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Doozer

Prince Writes Tribute to Dick Clark in 12/21 Entertainment Weekly

On newsstands now:

Dick Clark

Nov. 30, 1929 - April 18, 2012

By Prince

Dick Clark was always very generous and kind 2 us whatever the circumstance. He would call U personally and always speak with grace and candor that is rare in an industry that is rife with gamesmanship. That kinda class is sorely missed. Not sure why but Mr. Clark seemed 2 genuinely like me, and Eye liked him also.

----

Clark died of a heart attack in Santa Monica.

Reply #1 posted 12/15/12 2:07pm

Doozer

Reply #2 posted 12/15/12 2:09pm

rdhull

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Roger Ebert:rest in peace
Reply #3 posted 12/15/12 2:27pm

Militant

moderator

Not sure why but Mr. Clark seemed to genuinely like me

This sentence makes me sad. Prince doesn't expect people to like him?

Reply #4 posted 12/15/12 2:36pm

rdhull

Militant said:

Not sure why but Mr. Clark seemed to genuinely like me

This sentence makes me sad. Prince doesn't expect people to like him?

Not without wanting something from him.

Roger Ebert:rest in peace
Reply #5 posted 12/15/12 2:46pm

OnlyNDaUsa

fuuny how the link is still falling for the age myth:

Prince made his national television debut on "American Bandstand" in 1980 when he was only 19-years-old.

he was 21 at the time.

Living with a disability is not the Wurst thing in the word: Knowingly Mocking someone with one is far Wurst!.
Reply #6 posted 12/15/12 3:49pm

thedance

^ Prince was 20, it was before june, in early 1980 iirc, therefor Prince was not yet 21 at the time. wink

.

Let 2014 be purple heart
Reply #7 posted 12/15/12 3:59pm

riocoolnes

Haha idk but Prince lied about his age in the video he said he was 19.

Reply #8 posted 12/15/12 4:01pm

OnlyNDaUsa

thedance said:

^ Prince was 20, it was before june, in early 1980 iirc, therefor Prince was not yet 21 at the time. wink

it was jan 1980... 80-58 = 22 but he had not had his birthday so he would be 21...

but that 19 was part of myth of the day. They shaved 2 years. if you have seen the AB appearance prince seems uneasy when asked about his age. but then again he was uneasy with all the questions.

Living with a disability is not the Wurst thing in the word: Knowingly Mocking someone with one is far Wurst!.
Reply #9 posted 12/15/12 4:02pm

OnlyNDaUsa

riocoolnes said:

Haha idk but Prince lied about his age in the video he said he was 19.

I think that is what they told Dick

Living with a disability is not the Wurst thing in the word: Knowingly Mocking someone with one is far Wurst!.
Reply #10 posted 12/15/12 4:19pm

thedance

OnlyNDaUsa said:

thedance said:

^ Prince was 20, it was before june, in early 1980 iirc, therefor Prince was not yet 21 at the time. wink

it was jan 1980... 80-58 = 22 but he had not had his birthday so he would be 21...

ah, you are right, and yes he did cut 2 years off his age.. smile

Prince also thanked Dick Clark in his speech at the American Music Awards, 1995.

something like/ by memory: "thanks to Dick Clark for finally letting me put Prince to bed".

(By memory, please correct me if this is totally wrong..).

Let 2014 be purple heart
Reply #11 posted 12/15/12 4:23pm

rdhull

Stop worrying about age!

Its about Pirnces statment on Dick Clark!

Gawd

Roger Ebert:rest in peace
Reply #12 posted 12/15/12 5:26pm

mikeyaddict

rdhull said:

Stop worrying about age!


 


Its about Pirnces statment on Dick Clark!


 


Gawd



True dat. Good to see the wee man giving props. And peace DC whichever and whatever way it were played u had the lad on and bigged him up.
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Reply #13 posted 12/15/12 6:06pm

2020

Good to see P acknowledge DC...

He liked him cause he knew he was a real musician and talent even at his young age
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Reply #14 posted 12/15/12 10:06pm

scriptgirl

EW says that Prince insisted they keep his spelling.

"Lack of home training crosses all boundaries."
Reply #15 posted 12/15/12 11:04pm

mynameisnotsusan

Dick Clark told Larry King Prince was the most diffcult interview he had ever done and when Larry King told Prince that Dick Clark had choosen 1999 as one of the songs of the millenium Princes response was "Oh."

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Reply #16 posted 12/15/12 11:13pm

fielder

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Reply #17 posted 12/16/12 12:17am

jackson35

IF PRINCE THINKS SO HIGHLY OF DICK THEN WHY WAS HE DISRESPECTFUL TO HIM ?

Reply #18 posted 12/16/12 1:13am

novabrkr

Militant said:

Not sure why but Mr. Clark seemed to genuinely like me

This sentence makes me sad. Prince doesn't expect people to like him?

Maybe that's just how he felt at the time when he was starting out. He was ridiculed a lot for his appearance and the themes he used in his music. I suppose a lot of people weren't really willing to let him perform on TV or write about him in a favourable manner in magazines in the beginning.

Reply #19 posted 12/16/12 4:50am

chocolate1

jackson35 said:

IF PRINCE THINKS SO HIGHLY OF DICK THEN WHY WAS HE DISRESPECTFUL TO HIM ?

Are you talking about his behavior on the show over 30 years ago? confuse

Young people do and say things that seem okay at the time.

Hell... older people do, too.

The article was written from the perspective of a man in his 50s in 2012... You don't think he could have gained respect for Mr. Clark over the years?


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Reply #20 posted 12/16/12 6:25am

Lammastide

Very pleasant words from Prince.

"Be excellent to each other." -Bill and Ted
Reply #21 posted 12/16/12 9:54am

KCOOLMUZIQ

Prince is a class act. Don't know why peeps always say he is mean. This is the first time he has written a statement on anyone after their death. It shows the respect he always had for Dick & Dick had 4 him. The statement is profound & very heart felt. Go on Princey..Do U...

"A brand-new studio album is on the way and both Warner Bros. Records & Eye are quite pleased with the results of the negotiations & look 4ward 2 a fruitful working relationship," prince said n a news release! All prince needs 2 do 2 take over the world again
Reply #22 posted 12/16/12 9:57am

Doozer

chocolate1 said:

jackson35 said:

IF PRINCE THINKS SO HIGHLY OF DICK THEN WHY WAS HE DISRESPECTFUL TO HIM ?

Are you talking about his behavior on the show over 30 years ago? confuse

Young people do and say things that seem okay at the time.

Hell... older people do, too.

The article was written from the perspective of a man in his 50s in 2012... You don't think he could have gained respect for Mr. Clark over the years?

Prince accepted an award of achievement on the American Music Awards in 1990 (presented by Anita Baker; AMAs were Dick Clark's show, essentially). One of the first (if not THE first) people Prince thanked in a very humble speech was Dick Clark. His weird behavior in 1979 on American Bandstand didn't come as a surprise to Dick Clark, and Clark clearly never held it against him. This short tribute from Prince isn't the first time he's had kind words for Dick Clark.

Reply #23 posted 12/16/12 9:59am

Jamzone333

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Prince is a class act. Don't know why peeps always say he is mean. This is the first time he has written a statement on anyone after their death. It shows the respect he always had for Dick & Dick had 4 him. The statement is profound & very heart felt. Go on Princey..Do U...

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Reply #24 posted 12/16/12 12:08pm

funksterr

Wow. It's refreshing to read smething Prince said or wrote that sounded...human. Perhaps he does have the capacity to write an autobigraphy. hmmm

Reply #25 posted 12/16/12 1:18pm

journey

Militant said:

Not sure why but Mr. Clark seemed to genuinely like me

This sentence makes me sad. Prince doesn't expect people to like him?

Aww, well I like you Prince, even though I've never met you. It's because of mine eyes view and your music.

Reply #26 posted 12/16/12 2:41pm

PoorLonelyComputer

rdhull said:

Militant said:

This sentence makes me sad. Prince doesn't expect people to like him?

Not without wanting something from him.

Nah that ain't it

"Do you really know what love is?"
Reply #27 posted 12/16/12 2:50pm

rdhull

PoorLonelyComputer said:

rdhull said:

Not without wanting something from him.

Nah that ain't it

Yes it is. I have proof.

Roger Ebert:rest in peace
Reply #28 posted 12/16/12 3:15pm

Flow

Comments like these should not be abnormal . The only way I truly understand another is to approach that understanding and all other forms of love is with my true higher self . Which should not be separate .And Dick Clark also shares the same day of the month in which I entered this world. Thank you Mr Clark ,Respect and thanks for the lessons.

Doozer said:

On newsstands now:

Dick Clark

Nov. 30, 1929 - April 18, 2012

By Prince

Dick Clark was always very generous and kind 2 us whatever the circumstance. He would call U personally and always speak with grace and candor that is rare in an industry that is rife with gamesmanship. That kinda class is sorely missed. Not sure why but Mr. Clark seemed 2 genuinely like me, and Eye liked him also.

----

Clark died of a heart attack in Santa Monica.

HueMan
Reply #29 posted 12/16/12 3:21pm

paisleysoul

Speaking for myself, when u are a private & guarded person u tend make it a challenge sometimes for people to get close or get to know u & sometimes that makes u question whether a person really genuinely likes u or is trying to get into your business...maybe it was like that for Prince..
Reply #30 posted 12/16/12 7:05pm

nursev

Very sweet of Prince to do this wink

Reply #31 posted 12/16/12 7:06pm

nursev

funksterr said:

Wow. It's refreshing to read smething Prince said or wrote that sounded...human. Perhaps he does have the capacity to write an autobigraphy. hmmm

Perhaps lol

Reply #32 posted 12/16/12 7:54pm

buttcheeks

I remember prince saying at an awards show that he wanted to thank Dick Clark for helping him put Prince to bed.

I am pretty sure it was the American Music Awards around The Gold Experience era

Reply #33 posted 12/16/12 10:44pm

jackson35

i known that when prince was schedule to appear on these shows, he refuse to speak to him and communicated with him thru notes or thru his assistant, bottom line... prince is being phony right about now.

Reply #34 posted 12/16/12 11:27pm

bashraka

jackson35 said:

i known that when prince was schedule to appear on these shows, he refuse to speak to him and communicated with him thru notes or thru his assistant, bottom line... prince is being phony right about now.

What does Prince have to gain by writing a short obituary for Dick Clark if he was being phony?

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Reply #35 posted 12/17/12 5:13am

Chas

The guy is 54 years old and writing an obituary in a major magazine about a titan in entertainment business... and still he writes like a teenage girl.

Reply #36 posted 12/17/12 5:14am

funkyhead

i do find it curious that P writes for DC but no comments made when JB, MJ or Whitney passed away?

Not important in the great scheme of things but curious to me nontheless.

Reply #37 posted 12/17/12 6:05am

EML3

Has anyone else noticed that he has stopped saying "I" ("eye") and "me"...its always "we" and "us" now.

what's with THAT?

Is he back on the split personality thing from Oprah's 1995-96 interview?

"It's all good when U no the only fame is the light that comes from God, and the joy U get 2 say His name."
Reply #38 posted 12/17/12 6:11am

erik319

EML3 said:

Has anyone else noticed that he has stopped saying "I" ("eye") and "me"...its always "we" and "us" now.

what's with THAT?

Is he back on the split personality thing from Oprah's 1995-96 interview?

Dick Clark was always very generous and kind 2 us whatever the circumstance. He would call U personally and always speak with grace and candor that is rare in an industry that is rife with gamesmanship. That kinda class is sorely missed. Not sure why but Mr. Clark seemed 2 genuinely like me, and Eye liked him also.

blah blah blah
Reply #39 posted 12/17/12 6:20am

KCOOLMUZIQ

Chas said:

The guy is 54 years old and writing an obituary in a major magazine about a titan in entertainment business... and still he writes like a teenage girl.

rolleyes

"A brand-new studio album is on the way and both Warner Bros. Records & Eye are quite pleased with the results of the negotiations & look 4ward 2 a fruitful working relationship," prince said n a news release! All prince needs 2 do 2 take over the world again
Reply #40 posted 12/17/12 7:11am

rdhull

Chas said:

The guy is 54 years old and writing an obituary in a major magazine about a titan in entertainment business... and still he writes like a teenage girl.

And youre a grown assed adult with a symbol guitar pic as an avatar lol

Roger Ebert:rest in peace
Reply #41 posted 12/17/12 7:55am

thepope2the9s

rdhull said:

Chas said:

The guy is 54 years old and writing an obituary in a major magazine about a titan in entertainment business... and still he writes like a teenage girl.

And youre a grown assed adult with a symbol guitar pic as an avatar lol

lol

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Reply #42 posted 12/17/12 11:19am

NuPwrSoul

There is something cute and unspoiled in Prince's tribute. It's kidlike in a pure of heart kind of way.

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Reply #43 posted 12/17/12 11:21am

SpiritOtter

I entirely agree, NuPwrSoul. I find Prince's written word in this tribute of his very endearing.

love,

Spirit

Reply #44 posted 12/17/12 12:48pm

Sexymf77

That's very sweeet and honest of prince 2 say those words about Dick Clark:)

Hmm...may buy the mag 4 my color nook lol

Shut up already...Damn!
Reply #45 posted 12/17/12 1:28pm

2freaky4church1

This is complete bullshit. Prince never even knew Dick Clark.

Prince is delusional.

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Reply #46 posted 12/17/12 4:02pm

fantasticjoy

chocolate1 said:

 



jackson35 said:


IF PRINCE THINKS SO HIGHLY OF DICK THEN WHY WAS HE DISRESPECTFUL TO HIM ?



 


Are you talking about his behavior on the show over 30 years ago?  confuse


Young people do and say things that seem okay at the time.  


Hell... older people do, too.


 


The article was written from the perspective of a man in his 50s in 2012... You don't think he could have gained respect for Mr. Clark over the years?


 


 

.
Exactly!!!
Reply #47 posted 12/17/12 5:42pm

bashraka

2freaky4church1 said:

This is complete bullshit. Prince never even knew Dick Clark.

Prince is delusional.

Who are you to question whether or not Prince had a personal relationship with Dick Clark?

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Reply #48 posted 12/17/12 5:56pm

rdhull

2freaky4church1 said:

This is complete bullshit. Prince never even knew Dick Clark.

Prince is delusional.

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Roger Ebert:rest in peace
Reply #49 posted 12/17/12 6:11pm

Tittypants

Militant said:

Not sure why but Mr. Clark seemed to genuinely like me

This sentence makes me sad. Prince doesn't expect people to like him?

If you have to wonder why, you are SEVERELY in denial, my friend. hah!

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Reply #50 posted 12/17/12 7:12pm

DFUNK

Militant said:


Not sure why but Mr. Clark seemed to genuinely like me


 



 


This sentence makes me sad. Prince doesn't expect people to like him? 



I've always sensed that Prince has found it difficult to make "genuine" friendships largely due to his public status. It's sad, but when you are a high profile celebrity, you do tend to get all manner of people throwing themselves at you, wanting to be friends, wanting you to be involved in their projects, and unfortunately this makes it hard for one to separate the genuine people from the ones who are merely self serving.
Reply #51 posted 12/17/12 7:14pm

rdhull

DFUNK said:

Militant said:

This sentence makes me sad. Prince doesn't expect people to like him?

I've always sensed that Prince has found it difficult to make "genuine" friendships largely due to his public status. It's sad, but when you are a high profile celebrity, you do tend to get all manner of people throwing themselves at you, wanting to be friends, wanting you to be involved in their projects, and unfortunately this makes it hard for one to separate the genuine people from the ones who are merely self serving.

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Reply #52 posted 12/17/12 7:21pm

DFUNK

EML3 said:

Has anyone else noticed that he has stopped saying "I" ("eye") and "me"...its always "we" and "us" now.


what's with THAT?


 


 


Is he back on the split personality thing from Oprah's 1995-96 interview?



I will concur with you on that point. I've been quite curious myself as to who the "we" and "us" are, who he regularly references in interviews these days. That is a little puzzling. Sometimes it's hard to figure out if he is referring to the entire band as "we" or if in fact his "other person" in which he revealed on that Oprah interview all those years ago is still a very big part of his life. smile
Reply #53 posted 12/17/12 7:46pm

fielder

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Reply #54 posted 12/17/12 9:55pm

GoldDolphin

fielder said:

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While what you're saying might be true, it has nothing to do with Prince. I think it's nice of Prince to tribute Dick Clark because we see another side of him and while some might be questioning his friendship and interest in Dick Clark in all honesty how could we possibly know how they felt for each other when we personally don't know either of them?
When the power of love overcomes the love of power,the world will know peace -Jimi Hendrix
Reply #55 posted 12/17/12 10:00pm

Cerebus

rdhull said:

PoorLonelyComputer said:

Nah that ain't it

Yes it is. I have proof.

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Reply #56 posted 12/18/12 8:18am

MJ007

jackson35 said:

i known that when prince was schedule to appear on these shows, he refuse to speak to him and communicated with him thru notes or thru his assistant, bottom line... prince is being phony right about now.

Jeez, how many decades ago was that??? Prince is in his 50's now and has matured. I'm sure now he's thankful for his blessings and opportunities that he was given even if he couldn't see them when he was a young punk. Give him a break already damn. disbelief

Reply #57 posted 12/18/12 5:21pm

rdhull

MJ007 said:

jackson35 said:

i known that when prince was schedule to appear on these shows, he refuse to speak to him and communicated with him thru notes or thru his assistant, bottom line... prince is being phony right about now.

Jeez, how many decades ago was that??? Prince is in his 50's now and has matured. I'm sure now he's thankful for his blessings and opportunities that he was given even if he couldn't see them when he was a young punk. Give him a break already damn. disbelief

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Reply #58 posted 12/18/12 6:24pm

AvengingToxic

Militant said:

Not sure why but Mr. Clark seemed to genuinely like me

This sentence makes me sad. Prince doesn't expect people to like him?

Because he treats people like shit.

Reply #59 posted 12/18/12 7:02pm

HonestMan13

MJ007 said:

jackson35 said:

i known that when prince was schedule to appear on these shows, he refuse to speak to him and communicated with him thru notes or thru his assistant, bottom line... prince is being phony right about now.

Jeez, how many decades ago was that??? Prince is in his 50's now and has matured. I'm sure now he's thankful for his blessings and opportunities that he was given even if he couldn't see them when he was a young punk. Give him a break already damn. disbelief

NO!!! He must be held accountable for this slight! lol

Prince fans. They'll say something is shit outright, still support it and then somehow blame someone else they had to deal with it.
Reply #60 posted 12/18/12 7:21pm

jackson35

rdhull said:

MJ007 said:

Jeez, how many decades ago was that??? Prince is in his 50's now and has matured. I'm sure now he's thankful for his blessings and opportunities that he was given even if he couldn't see them when he was a young punk. Give him a break already damn. disbelief

[Bait snip - luv4u]

do u like being given notes when u are talking to someone? do u like having someone throwing fingers in your face when u are them a question? he has not given this man respect at all when they were in the same building. i will never forget the night prince was at the american music awards in 85 and he had dick's crew all discombobulated because he would not answer any question about anything. he had big chick or fargnoli talk for him and i just remember dick being very frustrated with him and he did't give a damn.

Reply #61 posted 12/18/12 7:22pm

Threadbare

If memory serves, this seems a bit rare for Prince to acknowledge the passing of someone big. Normally, he's silent on it. Maybe that signifies just how much Clark meant to him.

Reply #62 posted 12/18/12 7:52pm

rdhull

jackson35 said:

rdhull said:

jackson35 is being a dick more than Prince supposedly was....right about now (lol)

do u like being given notes when u are talking to someone? do u like having someone throwing fingers in your face when u are them a question? he has not given this man respect at all when they were in the same building. i will never forget the night prince was at the american music awards in 85 and he had dick's crew all discombobulated because he would not answer any question about anything. he had big chick or fargnoli talk for him and i just remember dick being very frustrated with him and he did't give a damn.

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Roger Ebert:rest in peace
Reply #63 posted 12/19/12 2:54am

chocolate1

jackson35 said:

rdhull said:

jackson35 is being a dick more than Prince supposedly was....right about now (lol)

do u like being given notes when u are talking to someone? do u like having someone throwing fingers in your face when u are them a question? he has not given this man respect at all when they were in the same building. i will never forget the night prince was at the american music awards in 85 and he had dick's crew all discombobulated because he would not answer any question about anything. he had big chick or fargnoli talk for him and i just remember dick being very frustrated with him and he did't give a damn.

Wow...

You act like Prince slapped your Mama...


Were you there? Were you on Dick Clark's staff and had to be subjected to it?
You're taking something that shouldn't affect your life pretty seriously.

lol


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Reply #64 posted 12/19/12 3:28am

catpark

Its sweet what Prince wrote and I don't think I've ever heard him write something like about anyone. Sounds Prince is really grateful for the tv break Dick Clark gave him.

As for the show he didn't do anything wrong he was just a playful shy kid, if anything the youthful Prince is really cute on it.

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Reply #65 posted 12/19/12 3:33am

catpark

chocolate1 said:

jackson35 said:

do u like being given notes when u are talking to someone? do u like having someone throwing fingers in your face when u are them a question? he has not given this man respect at all when they were in the same building. i will never forget the night prince was at the american music awards in 85 and he had dick's crew all discombobulated because he would not answer any question about anything. he had big chick or fargnoli talk for him and i just remember dick being very frustrated with him and he did't give a damn.

Wow...

You act like Prince slapped your Mama...


Were you there? Were you on Dick Clark's staff and had to be subjected to it?
You're taking something that shouldn't affect your life pretty seriously.

lol

lol I know right. really wtf...some people confused

FUNKNROLL! dancing jig "February 2014, wow". 'dre. nod
Reply #66 posted 12/19/12 4:10am

jackson35

chocolate1 said:

jackson35 said:

do u like being given notes when u are talking to someone? do u like having someone throwing fingers in your face when u are them a question? he has not given this man respect at all when they were in the same building. i will never forget the night prince was at the american music awards in 85 and he had dick's crew all discombobulated because he would not answer any question about anything. he had big chick or fargnoli talk for him and i just remember dick being very frustrated with him and he did't give a damn.

Wow...

You act like Prince slapped your Mama...


Were you there? Were you on Dick Clark's staff and had to be subjected to it?
You're taking something that shouldn't affect your life pretty seriously.

lol

yes i was there and no i didn't work for dick, i was independently contracted to prince's manangment team and i witness him being disrepectful to dick clark which is why i say this tribute is phony. he invited prince on his show and he was rude.

Reply #67 posted 12/19/12 5:02am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

buttcheeks said:

I remember prince saying at an awards show that he wanted to thank Dick Clark for helping him put Prince to bed.

I am pretty sure it was the American Music Awards around The Gold Experience era

Why did he say this?

Was this around the Come period where he had the Prince is dead sloggan used and printed in the album?

Now where I come from
We don't let society tell us how it's supposed 2 be
Our clothes, our hair, we don't care
It's all about being there...
Reply #68 posted 12/19/12 5:09am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

DFUNK said:

Militant said:

This sentence makes me sad. Prince doesn't expect people to like him?

I've always sensed that Prince has found it difficult to make "genuine" friendships largely due to his public status. It's sad, but when you are a high profile celebrity, you do tend to get all manner of people throwing themselves at you, wanting to be friends, wanting you to be involved in their projects, and unfortunately this makes it hard for one to separate the genuine people from the ones who are merely self serving.

I think it's definately more to it than that, I think that whole situation with his father/family before he was even famous is the foundation,

anything after that is Prince's manufacturing

And like a lot of men, many of us do find it hard to open up and be transparently genuine

People get to close or get to into your heart, fear of loss sets in, and you do stuff to push them away. Cover it up with reasons, professional reasons, religious reasons, ...the Revolution, Wendy & Lisa, Sheila E. Morris Day -the Time etc etc

these people back then mostly knew him before his 'fame' hit, or when it was still fresh and new

Most people after that period would most likely be in a more distanced position in his life

Mico & Dr Fink were the last of the people of that period before the Batman-GB- period where Prince was still fresh and new

Now where I come from
We don't let society tell us how it's supposed 2 be
Our clothes, our hair, we don't care
It's all about being there...
Reply #69 posted 12/19/12 5:15am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

Threadbare said:

If memory serves, this seems a bit rare for Prince to acknowledge the passing of someone big. Normally, he's silent on it. Maybe that signifies just how much Clark meant to him.

death also causes people to acknowledge wrongs they've committed, whether sins of omision or things done directly

If found that at times some of the most broken people at funerals are the one who 'came to the understanding' that they treated this person wrong, never made things right, or took family friends etc for granted e

Now where I come from
We don't let society tell us how it's supposed 2 be
Our clothes, our hair, we don't care
It's all about being there...
Reply #70 posted 12/19/12 5:17am

chocolate1

jackson35 said:

chocolate1 said:

Wow...

You act like Prince slapped your Mama...


Were you there? Were you on Dick Clark's staff and had to be subjected to it?
You're taking something that shouldn't affect your life pretty seriously.

lol

yes i was there and no i didn't work for dick, i was independently contracted to prince's manangment team and i witness him being disrepectful to dick clark which is why i say this tribute is phony. he invited prince on his show and he was rude.

Well there ya go...

It wasn't to you, but you've held onto it for 30 years and can't conceive of people changing...

Thank you for clarifying. wink


"...Rock and Roll is dead. The Boys and Girls from the Mickey Mouse Club clocked it in the head..." -Alice Smith, "Fake is the New Real" giggle
Reply #71 posted 12/19/12 7:37am

KCOOLMUZIQ

jackson35 said:

chocolate1 said:

Wow...

You act like Prince slapped your Mama...


Were you there? Were you on Dick Clark's staff and had to be subjected to it?
You're taking something that shouldn't affect your life pretty seriously.

lol

yes i was there and no i didn't work for dick, i was independently contracted to prince's manangment team and i witness him being disrepectful to dick clark which is why i say this tribute is phony. he invited prince on his show and he was rude.

Prince didn't talk to anyone back then. It wasn't just Dick Clark. Even peeps that worked for him didn't get much convo. If Dick was that pissed off it was his show. He could have just asked him or his people politely to leave. Most rock stars have attitudes anyway. Dick is use to that behavior.

Plus that was ages ago Prince has changed. This is his own little way to acknowledge his old ways & put them to bed...People here need to leave the past & live in the now. Prince has. Accept his heartfelt little note to Mr. Clark & move on.

"A brand-new studio album is on the way and both Warner Bros. Records & Eye are quite pleased with the results of the negotiations & look 4ward 2 a fruitful working relationship," prince said n a news release! All prince needs 2 do 2 take over the world again
Reply #72 posted 12/19/12 8:34am

wonder505

jackson35 said:

chocolate1 said:

Wow...

You act like Prince slapped your Mama...


Were you there? Were you on Dick Clark's staff and had to be subjected to it?
You're taking something that shouldn't affect your life pretty seriously.

lol

yes i was there and no i didn't work for dick, i was independently contracted to prince's manangment team and i witness him being disrepectful to dick clark which is why i say this tribute is phony. he invited prince on his show and he was rude.

but that was 30 years ago and you don't know Prince personally to know what he was feeling when he wrote that tribute. in addition, how do you if they have corresponding over the years since that first appearance on American BandStand, are you aware of every little communication they've had since then to know for a fact what Prince feels?

Reply #73 posted 12/19/12 8:38am

wonder505

chocolate1 said:

jackson35 said:

yes i was there and no i didn't work for dick, i was independently contracted to prince's manangment team and i witness him being disrepectful to dick clark which is why i say this tribute is phony. he invited prince on his show and he was rude.

Well there ya go...

It wasn't to you, but you've held onto it for 30 years and can't conceive of people changing...

Thank you for clarifying. wink

lol

Reply #74 posted 12/19/12 10:33am

catpark

wonder505 said:

jackson35 said:

yes i was there and no i didn't work for dick, i was independently contracted to prince's manangment team and i witness him being disrepectful to dick clark which is why i say this tribute is phony. he invited prince on his show and he was rude.

but that was 30 years ago and you don't know Prince personally to know what he was feeling when he wrote that tribute. in addition, how do you if they have corresponding over the years since that first appearance on American BandStand, are you aware of every little communication they've had since then to know for a fact what Prince feels?

This true. Also very often more that not shyness is mistaken for rudeness. And unless people know Prince personally they know nothing of what hes like or who he is friends with.

FUNKNROLL! dancing jig "February 2014, wow". 'dre. nod
Reply #75 posted 12/19/12 10:41am

rdhull

jackson35 said:

chocolate1 said:

Wow...

You act like Prince slapped your Mama...


Were you there? Were you on Dick Clark's staff and had to be subjected to it?
You're taking something that shouldn't affect your life pretty seriously.

lol

yes i was there and no i didn't work for dick, i was independently contracted to prince's manangment team and i witness him being disrepectful to dick clark which is why i say this tribute is phony. he invited prince on his show and he was rude.

It sure didnt stop you from getting that paycheck supoposedly working for him now did it?

[Snip - luv4u]

Roger Ebert:rest in peace
Reply #76 posted 12/19/12 11:23am

KCOOLMUZIQ

Ur a bully!!!!!disbelief

"A brand-new studio album is on the way and both Warner Bros. Records & Eye are quite pleased with the results of the negotiations & look 4ward 2 a fruitful working relationship," prince said n a news release! All prince needs 2 do 2 take over the world again
Reply #77 posted 12/19/12 11:28am

Sexymf77

rdhull said:

jackson35 said:

yes i was there and no i didn't work for dick, i was independently contracted to prince's manangment team and i witness him being disrepectful to dick clark which is why i say this tribute is phony. he invited prince on his show and he was rude.

It sure didnt stop you from getting that paycheck supoposedly working for him now did it?

[Snip - luv4u]

Wow lol

Shut up already...Damn!
Reply #78 posted 12/19/12 1:17pm

jackson35

rdhull said:

jackson35 said:

yes i was there and no i didn't work for dick, i was independently contracted to prince's manangment team and i witness him being disrepectful to dick clark which is why i say this tribute is phony. he invited prince on his show and he was rude.

It sure didnt stop you from getting that paycheck supoposedly working for him now did it?

Siddown and shaddup.

i'd work for his managers not prince. prince was not their only client. prince is very lucky that dick is not one of those mean cuss in this business other wise he would have been done. i tell u this he would not have pull that stunt on don corneilus, that's why he never went on.

Reply #79 posted 12/19/12 1:22pm

KCOOLMUZIQ

Prince did go on Soul Train & still didn't have to talk...

"A brand-new studio album is on the way and both Warner Bros. Records & Eye are quite pleased with the results of the negotiations & look 4ward 2 a fruitful working relationship," prince said n a news release! All prince needs 2 do 2 take over the world again
Reply #80 posted 12/19/12 1:25pm

wonder505

jackson35 said:

rdhull said:

It sure didnt stop you from getting that paycheck supoposedly working for him now did it?

Siddown and shaddup.

i'd work for his managers not prince. prince was not their only client. prince is very lucky that dick is not one of those mean cuss in this business other wise he would have been done. i tell u this he would not have pull that stunt on don corneilus, that's why he never went on.

Prince did go on Soul Train. confuse

Dude you seem bitter. lol

Reply #81 posted 12/19/12 5:40pm

fantasticjoy

I can't believe someone could question Prince's sincerity towards Dick Clark. After all this is a man who doesn't often comment about anyone.

I do believe Prince regret his behaviour. Like others said that was 30 something years ago.

If he took a moment in one of his concerts to pay Rick James respect after all they been through, how can you not think he has no respect for Dick Clark?

Reply #82 posted 12/19/12 6:16pm

rdhull

jackson35 said:

rdhull said:

It sure didnt stop you from getting that paycheck supoposedly working for him now did it?

Siddown and shaddup.

i'd work for his managers not prince. prince was not their only client. prince is very lucky that dick is not one of those mean cuss in this business other wise he would have been done. i tell u this he would not have pull that stunt on don corneilus, that's why he never went on.

You are like the drunk person at a funeral who upsets the procession speaking about a speaker giving their condolences.

What kind if professional speaks ill of well known eccentric mercucial artists, musicians, actors etc. It seems like you were ill prepared for your employ.

You should call your parents and ask the why they failed to provide you with any home training.

Roger Ebert:rest in peace
Reply #83 posted 12/19/12 8:46pm

jackson35

rdhull said:

jackson35 said:

i'd work for his managers not prince. prince was not their only client. prince is very lucky that dick is not one of those mean cuss in this business other wise he would have been done. i tell u this he would not have pull that stunt on don corneilus, that's why he never went on.

You are like the drunk person at a funeral who upsets the procession speaking about a speaker giving their condolences.

What kind if professional speaks ill of well known eccentric mercucial artists, musicians, actors etc. It seems like you were ill prepared for your employ.

You should call your parents and ask the why they failed to provide you with any home training.

I don't need to do anything but tell the truth. in reference to dick clark, prince did not show this man the respect that he deserve when he was alive. even his bands members though that shit was wrong. i'm glad dick gave prince a tatse of his own medicine when when doves cry was not nominated for any of the top catorgorys in 85. he had an adittude about it the whole night.

Reply #84 posted 12/19/12 9:25pm

wonder505

jackson35 said:

rdhull said:

You are like the drunk person at a funeral who upsets the procession speaking about a speaker giving their condolences.

What kind if professional speaks ill of well known eccentric mercucial artists, musicians, actors etc. It seems like you were ill prepared for your employ.

You should call your parents and ask the why they failed to provide you with any home training.

I don't need to do anything but tell the truth. in reference to dick clark, prince did not show this man the respect that he deserve when he was alive. even his bands members though that shit was wrong. i'm glad dick gave prince a tatse of his own medicine when when doves cry was not nominated for any of the top catorgorys in 85. he had an adittude about it the whole night.

how do you know for sure that Prince and Dick Clark have had no form of friendly communication ever or showed him no respect since that incident 30 years ago. You know that for a fact? you base everything on an incident so long ago but you dont have any facts to base on what PRince is feeling now. just saying.

Reply #85 posted 12/20/12 2:35am

chocolate1

wonder505 said:

jackson35 said:

I don't need to do anything but tell the truth. in reference to dick clark, prince did not show this man the respect that he deserve when he was alive. even his bands members though that shit was wrong. i'm glad dick gave prince a tatse of his own medicine when when doves cry was not nominated for any of the top catorgorys in 85. he had an adittude about it the whole night.

how do you know for sure that Prince and Dick Clark have had no form of friendly communication ever or showed him no respect since that incident 30 years ago. You know that for a fact? you base everything on an incident so long ago but you dont have any facts to base on what PRince is feeling now. just saying.

nod

Seems to me that this person has been waiting to "unveil some inside info":

wave "I was there! I seent it! I seent tha whole thing!"

*insert cool points here*

punctuation snafu redface


"...Rock and Roll is dead. The Boys and Girls from the Mickey Mouse Club clocked it in the head..." -Alice Smith, "Fake is the New Real" giggle
Reply #86 posted 12/20/12 6:53am

KCOOLMUZIQ

"A brand-new studio album is on the way and both Warner Bros. Records & Eye are quite pleased with the results of the negotiations & look 4ward 2 a fruitful working relationship," prince said n a news release! All prince needs 2 do 2 take over the world again
Reply #87 posted 12/20/12 3:31pm

purplegemini

Sigh. I knew the org would of argued about this, clearly Prince and Clark cleared up their discrepencies. And OFC prince knew how much of an ass he was being on that show in his statement "I am not sure why Clark liked me", seems like Clark never judged him despite him being an ass! like you all are doing now....So in return he began liking him as well....Now can we get over this...and move on....

Reply #88 posted 12/20/12 4:12pm

jackson35

purplegemini said:

Sigh. I knew the org would of argued about this, clearly Prince and Clark cleared up their discrepencies. And OFC prince knew how much of an ass he was being on that show in his statement "I am not sure why Clark liked me", seems like Clark never judged him despite him being an ass! like you all are doing now....So in return he began liking him as well....Now can we get over this...and move on....

mr clark got over it and got even. did any of you notice that prince never won top honiors in any of these award shows even when he was pistol red hot?

Reply #89 posted 12/20/12 4:18pm

bashraka

jackson35 said:

purplegemini said:

Sigh. I knew the org would of argued about this, clearly Prince and Clark cleared up their discrepencies. And OFC prince knew how much of an ass he was being on that show in his statement "I am not sure why Clark liked me", seems like Clark never judged him despite him being an ass! like you all are doing now....So in return he began liking him as well....Now can we get over this...and move on....

mr clark got over it and got even. did any of you notice that prince never won top honiors in any of these award shows even when he was pistol red hot?

Who gives a fuck? I mean damn! You think Prince gives a damn about awards he didn't win, 30 years after the fact?

3121 #1 THIS YEAR
Reply #90 posted 12/20/12 4:36pm

Elle85n09

Prince did win three or four American Music Awards in 1985. confuse

Reply #91 posted 12/20/12 4:49pm

Elle85n09

He also won two or three Grammy Awards for the year 1984, but back then the award shows were televised live in 1985. Idk how they handle the Oscar, American Music, and Grammy Award shows in recent years. Don't get much of a chance to watch anymore.

Reply #92 posted 12/20/12 10:54pm

dag

That was nice of Prince.

"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
Reply #93 posted 12/21/12 4:33am

jackson35

Elle85n09 said:

He also won two or three Grammy Awards for the year 1984, but back then the award shows were televised live in 1985. Idk how they handle the Oscar, American Music, and Grammy Award shows in recent years. Don't get much of a chance to watch anymore.

he didn't win the top awards like song of the year, record of the year

Reply #94 posted 12/21/12 5:36am

KCOOLMUZIQ

At that time. He was fortunate enough to win what he won. They only let a few in. Mj was let in after the shun of his OTW album with Thriller. They wouldn't give it to another one...

"A brand-new studio album is on the way and both Warner Bros. Records & Eye are quite pleased with the results of the negotiations & look 4ward 2 a fruitful working relationship," prince said n a news release! All prince needs 2 do 2 take over the world again
Reply #95 posted 12/21/12 10:00am

wonder505

jackson35 said:

Elle85n09 said:

He also won two or three Grammy Awards for the year 1984, but back then the award shows were televised live in 1985. Idk how they handle the Oscar, American Music, and Grammy Award shows in recent years. Don't get much of a chance to watch anymore.

he didn't win the top awards like song of the year, record of the year

ok this is getting childish. what is your point??? if dick clark got "even" as you say, 30 years ago, what does that prove about what Prince is feeling now? what facts do you have the Dick Clark and Prince has never had any friendly communication over the years. Where are your facts of the now?

Reply #96 posted 12/22/12 1:59am

jackson35

wonder505 said:

jackson35 said:

he didn't win the top awards like song of the year, record of the year

ok this is getting childish. what is your point??? if dick clark got "even" as you say, 30 years ago, what does that prove about what Prince is feeling now? what facts do you have the Dick Clark and Prince has never had any friendly communication over the years. Where are your facts of the now?

why would prince talk to dick clark after he snubbed purple rain for album of the year for lionel ritchie can't slow down album?

Reply #97 posted 12/22/12 5:46am

chocolate1

jackson35 said:

wonder505 said:

ok this is getting childish. what is your point??? if dick clark got "even" as you say, 30 years ago, what does that prove about what Prince is feeling now? what facts do you have the Dick Clark and Prince has never had any friendly communication over the years. Where are your facts of the now?

why would prince talk to dick clark after he snubbed purple rain for album of the year for lionel ritchie can't slow down album?

Soooo....

My question is why are YOU hanging onto this?

Let. It. Go.

(Unless you suffered some kind of irreparable damage from "being in the know" 30 years ago...)

**If you're this serious about a perceived "thing" between DC & P, then you must be a joy to behold when someone in your real life "does you wrong".

Sees someone from grammar school in the mall: "You took my toy and gave me 'cooties' back in 3rd grade! I will NEVER EVER forgive you!!" hmph!

lol neutral

Sad, Dude.


"...Rock and Roll is dead. The Boys and Girls from the Mickey Mouse Club clocked it in the head..." -Alice Smith, "Fake is the New Real" giggle
Reply #98 posted 12/22/12 7:43am

jackson35

nobody is hanging on to anything. the topic is prince write tribute to dick Clark. as a former employee of fargnoli& cavallo, i witness him being disrespectful to him so i'm wondering how sincere is he? he has a tendency to show a certain level of respect when there are dead and not when they are alive. this is not a serious issue for me, it just an observation.

Reply #99 posted 12/22/12 7:58am

rdhull

jackson35 said:

nobody is hanging on to anything. the topic is prince write tribute to dick Clark. as a former employee of fargnoli& cavallo, i witness him being disrespectful to him so i'm wondering how sincere is he? he has a tendency to show a certain level of respect when there are dead and not when they are alive. this is not a serious issue for me, it just an observation.

[Snip - luv4u]

Roger Ebert:rest in peace
Reply #100 posted 12/22/12 8:03am

Doozer

jackson35 said:

nobody is hanging on to anything. the topic is prince  write tribute to dick Clark. as a former employee of fargnoli& cavallo, i witness him being disrespectful  to him so i'm wondering how sincere is he? he has a tendency to show a certain level of respect when there are dead and not when they are alive. this is not a serious issue for me, it just an observation.



Prince wrote a short paragraph in a weekly magazine. He didn't author a book or headline a tribute concert. He wrote "Not sure why but Mr. Clark seemed 2 genuinely like me." He didn't claim that he was a lifelong friend or a major part if his life or his success. All the reasons you've posted questioning the relationship seem to be answered in the short written tribute itself.
Reply #101 posted 12/22/12 8:45am

wonder505

jackson35 said:

wonder505 said:

ok this is getting childish. what is your point??? if dick clark got "even" as you say, 30 years ago, what does that prove about what Prince is feeling now? what facts do you have the Dick Clark and Prince has never had any friendly communication over the years. Where are your facts of the now?

why would prince talk to dick clark after he snubbed purple rain for album of the year for lionel ritchie can't slow down album?

why would he not? and how do you know they never exchanged communication?

you have a right to believe in what you believe, its just that you're not in the "know" or Prince circle now, your basing your "observation" on an incident that happened 30 years ago and that to me does not warrant questioning somone's sincerity now, especially when you have no facts on what went on after that incident up until Dick Clark died.

Reply #102 posted 12/22/12 8:47am

wonder505

chocolate1 said:

jackson35 said:

why would prince talk to dick clark after he snubbed purple rain for album of the year for lionel ritchie can't slow down album?

Soooo....

My question is why are YOU hanging onto this?

Let. It. Go.

(Unless you suffered some kind of irreparable damage from "being in the know" 30 years ago...)

**If you're this serious about a perceived "thing" between DC & P, then you must be a joy to behold when someone in your real life "does you wrong".

Sees someone from grammar school in the mall: "You took my toy and gave me 'cooties' back in 3rd grade! I will NEVER EVER forgive you!!" hmph!

lol neutral

Sad, Dude.

Yup cuz whatever we did in our 20s will forever define us now. We're all damned!!! hahaha

Reply #103 posted 12/22/12 3:36pm

jackson35

wonder505 said:

jackson35 said:

why would prince talk to dick clark after he snubbed purple rain for album of the year for lionel ritchie can't slow down album?

why would he not? and how do you know they never exchanged communication?

you have a right to believe in what you believe, its just that you're not in the "know" or Prince circle now, your basing your "observation" on an incident that happened 30 years ago and that to me does not warrant questioning somone's sincerity now, especially when you have no facts on what went on after that incident up until Dick Clark died.

did he not clown prince by having him perform his biggest song on the amas in 85 and then have him walk away with racialily define awards like best pop rock award or best r&b song. this was prince's biggest year and he did not get album of the year or song of the year with when doves cry. i say after dissing him at rehersals for this awards show was payback and you can attitude written all over his face that night because none of the awards he was given was top honors. prince would defintely have no reason to speak to dick after that.

Reply #104 posted 12/22/12 4:03pm

wonder505

jackson35 said:

wonder505 said:

why would he not? and how do you know they never exchanged communication?

you have a right to believe in what you believe, its just that you're not in the "know" or Prince circle now, your basing your "observation" on an incident that happened 30 years ago and that to me does not warrant questioning somone's sincerity now, especially when you have no facts on what went on after that incident up until Dick Clark died.

did he not clown prince by having him perform his biggest song on the amas in 85 and then have him walk away with racialily define awards like best pop rock award or best r&b song. this was prince's biggest year and he did not get album of the year or song of the year with when doves cry. i say after dissing him at rehersals for this awards show was payback and you can attitude written all over his face that night because none of the awards he was given was top honors. prince would defintely have no reason to speak to dick after that.

Oh I get it. You're just ASSUMING that Prince never spoke to Dick ever again because of that incident alone, and you're GUESSING that Prince never respected Dick Clark ever in 30 years until his death, without any facts to prove it. and because you had some one off job 30 years ago in 1980 or whatever, you claim to know exactly what PRince is feeling now in 2012.

[Edited 12/22/12 16:05pm]

Reply #105 posted 12/22/12 10:00pm

jackson35

wonder505 said:

jackson35 said:

did he not clown prince by having him perform his biggest song on the amas in 85 and then have him walk away with racialily define awards like best pop rock award or best r&b song. this was prince's biggest year and he did not get album of the year or song of the year with when doves cry. i say after dissing him at rehersals for this awards show was payback and you can attitude written all over his face that night because none of the awards he was given was top honors. prince would defintely have no reason to speak to dick after that.

Oh I get it. You're just ASSUMING that Prince never spoke to Dick ever again because of that incident alone, and you're GUESSING that Prince never respected Dick Clark ever in 30 years until his death, without any facts to prove it. and because you had some one off job 30 years ago in 1980 or whatever, you claim to know exactly what PRince is feeling now in 2012.

[Edited 12/22/12 16:05pm]

prince lets management and assistants and or bodyguards communicate with people like dick clark if he wants to do his awards shows. he also gives instructions that has to be follow or he will not participate in any media affair. i known because he told his people to tell dick if he has anything to say to him, relay it to his people and he will get back to him. dick Clark was the first victim of his ego when he started doing TV shows.

Reply #106 posted 12/22/12 10:57pm

KCOOLMUZIQ

jackson35 said:

wonder505 said:

Oh I get it. You're just ASSUMING that Prince never spoke to Dick ever again because of that incident alone, and you're GUESSING that Prince never respected Dick Clark ever in 30 years until his death, without any facts to prove it. and because you had some one off job 30 years ago in 1980 or whatever, you claim to know exactly what PRince is feeling now in 2012.

[Edited 12/22/12 16:05pm]

prince lets management and assistants and or bodyguards communicate with people like dick clark if he wants to do his awards shows. he also gives instructions that has to be follow or he will not participate in any media affair. i known because he told his people to tell dick if he has anything to say to him, relay it to his people and he will get back to him. dick Clark was the first victim of his ego when he started doing TV shows.

rolleyes

Every artist. Especially the ones as big as Prince. Let's their manager or assistant or publicist handle any appearances they make. That is what they are for. What artist is going to personally call Dick Clark? "Oh I'm attending the next AMA's have my seat ready"..Please! Stop trying to make Prince out to be a jerk. That is normal behavior for any rock star,pop star,movie star..etc...Has nothing to do with ego. Prince had other things to do. Like a mega million dollar world tour!! Another platinum selling album to make!!... Are U here to trash Prince? Just because of a dedication letter to Mr. Clark! OMG

rolleyes

"A brand-new studio album is on the way and both Warner Bros. Records & Eye are quite pleased with the results of the negotiations & look 4ward 2 a fruitful working relationship," prince said n a news release! All prince needs 2 do 2 take over the world again
Reply #107 posted 12/22/12 11:17pm

wonder505

jackson35 said:

wonder505 said:

Oh I get it. You're just ASSUMING that Prince never spoke to Dick ever again because of that incident alone, and you're GUESSING that Prince never respected Dick Clark ever in 30 years until his death, without any facts to prove it. and because you had some one off job 30 years ago in 1980 or whatever, you claim to know exactly what PRince is feeling now in 2012.

[Edited 12/22/12 16:05pm]

prince lets management and assistants and or bodyguards communicate with people like dick clark if he wants to do his awards shows. he also gives instructions that has to be follow or he will not participate in any media affair. i known because he told his people to tell dick if he has anything to say to him, relay it to his people and he will get back to him. dick Clark was the first victim of his ego when he started doing TV shows.

Maybe its me but I thought that's how most artists roll. Yeah Prince has an ego I guess, but so does many other artist, and I thought they have a management team in place for this reason.

We will have to agree to disagree. I can't assume what Prince was feeling when he wrote that letter because I don't know him a person, I'm not around him long enough or have enough facts to formulate that opinion.

Reply #108 posted 12/23/12 9:11am

Stymie

jackson35 said:

wonder505 said:

ok this is getting childish. what is your point??? if dick clark got "even" as you say, 30 years ago, what does that prove about what Prince is feeling now? what facts do you have the Dick Clark and Prince has never had any friendly communication over the years. Where are your facts of the now?

why would prince talk to dick clark after he snubbed purple rain for album of the year for lionel ritchie can't slow down album?

The awards are chosen by voters and were not chosen by Dick Clark.

Reply #109 posted 12/23/12 9:15am

Stymie

wonder505 said:

jackson35 said:

did he not clown prince by having him perform his biggest song on the amas in 85 and then have him walk away with racialily define awards like best pop rock award or best r&b song. this was prince's biggest year and he did not get album of the year or song of the year with when doves cry. i say after dissing him at rehersals for this awards show was payback and you can attitude written all over his face that night because none of the awards he was given was top honors. prince would defintely have no reason to speak to dick after that.

Oh I get it. You're just ASSUMING that Prince never spoke to Dick ever again because of that incident alone, and you're GUESSING that Prince never respected Dick Clark ever in 30 years until his death, without any facts to prove it. and because you had some one off job 30 years ago in 1980 or whatever, you claim to know exactly what PRince is feeling now in 2012.

[Edited 12/22/12 16:05pm]

This.

Considering Prince was on the AMAs at least three more times after 1985 tells me any supposed bef was squashed. Plus Prince got a lifetime achievement award which I assume had to do with Mr. Clark.

Reply #110 posted 12/23/12 9:29am

HonestMan13

I'll take "Bitter Caterers" for 500, Alex.
Prince fans. They'll say something is shit outright, still support it and then somehow blame someone else they had to deal with it.
Reply #111 posted 12/23/12 11:05am

MoBetterBliss

i swear people will look for negatives in just about everything

Reply #112 posted 12/23/12 11:14am

ZsaZsaJackson

HonestMan13 said:

I'll take "Bitter Caterers" for 500, Alex.


falloff
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Reply #113 posted 12/23/12 2:16pm

jackson35

Stymie said:

wonder505 said:

Oh I get it. You're just ASSUMING that Prince never spoke to Dick ever again because of that incident alone, and you're GUESSING that Prince never respected Dick Clark ever in 30 years until his death, without any facts to prove it. and because you had some one off job 30 years ago in 1980 or whatever, you claim to know exactly what PRince is feeling now in 2012.

[Edited 12/22/12 16:05pm]

This.

Considering Prince was on the AMAs at least three more times after 1985 tells me any supposed bef was squashed. Plus Prince got a lifetime achievement award which I assume had to do with Mr. Clark.

then tell me this.. why wasn't kiss nominated for song or record of the year? why wasn't sign of the times get the same nominations at amas? it's funny that mr clark gave him a lifetime achivement award after 10 year in the biz as an artist as opposse to stevie wonder or diana ross who has been a singer since the late 50's

Reply #114 posted 12/23/12 2:35pm

chocolate1

jackson35 said:

Stymie said:

This.

Considering Prince was on the AMAs at least three more times after 1985 tells me any supposed bef was squashed. Plus Prince got a lifetime achievement award which I assume had to do with Mr. Clark.

then tell me this.. why wasn't kiss nominated for song or record of the year? why wasn't sign of the times get the same nominations at amas? it's funny that mr clark gave him a lifetime achivement award after 10 year in the biz as an artist as opposse to stevie wonder or diana ross who has been a singer since the late 50's

doh!
Then tell me this... Why does it matter to you so much?
You say it doesn't, but you're determined to prove a point that no one agrees with you about, and frankly, makes you sound bitter.
He must have really hurt your feelings when you were doing whatever you did back then...

Were you the person sent in to speak between them, and he punked you? falloff


"...Rock and Roll is dead. The Boys and Girls from the Mickey Mouse Club clocked it in the head..." -Alice Smith, "Fake is the New Real" giggle
Reply #115 posted 12/23/12 2:53pm

2elijah

jackson35 said:

rdhull said:

You are like the drunk person at a funeral who upsets the procession speaking about a speaker giving their condolences.

What kind if professional speaks ill of well known eccentric mercucial artists, musicians, actors etc. It seems like you were ill prepared for your employ.

You should call your parents and ask the why they failed to provide you with any home training.

I don't need to do anything but tell the truth. in reference to dick clark, prince did not show this man the respect that he deserve when he was alive. even his bands members though that shit was wrong. i'm glad dick gave prince a tatse of his own medicine when when doves cry was not nominated for any of the top catorgorys in 85. he had an adittude about it the whole night.

Ok, I'm not one of those fans, who drink the purple koolaid, but, I think you're full of your own sh*t. lol I say this, because I remember you were badmouthing Prince on a thread a while back, then you jumped back on the same thread, and said you had to go, because you were called to work an event Prince was performing at that night, and you seemed to have been gloating in the excitement of it. So not sure if you're looking at your own reflection--badmouthing an artist, you somehow seem to have some not-so-nice view of, yet you don't hesitate to turn down a job offered, at an event he performs at and then make sure you mention it here. If you have such ill feelings towards someone in particular, then why would you never hesitate to be in the same space with them? So your comments are reflective of the pot calling the kettle out of its name.

It's like you have this love/bitterness-not sure-which-view-to-have-of-Prince, when you speak of him on this site, so I don't know how anyone, could take what you say seriously.

What you expressed about him not speaking much during interviews, may have been true years ago, but it isn't unusual that people change as they grow older. Like some others have said, back in his early days, it was not unusual that he didn't speak much publically or during interviews, and who knows if that wasn't part of his stage persona as an artist, to keep the mystery of his image flowing among his fans? All fans can do is speculate.

Secondly, you don't know if years later, Prince and Dick Clark conversed privately, and all was forgiven. Based on the comments he made about Dick Clark in that recent article, the point is, he acknowledged his appreciation for Dick Clark, so I don't get why you would have a problem with that.

[Edited 12/23/12 20:11pm]

Reply #116 posted 12/23/12 3:14pm

Stymie

jackson35 said:

Stymie said:

This.

Considering Prince was on the AMAs at least three more times after 1985 tells me any supposed bef was squashed. Plus Prince got a lifetime achievement award which I assume had to do with Mr. Clark.

then tell me this.. why wasn't kiss nominated for song or record of the year? why wasn't sign of the times get the same nominations at amas? it's funny that mr clark gave him a lifetime achivement award after 10 year in the biz as an artist as opposse to stevie wonder or diana ross who has been a singer since the late 50's

Because the voters, the record buying public, didn't choose it as song of the year?

Reply #117 posted 12/25/12 7:15am

vanstrass

Militant said:

Not sure why but Mr. Clark seemed to genuinely like me

This sentence makes me sad. Prince doesn't expect people to like him?

I Like him 2 xxx

Reply #118 posted 12/25/12 12:53pm

EddieC

jackson35 said:

Stymie said:

This.

Considering Prince was on the AMAs at least three more times after 1985 tells me any supposed bef was squashed. Plus Prince got a lifetime achievement award which I assume had to do with Mr. Clark.

then tell me this.. why wasn't kiss nominated for song or record of the year? why wasn't sign of the times get the same nominations at amas? it's funny that mr clark gave him a lifetime achivement award after 10 year in the biz as an artist as opposse to stevie wonder or diana ross who has been a singer since the late 50's

All right, jackson35--"Kiss" was nominated for Favorite R&B song of the year on the AMAs. And in 1986, Prince was nominated for several awards. However, Dick Clark would have little to do with those sort of awards, since nominations and wins were based on things he'd have little real influence on (see below). The career awards would have more to do with Clark and Prince's relationship, perhaps, and might provide a way to recognize Prince's influence that the normal AMAs wouldn't. The normal AMAs reward the BIGGEST commercial successes with nominations--and without a nomination, you can't win. Also, career awards serve as promotional tools for either the show or the artist or both. In 1990 when Prince got the "Award of Achievement" it could be tied to the success of the Batman project in 1989--which served as evidence he wasn't commercially dying. The 1995 "Award of Merit" was clearly Clark and the AMA's throwing some support Prince's way in the midst of the War with Warners, as he came on and did songs from the still-unreleased Gold Experience. I'm guessing that act by Clark is part of why Prince wrote the tribute in Entertainment Weekly.

Checking the relevant Wikipedia entries confirms my memory of things, so let's see if this clears some things--

Nominations for the AMA's (from the general AMA entry): "The American Music Awards have nominations based on sales, airplay, activity on social networks, and video viewing and can nominate only the works released between 1 December of the previous year and 1 September of the current year. Before 2010 had nominations based only on sales and airplay and nominated every work, even if old."

Key point here? In the relevant years (before 2010, when Dick Clark was a possible influence), SALES AND AIRPLAY were responsible for nominations--and there were only three nominations in each category. The only year when Prince's sales and airplay were very signifcant, let's be honest, was for the 1985 awards. 1984 was his dominant year. If he was going to win big, that was his shot. He got a few later nominations (left over sales from 1984 in 1985, "Kiss"), but artistic merit without MAJOR sales and airplay simply doesn't figure in the AMA formula. That's why no Sign o the Times nominations.

The actual awards in 1985:

In 1985, the AMA's gave awards in three genres of music: Pop/Rock, Soul/R&B, and Country. Prince has never done anything that can really be called country (I've been reading all the posts that seem to think otherwise, but, seriously, no.) So, if he was going to win, we've got the the Pop/Rock and Soul/R&B categories to consider. In each one of those genres, Prince could have possibly been up for 5 of the 9 awards given (he couldn't win for favorite female artist, favorite duo/band/group artist, favorite female video artist, or favorite duo,band,group video artist--or, if he and the Revolution could have won the group awards, then he wouldn't have been up for the male artist awards).

So, looking at the 10 awards (five each in pop/rock and soul/r&b) that Prince could have won in 1985--

He was NOMINATED for ALL FIVE possible pop/rock awards: male artist (also Lionel Richie and Bruce Springsteen), album (also Lionel Richie and Michael Jackson--for Thriller, which was still selling like crazy), single (also Bruce Springsteen's "Dancing in the Dark" and Tina Turner's "What's Love Got To Do With It"), video (with Richie's "Hello" and Ray Parker, Jr.'s "Ghostbusters"), and video artist (also Springsteen and Richie).

and of those five possible awards, Prince WON Favorite Pop/Rock album.

He lost four in pop/rock, but you don't need a conspiracy or a grudge on Dick Clark's part to explain why. He lost to the biggest single of Springsteen's entire career, when Springsteen was at his commercial peak--as a white boy in the Midwest, I was one of only a handful of my peers who actually owned Purple Rain. Everybody had Born in the USA. If Springsteen hadn't won something in his only available category (Pop/Rock)--and Pop/Rock Single was his only win--that would have been really strange. When people were voting for "Favorite Pop/Rock" anything, Prince had to overcome genre assumptions. Yes, they were being changed, as Lionel Richie's wins show--but the process was still going on--and Prince, besides being black, was up against his own weirdness. In a public poll like the AMA's, being safe or comfortable is really important. People liked Prince--unless they didn't, in which case they had strong negative reactions. Lionel Richie and Bruce Springsteen didn't tend to create that kind of polarization.

No one claims now that Can't Slow Down is one of the greatest albums of all time, but in 1985 Lionel Richie was, like Prince and Springsteen (and Tina Turner, for that matter) riding the biggest wave of popularity he would experience--he had 5 top ten singles from Can't Slow Down. Prince only had four from Purple Rain. Can't Slow Down was a understandable favorite album of the year winner. Richie won for two video awards (artist and specific video)--he had 5 top ten singles with videos from Can't Slow Down, "Hello" (which won) was a narrative video about a blind woman sculpting her lover's face--people who couldn't stand Richie, the song, or music in general cried at the thing, and his videos were all full productions. Except for "When Doves Cry" and it's creeping bath and crawling across the floor imagery (again--either you like it or you go EWWWWWWW!!!!!), Prince's videos were all performance or film montage (or both). Just plain lazy, really. The songs were strong enough that the videos got played--but the videos didn't deserve a nomination on their own merits.

As a fourteen year old overwhelmed by discovering Prince's back catalog as well as The Time and Vanity 6 and the 1984 releases from the rest of the royal court--yeah, I thought he should have gotten the other four Pop/Rock awards. I was wrong. He was MY favorite (and by many standards his work might have been the best)--but I couldn't have put together a poll of the public that would have given him those awards, even if I'd tried.

On the soul/R&B side: NOMINATED for ALL FIVE again. In addition, one might consider two of the nominations for Favorite Female to be at least partially his doing, since Sheila E.'s album was pretty much his and Chaka Khan's sales and airplay in 1984 came mostly through his song "I Feel For You."

He WON TWO--album (beating Richie and Michael Jackson) and single (beating "Ghostbusters" and "What's Love Got To Do With It"). He lost the video awards to Lionel Richie in a repeat of the Pop/Rock category--as he should have. And he lost Favorite Male Artist, again to Lionel Richie. But Richie had the same sort of broad appeal as always. Ballads that played on softer format stations, dance tracks that, well, sounded normal and had bass lines. And no parts of the album you had to worry about your kid or your mother hearing. Everybody might not love Lionel Richie, but nobody hates him either. That's how you win a popular vote.

But the biggest evidence that Prince's "poor performance" (won 3 awards out of the ten he was eligible for and nominated for all ten) at the 1985 AMA's wasn't because he was pouty on American Bandstand:

The 1985 Grammy Awards.

The Big Cross-Genre Awards
Song--nope, "What's Love Got To Do With It"

Record--nope. "What's Love Got To Do With It"

Album--nope. Can't Slow Down.

Producer--nope. Lionel Richie's crew won it. And Prince might have had a case for this one.

So, wait. What did Prince win at the 1985 Grammies?

Well, he, daddy, and the girls won for COMPOSING the "Best Album of Original Score Written for a Motion Picture or a Television Special" (composition, not performance award)

and he and the Revolution won for "Best Rock Performance by a Duo or Group with Vocal" (the AMA's had him a solo artist, remember) for the Purple Rain album.

Oh--wait, his incredible 1984 contributions were also recognized with his win for "Best Rhythm and Blues Song"!!

Well, not really. He won that for a song he released in 1979. Oh well. "I Feel For You" is a good song. Though less so than almost anything on the four albums Prince was responsible for in 1984. Or, for that matter, than "Sugar Walls."

Maybe Dick Clark poisoned that the Grammy well, too.

Or maybe Prince just plain lost. Except when he won.

Eddie

Reply #119 posted 12/25/12 1:12pm

Dreamer2

vanstrass said:

Militant said:

This sentence makes me sad. Prince doesn't expect people to like him?

I Like him 2 xxx

Prince wrote this for Dick Clark in 2012 ....we can all trust the fact he is much wiser and older and understands people alot better ... Clark must really have liked him but I guess Prince never asked him why?

Eye Was Born & Raised On The Same Plantation In The United States Of The Red, White And Blue Eye Never Knew That Eye Was Different Til Dr. King Was On The Balcony
Lying In A Bloody Pool......Call me a Dreamer 2 - R.I.P - James Brown and Michael Jackson
Reply #120 posted 12/26/12 12:12am

jackson35

2elijah said:

jackson35 said:

I don't need to do anything but tell the truth. in reference to dick clark, prince did not show this man the respect that he deserve when he was alive. even his bands members though that shit was wrong. i'm glad dick gave prince a tatse of his own medicine when when doves cry was not nominated for any of the top catorgorys in 85. he had an adittude about it the whole night.

Ok, I'm not one of those fans, who drink the purple koolaid, but, I think you're full of your own sh*t. lol I say this, because I remember you were badmouthing Prince on a thread a while back, then you jumped back on the same thread, and said you had to go, because you were called to work an event Prince was performing at that night, and you seemed to have been gloating in the excitement of it. So not sure if you're looking at your own reflection--badmouthing an artist, you somehow seem to have some not-so-nice view of, yet you don't hesitate to turn down a job offered, at an event he performs at and then make sure you mention it here. If you have such ill feelings towards someone in particular, then why would you never hesitate to be in the same space with them? So your comments are reflective of the pot calling the kettle out of its name.

It's like you have this love/bitterness-not sure-which-view-to-have-of-Prince, when you speak of him on this site, so I don't know how anyone, could take what you say seriously.

What you expressed about him not speaking much during interviews, may have been true years ago, but it isn't unusual that people change as they grow older. Like some others have said, back in his early days, it was not unusual that he didn't speak much publically or during interviews, and who knows if that wasn't part of his stage persona as an artist, to keep the mystery of his image flowing among his fans? All fans can do is speculate.

Secondly, you don't know if years later, Prince and Dick Clark conversed privately, and all was forgiven. Based on the comments he made about Dick Clark in that recent article, the point is, he acknowledged his appreciation for Dick Clark, so I don't get why you would have a problem with that.

[Edited 12/23/12 20:11pm]

all i said in reference to the topic at hand is that i don't think the quote was sincere given the way prince treated Mr Clark on hie first appearance on ab and his behavior behind the scenes. as a fan I'm entitled to my opinion. Mr Clark never said he got over it, otherwise he would have never mention it. if prince called Mr Clark and apologize, he would have never told the public that prince was his most difficult interview because prince apologized for that bullshit he pulled. lets not act like the interview segment of his 79 appearance is not cringe worthy.

Reply #121 posted 12/26/12 4:15am

chocolate1

jackson35 said:

2elijah said:

Ok, I'm not one of those fans, who drink the purple koolaid, but, I think you're full of your own sh*t. lol I say this, because I remember you were badmouthing Prince on a thread a while back, then you jumped back on the same thread, and said you had to go, because you were called to work an event Prince was performing at that night, and you seemed to have been gloating in the excitement of it. So not sure if you're looking at your own reflection--badmouthing an artist, you somehow seem to have some not-so-nice view of, yet you don't hesitate to turn down a job offered, at an event he performs at and then make sure you mention it here. If you have such ill feelings towards someone in particular, then why would you never hesitate to be in the same space with them? So your comments are reflective of the pot calling the kettle out of its name.

It's like you have this love/bitterness-not sure-which-view-to-have-of-Prince, when you speak of him on this site, so I don't know how anyone, could take what you say seriously.

What you expressed about him not speaking much during interviews, may have been true years ago, but it isn't unusual that people change as they grow older. Like some others have said, back in his early days, it was not unusual that he didn't speak much publically or during interviews, and who knows if that wasn't part of his stage persona as an artist, to keep the mystery of his image flowing among his fans? All fans can do is speculate.

Secondly, you don't know if years later, Prince and Dick Clark conversed privately, and all was forgiven. Based on the comments he made about Dick Clark in that recent article, the point is, he acknowledged his appreciation for Dick Clark, so I don't get why you would have a problem with that.

[Edited 12/23/12 20:11pm]

all i said in reference to the topic at hand is that i don't think the quote was sincere given the way prince treated Mr Clark on hie first appearance on ab and his behavior behind the scenes. as a fan I'm entitled to my opinion. Mr Clark never said he got over it, otherwise he would have never mention it. if prince called Mr Clark and apologize, he would have never told the public that prince was his most difficult interview because prince apologized for that bullshit he pulled. lets not act like the interview segment of his 79 appearance is not cringe worthy.

  • Even if P & DC became drinking buddies, it would not change the fact that it was a tough interview. An apology- made or not- does not erase the difficulty of that particular incident. So I don't understand what you're trying to say... Do you really think, that in the thousands of appearances and interviews that DC did over the years, that he lay awake at night agonizing over the one with Prince ? Really? ohgoon
  • And why would DC say he did or did not get over it publicly? It seems like the only one who hasn't gotten over it is you. neutral (I still say P must have really hurt your feelings! lol)
  • "79 Appearance". Exactly. The article was written by Prince in 2012. It is amazing to me that you can't conceive of someone changing in 33 years... (Yeah, it was hard to watch... I was in junior high school at the time, and I thought he was weird.)
  • And yes, just like the rest of us who are fans, you are entitled to your opinion/speculation. However, the reason you are being ridden so hard is because you didn't come to this thread with a fan's perspective. You showed up with a one-line comment, shouted in capitals, about how Prince was insincere and disrespectful, backing it up with "facts" pulled from your "experience" from back in the day. You tried to come off like you were "definitely in the know"... When people cried "BS & Shenanigans", you started spouting inaccurate info about awards and covert revenge...

Question: You've mentioned what it was like working in that realm 30 years ago... When was the last time you were around Prince? Do you know what he's like now?


"...Rock and Roll is dead. The Boys and Girls from the Mickey Mouse Club clocked it in the head..." -Alice Smith, "Fake is the New Real" giggle
Reply #122 posted 12/26/12 3:30pm

jackson35

chocolate1 said:

jackson35 said:

all i said in reference to the topic at hand is that i don't think the quote was sincere given the way prince treated Mr Clark on hie first appearance on ab and his behavior behind the scenes. as a fan I'm entitled to my opinion. Mr Clark never said he got over it, otherwise he would have never mention it. if prince called Mr Clark and apologize, he would have never told the public that prince was his most difficult interview because prince apologized for that bullshit he pulled. lets not act like the interview segment of his 79 appearance is not cringe worthy.

  • Even if P & DC became drinking buddies, it would not change the fact that it was a tough interview. An apology- made or not- does not erase the difficulty of that particular incident. So I don't understand what you're trying to say... Do you really think, that in the thousands of appearances and interviews that DC did over the years, that he lay awake at night agonizing over the one with Prince ? Really? ohgoon
  • And why would DC say he did or did not get over it publicly? It seems like the only one who hasn't gotten over it is you. neutral (I still say P must have really hurt your feelings! lol)
  • "79 Appearance". Exactly. The article was written by Prince in 2012. It is amazing to me that you can't conceive of someone changing in 33 years... (Yeah, it was hard to watch... I was in junior high school at the time, and I thought he was weird.)
  • And yes, just like the rest of us who are fans, you are entitled to your opinion/speculation. However, the reason you are being ridden so hard is because you didn't come to this thread with a fan's perspective. You showed up with a one-line comment, shouted in capitals, about how Prince was insincere and disrespectful, backing it up with "facts" pulled from your "experience" from back in the day. You tried to come off like you were "definitely in the know"... When people cried "BS & Shenanigans", you started spouting inaccurate info about awards and covert revenge...

Question: You've mentioned what it was like working in that realm 30 years ago... When was the last time you were around Prince? Do you know what he's like now?

the last time i work with prince was the 21 night stint at the garden here in nyc. if me clark and prince did't have beef then explan why he was not invited back to do ab in 81, 82, and 83? why did mr did mr clark mail out a lust of songs to be voted on in ama in 85 and not add wdc as song of the year or record of the year? prince had the hottest album in the country and he treated him like a anoither r&b artist in the mix. i say dick clark was trying to teach prince who plays hardball better then anyone in this business and tha'ts dick clark.

Reply #123 posted 12/26/12 4:15pm

HonestMan13

Oh God we give up! Prince is a musical genius which is only paralleled by his wickedly evil brilliance and sinisterly horrible interview skills. Dick Clark died tortured by the one interview in his entire career that caused him decades of untold misery and suffering. On th autopsy report as cause of death the coroner wrote "Prince interview AB". Prince should be ashamed of himself. He killed Dick Clark.

Prince fans. They'll say something is shit outright, still support it and then somehow blame someone else they had to deal with it.
Reply #124 posted 12/26/12 5:12pm

VictoR3mix

jackson35 said:

chocolate1 said:

  • Even if P & DC became drinking buddies, it would not change the fact that it was a tough interview. An apology- made or not- does not erase the difficulty of that particular incident. So I don't understand what you're trying to say... Do you really think, that in the thousands of appearances and interviews that DC did over the years, that he lay awake at night agonizing over the one with Prince ? Really? ohgoon
  • And why would DC say he did or did not get over it publicly? It seems like the only one who hasn't gotten over it is you. neutral (I still say P must have really hurt your feelings! lol)
  • "79 Appearance". Exactly. The article was written by Prince in 2012. It is amazing to me that you can't conceive of someone changing in 33 years... (Yeah, it was hard to watch... I was in junior high school at the time, and I thought he was weird.)
  • And yes, just like the rest of us who are fans, you are entitled to your opinion/speculation. However, the reason you are being ridden so hard is because you didn't come to this thread with a fan's perspective. You showed up with a one-line comment, shouted in capitals, about how Prince was insincere and disrespectful, backing it up with "facts" pulled from your "experience" from back in the day. You tried to come off like you were "definitely in the know"... When people cried "BS & Shenanigans", you started spouting inaccurate info about awards and covert revenge...

Question: You've mentioned what it was like working in that realm 30 years ago... When was the last time you were around Prince? Do you know what he's like now?

the last time i work with prince was the 21 night stint at the garden here in nyc. if me clark and prince did't have beef then explan why he was not invited back to do ab in 81, 82, and 83? why did mr did mr clark mail out a lust of songs to be voted on in ama in 85 and not add wdc as song of the year or record of the year? prince had the hottest album in the country and he treated him like a anoither r&b artist in the mix. i say dick clark was trying to teach prince who plays hardball better then anyone in this business and tha'ts dick clark.

Prince never performed for 21 nights at Madison Square Garden. He only performed 4 shows there from late 2010 to early 2011. The 21 Nite Stand was in Inglewood, California...

[Edited 12/26/12 17:13pm]

Reply #125 posted 12/26/12 6:59pm

EddieC

jackson35 said:

chocolate1 said:

  • Even if P & DC became drinking buddies, it would not change the fact that it was a tough interview. An apology- made or not- does not erase the difficulty of that particular incident. So I don't understand what you're trying to say... Do you really think, that in the thousands of appearances and interviews that DC did over the years, that he lay awake at night agonizing over the one with Prince ? Really? ohgoon
  • And why would DC say he did or did not get over it publicly? It seems like the only one who hasn't gotten over it is you. neutral (I still say P must have really hurt your feelings! lol)
  • "79 Appearance". Exactly. The article was written by Prince in 2012. It is amazing to me that you can't conceive of someone changing in 33 years... (Yeah, it was hard to watch... I was in junior high school at the time, and I thought he was weird.)
  • And yes, just like the rest of us who are fans, you are entitled to your opinion/speculation. However, the reason you are being ridden so hard is because you didn't come to this thread with a fan's perspective. You showed up with a one-line comment, shouted in capitals, about how Prince was insincere and disrespectful, backing it up with "facts" pulled from your "experience" from back in the day. You tried to come off like you were "definitely in the know"... When people cried "BS & Shenanigans", you started spouting inaccurate info about awards and covert revenge...

Question: You've mentioned what it was like working in that realm 30 years ago... When was the last time you were around Prince? Do you know what he's like now?

the last time i work with prince was the 21 night stint at the garden here in nyc. if me clark and prince did't have beef then explan why he was not invited back to do ab in 81, 82, and 83? why did mr did mr clark mail out a lust of songs to be voted on in ama in 85 and not add wdc as song of the year or record of the year? prince had the hottest album in the country and he treated him like a anoither r&b artist in the mix. i say dick clark was trying to teach prince who plays hardball better then anyone in this business and tha'ts dick clark.

Okay--one more time (since my earlier post was long and people may not have wanted to wade through all of it):

There was no RECORD of the year or SONG of the year (without specifying the genre) in the 1985 AMAs. So Prince wasn't included on any list of songs to vote for these awards because (let's see if we can get this) THERE WAS NO SUCH LIST BECAUSE THERE WERE NO SUCH AWARDS.

BUT

there were three FAVORITE SONG awards given, in POP/ROCK, SOUL/R&B, and COUNTRY categories

AND

"When Doves Cry" was nominated for BOTH the pop/rock and soul/r&b categories, and it won soul/r&b. Losing to Bruce Springsteen in the pop/rock makes perfect sense in 1985--Heck, considering how every year we have to hear people complaining that soul or disco or funk or hip/hop artists don't belong in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame, a lot of people might still have trouble wrapping their heads around Prince's pop/rock qualifications even now. But I fail to see how Prince's being nominated for both song awards proves that Clark was teaching him a lesson, or how his losing a popular vote (which it makes perfect sense that he might lose) indicates some manipulation by anyone.

SO

unless you have proof that Dick Clark (or anyone else) didn't include all three nominees for the awards, instead giving voters a choice between only Springsteen and Tina Turner when it came to the actual poll, then you really don't have anything to keep going on about.

Also, a man with Dick Clark's power who wanted to publicly spank Prince, hard, wouldn't do it by making sure he didn't win Pop/Rock Song while letting him win 3 other awards of equal or greater prestige: not only Soul/R&B Song but also both Album awards he was eligible for (Pop/Rock and Soul/R&B). And years later in 1995, he wouldn't provide prince a forum for his war with Warners.

Reply #126 posted 12/26/12 7:22pm

2elijah

VictoR3mix said:

jackson35 said:

the last time i work with prince was the 21 night stint at the garden here in nyc. if me clark and prince did't have beef then explan why he was not invited back to do ab in 81, 82, and 83? why did mr did mr clark mail out a lust of songs to be voted on in ama in 85 and not add wdc as song of the year or record of the year? prince had the hottest album in the country and he treated him like a anoither r&b artist in the mix. i say dick clark was trying to teach prince who plays hardball better then anyone in this business and tha'ts dick clark.

Prince never performed for 21 nights at Madison Square Garden. He only performed 4 shows there from late 2010 to early 2011. The 21 Nite Stand was in Inglewood, California...

[Edited 12/26/12 17:13pm]

lol I think "Mr. Jackson if you please" just want to find something wrong, but still keeps going back to work events Prince performs at, then pretends he has something to complain about P's disposition, just so he could let folks here at the org know that he worked an event Prince performed at. You all best not strip Mr. Jackson of his bragging rights....ya hear? Lol

[Edited 12/26/12 19:57pm]

Reply #127 posted 12/26/12 9:03pm

jackson35

so reducing his biggest song when doves cry to a fav black singles category is not payback? purple rain can be a fav pop/rock album and fav black album, but not fav pop male or fav blackr&b male? what i got from this show from Mr Clark to prince is i love the music but not too crazy bout you as a person. keep in mind he choose what the voters vote on. amas is his baby, he owns the show. prince was the hottest artist that night at the show, yet he did' sweep all of the category that he got a nod for. wdc sold over 4 million singles and billboard mag song of the year. purple album sold over 15million records world wide. the movie grosses over 85 million dollars. the tour pulls 30million dollars and he only pick up award where they like the music but not the male performer according to the voters.

Reply #128 posted 12/27/12 6:05am

KCOOLMUZIQ

rolleyes

[Edited 12/28/12 18:40pm]

"A brand-new studio album is on the way and both Warner Bros. Records & Eye are quite pleased with the results of the negotiations & look 4ward 2 a fruitful working relationship," prince said n a news release! All prince needs 2 do 2 take over the world again
Reply #129 posted 12/27/12 6:30am

2elijah

jackson35 said:

so reducing his biggest song when doves cry to a fav black singles category is not payback? purple rain can be a fav pop/rock album and fav black album, but not fav pop male or fav blackr&b male? what i got from this show from Mr Clark to prince is i love the music but not too crazy bout you as a person. keep in mind he choose what the voters vote on. amas is his baby, he owns the show. prince was the hottest artist that night at the show, yet he did' sweep all of the category that he got a nod for. wdc sold over 4 million singles and billboard mag song of the year. purple album sold over 15million records world wide. the movie grosses over 85 million dollars. the tour pulls 30million dollars and he only pick up award where they like the music but not the male performer according to the voters.

At the end of the day though, despite how or what you feel Mr. Clark may have done, Dick Clark did not succeed in robbing Prince from becoming one of the music's most successful and famous musician/artist/performer. What's done is done.

[Edited 12/27/12 7:19am]

Reply #130 posted 12/27/12 11:28am

Doozer

jackson35 said:

so reducing his biggest song when doves cry to a fav black singles category is not payback? purple rain can be a fav pop/rock album and fav black album, but not fav pop male or fav blackr&b male? what i got from this show from Mr Clark to prince is i love the music but not too crazy bout you as a person. keep in mind he choose what the voters vote on. amas is his baby, he owns the show. prince was the hottest artist that night at the show, yet he did' sweep all of the category that he got a nod for. wdc sold over 4 million singles and billboard mag song of the year. purple album sold over 15million records world wide. the movie grosses over 85 million dollars. the tour pulls 30million dollars and he only pick up award where they like the music but not the male performer according to the voters.

I'm just going to say this again:

Prince wrote a short paragraph in a weekly magazine. He didn't author a book or headline a tribute concert. He wrote "Not sure why but Mr. Clark seemed 2 genuinely like me." He didn't claim that he was a lifelong friend or a major part if his life or his success. All the reasons you've posted questioning the relationship seem to be answered in the short written tribute itself.

Reply #131 posted 12/27/12 12:10pm

wonder505

jackson35 said:

so reducing his biggest song when doves cry to a fav black singles category is not payback? purple rain can be a fav pop/rock album and fav black album, but not fav pop male or fav blackr&b male? what i got from this show from Mr Clark to prince is i love the music but not too crazy bout you as a person. keep in mind he choose what the voters vote on. amas is his baby, he owns the show. prince was the hottest artist that night at the show, yet he did' sweep all of the category that he got a nod for. wdc sold over 4 million singles and billboard mag song of the year. purple album sold over 15million records world wide. the movie grosses over 85 million dollars. the tour pulls 30million dollars and he only pick up award where they like the music but not the male performer according to the voters.

Even if what you said was true it does not prove what Prince feels "now" or what Dick Clark felt about Prince since this incident or before he died. I noticed when it comes to providing facts about Prince and Dick Clark after the incident you skip over those questions and have nothing to say about it. You keep going back to what happened in 1984 or 1985. You have nothing to show for what happened since then. As far as you working a "21 Nights Show" in NYC we know that story is fraudulent because there were no such shows. I personally think if what you said is true you have not been around the Prince camp in over 25 years.

[Edited 12/27/12 12:14pm]

Reply #132 posted 12/27/12 3:41pm

jackson35

why do u think prince made the statement about not understanding why mr clark like him? because he never treated the man with respect. u don't make statements like that unless u don't treat an individual with a certain level of respect. why do u think prince was never invited back at ab? never invited prince to perform at their anniversary shows? why do u think he took prince's biggest song and reduced it to a fav black single moment even though it was billboard song of 1984. did the same thing with kiss when it was release. fave r&b song even though it went number 1 pop for two weeks.

Reply #133 posted 12/27/12 4:08pm

2elijah

jackson35 said:

why do u think prince made the statement about not understanding why mr clark like him? because he never treated the man with respect. u don't make statements like that unless u don't treat an individual with a certain level of respect. why do u think prince was never invited back at ab? never invited prince to perform at their anniversary shows? why do u think he took prince's biggest song and reduced it to a fav black single moment even though it was billboard song of 1984. did the same thing with kiss when it was release. fave r&b song even though it went number 1 pop for two weeks.

Did what DC do stop 'Kiss' and 'WDC' from being two of Prince's most favorite classics among fans? The life of those two tracks and the fact they ended up being classics, is worth more than a trophy at an award show. Do you know how many songs from artists ended up being popular songs among music fans that never made number 1 on any chart, yet many of those songs remain classics today? I think you're making too much a big deal out of Prince's statement about DC. I think if what DC did to him in the past had stopped Prince's entire career, then I could see you hollering like a church lady who left her hat at home, but it didn't.

[Edited 12/28/12 7:14am]

Reply #134 posted 12/27/12 6:30pm

wonder505

jackson35 said:

why do u think prince made the statement about not understanding why mr clark like him? because he never treated the man with respect. u don't make statements like that unless u don't treat an individual with a certain level of respect. why do u think prince was never invited back at ab? never invited prince to perform at their anniversary shows? why do u think he took prince's biggest song and reduced it to a fav black single moment even though it was billboard song of 1984. did the same thing with kiss when it was release. fave r&b song even though it went number 1 pop for two weeks.

I dont have enough information to answer that question. I don't have any facts around Prince and Dick Clark's relationship/communication over the years. I'm not in a place to state what a man feels or thinks. Prince wrote that DC would always call "personally" and was always kind "no matter what circumstance". It could be that DC continued to be kind to him after that crazy interview on AB, or DC's support of him during the Warner Bros. I dont know. Prince did not elaborate and I dont have any information or facts to prove that PRince continued to be disrespectful to DC up until his death. You're making huge assumptions and guessing based on award nominations and winnings which are not proven, and based on a job you claim to have, (which, however, based on your comment about the 21 nights gig in NY I'm not even sure that is true.).

You have a right to believe what you believe. I thought it was a nice gesture and unless I know otherwise I dont have an opinion on anyone's sincerity unless I have more information.

Reply #135 posted 12/27/12 8:54pm

jackson35

wonder505 said:

jackson35 said:

why do u think prince made the statement about not understanding why mr clark like him? because he never treated the man with respect. u don't make statements like that unless u don't treat an individual with a certain level of respect. why do u think prince was never invited back at ab? never invited prince to perform at their anniversary shows? why do u think he took prince's biggest song and reduced it to a fav black single moment even though it was billboard song of 1984. did the same thing with kiss when it was release. fave r&b song even though it went number 1 pop for two weeks.

I dont have enough information to answer that question. I don't have any facts around Prince and Dick Clark's relationship/communication over the years. I'm not in a place to state what a man feels or thinks. Prince wrote that DC would always call "personally" and was always kind "no matter what circumstance". It could be that DC continued to be kind to him after that crazy interview on AB, or DC's support of him during the Warner Bros. I dont know. Prince did not elaborate and I dont have any information or facts to prove that PRince continued to be disrespectful to DC up until his death. You're making huge assumptions and guessing based on award nominations and winnings which are not proven, and based on a job you claim to have, (which, however, based on your comment about the 21 nights gig in NY I'm not even sure that is true.).

You have a right to believe what you believe. I thought it was a nice gesture and unless I know otherwise I dont have an opinion on anyone's sincerity unless I have more information.

fair enough. we will leave it at that.

Reply #136 posted 12/27/12 10:16pm

EddieC

jackson35 said:

why do u think prince made the statement about not understanding why mr clark like him? because he never treated the man with respect. u don't make statements like that unless u don't treat an individual with a certain level of respect. why do u think prince was never invited back at ab? never invited prince to perform at their anniversary shows? why do u think he took prince's biggest song and reduced it to a fav black single moment even though it was billboard song of 1984. did the same thing with kiss when it was release. fave r&b song even though it went number 1 pop for two weeks.

My last post on this subject:

Prince never appeared again on American Bandstand. I don't know why. Neither do you. I also don't know how many times anyone else appeared on it, though I honestly don't remember most other big stars from the same period showing up repeatedly on American Bandstand. Frankly, the significance of that particular type of exposure dropped off a lot once MTV was around.

Prince only showed up once on most shows I can think of from back then: Solid Gold, Soul Train, Midnight Special. He needed them a little, but not much. After the Prince album, there wasn't any reason to be on again until the 1999 campaign, and by then he was on MTV. Again, one day of exposure on MTV got more than a cycle of those shows did, once MTV was around. That's what made videos so useful--they were easier and more effective than doing TV appearances. Doing American Bandstand later would have been more something Prince did for Dick Clark, not a favor Clark would have done for Prince.

Actually, though, while Prince didn't go on American Bandstand, his proteges did--The Time and Sheila E. both went on while Prince and Dick Clark were, I guess, in the throes of their hatefest.

As to the idea that Clark "reduced" Prince's success with "When Doves Cry"--whatever you, I, or anyone else here thinks about it, when it came time for the Grammy Awards, Prince didn't do any better there. Not in 1985, when "When Doves Cry" got NOTHING and the Purple Rain album got Original Score and Rock Group Performance (if Prince had been considered for Rock Male he probably would have just lost to Springsteen, who won for "Dancing in the Dark"). And even though Prince got R&B song for "I Feel For You", it was Chaka Khan's recording that was responsible for that win.

And "Kiss" was "reduced" (if that's what it was) in the Grammy Awards, too. It got the R&B Group Performance award. The R&B Song award went Anita Baker's "Sweet Love."

And do you seriously think that "Kiss" being number 1 on the pop chart for two weeks (oh my God--two whole weeks!!!) is somehow important? Like, it was number one for two weeks and didn't get song of the year???? There must be some sort of trick!!

In 1986, the following 15 (!) songs were listed as number one on the Billboard Hot 100 for 2 or more weeks. The number in parentheses gives the number of weeks at number one:

"That's What Friends Are For"--Dionne and Friends (4)

"Walk Like an Egyptian"--The Bangles (4, two weeks in 1986 and two in 1987)

"Rock Me Amadeus"--Falco (3)

"The Greatest Love of All"--Whitney Houston (3)

"On My Own"--Patti Labelle and Michael McDonald (3)

"Stuck with You"--Huey Lewis and the News (3)

"Say You, Say Me"--Lionel Richie (2)

"How Will I Know"--Whitney Houston (2)

"Kyrie"--Mr. Mister (2)

"Glory of Love"--Peter Cetera (2)

"Papa Don't Preach"--Madonna (2)

"When I Think of You"--Janet Jackson (2)

"True Colors"--Cyndi Lauper (2)

"Amanda"--Boston (2)

"Kiss"--Prince and the Revolution (2)

The AMA for Pop/Rock song went to Billy Ocean's "There'll Be Sad Songs," which was only number one for one week, as were the other nominees (Madonna's "Live to Tell," The Pet Shop Boys' "West End Girls," and Steve Winwood's "Higher Love"). That seems a bit odd, since the nominees were based on airplay and sales, the same as the chart. But perhaps looking at longevity at high levels rather than just the number of weeks at number one might explain it.

HOWEVER--

if being number one for two weeks is grounds to suspect that Prince got cheated, he was hardly alone. And to much of the world outside of Prince.org a lot of these songs are better than "Kiss"--so even if it had been nominated (as it was for R&B Song, which it lost to Janet Jackson's "Nasty"), "Kiss" almost certainly would have lost.

So, rather than continuing to debate whether or not Dick Clark was so petty that he kept punishing Prince for a silly little attempt to be "a rebel" or "mysterious" or "just so weird I can't play nice with others," or, for that matter, whether Prince, looking back over his encounters with Dick Clark, is able to speak honestly a few kind words about the man--not remarkably gushing ones, just kind ones--I'm just going to say this:

Prince was embarrassing on American Bandstand. Dick Clark said it was the toughest interview. Prince and members of his camp appeared on later Dick Clark productions. His record at the American Music Awards was comparable to his record on the Grammies.

Move along folks. Nothing to see here.

Reply #137 posted 12/28/12 6:37am

chocolate1

EddieC said:

(edited for brevity) . . . if being number one for two weeks is grounds to suspect that Prince got cheated, he was hardly alone. And to much of the world outside of Prince.org a lot of these songs are better than "Kiss"--so even if it had been nominated (as it was for R&B Song, which it lost to Janet Jackson's "Nasty"), "Kiss" almost certainly would have lost.

So, rather than continuing to debate whether or not Dick Clark was so petty that he kept punishing Prince for a silly little attempt to be "a rebel" or "mysterious" or "just so weird I can't play nice with others," or, for that matter, whether Prince, looking back over his encounters with Dick Clark, is able to speak honestly a few kind words about the man--not remarkably gushing ones, just kind ones--I'm just going to say this:

Prince was embarrassing on American Bandstand. Dick Clark said it was the toughest interview. Prince and members of his camp appeared on later Dick Clark productions. His record at the American Music Awards was comparable to his record on the Grammies.

Move along folks. Nothing to see here.

clapping

Thank you for the comprehensive views in this post and your last one...

All most of us wanted were some facts to back up what jackson35 has been saying...

He couldn't provide that- just some cutting and pasting of the same tired speculation.

I still say Prince must have really hurt his feelings in some way! eek

** My apologies to Doozer for contributing to the "jacking" of the thread... Sometimes things need to be said and clarified. wink


"...Rock and Roll is dead. The Boys and Girls from the Mickey Mouse Club clocked it in the head..." -Alice Smith, "Fake is the New Real" giggle
Reply #138 posted 12/28/12 6:10pm

KCOOLMUZIQ

EddieC said:

jackson35 said:

why do u think prince made the statement about not understanding why mr clark like him? because he never treated the man with respect. u don't make statements like that unless u don't treat an individual with a certain level of respect. why do u think prince was never invited back at ab? never invited prince to perform at their anniversary shows? why do u think he took prince's biggest song and reduced it to a fav black single moment even though it was billboard song of 1984. did the same thing with kiss when it was release. fave r&b song even though it went number 1 pop for two weeks.

My last post on this subject:

Prince never appeared again on American Bandstand. I don't know why. Neither do you. I also don't know how many times anyone else appeared on it, though I honestly don't remember most other big stars from the same period showing up repeatedly on American Bandstand. Frankly, the significance of that particular type of exposure dropped off a lot once MTV was around.

Prince only showed up once on most shows I can think of from back then: Solid Gold, Soul Train, Midnight Special. He needed them a little, but not much. After the Prince album, there wasn't any reason to be on again until the 1999 campaign, and by then he was on MTV. Again, one day of exposure on MTV got more than a cycle of those shows did, once MTV was around. That's what made videos so useful--they were easier and more effective than doing TV appearances. Doing American Bandstand later would have been more something Prince did for Dick Clark, not a favor Clark would have done for Prince.

Actually, though, while Prince didn't go on American Bandstand, his proteges did--The Time and Sheila E. both went on while Prince and Dick Clark were, I guess, in the throes of their hatefest.

As to the idea that Clark "reduced" Prince's success with "When Doves Cry"--whatever you, I, or anyone else here thinks about it, when it came time for the Grammy Awards, Prince didn't do any better there. Not in 1985, when "When Doves Cry" got NOTHING and the Purple Rain album got Original Score and Rock Group Performance (if Prince had been considered for Rock Male he probably would have just lost to Springsteen, who won for "Dancing in the Dark"). And even though Prince got R&B song for "I Feel For You", it was Chaka Khan's recording that was responsible for that win.

And "Kiss" was "reduced" (if that's what it was) in the Grammy Awards, too. It got the R&B Group Performance award. The R&B Song award went Anita Baker's "Sweet Love."

And do you seriously think that "Kiss" being number 1 on the pop chart for two weeks (oh my God--two whole weeks!!!) is somehow important? Like, it was number one for two weeks and didn't get song of the year???? There must be some sort of trick!!

In 1986, the following 15 (!) songs were listed as number one on the Billboard Hot 100 for 2 or more weeks. The number in parentheses gives the number of weeks at number one:

"That's What Friends Are For"--Dionne and Friends (4)

"Walk Like an Egyptian"--The Bangles (4, two weeks in 1986 and two in 1987)

"Rock Me Amadeus"--Falco (3)

"The Greatest Love of All"--Whitney Houston (3)

"On My Own"--Patti Labelle and Michael McDonald (3)

"Stuck with You"--Huey Lewis and the News (3)

"Say You, Say Me"--Lionel Richie (2)

"How Will I Know"--Whitney Houston (2)

"Kyrie"--Mr. Mister (2)

"Glory of Love"--Peter Cetera (2)

"Papa Don't Preach"--Madonna (2)

"When I Think of You"--Janet Jackson (2)

"True Colors"--Cyndi Lauper (2)

"Amanda"--Boston (2)

"Kiss"--Prince and the Revolution (2)

The AMA for Pop/Rock song went to Billy Ocean's "There'll Be Sad Songs," which was only number one for one week, as were the other nominees (Madonna's "Live to Tell," The Pet Shop Boys' "West End Girls," and Steve Winwood's "Higher Love"). That seems a bit odd, since the nominees were based on airplay and sales, the same as the chart. But perhaps looking at longevity at high levels rather than just the number of weeks at number one might explain it.

HOWEVER--

if being number one for two weeks is grounds to suspect that Prince got cheated, he was hardly alone. And to much of the world outside of Prince.org a lot of these songs are better than "Kiss"--so even if it had been nominated (as it was for R&B Song, which it lost to Janet Jackson's "Nasty"), "Kiss" almost certainly would have lost.

So, rather than continuing to debate whether or not Dick Clark was so petty that he kept punishing Prince for a silly little attempt to be "a rebel" or "mysterious" or "just so weird I can't play nice with others," or, for that matter, whether Prince, looking back over his encounters with Dick Clark, is able to speak honestly a few kind words about the man--not remarkably gushing ones, just kind ones--I'm just going to say this:

Prince was embarrassing on American Bandstand. Dick Clark said it was the toughest interview. Prince and members of his camp appeared on later Dick Clark productions. His record at the American Music Awards was comparable to his record on the Grammies.

Move along folks. Nothing to see here.

Sorry Ur misinformed Princey was on "Solid Gold" twice...The first time was on Jan 29, 1983 when he per4rmed 1999. The second time was when he per4rmed his mega crossover hit "Little Red Corvette" on April 14, 1983

[Edited 12/28/12 18:37pm]

"A brand-new studio album is on the way and both Warner Bros. Records & Eye are quite pleased with the results of the negotiations & look 4ward 2 a fruitful working relationship," prince said n a news release! All prince needs 2 do 2 take over the world again
Reply #139 posted 12/28/12 6:22pm

HonestMan13

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

EddieC said:

My last post on this subject:

Prince never appeared again on American Bandstand. I don't know why. Neither do you. I also don't know how many times anyone else appeared on it, though I honestly don't remember most other big stars from the same period showing up repeatedly on American Bandstand. Frankly, the significance of that particular type of exposure dropped off a lot once MTV was around.

Prince only showed up once on most shows I can think of from back then: Solid Gold, Soul Train, Midnight Special. He needed them a little, but not much. After the Prince album, there wasn't any reason to be on again until the 1999 campaign, and by then he was on MTV. Again, one day of exposure on MTV got more than a cycle of those shows did, once MTV was around. That's what made videos so useful--they were easier and more effective than doing TV appearances. Doing American Bandstand later would have been more something Prince did for Dick Clark, not a favor Clark would have done for Prince.

Actually, though, while Prince didn't go on American Bandstand, his proteges did--The Time and Sheila E. both went on while Prince and Dick Clark were, I guess, in the throes of their hatefest.

As to the idea that Clark "reduced" Prince's success with "When Doves Cry"--whatever you, I, or anyone else here thinks about it, when it came time for the Grammy Awards, Prince didn't do any better there. Not in 1985, when "When Doves Cry" got NOTHING and the Purple Rain album got Original Score and Rock Group Performance (if Prince had been considered for Rock Male he probably would have just lost to Springsteen, who won for "Dancing in the Dark"). And even though Prince got R&B song for "I Feel For You", it was Chaka Khan's recording that was responsible for that win.

And "Kiss" was "reduced" (if that's what it was) in the Grammy Awards, too. It got the R&B Group Performance award. The R&B Song award went Anita Baker's "Sweet Love."

And do you seriously think that "Kiss" being number 1 on the pop chart for two weeks (oh my God--two whole weeks!!!) is somehow important? Like, it was number one for two weeks and didn't get song of the year???? There must be some sort of trick!!

In 1986, the following 15 (!) songs were listed as number one on the Billboard Hot 100 for 2 or more weeks. The number in parentheses gives the number of weeks at number one:

"That's What Friends Are For"--Dionne and Friends (4)

"Walk Like an Egyptian"--The Bangles (4, two weeks in 1986 and two in 1987)

"Rock Me Amadeus"--Falco (3)

"The Greatest Love of All"--Whitney Houston (3)

"On My Own"--Patti Labelle and Michael McDonald (3)

"Stuck with You"--Huey Lewis and the News (3)

"Say You, Say Me"--Lionel Richie (2)

"How Will I Know"--Whitney Houston (2)

"Kyrie"--Mr. Mister (2)

"Glory of Love"--Peter Cetera (2)

"Papa Don't Preach"--Madonna (2)

"When I Think of You"--Janet Jackson (2)

"True Colors"--Cyndi Lauper (2)

"Amanda"--Boston (2)

"Kiss"--Prince and the Revolution (2)

The AMA for Pop/Rock song went to Billy Ocean's "There'll Be Sad Songs," which was only number one for one week, as were the other nominees (Madonna's "Live to Tell," The Pet Shop Boys' "West End Girls," and Steve Winwood's "Higher Love"). That seems a bit odd, since the nominees were based on airplay and sales, the same as the chart. But perhaps looking at longevity at high levels rather than just the number of weeks at number one might explain it.

HOWEVER--

if being number one for two weeks is grounds to suspect that Prince got cheated, he was hardly alone. And to much of the world outside of Prince.org a lot of these songs are better than "Kiss"--so even if it had been nominated (as it was for R&B Song, which it lost to Janet Jackson's "Nasty"), "Kiss" almost certainly would have lost.

So, rather than continuing to debate whether or not Dick Clark was so petty that he kept punishing Prince for a silly little attempt to be "a rebel" or "mysterious" or "just so weird I can't play nice with others," or, for that matter, whether Prince, looking back over his encounters with Dick Clark, is able to speak honestly a few kind words about the man--not remarkably gushing ones, just kind ones--I'm just going to say this:

Prince was embarrassing on American Bandstand. Dick Clark said it was the toughest interview. Prince and members of his camp appeared on later Dick Clark productions. His record at the American Music Awards was comparable to his record on the Grammies.

Move along folks. Nothing to see here.

Sorry Ur misinformed Princey was on "Solid Gold" twice...The first time was on Jan 29, 1983 when he per4rmed 1999. The second time was when he per4rmed his mega crossover hit "Little Red Corvette" on April 14, 1083

Prince wasn't even a fetus then. lol Back then it would've been 'Little Red Horse & Buggy' or something! lol

Prince fans. They'll say something is shit outright, still support it and then somehow blame someone else they had to deal with it.
Reply #140 posted 12/28/12 6:41pm

KCOOLMUZIQ

giggle

"A brand-new studio album is on the way and both Warner Bros. Records & Eye are quite pleased with the results of the negotiations & look 4ward 2 a fruitful working relationship," prince said n a news release! All prince needs 2 do 2 take over the world again

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