Like, it was number one for two weeks and didn't get song of the year???? There must be some sort of trick!!

In 1986, the following 15 (!) songs were listed as number one on the Billboard Hot 100 for 2 or more weeks. The number in parentheses gives the number of weeks at number one:

"That's What Friends Are For"--Dionne and Friends (4)

"Walk Like an Egyptian"--The Bangles (4, two weeks in 1986 and two in 1987)

"Rock Me Amadeus"--Falco (3)

"The Greatest Love of All"--Whitney Houston (3)

"On My Own"--Patti Labelle and Michael McDonald (3)

"Stuck with You"--Huey Lewis and the News (3)

"Say You, Say Me"--Lionel Richie (2)

"How Will I Know"--Whitney Houston (2)

"Kyrie"--Mr. Mister (2)

"Glory of Love"--Peter Cetera (2)

"Papa Don't Preach"--Madonna (2)

"When I Think of You"--Janet Jackson (2)

"True Colors"--Cyndi Lauper (2)

"Amanda"--Boston (2)

"Kiss"--Prince and the Revolution (2)

The AMA for Pop/Rock song went to Billy Ocean's "There'll Be Sad Songs," which was only number one for one week, as were the other nominees (Madonna's "Live to Tell," The Pet Shop Boys' "West End Girls," and Steve Winwood's "Higher Love"). That seems a bit odd, since the nominees were based on airplay and sales, the same as the chart. But perhaps looking at longevity at high levels rather than just the number of weeks at number one might explain it.

HOWEVER--

if being number one for two weeks is grounds to suspect that Prince got cheated, he was hardly alone. And to much of the world outside of Prince.org a lot of these songs are better than "Kiss"--so even if it had been nominated (as it was for R&B Song, which it lost to Janet Jackson's "Nasty"), "Kiss" almost certainly would have lost.

So, rather than continuing to debate whether or not Dick Clark was so petty that he kept punishing Prince for a silly little attempt to be "a rebel" or "mysterious" or "just so weird I can't play nice with others," or, for that matter, whether Prince, looking back over his encounters with Dick Clark, is able to speak honestly a few kind words about the man--not remarkably gushing ones, just kind ones--I'm just going to say this:

Prince was embarrassing on American Bandstand. Dick Clark said it was the toughest interview. Prince and members of his camp appeared on later Dick Clark productions. His record at the American Music Awards was comparable to his record on the Grammies.

Move along folks. Nothing to see here.

EddieC said:

(edited for brevity) . . . if being number one for two weeks is grounds to suspect that Prince got cheated, he was hardly alone. And to much of the world outside of Prince.org a lot of these songs are better than "Kiss"--so even if it had been nominated (as it was for R&B Song, which it lost to Janet Jackson's "Nasty"), "Kiss" almost certainly would have lost.

So, rather than continuing to debate whether or not Dick Clark was so petty that he kept punishing Prince for a silly little attempt to be "a rebel" or "mysterious" or "just so weird I can't play nice with others," or, for that matter, whether Prince, looking back over his encounters with Dick Clark, is able to speak honestly a few kind words about the man--not remarkably gushing ones, just kind ones--I'm just going to say this:

Prince was embarrassing on American Bandstand. Dick Clark said it was the toughest interview. Prince and members of his camp appeared on later Dick Clark productions. His record at the American Music Awards was comparable to his record on the Grammies.

Move along folks. Nothing to see here.

Thank you for the comprehensive views in this post and your last one...

All most of us wanted were some facts to back up what jackson35 has been saying...

He couldn't provide that- just some cutting and pasting of the same tired speculation.

I still say Prince must have really hurt his feelings in some way!

** My apologies to Doozer for contributing to the "jacking" of the thread... Sometimes things need to be said and clarified.

EddieC said:

jackson35 said:

why do u think prince made the statement about not understanding why mr clark like him? because he never treated the man with respect. u don't make statements like that unless u don't treat an individual with a certain level of respect. why do u think prince was never invited back at ab? never invited prince to perform at their anniversary shows? why do u think he took prince's biggest song and reduced it to a fav black single moment even though it was billboard song of 1984. did the same thing with kiss when it was release. fave r&b song even though it went number 1 pop for two weeks.

My last post on this subject:

Prince never appeared again on American Bandstand. I don't know why. Neither do you. I also don't know how many times anyone else appeared on it, though I honestly don't remember most other big stars from the same period showing up repeatedly on American Bandstand. Frankly, the significance of that particular type of exposure dropped off a lot once MTV was around.

Prince only showed up once on most shows I can think of from back then: Solid Gold, Soul Train, Midnight Special. He needed them a little, but not much. After the Prince album, there wasn't any reason to be on again until the 1999 campaign, and by then he was on MTV. Again, one day of exposure on MTV got more than a cycle of those shows did, once MTV was around. That's what made videos so useful--they were easier and more effective than doing TV appearances. Doing American Bandstand later would have been more something Prince did for Dick Clark, not a favor Clark would have done for Prince.

Actually, though, while Prince didn't go on American Bandstand, his proteges did--The Time and Sheila E. both went on while Prince and Dick Clark were, I guess, in the throes of their hatefest.

As to the idea that Clark "reduced" Prince's success with "When Doves Cry"--whatever you, I, or anyone else here thinks about it, when it came time for the Grammy Awards, Prince didn't do any better there. Not in 1985, when "When Doves Cry" got NOTHING and the Purple Rain album got Original Score and Rock Group Performance (if Prince had been considered for Rock Male he probably would have just lost to Springsteen, who won for "Dancing in the Dark"). And even though Prince got R&B song for "I Feel For You", it was Chaka Khan's recording that was responsible for that win.

And "Kiss" was "reduced" (if that's what it was) in the Grammy Awards, too. It got the R&B Group Performance award. The R&B Song award went Anita Baker's "Sweet Love."

And do you seriously think that "Kiss" being number 1 on the pop chart for two weeks (oh my God--two whole weeks!!!) is somehow important? Like, it was number one for two weeks and didn't get song of the year???? There must be some sort of trick!!

In 1986, the following 15 (!) songs were listed as number one on the Billboard Hot 100 for 2 or more weeks. The number in parentheses gives the number of weeks at number one:

"That's What Friends Are For"--Dionne and Friends (4)

"Walk Like an Egyptian"--The Bangles (4, two weeks in 1986 and two in 1987)

"Rock Me Amadeus"--Falco (3)

"The Greatest Love of All"--Whitney Houston (3)

"On My Own"--Patti Labelle and Michael McDonald (3)

"Stuck with You"--Huey Lewis and the News (3)

"Say You, Say Me"--Lionel Richie (2)

"How Will I Know"--Whitney Houston (2)

"Kyrie"--Mr. Mister (2)

"Glory of Love"--Peter Cetera (2)

"Papa Don't Preach"--Madonna (2)

"When I Think of You"--Janet Jackson (2)

"True Colors"--Cyndi Lauper (2)

"Amanda"--Boston (2)

"Kiss"--Prince and the Revolution (2)

The AMA for Pop/Rock song went to Billy Ocean's "There'll Be Sad Songs," which was only number one for one week, as were the other nominees (Madonna's "Live to Tell," The Pet Shop Boys' "West End Girls," and Steve Winwood's "Higher Love"). That seems a bit odd, since the nominees were based on airplay and sales, the same as the chart. But perhaps looking at longevity at high levels rather than just the number of weeks at number one might explain it.

HOWEVER--

if being number one for two weeks is grounds to suspect that Prince got cheated, he was hardly alone. And to much of the world outside of Prince.org a lot of these songs are better than "Kiss"--so even if it had been nominated (as it was for R&B Song, which it lost to Janet Jackson's "Nasty"), "Kiss" almost certainly would have lost.

So, rather than continuing to debate whether or not Dick Clark was so petty that he kept punishing Prince for a silly little attempt to be "a rebel" or "mysterious" or "just so weird I can't play nice with others," or, for that matter, whether Prince, looking back over his encounters with Dick Clark, is able to speak honestly a few kind words about the man--not remarkably gushing ones, just kind ones--I'm just going to say this:

Prince was embarrassing on American Bandstand. Dick Clark said it was the toughest interview. Prince and members of his camp appeared on later Dick Clark productions. His record at the American Music Awards was comparable to his record on the Grammies.

Move along folks. Nothing to see here.

Sorry Ur misinformed Princey was on "Solid Gold" twice...The first time was on Jan 29, 1983 when he per4rmed 1999. The second time was when he per4rmed his mega crossover hit "Little Red Corvette" on April 14, 1983

[Edited 12/28/12 18:37pm]

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

EddieC said:

My last post on this subject:

Prince never appeared again on American Bandstand. I don't know why. Neither do you. I also don't know how many times anyone else appeared on it, though I honestly don't remember most other big stars from the same period showing up repeatedly on American Bandstand. Frankly, the significance of that particular type of exposure dropped off a lot once MTV was around.

Prince only showed up once on most shows I can think of from back then: Solid Gold, Soul Train, Midnight Special. He needed them a little, but not much. After the Prince album, there wasn't any reason to be on again until the 1999 campaign, and by then he was on MTV. Again, one day of exposure on MTV got more than a cycle of those shows did, once MTV was around. That's what made videos so useful--they were easier and more effective than doing TV appearances. Doing American Bandstand later would have been more something Prince did for Dick Clark, not a favor Clark would have done for Prince.

Actually, though, while Prince didn't go on American Bandstand, his proteges did--The Time and Sheila E. both went on while Prince and Dick Clark were, I guess, in the throes of their hatefest.

As to the idea that Clark "reduced" Prince's success with "When Doves Cry"--whatever you, I, or anyone else here thinks about it, when it came time for the Grammy Awards, Prince didn't do any better there. Not in 1985, when "When Doves Cry" got NOTHING and the Purple Rain album got Original Score and Rock Group Performance (if Prince had been considered for Rock Male he probably would have just lost to Springsteen, who won for "Dancing in the Dark"). And even though Prince got R&B song for "I Feel For You", it was Chaka Khan's recording that was responsible for that win.

And "Kiss" was "reduced" (if that's what it was) in the Grammy Awards, too. It got the R&B Group Performance award. The R&B Song award went Anita Baker's "Sweet Love."

And do you seriously think that "Kiss" being number 1 on the pop chart for two weeks (oh my God--two whole weeks!!!) is somehow important? Like, it was number one for two weeks and didn't get song of the year???? There must be some sort of trick!!

In 1986, the following 15 (!) songs were listed as number one on the Billboard Hot 100 for 2 or more weeks. The number in parentheses gives the number of weeks at number one:

"That's What Friends Are For"--Dionne and Friends (4)

"Walk Like an Egyptian"--The Bangles (4, two weeks in 1986 and two in 1987)

"Rock Me Amadeus"--Falco (3)

"The Greatest Love of All"--Whitney Houston (3)

"On My Own"--Patti Labelle and Michael McDonald (3)

"Stuck with You"--Huey Lewis and the News (3)

"Say You, Say Me"--Lionel Richie (2)

"How Will I Know"--Whitney Houston (2)

"Kyrie"--Mr. Mister (2)

"Glory of Love"--Peter Cetera (2)

"Papa Don't Preach"--Madonna (2)

"When I Think of You"--Janet Jackson (2)

"True Colors"--Cyndi Lauper (2)

"Amanda"--Boston (2)

"Kiss"--Prince and the Revolution (2)

The AMA for Pop/Rock song went to Billy Ocean's "There'll Be Sad Songs," which was only number one for one week, as were the other nominees (Madonna's "Live to Tell," The Pet Shop Boys' "West End Girls," and Steve Winwood's "Higher Love"). That seems a bit odd, since the nominees were based on airplay and sales, the same as the chart. But perhaps looking at longevity at high levels rather than just the number of weeks at number one might explain it.

HOWEVER--

if being number one for two weeks is grounds to suspect that Prince got cheated, he was hardly alone. And to much of the world outside of Prince.org a lot of these songs are better than "Kiss"--so even if it had been nominated (as it was for R&B Song, which it lost to Janet Jackson's "Nasty"), "Kiss" almost certainly would have lost.

So, rather than continuing to debate whether or not Dick Clark was so petty that he kept punishing Prince for a silly little attempt to be "a rebel" or "mysterious" or "just so weird I can't play nice with others," or, for that matter, whether Prince, looking back over his encounters with Dick Clark, is able to speak honestly a few kind words about the man--not remarkably gushing ones, just kind ones--I'm just going to say this:

Prince was embarrassing on American Bandstand. Dick Clark said it was the toughest interview. Prince and members of his camp appeared on later Dick Clark productions. His record at the American Music Awards was comparable to his record on the Grammies.

Move along folks. Nothing to see here.

Sorry Ur misinformed Princey was on "Solid Gold" twice...The first time was on Jan 29, 1983 when he per4rmed 1999. The second time was when he per4rmed his mega crossover hit "Little Red Corvette" on April 14, 1083

Prince wasn't even a fetus then. Back then it would've been 'Little Red Horse & Buggy' or something!