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Thread started 01/31/12 2:47pm

unique

david gilmour from pink floyd talks prince, michael jackson, sinead o connor, kate bush, paul macartney etc

I saw Michael Jackson in an indoor arena in America, and it wasn't great. When I see something like that, I think, My God, put 'me' in charge for a week and I'll turn this into something 'good'! There's no doubt in my mind that I could have turned something like the Michael Jackson show from a pretty average to pretty damned good, given a few days and bucks. There are corners that can be cut and corners that can't - just a million little details that one could look at. But I went to see Prince at Wembley and he was bloody good. He definitely does things from the right attitude; I think he goes out of his way to get the best people to do the best job, and he thinks about every detail. He gets people around him who share his belief that it will come right if you get it right, which is our attitude. I think Sinead's show is great - again, by my rule book, she's doing things right. We have sessions where people throw their hands up in horror at the things we decide to do, but in the end if you get your show right, then the money will take care of itself.

http://www.pinkfloydfan.net/t1475-david-gilmour-rightful-heir-q.html

full interview at that link, taken from Q magazine september 1990 (22 years ago eek )

When you play on, say, a Paul Mccartney record, how does it actually work? What kind of fee does one millionaire pay another for laying down a guitar track? Or is there a different system?

I just say to anyone that I'm working for, “Send a cheque for whatever you like to the charity of your choice,” though sometimes I specify Amnesty International or Greenpeace. It becomes something to do with their conscience, not mine - I'm not going to check up.


And Grace Jones, on whose Slave to the Rhythm you played?

I never met Grace Jones. I was approached by Trevor Horn, and went down to their studio SARM East and set up my equipment, and Steve Lipson and Trevor Horn was there. Trevor had a terrible food poisoning and was throwing up every three minutes, lying on the floor trying to produce a record and chucking up into a bin! I think mostly they sampled anything I did into a Synclavier and tried to make some sort of sense out of it later, because he was too ill then, poor chap.

Reply #1 posted 01/31/12 5:48pm

smoothcriminal12

neutral

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Reply #2 posted 01/31/12 6:18pm

WetDream

I agree. MJ's post 80s shows were lacking, big time. Prince said recently that MJ hardly ever surrounded himself with a great band, and thus suffered. Gilmour is just saying the same thing from a different angle. Gilmour would probably be a person from "that band" and could of added the goods. It ain't a diss on anyone's part, just genuine criticisms about someone who became a bit lost in the machine.

[Edited 1/31/12 18:18pm]

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Reply #3 posted 01/31/12 6:25pm

Emancipation89

WetDream said:

I agree. MJ's post 80s shows were lacking, big time. Prince said recently that MJ hardly ever surrounded himself with a great band, and thus suffered. Gilmour is just saying the same thing from a different angle. Gilmour would probably be a person from "that band" and could of added the goods. It ain't a diss on anyone's part, just genuine criticisms about someone who became a bit lost in the machine.

[Edited 1/31/12 18:18pm]

Really? Did he say that in an official interview?

Reply #4 posted 01/31/12 6:27pm

smoothcriminal12

Emancipation89 said:

WetDream said:

I agree. MJ's post 80s shows were lacking, big time. Prince said recently that MJ hardly ever surrounded himself with a great band, and thus suffered. Gilmour is just saying the same thing from a different angle. Gilmour would probably be a person from "that band" and could of added the goods. It ain't a diss on anyone's part, just genuine criticisms about someone who became a bit lost in the machine.

[Edited 1/31/12 18:18pm]

Really? Did he say that in an official interview?

I think he did.

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Reply #5 posted 01/31/12 6:29pm

Graycap23

I guess this professional must be a Mj hater?

Reply #6 posted 01/31/12 6:34pm

WetDream

Emancipation89 said:

WetDream said:

I agree. MJ's post 80s shows were lacking, big time. Prince said recently that MJ hardly ever surrounded himself with a great band, and thus suffered. Gilmour is just saying the same thing from a different angle. Gilmour would probably be a person from "that band" and could of added the goods. It ain't a diss on anyone's part, just genuine criticisms about someone who became a bit lost in the machine.

[Edited 1/31/12 18:18pm]

Really? Did he say that in an official interview?

Yeah. Very recent. Didn't say he "suffered", but it's what he meant. Anyway, it's no more important that Gilmour saying this so doesn't really need spotlighting.
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Reply #7 posted 01/31/12 6:49pm

smoothcriminal12

Graycap23 said:

I guess this professional must be a Mj hater?

Eh? Does it matter? He is kind of right. I always look up to cats who have a tight live band. If Michael had a tight live band, he could've slayed everyone live.

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Reply #8 posted 01/31/12 9:08pm

dandeeland

I disagree with David Gilmour. I have seen Michael 3 times and ALL three times it has been the BEST show I have ever seen topping the last. Michael rules live and even though Prince is my favorite artist Michael is the King when it comes to a live show. Just my opinion though. Gilmour is famous so his word is probably bond

Reply #9 posted 01/31/12 9:48pm

dalsh327

Gilmour was being a constructive critic, they shared the same record label at the time, and if anything, Pink Floyd had been playing stadiums and staging spectacles for way longer than Michael at that time. The Bad tour was really the first time he was running the show.

To me, it's a shame Michael didn't get to tour Thriller, and pretty much saw the Victory tour as the last Jacksons tour, instead of doing the solo thing for a while - then at some point, working with his brothers again.

I never knew the Victory tour caused the sale of the New England Patriots though, and once Kraft acquired them, the turnaround happened. I guess without Michael, they wouldn't be in the Super Bowl this weekend. Was funny reading about Kraft owning the Victory poster.

http://www.boston.com/spo...l_jac.html

Guy Pratt plays on Michael's "Earth Song". Not a lot of people could say they played with Pink Floyd, Madonna, and Michael.

Reply #10 posted 01/31/12 11:10pm

jonylawson

Graycap23 said:

I guess this professional must be a Mj hater?

AURGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

why why why why why why????

*COMPOSES HIMSELF*

oh wahts the point..yes your right .dave gilmour from that tiny group pink flod is a "pro hater"

Reply #11 posted 01/31/12 11:18pm

unique

Graycap23 said:

I guess this professional must be a Mj hater?

no, he's one of the worlds greatest guitar players of all time who played in one of the greatest and biggest selling bands of all time with some of the greatest and biggest selling bands of all time who performed some of the greatest and biggest concerts and tours of all time

if you have ever seen some of pink floyds live shows you would see that the make MJ's shows look like a school play

floyd always played proper live without miming, and until the later period floyd it was just the 4 of them onstage apart from when they introduced dick parry on sax or the backing singers for the dark side of the moon. they had the most incredible light shows, they were one of if not the first to have movies created to play at the live shows, going on to add giant puppets and props and culminating in literally building a stage between the band and audience during the wall tour

roger waters solo wall tour was one of the most amazing sights ever seen in concert, just absolutely amazing, and don't forget the wall live at berlin in 1990

these guys reall knew how to put on a great show, but they didn't let the theatrics overshadow the live music performances

i think he's bang on the money. MJ just didn't have the live band, neither did madonna, and miming through his shows was the biggest let down to his fans. he just looks like he's going through the motions during the 90s shows. his body is there and his mind is somewhere else

Reply #12 posted 01/31/12 11:44pm

jonylawson

dandeeland said:

I disagree with David Gilmour. I have seen Michael 3 times and ALL three times it has been the BEST show I have ever seen topping the last. Michael rules live and even though Prince is my favorite artist Michael is the King when it comes to a live show. Just my opinion though. Gilmour is famous so his word is probably bond

oh come on....michael lip synced...had session musicians etc had zero interaction with fans...didnt play shit live......

COME ON!!

(come on shake it down)

Reply #13 posted 02/01/12 1:31am

Phillipg

jonylawson said:

dandeeland said:

I disagree with David Gilmour. I have seen Michael 3 times and ALL three times it has been the BEST show I have ever seen topping the last. Michael rules live and even though Prince is my favorite artist Michael is the King when it comes to a live show. Just my opinion though. Gilmour is famous so his word is probably bond

oh come on....michael lip synced...had session musicians etc had zero interaction with fans...didnt play shit live......

COME ON!!

(come on shake it down)

I agree, I downloaded some MJ shows a couple years back (I loved everything from Thirller and back) and I was soooooo disappointed. I could not believe he wasnt singing and how lousy the shows were (sound, band and energy).

Reply #14 posted 02/01/12 3:42am

NouveauDance

dandeeland said:

I disagree with David Gilmour. I have seen Michael 3 times and ALL three times it has been the BEST show I have ever seen topping the last. Michael rules live and even though Prince is my favorite artist Michael is the King when it comes to a live show. Just my opinion though. Gilmour is famous so his word is probably bond

He's coming from the POV of a band playing a live show, not a spectacular pyrotechnic extravaganza. Just sayin'.

Reply #15 posted 02/01/12 4:43am

unique

dandeeland said:

I disagree with David Gilmour. I have seen Michael 3 times and ALL three times it has been the BEST show I have ever seen topping the last. Michael rules live and even though Prince is my favorite artist Michael is the King when it comes to a live show. Just my opinion though. Gilmour is famous so his word is probably bond

how can "michael rules live" when he spent most of his solo concert stage time miming whilst on drugs? when was the last time you say him play live? how old were you at the time, and how close to the stage were you? how many times have you seen prince live, and when was the last time?

have you actually seen pink floyd live in the flesh?

Reply #16 posted 02/01/12 4:47am

errant

unique said:

Graycap23 said:

I guess this professional must be a Mj hater?

no, he's one of the worlds greatest guitar players of all time who played in one of the greatest and biggest selling bands of all time with some of the greatest and biggest selling bands of all time who performed some of the greatest and biggest concerts and tours of all time

if you have ever seen some of pink floyds live shows you would see that the make MJ's shows look like a school play

floyd always played proper live without miming, and until the later period floyd it was just the 4 of them onstage apart from when they introduced dick parry on sax or the backing singers for the dark side of the moon. they had the most incredible light shows, they were one of if not the first to have movies created to play at the live shows, going on to add giant puppets and props and culminating in literally building a stage between the band and audience during the wall tour

roger waters solo wall tour was one of the most amazing sights ever seen in concert, just absolutely amazing, and don't forget the wall live at berlin in 1990

these guys reall knew how to put on a great show, but they didn't let the theatrics overshadow the live music performances

i think he's bang on the money. MJ just didn't have the live band, neither did madonna, and miming through his shows was the biggest let down to his fans. he just looks like he's going through the motions during the 90s shows. his body is there and his mind is somewhere else

um, I think Graycap was being sarcastic toward the MJ fanatics.

"does my cock look fat in these jeans?"
Reply #17 posted 02/01/12 5:41am

unique

errant said:

unique said:

no, he's one of the worlds greatest guitar players of all time who played in one of the greatest and biggest selling bands of all time with some of the greatest and biggest selling bands of all time who performed some of the greatest and biggest concerts and tours of all time

if you have ever seen some of pink floyds live shows you would see that the make MJ's shows look like a school play

floyd always played proper live without miming, and until the later period floyd it was just the 4 of them onstage apart from when they introduced dick parry on sax or the backing singers for the dark side of the moon. they had the most incredible light shows, they were one of if not the first to have movies created to play at the live shows, going on to add giant puppets and props and culminating in literally building a stage between the band and audience during the wall tour

roger waters solo wall tour was one of the most amazing sights ever seen in concert, just absolutely amazing, and don't forget the wall live at berlin in 1990

these guys reall knew how to put on a great show, but they didn't let the theatrics overshadow the live music performances

i think he's bang on the money. MJ just didn't have the live band, neither did madonna, and miming through his shows was the biggest let down to his fans. he just looks like he's going through the motions during the 90s shows. his body is there and his mind is somewhere else

um, I think Graycap was being sarcastic toward the MJ fanatics.

i fucking hate sarcastic cunts

Reply #18 posted 02/01/12 5:49am

Graycap23

smoothcriminal12 said:

Graycap23 said:

I guess this professional must be a Mj hater?

Eh? Does it matter? He is kind of right. I always look up to cats who have a tight live band. If Michael had a tight live band, he could've slayed everyone live.

Kind of right? He is 100% right........but Mj fans will lose their lunch over the TRUTH.

Reply #19 posted 02/01/12 6:05am

NouveauDance

unique said:

i fucking hate sarcastic cunts

falloff Say what you feel!

Reply #20 posted 02/01/12 6:22am

Graycap23

unique said:

errant said:

um, I think Graycap was being sarcastic toward the MJ fanatics.

i fucking hate sarcastic cunts

razz

Reply #21 posted 02/01/12 6:37am

angel345

Graycap23 said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Eh? Does it matter? He is kind of right. I always look up to cats who have a tight live band. If Michael had a tight live band, he could've slayed everyone live.

Kind of right? He is 100% right........but Mj fans will lose their lunch over the TRUTH.

I would't lose my lunch over this, but this question is for you and anyone. I know some musicians like Prince and Gilmour has a good ear for music. If MJ sucks so much live, why did his fans keep coming back? If it's that bad, how was he able to sell one million tickets before he passed? Some people says he sucks live, and some says he don't. Maybe it's a matter of opinion. What do you think?

Reply #22 posted 02/01/12 6:37am

Poplife88

dandeeland said:

I disagree with David Gilmour. I have seen Michael 3 times and ALL three times it has been the BEST show I have ever seen topping the last. Michael rules live and even though Prince is my favorite artist Michael is the King when it comes to a live show. Just my opinion though. Gilmour is famous so his word is probably bond

I love MJ, but he didn't hold a candle to Prince or Pink Floyd live.

We're gonna need a bigger boat
Reply #23 posted 02/01/12 6:46am

Graycap23

angel345 said:

Graycap23 said:

Kind of right? He is 100% right........but Mj fans will lose their lunch over the TRUTH.

I would't lose my lunch over this, but this question is for you and anyone. I know some musicians like Prince and Gilmour has a good ear for music. If MJ sucks so much live, why did his fans keep coming back? If it's that bad, how was he able to sell one million tickets before he passed? Some people says he sucks live, and some says he don't. Maybe it's a matter of opinion. What do you think?

Mj puts puts on a nice predictable highly entertaining show from a "I just want 2 have a good time" perspective. If u look at it from a professional, musician related critical angle? He does not. 4 me, it is really as simple as that. I could get into more specific detail but hopefully u get my point.

Reply #24 posted 02/01/12 7:25am

xLiberiangirl

David Gilmour is right.

I love MJ, but I think he is not that great live, he is a great dancer tho, and he had a great show.. but he doesn't have a really good live band and after BAD tour he actually repeated himself over and over again... boring tbh..

Reply #25 posted 02/01/12 8:42am

smoothcriminal12

Graycap23 said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Eh? Does it matter? He is kind of right. I always look up to cats who have a tight live band. If Michael had a tight live band, he could've slayed everyone live.

Kind of right? He is 100% right........

I agree.

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Reply #26 posted 02/01/12 8:50am

thedance

I never liked what MJ did live,

last year I came about a Bad tour live recording...... it was just terrible to listen to.

And all that about his lip synching........ not good.

About David Gilmour.. I have huge respect for both him and the PF band, he's brillinat as a guitar player. He knows what he's talking about.

And: of course he is entitled to have an opinion on Prince and MJ - just like everyone else have their opinions...

Respect to David Gilmour I love that man, what he did in Pink Floyd.. brilliant.

Let 2014 be purple:

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Reply #27 posted 02/01/12 9:00am

eyewishuheaven

unique said:

have you actually seen pink floyd live in the flesh?

I see whatcha did there. wink

Reply #28 posted 02/01/12 9:15am

glamstar01

i love Micheal JAckson but the live shows wasn't that good... & to all MJ supporter, don't tell us every time how much tickets or records he sold it's annoying... David Gilmour nows more about (live) music that any other here on this board - & Prince is one of the best live performer if not the best !

Reply #29 posted 02/01/12 9:32am

angel345

glamstar01 said:

i love Micheal JAckson but the live shows wasn't that good... & to all MJ supporter, don't tell us every time how much tickets or records he sold it's annoying... David Gilmour nows more about (live) music that any other here on this board - & Prince is one of the best live performer if not the best !

Putting ticket sales aside, if you came across a product or service that sucks, would you use it or come to that establishment again? My point is he must have been doing something right to have ticketholders come again. All statements here are opinions. I went to a Prince concert one time, and he gave an helluva show. No doubt. Though I am an MJ fan, I have never had the opportunity to go, but before his death, I heard that he was going to do some dates in the USA. I think if I had the chance of a lifetime to go, then I can judge for myself.

Reply #30 posted 02/01/12 11:55am

Dren5

Actually I believe there's some truth to what he's saying about MJ's show - I've never been all that impressed with his backing bands. MJ himself yes. Them, no.

Hell, even in MJ's last band when he was planning the "This Is It" performances, the guitarist that they were hyping up and as being this extraordinary talent (Orianthi) left me totally underwhelmed.

Reply #31 posted 02/01/12 1:50pm

sfinky1

MJ was a showman and entertainer. His shows reflect that. I saw 2 of his concerts in 1996/97. The band are good but obviously are under strict instruction to follow a script and play everythng in a set way, the same way, night after night - To the point where I thought they may as well play the damn CD cause no one would know the difference. The 2 shows i saw were virtually identical. The focal point of the whole thing was MJ and his dancing/stage presence. It's not the kind of show at all where u'd want to track down an audio bootleg and listen to the show again and again. cause again, may as well just listen to the CD. Half the songs were lip-synched anyway and other half actually sung live.

I saw prince live in 02 and is a totally different thing obviously. There wasn't a huge emphasis on visuals at all it was just about the music. He deconstructed a lot of his songs and played them in different ways, linked them in medleys, etc teased the audience by playing snippets (then said: "nah, y'all ain't ready for that.." haha) joked with the crowd etc. U never knew what was gonna happen next musically cause he also would spontaneously signal the band to do this or do that, play in this/that key, this or that member play a solo, stop on the 1, etc let the audience sing a part, etc etc and the set list changed
pretty drastically each concert night.

I am getting pretty tired of comparing the 2 cause they're both completely different types of artists and performers. Having seen both live though I can totally understand what Dave Gilmour is saying.
Reply #32 posted 02/01/12 3:13pm

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Reply #33 posted 02/01/12 3:37pm

angel345

Dren5 said:

Actually I believe there's some truth to what he's saying about MJ's show - I've never been all that impressed with his backing bands. MJ himself yes. Them, no.

Hell, even in MJ's last band when he was planning the "This Is It" performances, the guitarist that they were hyping up and as being this extraordinary talent (Orianthi) left me totally underwhelmed.

What happened to guitarist Jennifer Batten? I remembered her from the 'Bad' tour, and looking plus listening to older videos, he appeared to have a better musical chemistry with the band in the 'Bad' tour era.

Reply #34 posted 02/01/12 5:03pm

harbars

ricky lawson, greg phillinganes, david williams, jennifer batten, don boyette.

yeah, a real shitty band that! they all just suck!!! smile

but seriously, despite the "A" players they were, there was never much of real band feel with any of MJ's solo tours despite some small elements of player freedom and in certain parts some damn tight musicianship. The P comment certainly seems valid to me.

It's a shame that Gilmour didn't to elaborate on the corners he felt were cut with the bad tour show he saw in the US.

Reply #35 posted 02/01/12 5:16pm

angel345

harbars said:

ricky lawson, greg phillinganes, david williams, jennifer batten, don boyette.

yeah, a real shitty band that! they all just suck!!! smile

but seriously, despite the "A" players they were, there was never much of real band feel with any of MJ's solo tours despite some small elements of player freedom and in certain parts some damn tight musicianship. The P comment certainly seems valid to me.

It's a shame that Gilmour didn't to elaborate on the corners he felt were cut with the bad tour show he saw in the US.

Oh well shrug Too late for the critiques and the changes now.

Reply #36 posted 02/01/12 5:24pm

NightGod

I'd love for Prince to tour and record with David.
Reply #37 posted 02/01/12 5:55pm

alphastreet

I know most of you prefer MJ with his brothers, so what did you think of the Destiny, Triumph and Victory tours then?

Reply #38 posted 02/01/12 6:03pm

dalsh327

NightGod said:

I'd love for Prince to tour and record with David.

Gilmour's open for collaborations, he did a CD with The Orb.

But what about Prince coming out to do Comfortably Numb on the Wall tour??

Reply #39 posted 02/01/12 6:40pm

dalsh327

angel345 said:

Graycap23 said:

Kind of right? He is 100% right........but Mj fans will lose their lunch over the TRUTH.

I would't lose my lunch over this, but this question is for you and anyone. I know some musicians like Prince and Gilmour has a good ear for music. If MJ sucks so much live, why did his fans keep coming back? If it's that bad, how was he able to sell one million tickets before he passed? Some people says he sucks live, and some says he don't. Maybe it's a matter of opinion. What do you think?

To say they saw Michael Jackson in person?

Reply #40 posted 02/01/12 7:30pm

uuhson

MJ could have done the macarena for 3 hours straight to no music, and that shit would still sell out

Bogey and Bacall, peanut butter and jelly, Wall being on fucking point, is "classic" dipshit. An iphone is top shelf technology. Get it straight. This thing is 4g. -Wall the great
Reply #41 posted 02/01/12 8:48pm

dandeeland

unique said:

dandeeland said:

I disagree with David Gilmour. I have seen Michael 3 times and ALL three times it has been the BEST show I have ever seen topping the last. Michael rules live and even though Prince is my favorite artist Michael is the King when it comes to a live show. Just my opinion though. Gilmour is famous so his word is probably bond

how can "michael rules live" when he spent most of his solo concert stage time miming whilst on drugs? when was the last time you say him play live? how old were you at the time, and how close to the stage were you? how many times have you seen prince live, and when was the last time?

have you actually seen pink floyd live in the flesh?

I have seen Prince 24 times. Last time in 2004. When I saw Michael I was 24, 19 and 16 I think give or take a year. I dont know what that has to do with it but there you go. I realize that people here take offense if I dont say Prince is the greatest at everything in the world and nothing else matters. I cant help it. I like what I like. Sorry bud. I think Michael is the best I have ever seen live. I dont care about the lip syncing. To me its all about the show and entertainment. When I left those shows I was blown away. I like the danceing aspect of his shows. There is noone like him and never will be another. I have Prince in my top five artists live too or else I would not have kept going back. I have to admit though im not into his live shows nowadays though. He does not seem to play anything new so I dont go see him anymore. If he ever soes another new tour of new material I will be there though. If not I am content with the number 24.

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Reply #42 posted 02/01/12 8:59pm

alphastreet

I'm a huge mj fan and went hysterical watching his tours on tape for years, but unfortunately my time to see him live never came though I came so close with the o2. I've only seen Prince perform once and he's the best living male performer now that moved me as well and he's a true showman, but I was only going crazy on and off, MJ had me going the whole time. I know that makes me sound biased, but I do like MJ's catalogue more though I'm really feeling Prince too and love how he does a little bit of everything. I guess great dancing and MJ's voice in general and loving him for his music and caring about him as a person is all a combination, and relating to the music which I do.

Reply #43 posted 02/01/12 9:00pm

uuhson

i guess you're just really into dancing

Bogey and Bacall, peanut butter and jelly, Wall being on fucking point, is "classic" dipshit. An iphone is top shelf technology. Get it straight. This thing is 4g. -Wall the great
Reply #44 posted 02/01/12 9:22pm

dandeeland

alphastreet said:

I'm a huge mj fan and went hysterical watching his tours on tape for years, but unfortunately my time to see him live never came though I came so close with the o2. I've only seen Prince perform once and he's the best living male performer now that moved me as well and he's a true showman, but I was only going crazy on and off, MJ had me going the whole time. I know that makes me sound biased, but I do like MJ's catalogue more though I'm really feeling Prince too and love how he does a little bit of everything. I guess great dancing and MJ's voice in general and loving him for his music and caring about him as a person is all a combination, and relating to the music which I do.

Im right there with you. MJ kept my attention the whole show where Prince is always segments that are GREAT and segments that are boring. I like MJs albums better than Prince BUT Prince has so much more to listen to I tend to listen to Prince more. However, I like about 90% of Michaels songs where as with Prince I only like about 40-50% of his. I consider Prince as my favorite artist though up to about the last 6-8 years. Since then he has really dropped off alot with me. I still follow him but I just dont have that same enthusiasm about him anymore. RIP Michael

Reply #45 posted 02/01/12 11:03pm

alphastreet

dandeeland said:

alphastreet said:

I'm a huge mj fan and went hysterical watching his tours on tape for years, but unfortunately my time to see him live never came though I came so close with the o2. I've only seen Prince perform once and he's the best living male performer now that moved me as well and he's a true showman, but I was only going crazy on and off, MJ had me going the whole time. I know that makes me sound biased, but I do like MJ's catalogue more though I'm really feeling Prince too and love how he does a little bit of everything. I guess great dancing and MJ's voice in general and loving him for his music and caring about him as a person is all a combination, and relating to the music which I do.

Im right there with you. MJ kept my attention the whole show where Prince is always segments that are GREAT and segments that are boring. I like MJs albums better than Prince BUT Prince has so much more to listen to I tend to listen to Prince more. However, I like about 90% of Michaels songs where as with Prince I only like about 40-50% of his. I consider Prince as my favorite artist though up to about the last 6-8 years. Since then he has really dropped off alot with me. I still follow him but I just dont have that same enthusiasm about him anymore. RIP Michael

I know what you mean about playing Prince a lot, I've been doing that on and off for years too and I don't own or like everything of his, but can appreciate that he is like an artist who'll make some paintings I like and some I don't favour, and he does a little bit of something for everyone. I also find that Prince music I didn't like 10 years ago I've warmed up to now. But MJ will always be number one to me though I've missed him for ages anyways before the death and really wanted things to work out. I also agree all of MJ's albums are great.

Reply #46 posted 02/02/12 12:47am

Dren5

angel345 said:

Dren5 said:

Actually I believe there's some truth to what he's saying about MJ's show - I've never been all that impressed with his backing bands. MJ himself yes. Them, no.

Hell, even in MJ's last band when he was planning the "This Is It" performances, the guitarist that they were hyping up and as being this extraordinary talent (Orianthi) left me totally underwhelmed.

What happened to guitarist Jennifer Batten? I remembered her from the 'Bad' tour, and looking plus listening to older videos, he appeared to have a better musical chemistry with the band in the 'Bad' tour era.

Good question, and I have no clue. But even she wasn't really mind-blowing to me either.

I think to some extent I'm kinda spoiled and ruined in a sense though because I'm used to seeing females really just kill on the guitar so my expectations and standards are phenomenally high in that respect.

Reply #47 posted 02/02/12 3:30am

ali23

alphastreet said:

 



dandeeland said:


 



alphastreet said:


I'm a huge mj fan and went hysterical watching his tours on tape for years, but unfortunately my time to see him live never came though I came so close with the o2.  I've only seen Prince perform once and he's the best living male performer now that moved me as well and he's a true showman, but I was only going crazy on and off, MJ had me going the whole time.  I know that makes me sound biased, but I do like MJ's catalogue more though I'm really feeling Prince too and love how he does a little bit of everything.  I guess great dancing and MJ's voice in general and loving him for his music and caring about him as a person is all a combination, and relating to the music which I do.



Im right there with you. MJ kept my attention the whole show where Prince is always segments that are GREAT and segments that are boring. I like MJs albums better than Prince BUT Prince has so much more to listen to I tend to listen to Prince more. However, I like about 90% of Michaels songs where as with Prince I only like about 40-50% of his. I consider Prince as my favorite artist though up to about the last 6-8 years. Since then he has really dropped off alot with me. I still follow him but I just dont have that same enthusiasm about him anymore. RIP Michael



 


I know what you mean about playing Prince a lot, I've been doing that on and off for years too and I don't own or like everything of his, but can appreciate that he is like an artist who'll make some paintings I like and some I don't favour, and he does a little bit of something for everyone.  I also find that Prince music I didn't like 10 years ago I've warmed up to now.  But MJ will always be number one to me though I've missed him for ages anyways before the death and really wanted things to work out.  I also agree all of MJ's albums are great.


I agree with a lot of what you both said!
YOU DON'T NEED A BUS PASS FOR ME TO BUS YOUR ASS,NIGGA !
Reply #48 posted 02/02/12 3:40am

glamstar01

glamstar01 said:

i love Micheal JAckson but the live shows wasn't that good... & to all MJ supporter, don't tell us every time how much tickets or records he sold it's annoying... David Gilmour nows more about (live) music that any other here on this board - & Prince is one of the best live performer if not the best !

Putting ticket sales aside, if you came across a product or service that sucks, would you use it or come to that establishment again? My point is he must have been doing something right to have ticketholders come again. All statements here are opinions. I went to a Prince concert one time, and he gave an helluva show. No doubt. Though I am an MJ fan, I have never had the opportunity to go, but before his death, I heard that he was going to do some dates in the USA. I think if I had the chance of a lifetime to go, then I can judge for myself.

@angel234

He was a megastar, no doubt he would sellout arenas/stadiums but Madonna sellouts arenas/stadiums to... & she can't sing live! I don't wanna compare this 2 artist (MJ was 1000 x better ). He was a great dancer, entertainer , love his voice but for me his live shows wasn't that good & prince a better live perfomer. D. Gilmour made a statemant as a musician & i think someone like Gilmour knows what he is talking about ...

Reply #49 posted 02/02/12 4:09am

unique

dandeeland said:

unique said:

how can "michael rules live" when he spent most of his solo concert stage time miming whilst on drugs? when was the last time you say him play live? how old were you at the time, and how close to the stage were you? how many times have you seen prince live, and when was the last time?

have you actually seen pink floyd live in the flesh?

I have seen Prince 24 times. Last time in 2004. When I saw Michael I was 24, 19 and 16 I think give or take a year. I dont know what that has to do with it but there you go. I realize that people here take offense if I dont say Prince is the greatest at everything in the world and nothing else matters. I cant help it. I like what I like. Sorry bud. I think Michael is the best I have ever seen live. I dont care about the lip syncing. To me its all about the show and entertainment. When I left those shows I was blown away. I like the danceing aspect of his shows. There is noone like him and never will be another. I have Prince in my top five artists live too or else I would not have kept going back. I have to admit though im not into his live shows nowadays though. He does not seem to play anything new so I dont go see him anymore. If he ever soes another new tour of new material I will be there though. If not I am content with the number 24.

[Edited 2/1/12 20:50pm]

i asked for a few reasons really. for a start he hasn't toured since about 14 years ago, so memories and nostalgia can play a part, likewise age, so if you saw a favourite artist age 16 and that was way back in 1988, a number of things can make that seem special. likewise distance from stage. you can get two reviews of a gig and those down the front thought it was great, but those at the back didn't, or vice versa. as he lip synched most of his solo tours this would be disguised better by being further back

then you have people who say X was best, but haven't seen the rest for comparison. or other variables could have influenced the result. for example front row at a radiohead gig may seem better than back row at an rem gig. or one artist may have had a particularly great gig and the other not one of their best, for example depending on what tour you saw them and what they were trying to put over on that tour. someone who is a causual listener may find the SOTT tour great, but the ONA tour boring, or be lost at the gold exp tour as they didn't know the songs, but would love a hits set. one thing that's quite common with MJ fans is the lack of knowledge and experience of other artists. many won't have even been to a single gig in their entire life from any artist, but they would say MJ was the best

Reply #50 posted 02/02/12 4:24am

iloveannie

Nice closing comment Unique wink

To the debate I'd like to add that the Spice Girls world tour also sold out. Were they the best? Some would say yes.

Personally I'd be appalled if a singer mimed at a gig. What a fucking rip off.
Reply #51 posted 02/02/12 4:29am

iloveannie

dalsh327 said:

 



NightGod said:


I'd love for Prince to tour and record with David.

 


Gilmour's open for collaborations, he did a CD with The Orb. 


 


But what about Prince coming out to do Comfortably Numb on the Wall tour?? 



Stop it! I think I need to sit down. Then again I loved the Scissors version.
Reply #52 posted 02/02/12 2:52pm

angel345

glamstar01 said:

glamstar01 said:

i love Micheal JAckson but the live shows wasn't that good... & to all MJ supporter, don't tell us every time how much tickets or records he sold it's annoying... David Gilmour nows more about (live) music that any other here on this board - & Prince is one of the best live performer if not the best !

Putting ticket sales aside, if you came across a product or service that sucks, would you use it or come to that establishment again? My point is he must have been doing something right to have ticketholders come again. All statements here are opinions. I went to a Prince concert one time, and he gave an helluva show. No doubt. Though I am an MJ fan, I have never had the opportunity to go, but before his death, I heard that he was going to do some dates in the USA. I think if I had the chance of a lifetime to go, then I can judge for myself.

@angel234

He was a megastar, no doubt he would sellout arenas/stadiums but Madonna sellouts arenas/stadiums to... & she can't sing live! I don't wanna compare this 2 artist (MJ was 1000 x better ). He was a great dancer, entertainer , love his voice but for me his live shows wasn't that good & prince a better live perfomer. D. Gilmour made a statemant as a musician & i think someone like Gilmour knows what he is talking about ...

I think it has a lot to do with his charisma. I mean what artist can make even grown men and women faint and cry lol

Reply #53 posted 02/02/12 2:55pm

angel345

unique said:

dandeeland said:

I have seen Prince 24 times. Last time in 2004. When I saw Michael I was 24, 19 and 16 I think give or take a year. I dont know what that has to do with it but there you go. I realize that people here take offense if I dont say Prince is the greatest at everything in the world and nothing else matters. I cant help it. I like what I like. Sorry bud. I think Michael is the best I have ever seen live. I dont care about the lip syncing. To me its all about the show and entertainment. When I left those shows I was blown away. I like the danceing aspect of his shows. There is noone like him and never will be another. I have Prince in my top five artists live too or else I would not have kept going back. I have to admit though im not into his live shows nowadays though. He does not seem to play anything new so I dont go see him anymore. If he ever soes another new tour of new material I will be there though. If not I am content with the number 24.

[Edited 2/1/12 20:50pm]

i asked for a few reasons really. for a start he hasn't toured since about 14 years ago, so memories and nostalgia can play a part, likewise age, so if you saw a favourite artist age 16 and that was way back in 1988, a number of things can make that seem special. likewise distance from stage. you can get two reviews of a gig and those down the front thought it was great, but those at the back didn't, or vice versa. as he lip synched most of his solo tours this would be disguised better by being further back

then you have people who say X was best, but haven't seen the rest for comparison. or other variables could have influenced the result. for example front row at a radiohead gig may seem better than back row at an rem gig. or one artist may have had a particularly great gig and the other not one of their best, for example depending on what tour you saw them and what they were trying to put over on that tour. someone who is a causual listener may find the SOTT tour great, but the ONA tour boring, or be lost at the gold exp tour as they didn't know the songs, but would love a hits set. one thing that's quite common with MJ fans is the lack of knowledge and experience of other artists. many won't have even been to a single gig in their entire life from any artist, but they would say MJ was the best

Which is why I stated if MJ was alive today, and giving concerts, then I can judge his performance. MJ is naturally charismatic.

Reply #54 posted 02/02/12 3:05pm

uuhson

glamstar01 said:

if you came across a product or service that sucks, would you use it or come to that establishment again? My point is he must have been doing something right to have ticketholders come again.


this logic is really flawed, especially in the MJ context. he doesnt need to put on a good show to sell out, people go nuts just to see the motherfucker standing around. which isnt to put him down, its just the nature of his phenomenon

Bogey and Bacall, peanut butter and jelly, Wall being on fucking point, is "classic" dipshit. An iphone is top shelf technology. Get it straight. This thing is 4g. -Wall the great
Reply #55 posted 02/02/12 3:12pm

angel345

uuhson said:

glamstar01 said:

if you came across a product or service that sucks, would you use it or come to that establishment again? My point is he must have been doing something right to have ticketholders come again.


this logic is really flawed, especially in the MJ context. he doesnt need to put on a good show to sell out, people go nuts just to see the motherfucker standing around. which isnt to put him down, its just the nature of his phenomenon

Some people have 'it' more than others, charisma that is.

Reply #56 posted 02/03/12 3:15am

iloveannie

angel345 said:

 



glamstar01 said:



glamstar01 said:


 i love Micheal JAckson but the live shows wasn't that good... & to all MJ supporter, don't tell us every time how much tickets or records he sold it's annoying... David Gilmour nows more about (live) music that any other here on this board - &  Prince is one of the best live performer if not the best !



 Putting ticket sales aside, if you came across a product or service that sucks, would you use it or come to that establishment again? My point is he must have been doing something right to have ticketholders come again. All statements here are opinions. I went to a Prince concert one time, and he gave an helluva show. No doubt. Though I am an MJ fan, I have never had the opportunity to go, but before his death, I heard that he was going to do some dates in the USA. I think if I had the chance of a lifetime to go, then I can judge for myself.


 


 


@angel234


He was a megastar, no doubt he would sellout arenas/stadiums but Madonna sellouts arenas/stadiums to... & she can't sing live! I don't wanna compare this 2 artist (MJ was 1000 x better ). He was a great dancer, entertainer , love his voice but for me his live shows wasn't that good & prince a better live perfomer. D. Gilmour made a statemant as a musician & i think someone like Gilmour knows what he is talking about ...


 


 


 



 I think it has a lot to do with his charisma. I mean what artist can make even grown men and women faint and cry lol



I think that's more to do with hysteria and. People are strange.
Reply #57 posted 02/03/12 4:38am

LiLi1992

I love David, I love Pink Floyd and I agree with him about MJ, but this applies only to live performances MJ in the 90's. confused

MJ was a great performer in general. Bad and Triumph tours have been phenomenal.

[Edited 2/3/12 4:40am]

Reply #58 posted 02/03/12 7:21am

alphastreet

unique said:

dandeeland said:

I have seen Prince 24 times. Last time in 2004. When I saw Michael I was 24, 19 and 16 I think give or take a year. I dont know what that has to do with it but there you go. I realize that people here take offense if I dont say Prince is the greatest at everything in the world and nothing else matters. I cant help it. I like what I like. Sorry bud. I think Michael is the best I have ever seen live. I dont care about the lip syncing. To me its all about the show and entertainment. When I left those shows I was blown away. I like the danceing aspect of his shows. There is noone like him and never will be another. I have Prince in my top five artists live too or else I would not have kept going back. I have to admit though im not into his live shows nowadays though. He does not seem to play anything new so I dont go see him anymore. If he ever soes another new tour of new material I will be there though. If not I am content with the number 24.

[Edited 2/1/12 20:50pm]

i asked for a few reasons really. for a start he hasn't toured since about 14 years ago, so memories and nostalgia can play a part, likewise age, so if you saw a favourite artist age 16 and that was way back in 1988, a number of things can make that seem special. likewise distance from stage. you can get two reviews of a gig and those down the front thought it was great, but those at the back didn't, or vice versa. as he lip synched most of his solo tours this would be disguised better by being further back

then you have people who say X was best, but haven't seen the rest for comparison. or other variables could have influenced the result. for example front row at a radiohead gig may seem better than back row at an rem gig. or one artist may have had a particularly great gig and the other not one of their best, for example depending on what tour you saw them and what they were trying to put over on that tour. someone who is a causual listener may find the SOTT tour great, but the ONA tour boring, or be lost at the gold exp tour as they didn't know the songs, but would love a hits set. one thing that's quite common with MJ fans is the lack of knowledge and experience of other artists. many won't have even been to a single gig in their entire life from any artist, but they would say MJ was the best

I love MJ's concerts and am a fan, but I agree with your last comment, I can't relate to a lot of mj fans online cause they are too limited in their music choices and can't appreciate other great artists, and it makes them come off like they are into novelty, and almost like an insult to mj himself.

Reply #59 posted 02/03/12 11:46am

Shango

MJ's keyboardist Greg Phillinganes and drummer Ricky Lawson (both musical directors) aren't some unknown and inexperienced musicians from the industry. Pink Floyd's performances are known for the quality in sonic sound and maybe Gilmour raises that bar quite high when examining shows for other artists. Gilmour was interviewed in September 1990, so it's more than likely that he visted the second leg of the Bad Tour in the US, which ended somewhere in 1989. That's the tour on which Michael sang live most of the time. Iirc, his voice got problems during the Bad Tour, keeping in mind that intensive touring from 1987 to 1989 can take a serious toll, combined with the dancing. If you watch and hear "Wanna Be Startin' Something" at the first show in Japan, you'll hear him perform a flawless version of the song.

[Edited 2/3/12 12:44pm]

Reply #60 posted 02/03/12 12:27pm

Shango

angel345 said: What happened to guitarist Jennifer Batten? I remembered her from the 'Bad' tour, and looking plus listening to older videos, he appeared to have a better musical chemistry with the band in the 'Bad' tour era.

Batten played lead and rhythm guitar on Michael Jackson's Bad (1987), Dangerous (1992) and HIStory(1996) world tours,

as well as his 1993 Super Bowl half-time performance.

Between 1994 and 1999 Batten joined Dave Rodgers and Domino as featured guitarist on the eurobeat songs "Sun City", "Music For the People", "Fly" and "Woa Woa Woa." Her writing and performing is uncredited in several other songs under the A-Beat C label. Her live Eurobeat appearances were limited to playing at the Tokyo Dome with Dave Rodgers and Queen of Hearts.

In 2010 she recorded a solo for the song "Bad Girls" for a Polish singer Doda.


Jennifer Batten Official Homepage

Jennifer Batten (@mondocongo) @ Twitter

harbars said:

ricky lawson, greg phillinganes, david williams, jennifer batten, don boyette.

yeah, a real shitty band that! they all just suck!!! smile

Sheryl Crow, (Siedah Garrett), Darryl Phinnessee, Kevin Dorsey, Dorian Holley, John Clark

Reply #61 posted 02/03/12 1:07pm

unique

Shango said:

MJ's keyboardist Greg Phillinganes and drummer Ricky Lawson (both musical directors) aren't some unknown and inexperienced musicians from the industry. Pink Floyd's performances are known for the quality in sonic sound and maybe Gilmour raises that bar quite high when examining shows for other artists. Gilmour was interviewed in September 1990, so it's more than likely that he visted the second leg of the Bad Tour in the US, which ended somewhere in 1989. That's the tour on which Michael sang live most of the time. Iirc, his voice got problems during the Bad Tour, keeping in mind that intensive touring from 1987 to 1989 can take a serious toll, combined with the dancing. If you watch and hear "Wanna Be Startin' Something" at the first show in Japan, you'll hear him perform a flawless version of the song.

he only sang live during the first leg of the tour in japan. whilst floyd toured the world at that time and he could have potentially seen him in a number of countries, it's more likely he saw him in the UK, and during that second leg he was miming. it's not just the miming, it's the cheesy stage show, the awful thriller routine etc. the floyds show was something else entirely, with one of the most amazing lightshows, whilst the band played the full set live and improvised each night

Reply #62 posted 02/03/12 1:16pm

unique

Shango said:

angel345 said: What happened to guitarist Jennifer Batten? I remembered her from the 'Bad' tour, and looking plus listening to older videos, he appeared to have a better musical chemistry with the band in the 'Bad' tour era.

Batten played lead and rhythm guitar on Michael Jackson's Bad (1987), Dangerous (1992) and HIStory(1996) world tours,

as well as his 1993 Super Bowl half-time performance.

Between 1994 and 1999 Batten joined Dave Rodgers and Domino as featured guitarist on the eurobeat songs "Sun City", "Music For the People", "Fly" and "Woa Woa Woa." Her writing and performing is uncredited in several other songs under the A-Beat C label. Her live Eurobeat appearances were limited to playing at the Tokyo Dome with Dave Rodgers and Queen of Hearts.

In 2010 she recorded a solo for the song "Bad Girls" for a Polish singer Doda.


Jennifer Batten Official Homepage

Jennifer Batten (@mondocongo) @ Twitter

harbars said:

ricky lawson, greg phillinganes, david williams, jennifer batten, don boyette.

yeah, a real shitty band that! they all just suck!!! smile

Sheryl Crow, (Siedah Garrett), Darryl Phinnessee, Kevin Dorsey, Dorian Holley, John Clark

yes they were a shitty band

you see a great band isn't just a bunch of great musicians. a great band is a bunch of musicians working well together. MJ's band is a good example of a shitty band comprising of some great artists

those guys were paid to play. they weren't paid to work together, to jam together, to improvise with each other, they were paid to play set music in a set way, the same every night. doing that is not interesting or inpiring, thus why the shows lacked some. no solos, no improvisation. someone copying eddie van halens contribution to a record is not soloing, it's not interesting

take the floyd, whilst they had a basic set and would make amendments to the set list each night, they would still improvise during shows to keep things interesting, not so much for the audience but for themselves. they would jam at soundchecks, and they also played some club gigs playing covers and improvisations. pink floyd playing i heard it through the grape vine and born under a bad sign, respect and stuff like that. one of the biggest bands of all time playing club gigs. you never once had MJ or even his band do that

that's also what keeps things interesting for prince, his band and his fans. ever changing sets, improvisations and club gigs, and all live, no miming. no two gigs the same

and when you hear people saying MJ had problems during "intensive touring", it's just a fucking joke when compared to the tour schedules of pink floyd or prince, with far longer shows, all live performance and singing all the way through. in a single year floyd played close to the number of solo shows MJ did in his life

Reply #63 posted 02/03/12 2:07pm

iloveannie

GET IN THERE!!!
Reply #64 posted 02/03/12 2:18pm

LiLi1992

unique said:

Shango said:

MJ's keyboardist Greg Phillinganes and drummer Ricky Lawson (both musical directors) aren't some unknown and inexperienced musicians from the industry. Pink Floyd's performances are known for the quality in sonic sound and maybe Gilmour raises that bar quite high when examining shows for other artists. Gilmour was interviewed in September 1990, so it's more than likely that he visted the second leg of the Bad Tour in the US, which ended somewhere in 1989. That's the tour on which Michael sang live most of the time. Iirc, his voice got problems during the Bad Tour, keeping in mind that intensive touring from 1987 to 1989 can take a serious toll, combined with the dancing. If you watch and hear "Wanna Be Startin' Something" at the first show in Japan, you'll hear him perform a flawless version of the song.

he only sang live during the first leg of the tour in japan. whilst floyd toured the world at that time and he could have potentially seen him in a number of countries, it's more likely he saw him in the UK, and during that second leg he was miming. it's not just the miming, it's the cheesy stage show, the awful thriller routine etc. the floyds show was something else entirely, with one of the most amazing lightshows, whilst the band played the full set live and improvised each night

All Bad Tour concerts were performed live at least 80%, so what are you talking about?? eek Take your cotton wool from your ears. lol

I have many claims to the "live" performances of MJ in the 90's, but
in the 80's he was a terrific performer. Few artists in the world able to perform at his level.

Reply #65 posted 02/03/12 3:39pm

one800newfunk

very nice

PUSH YOUR WAY UP 2 THE FRONT, AND SHAKE YOUR MOTHER FUCKIN DOO LOOSE!!
Reply #66 posted 02/03/12 8:22pm

unique

LiLi1992 said:

unique said:

he only sang live during the first leg of the tour in japan. whilst floyd toured the world at that time and he could have potentially seen him in a number of countries, it's more likely he saw him in the UK, and during that second leg he was miming. it's not just the miming, it's the cheesy stage show, the awful thriller routine etc. the floyds show was something else entirely, with one of the most amazing lightshows, whilst the band played the full set live and improvised each night

All Bad Tour concerts were performed live at least 80%, so what are you talking about?? eek Take your cotton wool from your ears. lol

I have many claims to the "live" performances of MJ in the 90's, but
in the 80's he was a terrific performer. Few artists in the world able to perform at his level.

so that's 20% miming if your figures are right

Reply #67 posted 02/03/12 8:29pm

angel345

unique said:

Shango said:

Sheryl Crow, (Siedah Garrett), Darryl Phinnessee, Kevin Dorsey, Dorian Holley, John Clark

yes they were a shitty band

you see a great band isn't just a bunch of great musicians. a great band is a bunch of musicians working well together. MJ's band is a good example of a shitty band comprising of some great artists

those guys were paid to play. they weren't paid to work together, to jam together, to improvise with each other, they were paid to play set music in a set way, the same every night. doing that is not interesting or inpiring, thus why the shows lacked some. no solos, no improvisation. someone copying eddie van halens contribution to a record is not soloing, it's not interesting

take the floyd, whilst they had a basic set and would make amendments to the set list each night, they would still improvise during shows to keep things interesting, not so much for the audience but for themselves. they would jam at soundchecks, and they also played some club gigs playing covers and improvisations. pink floyd playing i heard it through the grape vine and born under a bad sign, respect and stuff like that. one of the biggest bands of all time playing club gigs. you never once had MJ or even his band do that

that's also what keeps things interesting for prince, his band and his fans. ever changing sets, improvisations and club gigs, and all live, no miming. no two gigs the same

and when you hear people saying MJ had problems during "intensive touring", it's just a fucking joke when compared to the tour schedules of pink floyd or prince, with far longer shows, all live performance and singing all the way through. in a single year floyd played close to the number of solo shows MJ did in his life

And do they dance, too? hmmm Name one artist or group that was able to accomplish both singing and choreographic dancing at the same time in all of their gigs.

Reply #68 posted 02/03/12 9:11pm

alphastreet

All the Bad concerts were live in the 80's. During the legs with more songs from the Bad album, some of the Bad album tracks were mimed, but not the non album ones. That's what the 80-20 figure was.

Reply #69 posted 02/03/12 9:13pm

LiLi1992

unique said:

LiLi1992 said:

All Bad Tour concerts were performed live at least 80%, so what are you talking about?? eek Take your cotton wool from your ears. lol

I have many claims to the "live" performances of MJ in the 90's, but
in the 80's he was a terrific performer. Few artists in the world able to perform at his level.

so that's 20% miming if your figures are right

I do not know exactly, but the maximum amount of lip-synching the songs - it was 3: part Man in the Mirror, Bad and Smooth criminal (there is so high notes and sharp transitions, I very much doubt that it`s possible to sing this song live good, it's very complicated vocal). What are the songs he was miming, except I have mentioned? wink

Reply #70 posted 02/03/12 10:21pm

alphastreet

High notes are not hard to sing or transition to if you have had vocal training though if you're dancing at the same time....

Reply #71 posted 02/03/12 11:35pm

unique

alphastreet said:

All the Bad concerts were live in the 80's. During the legs with more songs from the Bad album, some of the Bad album tracks were mimed, but not the non album ones. That's what the 80-20 figure was.

no, only the japanese gigs were completely live. every single solo show he did after that included miming

and as you later point out, it's not hard to sing and dance if you have training. you don't see prince miming or getting out of breath and shouting after he's been running about the stage and flipped upside down by the game boyz

or just simple control, so if you can't pull off the two at the same time, do the energetic movements at the times you aren't singing, so you aren't shouting the lyrics

being a good singer requires more than a good voice, it's voice control too, and that's what MJ lacked in his live performances. in the studio you could cut together umpteen takes to make a completed track, and that's what he did, but on stage you have one shot and he couldn't pull it off so used tapes

but we don't even know if that's what gilmour was referring to. it was probably other parts of the show

Reply #72 posted 02/03/12 11:39pm

LiLi1992

alphastreet said:

High notes are not hard to sing or transition to if you have had vocal training though if you're dancing at the same time....

do not agree. smile
transition to such a high note, as in this song, very, very difficult. You can ask it in any vocal coach.
This is a very difficult song vocally.
You can watch the video where Michael records We are the world in the studio, in this song his voice is not as high, but he was able to take notes only after 5 or 6 times. MJ would have never pulled smooth criminal live, very few vocalists of the highest level would be able to pull

unique, you wrote in one of the threads that MJ - one of the worst performers of all time, lol

it is obvious that you do not love him and his performances, so we initially looked at some things a little differently. smile
I think he was the best live solo performer in the 80's, just some rock bands (Queen, Pink Floyd, Scorpions) I put above him.
But YES in the 90s MJ concerts were not good for several reasons, the playback is only one of these reasons, he lacked energy, lacked his interest, lacked spontaneity, he was a pre-programmed. And the look is also a criteria, he was cute in the 80's and very strange looking guy in the 90s, it is also an important factor. confused

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Reply #73 posted 02/04/12 12:12am

alphastreet

It is hard, not disagreeing, but that's what vocal warmups are for before a performance too so it makes the transitions easier, just saying....

His 90's look onstage is not too different from the Bad tour if you think about it though it's certainly not Victory, but let's not make this about looks anymore. I just brought it up cause it already was.

As for Prince, the man birdcalls lol

Reply #74 posted 02/04/12 12:19am

Emancipation89

Well Prince said himself MJ was one of the greatest performers ever wink

And the look is also a criteria, he was cute in the 80's and very strange looking guy in the 90s, it is also an important factor. confused


I really don't get why people care so much about the look. When it comes to performance, his look has nothing to do with it. If anything, long hair can be very useful for a dancer because it helps make the movements look more dramatic.

Reply #75 posted 02/04/12 12:31am

dandeeland

alphastreet said:

unique said:

i asked for a few reasons really. for a start he hasn't toured since about 14 years ago, so memories and nostalgia can play a part, likewise age, so if you saw a favourite artist age 16 and that was way back in 1988, a number of things can make that seem special. likewise distance from stage. you can get two reviews of a gig and those down the front thought it was great, but those at the back didn't, or vice versa. as he lip synched most of his solo tours this would be disguised better by being further back

then you have people who say X was best, but haven't seen the rest for comparison. or other variables could have influenced the result. for example front row at a radiohead gig may seem better than back row at an rem gig. or one artist may have had a particularly great gig and the other not one of their best, for example depending on what tour you saw them and what they were trying to put over on that tour. someone who is a causual listener may find the SOTT tour great, but the ONA tour boring, or be lost at the gold exp tour as they didn't know the songs, but would love a hits set. one thing that's quite common with MJ fans is the lack of knowledge and experience of other artists. many won't have even been to a single gig in their entire life from any artist, but they would say MJ was the best

I love MJ's concerts and am a fan, but I agree with your last comment, I can't relate to a lot of mj fans online cause they are too limited in their music choices and can't appreciate other great artists, and it makes them come off like they are into novelty, and almost like an insult to mj himself.

Is this a comment towards me? You have no idea who I am so dont quote me in this. If you check my facebook page you will see the long list of artists I have seen live. I have been to see literally over 100 artists live and most are major acts. There are some samll ones too but most are well known. I have been a music store manager and now owner for 20 years so I feel like I know music pretty well. Granted, Im no expert and I am sure not as diverse as most Prince fans since they all seem to be experts but I am not limited in my music. I personally think MJ puts on the best concert with the entire "show". I have Prince in my top3 or 4 also which is nothing to be ashamed of. And for the record I saw Prince when I was 16 too for the first time. DAMN that was a good year. I got to see Prince and MJ in the same year!! They were not my first concerts but they were the best I had seen at that time. I miss them both.

Reply #76 posted 02/04/12 12:36am

alphastreet

dandeeland said:

alphastreet said:

I love MJ's concerts and am a fan, but I agree with your last comment, I can't relate to a lot of mj fans online cause they are too limited in their music choices and can't appreciate other great artists, and it makes them come off like they are into novelty, and almost like an insult to mj himself.

Is this a comment towards me? You have no idea who I am so dont quote me in this. If you check my facebook page you will see the long list of artists I have seen live. I have been to see literally over 100 artists live and most are major acts. There are some samll ones too but most are well known. I have been a music store manager and now owner for 20 years so I feel like I know music pretty well. Granted, Im no expert and I am sure not as diverse as most Prince fans since they all seem to be experts but I am not limited in my music. I personally think MJ puts on the best concert with the entire "show". I have Prince in my top3 or 4 also which is nothing to be ashamed of. And for the record I saw Prince when I was 16 too for the first time. DAMN that was a good year. I got to see Prince and MJ in the same year!! They were not my first concerts but they were the best I had seen at that time. I miss them both.

I didn't mean you, I know not all are like that. I just meant extreme ones who act like no other artist exists. He's my all time favourite too,but there are several others in my top 5 I have seen live many times and I've been to a lot of shows, musical and non music too.

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Reply #77 posted 02/04/12 12:38am

alphastreet

Emancipation89 said:

Well Prince said himself MJ was one of the greatest performers ever wink

And the look is also a criteria, he was cute in the 80's and very strange looking guy in the 90s, it is also an important factor. confused


I really don't get why people care so much about the look. When it comes to performance, his look has nothing to do with it. If anything, long hair can be very useful for a dancer because it helps make the movements look more dramatic.

He looked GOOD doing it no matter what year it was, I agree. And I personally love the long hair.

Reply #78 posted 02/04/12 2:01am

iloveannie

Hmm, different strokes different folks. Personally I preferred seeing Prince at Indigo than I did O2. I like music more than I like a show. Soul over glitz.
Reply #79 posted 02/04/12 3:59am

blackbob

dandeeland said:

unique said:

how can "michael rules live" when he spent most of his solo concert stage time miming whilst on drugs? when was the last time you say him play live? how old were you at the time, and how close to the stage were you? how many times have you seen prince live, and when was the last time?

have you actually seen pink floyd live in the flesh?

I have seen Prince 24 times. Last time in 2004. When I saw Michael I was 24, 19 and 16 I think give or take a year. I dont know what that has to do with it but there you go. I realize that people here take offense if I dont say Prince is the greatest at everything in the world and nothing else matters. I cant help it. I like what I like. Sorry bud. I think Michael is the best I have ever seen live. I dont care about the lip syncing. To me its all about the show and entertainment. When I left those shows I was blown away. I like the danceing aspect of his shows. There is noone like him and never will be another. I have Prince in my top five artists live too or else I would not have kept going back. I have to admit though im not into his live shows nowadays though. He does not seem to play anything new so I dont go see him anymore. If he ever soes another new tour of new material I will be there though. If not I am content with the number 24.

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i think the comment in bold says it all really.....sorry but mj was a great entertainer but anyone who knows what they are talking about cant seriously compare mj to prince as a live act or an artist...mj didnt even write most of his biggest album so come on...i dont want to get into a mj/prince thing but facts are facts...

Reply #80 posted 02/04/12 5:17am

chopingard

dalsh327 said:

Gilmour was being a constructive critic, they shared the same record label at the time, and if anything, Pink Floyd had been playing stadiums and staging spectacles for way longer than Michael at that time. The Bad tour was really the first time he was running the show.

To me, it's a shame Michael didn't get to tour Thriller, and pretty much saw the Victory tour as the last Jacksons tour, instead of doing the solo thing for a while - then at some point, working with his brothers again.

I never knew the Victory tour caused the sale of the New England Patriots though, and once Kraft acquired them, the turnaround happened. I guess without Michael, they wouldn't be in the Super Bowl this weekend. Was funny reading about Kraft owning the Victory poster.

http://www.boston.com/spo...l_jac.html

Guy Pratt plays on Michael's "Earth Song". Not a lot of people could say they played with Pink Floyd, Madonna, and Michael.

Really fantastic video and worth watching to the end

Reply #81 posted 02/04/12 9:06am

jonylawson

chopingard said:

dalsh327 said:

Gilmour was being a constructive critic, they shared the same record label at the time, and if anything, Pink Floyd had been playing stadiums and staging spectacles for way longer than Michael at that time. The Bad tour was really the first time he was running the show.

To me, it's a shame Michael didn't get to tour Thriller, and pretty much saw the Victory tour as the last Jacksons tour, instead of doing the solo thing for a while - then at some point, working with his brothers again.

I never knew the Victory tour caused the sale of the New England Patriots though, and once Kraft acquired them, the turnaround happened. I guess without Michael, they wouldn't be in the Super Bowl this weekend. Was funny reading about Kraft owning the Victory poster.

http://www.boston.com/spo...l_jac.html

Guy Pratt plays on Michael's "Earth Song". Not a lot of people could say they played with Pink Floyd, Madonna, and Michael.

Really fantastic video and worth watching to the end

just proves what i thought

MJ Music was a product serviced by session musicians

and sorry...he sounds lfucking pathetic..a grown ass man hiding behind a desk??

Reply #82 posted 02/05/12 3:32am

purple05

I dont post much, I just lurk.... but I just felt the need to say this. First he was speaking from a musical standpoint. He was talking about MJs band and Princes band, NOT the show overall. This guys opinion doesnt matter in the end anyway.

Music is subjective, either you like someone or you dont. I DONT and will NEVER understand why some Prince fans on this site salivate at the mouth when someone speaks of MJ negatively or put him down, or when MJ fans go crazy because he may not be number one. IT REALLY DOESNT MATTER!!!! All that matters is that you like them. There are many different artist out there for a reason.

Also just because Prince plays an instrument and MJ doesnt, dont mean a damn thing!!! It doesnt take away the fact that Mj could compose and write songs himself. They are both artist just in different ways. Prince was more gifted in instrumentation(sp) and Mj was more gifted in the performance/visual art area. Does that mean that they couldnt do the other, NO!! They just may not be as good at it as the other person. So please just come down from the high horses and just enjoy the music.

Reply #83 posted 02/05/12 4:45am

dandeeland

purple05 said:

I dont post much, I just lurk.... but I just felt the need to say this. First he was speaking from a musical standpoint. He was talking about MJs band and Princes band, NOT the show overall. This guys opinion doesnt matter in the end anyway.

Music is subjective, either you like someone or you dont. I DONT and will NEVER understand why some Prince fans on this site salivate at the mouth when someone speaks of MJ negatively or put him down, or when MJ fans go crazy because he may not be number one. IT REALLY DOESNT MATTER!!!! All that matters is that you like them. There are many different artist out there for a reason.

Also just because Prince plays an instrument and MJ doesnt, dont mean a damn thing!!! It doesnt take away the fact that Mj could compose and write songs himself. They are both artist just in different ways. Prince was more gifted in instrumentation(sp) and Mj was more gifted in the performance/visual art area. Does that mean that they couldnt do the other, NO!! They just may not be as good at it as the other person. So please just come down from the high horses and just enjoy the music.

Thank you!! I never understood why Prince fans crucify you over crap. It really makes you start hating Prince because if you dont suck Prince's dick on this site you get blasted. This is the only site I have been on where the fans are just so bitter. Its crazy. I honestly see why Prince has no website and doesnt care anymore. Gheez!! Of curse this is not directed to everyone on here but you know its true. All that should matter is that their are fans here that to some extent still like him to some degree. He has pushed most of us away and alot(not all) of people on this site push others away. I definately dont blast my friends on the stuff they like(even the ones that dont like Prince at all and thats a lot) but I do try to slide Prince in on them though.

Reply #84 posted 02/05/12 7:31am

mjpersempre

purple05 said:

I dont post much, I just lurk.... but I just felt the need to say this. First he was speaking from a musical standpoint. He was talking about MJs band and Princes band, NOT the show overall. This guys opinion doesnt matter in the end anyway.

Music is subjective, either you like someone or you dont. I DONT and will NEVER understand why some Prince fans on this site salivate at the mouth when someone speaks of MJ negatively or put him down, or when MJ fans go crazy because he may not be number one. IT REALLY DOESNT MATTER!!!! All that matters is that you like them. There are many different artist out there for a reason.

Also just because Prince plays an instrument and MJ doesnt, dont mean a damn thing!!! It doesnt take away the fact that Mj could compose and write songs himself. They are both artist just in different ways. Prince was more gifted in instrumentation(sp) and Mj was more gifted in the performance/visual art area. Does that mean that they couldnt do the other, NO!! They just may not be as good at it as the other person. So please just come down from the high horses and just enjoy the music.

Because that's their only way to reach an orgasm. Simple.

To hell that i would ever leave someone else deside for me what or who is good or bad. And i don't care what Gilmour said about the band or about Michael. What i know is that i have seen concerts of the "cool" rock, alternatives bands , for example Radiohead, the Cure, Bob Dylan, Metallica, Morrisey, etc etc and i wanted to cut my wrists from the boredom,the calculated, lifeless performans, the inability of some to sing life. Those people stood there like logs for three hours and i just wanted the whole thing to end up already. Some enjoyed their performans, i didn't. As you said music is subjective.

As for him who dig up an interview twenty+ years ago in order to prove, what, i say get a life.Or a girlfriend and stop bitching about Michael. if you don't like him, don't spend your presure time on that talentess man (according to you). wink

[Edited 2/5/12 7:32am]

Reply #85 posted 02/05/12 8:33am

EmancipationLover

LiLi1992 said:

alphastreet said:

High notes are not hard to sing or transition to if you have had vocal training though if you're dancing at the same time....

do not agree. smile
transition to such a high note, as in this song, very, very difficult. You can ask it in any vocal coach.
This is a very difficult song vocally.
You can watch the video where Michael records We are the world in the studio, in this song his voice is not as high, but he was able to take notes only after 5 or 6 times. MJ would have never pulled smooth criminal live, very few vocalists of the highest level would be able to pull

Very simple thing: if you cannot perform a song in a live concert, because it is too difficult, then you either make changes to the difficult parts or you don't perform the song. But you don't cheat on your audience by lip-synching the song.

prince
Reply #86 posted 02/05/12 9:29am

iloveannie

Anyone here a fan of Milli Vanilli? wink
Reply #87 posted 02/05/12 10:14am

muirdo

mjpersempre said:

purple05 said:

I dont post much, I just lurk.... but I just felt the need to say this. First he was speaking from a musical standpoint. He was talking about MJs band and Princes band, NOT the show overall. This guys opinion doesnt matter in the end anyway.

Music is subjective, either you like someone or you dont. I DONT and will NEVER understand why some Prince fans on this site salivate at the mouth when someone speaks of MJ negatively or put him down, or when MJ fans go crazy because he may not be number one. IT REALLY DOESNT MATTER!!!! All that matters is that you like them. There are many different artist out there for a reason.

Also just because Prince plays an instrument and MJ doesnt, dont mean a damn thing!!! It doesnt take away the fact that Mj could compose and write songs himself. They are both artist just in different ways. Prince was more gifted in instrumentation(sp) and Mj was more gifted in the performance/visual art area. Does that mean that they couldnt do the other, NO!! They just may not be as good at it as the other person. So please just come down from the high horses and just enjoy the music.

Because that's their only way to reach an orgasm. Simple.

To hell that i would ever leave someone else deside for me what or who is good or bad. And i don't care what Gilmour said about the band or about Michael. What i know is that i have seen concerts of the "cool" rock, alternatives bands , for example Radiohead, the Cure, Bob Dylan, Metallica, Morrisey, etc etc and i wanted to cut my wrists from the boredom,the calculated, lifeless performans, the inability of some to sing life. Those people stood there like logs for three hours and i just wanted the whole thing to end up already. Some enjoyed their performans, i didn't. As you said music is subjective.

As for him who dig up an interview twenty+ years ago in order to prove, what, i say get a life.Or a girlfriend and stop bitching about Michael. if you don't like him, don't spend your presure time on that talentess man (according to you). wink

[Edited 2/5/12 7:32am]

Why don't you just fuck off to a Michael Jackson fansite and post about him there instead of coming to a Prince site and try to defend him here.

Fuck the funk - it's time to ditch the worn-out Vegas horns fills, pick up the geee-tar and finally ROCK THE MUTHA-FUCKER!! He hinted at this on Chaos, now it's time to step up and fully DELIVER!!
woot!
KrystleEyes 22/03/05
Reply #88 posted 02/05/12 3:47pm

purple05

muirdo said:

mjpersempre said:

Because that's their only way to reach an orgasm. Simple.

To hell that i would ever leave someone else deside for me what or who is good or bad. And i don't care what Gilmour said about the band or about Michael. What i know is that i have seen concerts of the "cool" rock, alternatives bands , for example Radiohead, the Cure, Bob Dylan, Metallica, Morrisey, etc etc and i wanted to cut my wrists from the boredom,the calculated, lifeless performans, the inability of some to sing life. Those people stood there like logs for three hours and i just wanted the whole thing to end up already. Some enjoyed their performans, i didn't. As you said music is subjective.

As for him who dig up an interview twenty+ years ago in order to prove, what, i say get a life.Or a girlfriend and stop bitching about Michael. if you don't like him, don't spend your presure time on that talentess man (according to you). wink

[Edited 2/5/12 7:32am]

Why don't you just fuck off to a Michael Jackson fansite and post about him there instead of coming to a Prince site and try to defend him here.

Its not about defending anyone. Its about talking with some F**king sense. I cant belive that most of the people on this site are suppose to be 30+ yr old "mature adults" but then throw around insults like they a 12 yr old. If you dont like MJ for whatever reason then fine dont like him. No one is froced to like MJ, its a personal choice. Its also very stupid to bring an interview from years and years ago to try to put him down anyway. Whats the point of always bringing up the same ol sh*t over and over again?? Remeber we are not on a MJ messageboard, we are on a Prince website.

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ETA: I never understood the need to put down one artist to big up another. Its very stupid and immature. GROW THE F*UCK UP!!!!

[Edited 2/5/12 15:49pm]

Reply #89 posted 02/05/12 7:52pm

chopingard

muirdo said:

mjpersempre said:

Because that's their only way to reach an orgasm. Simple.

To hell that i would ever leave someone else deside for me what or who is good or bad. And i don't care what Gilmour said about the band or about Michael. What i know is that i have seen concerts of the "cool" rock, alternatives bands , for example Radiohead, the Cure, Bob Dylan, Metallica, Morrisey, etc etc and i wanted to cut my wrists from the boredom,the calculated, lifeless performans, the inability of some to sing life. Those people stood there like logs for three hours and i just wanted the whole thing to end up already. Some enjoyed their performans, i didn't. As you said music is subjective.

As for him who dig up an interview twenty+ years ago in order to prove, what, i say get a life.Or a girlfriend and stop bitching about Michael. if you don't like him, don't spend your presure time on that talentess man (according to you). wink

[Edited 2/5/12 7:32am]

Why don't you just fuck off to a Michael Jackson fansite and post about him there instead of coming to a Prince site and try to defend him here.

Cause some of us welcome a difference of opinon. That's why he shouldn't fuck off, Cause he's adding something to the disscussion rather than just insulting him.

I love MJ I love Prince for different reasons and could argue the pluses and minuses of them both till the cows come home.

But this is not a playground and it's not about who's best it's a hopefully adult disscussion about the differences in there approach to live performance.

Reply #90 posted 02/05/12 8:58pm

unique

purple05 said:

muirdo said:

Why don't you just fuck off to a Michael Jackson fansite and post about him there instead of coming to a Prince site and try to defend him here.

Its not about defending anyone. Its about talking with some F**king sense. I cant belive that most of the people on this site are suppose to be 30+ yr old "mature adults" but then throw around insults like they a 12 yr old. If you dont like MJ for whatever reason then fine dont like him. No one is froced to like MJ, its a personal choice. Its also very stupid to bring an interview from years and years ago to try to put him down anyway. Whats the point of always bringing up the same ol sh*t over and over again?? Remeber we are not on a MJ messageboard, we are on a Prince website.

exactly, people should fuck off to an MJ site if they want to talk about him. this isn't an MJ site nor a madonna site, it's a prince site

the article was quoted due to the prince content. i found it interesting that looking at something grace jones related i found a david gilmour from pink floyd connection, and from there a connection to prince from a 22 year old interview from one of the UK's best music magazines. being a huge long term fan of both prince and pink floyd and haven't not seen it before, or at least i don't remember seeing it before, i thought it was interesting and thus other people here would find it interesting. it wasn't posted so MJ fans could have a fucking whine about it. repost the article on an MJ site and fucking moan about it there. MJ is outclassed by prince so if someone tries to make some ridiculous claim otherwise on a prince site, what the fuck do you think the reaction is going to be on a prince website? the constant MJ shit on this site clearly isn't welcome by the majority of members so the relentless waffle on the subject just appears to be blatent trolling

now can a mod lock and/or delete this thread, thanks

Reply #91 posted 02/05/12 9:05pm

rdhull

iloveannie said:

Anyone here a fan of Milli Vanilli? wink

Their cd is going for high prices believe it or nit...the girl u know its true one, not the after fiasco one...Girl Im Gonna Miss You is the jam lol

Roger Ebert:rest in peace
Reply #92 posted 02/05/12 11:32pm

FunkySideEffects

I love both Prince & MJ's music.
pray Peace in the House of Prince.
Reply #93 posted 02/06/12 8:42am

jcurley

I went to see BAD tour in the 80's and was shocked by how chronic it was. However I understand why people would go back to see MJ because it is a spectacle-the musci bit is almost insignificant. I saw Madonna on the supebowel thing and thought the same. What orgers have to give up on is that people want fun and don't really expect "MUSIC". I know that sounds snobby but as long as people want that and don't ram it down your throat that it is better just coz they like it then let them have their fun.

Crack Kills x

Reply #94 posted 02/06/12 9:11am

purple05

unique said:

purple05 said:

Its not about defending anyone. Its about talking with some F**king sense. I cant belive that most of the people on this site are suppose to be 30+ yr old "mature adults" but then throw around insults like they a 12 yr old. If you dont like MJ for whatever reason then fine dont like him. No one is froced to like MJ, its a personal choice. Its also very stupid to bring an interview from years and years ago to try to put him down anyway. Whats the point of always bringing up the same ol sh*t over and over again?? Remeber we are not on a MJ messageboard, we are on a Prince website.

exactly, people should fuck off to an MJ site if they want to talk about him. this isn't an MJ site nor a madonna site, it's a prince site

the article was quoted due to the prince content. i found it interesting that looking at something grace jones related i found a david gilmour from pink floyd connection, and from there a connection to prince from a 22 year old interview from one of the UK's best music magazines. being a huge long term fan of both prince and pink floyd and haven't not seen it before, or at least i don't remember seeing it before, i thought it was interesting and thus other people here would find it interesting. it wasn't posted so MJ fans could have a fucking whine about it. repost the article on an MJ site and fucking moan about it there. MJ is outclassed by prince so if someone tries to make some ridiculous claim otherwise on a prince site, what the fuck do you think the reaction is going to be on a prince website? the constant MJ shit on this site clearly isn't welcome by the majority of members so the relentless waffle on the subject just appears to be blatent trolling

now can a mod lock and/or delete this thread, thanks

BULLSH*T... you posted this to get a rise out of people... POINT, BLANK, PERIOD!!!! If this was suppose to focus on Grace Jones, Pink Floyd and Prince, then in the original post why would you take exerpts from an article and highlight the parts where he talks about MJ?? Thats doesnt make any sense at all.

When I first read the title, I was wandering why this would be posted here and not in the Non-Prince section. But once I opened the thread and started to read, then I understood why it was posted here. You specifically dug up an article up that was 20yrs old where a person said that Prince was better than MJ so you could start some mess. The reason you posted it in Music & More and not Non Prince is because you wanted to have people go on and on about how Prince is so much better than MJ and not get called on your bs. If you posted this in the other section, you know they would have came for your ass.

I honestly have a few questions for you...

1) How can you say "exactly, people should fuck off to an MJ site if they want to talk about him. this isn't an MJ site nor a madonna site, it's a prince site" but then specifically dig up a 20yr old article and highlight the MJ parts???


2) Why does MJ have to be bashed in order to make Prince seem better??

3) Aslo why do you need validation from someone else to like who you like???

If you like Prince, like Prince. If you like MJ then dont like him. I will never understand why people need to bash one artist to big another one up. I will also never understand why people claim they dont like someone but then always have that persons name in their mouths.

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Reply #95 posted 02/06/12 9:17am

purple05

jcurley said:

I went to see BAD tour in the 80's and was shocked by how chronic it was. However I understand why people would go back to see MJ because it is a spectacle-the musci bit is almost insignificant. I saw Madonna on the supebowel thing and thought the same. What orgers have to give up on is that people want fun and don't really expect "MUSIC". I know that sounds snobby but as long as people want that and don't ram it down your throat that it is better just coz they like it then let them have their fun.

Crack Kills x

I agree and disagree. All of their concerts are about "music" but "music" takes precedence in some more than others. Also MJ was NEVER a musician. He has always first and foremost been a performer. He is a performer who isnt too bad in the music department. Prince is the opposite of that. Also just because they are more performers than musicians, it doesnt make Prince better than them. Its all about what YOU like. There are many different artist out there for a reason.

Reply #96 posted 02/06/12 10:28am

unique

purple05 said:

unique said:

exactly, people should fuck off to an MJ site if they want to talk about him. this isn't an MJ site nor a madonna site, it's a prince site

the article was quoted due to the prince content. i found it interesting that looking at something grace jones related i found a david gilmour from pink floyd connection, and from there a connection to prince from a 22 year old interview from one of the UK's best music magazines. being a huge long term fan of both prince and pink floyd and haven't not seen it before, or at least i don't remember seeing it before, i thought it was interesting and thus other people here would find it interesting. it wasn't posted so MJ fans could have a fucking whine about it. repost the article on an MJ site and fucking moan about it there. MJ is outclassed by prince so if someone tries to make some ridiculous claim otherwise on a prince site, what the fuck do you think the reaction is going to be on a prince website? the constant MJ shit on this site clearly isn't welcome by the majority of members so the relentless waffle on the subject just appears to be blatent trolling

now can a mod lock and/or delete this thread, thanks

BULLSH*T... you posted this to get a rise out of people... POINT, BLANK, PERIOD!!!! If this was suppose to focus on Grace Jones, Pink Floyd and Prince, then in the original post why would you take exerpts from an article and highlight the parts where he talks about MJ?? Thats doesnt make any sense at all.

When I first read the title, I was wandering why this would be posted here and not in the Non-Prince section. But once I opened the thread and started to read, then I understood why it was posted here. You specifically dug up an article up that was 20yrs old where a person said that Prince was better than MJ so you could start some mess. The reason you posted it in Music & More and not Non Prince is because you wanted to have people go on and on about how Prince is so much better than MJ and not get called on your bs. If you posted this in the other section, you know they would have came for your ass.

I honestly have a few questions for you...

1) How can you say "exactly, people should fuck off to an MJ site if they want to talk about him. this isn't an MJ site nor a madonna site, it's a prince site" but then specifically dig up a 20yr old article and highlight the MJ parts???


2) Why does MJ have to be bashed in order to make Prince seem better??

3) Aslo why do you need validation from someone else to like who you like???

If you like Prince, like Prince. If you like MJ then dont like him. I will never understand why people need to bash one artist to big another one up. I will also never understand why people claim they dont like someone but then always have that persons name in their mouths.

[Edited 2/6/12 9:18am]

you must be a fucking genius if you can read my mind. except mr genius you read it wrong

now to proove you wrong i want the thread locked or deleted as i don't want to argue with knob ends about a dead paedo

Reply #97 posted 02/06/12 10:31am

Genesia

rdhull said:

iloveannie said:

Anyone here a fan of Milli Vanilli? wink

Their cd is going for high prices believe it or nit...the girl u know its true one, not the after fiasco one...Girl Im Gonna Miss You is the jam lol

I saw them in concert once - their tape got messed up and panic ensued. lol

I mean if he did have sex he would break every rule Jehova's have regarding premarital sex so Prince is really just friends with them all anyway.
Reply #98 posted 02/06/12 10:34am

purple05

unique said:

purple05 said:

BULLSH*T... you posted this to get a rise out of people... POINT, BLANK, PERIOD!!!! If this was suppose to focus on Grace Jones, Pink Floyd and Prince, then in the original post why would you take exerpts from an article and highlight the parts where he talks about MJ?? Thats doesnt make any sense at all.

When I first read the title, I was wandering why this would be posted here and not in the Non-Prince section. But once I opened the thread and started to read, then I understood why it was posted here. You specifically dug up an article up that was 20yrs old where a person said that Prince was better than MJ so you could start some mess. The reason you posted it in Music & More and not Non Prince is because you wanted to have people go on and on about how Prince is so much better than MJ and not get called on your bs. If you posted this in the other section, you know they would have came for your ass.

I honestly have a few questions for you...

1) How can you say "exactly, people should fuck off to an MJ site if they want to talk about him. this isn't an MJ site nor a madonna site, it's a prince site" but then specifically dig up a 20yr old article and highlight the MJ parts???


2) Why does MJ have to be bashed in order to make Prince seem better??

3) Aslo why do you need validation from someone else to like who you like???

If you like Prince, like Prince. If you like MJ then dont like him. I will never understand why people need to bash one artist to big another one up. I will also never understand why people claim they dont like someone but then always have that persons name in their mouths.

[Edited 2/6/12 9:18am]

you must be a fucking genius if you can read my mind. except mr genius you read it wrong

now to proove you wrong i want the thread locked or deleted as i don't want to argue with knob ends about a dead paedo

DUH!!!! I cant read your mind, but thats how it comes off. You statedd one thing but then did the other.

Reply #99 posted 02/06/12 10:47am

rdhull

Genesia said:

rdhull said:

Their cd is going for high prices believe it or nit...the girl u know its true one, not the after fiasco one...Girl Im Gonna Miss You is the jam lol

I saw them in concert once - their tape got messed up and panic ensued. lol

You weren't at the infamouse outting cocncert were you? The MTV Jams concert?

Roger Ebert:rest in peace
Reply #100 posted 02/06/12 10:52am

Genesia

rdhull said:

Genesia said:

I saw them in concert once - their tape got messed up and panic ensued. lol

You weren't at the infamouse outting cocncert were you? The MTV Jams concert?

nod

In Milwaukee - at Summerfest. Also on the bill: Paula Abdul and Was Not Was. lol

I mean if he did have sex he would break every rule Jehova's have regarding premarital sex so Prince is really just friends with them all anyway.
Reply #101 posted 02/06/12 10:56am

rdhull

Genesia said:

rdhull said:

You weren't at the infamouse outting cocncert were you? The MTV Jams concert?

nod

In Milwaukee - at Summerfest. Also on the bill: Paula Abdul and Was Not Was. lol

whoah..that was the beginning of the end...the zeitgeist moment of Milli Vanilli, talent, lyp-synch controversy and industry uproar/change

Roger Ebert:rest in peace
Reply #102 posted 02/06/12 11:10am

Genesia

rdhull said:

Genesia said:

nod

In Milwaukee - at Summerfest. Also on the bill: Paula Abdul and Was Not Was. lol

whoah..that was the beginning of the end...the zeitgeist moment of Milli Vanilli, talent, lyp-synch controversy and industry uproar/change

I used to be embarrassed to admit I was at a Milli Vanilli/Paula Abdul concert. But, hey - I witnessed history! lol

I mean if he did have sex he would break every rule Jehova's have regarding premarital sex so Prince is really just friends with them all anyway.
Reply #103 posted 02/06/12 11:17am

rdhull

Genesia said:

rdhull said:

whoah..that was the beginning of the end...the zeitgeist moment of Milli Vanilli, talent, lyp-synch controversy and industry uproar/change

I used to be embarrassed to admit I was at a Milli Vanilli/Paula Abdul concert. But, hey - I witnessed history! lol

lol word..and we went to see Paula Abdul for her Vibeology tour ...I had my canera confiscated as I was snapping pics like I was a photog for some weird reason.

Roger Ebert:rest in peace
Reply #104 posted 02/06/12 12:29pm

unique

as for prince and mj, i was once at this james brown gig, and guess who guested onstage?

Reply #105 posted 02/06/12 12:30pm

rdhull

unique said:

as for prince and mj, i was once at this james brown gig, and guess who guested onstage?

exclaim !!!!!!!!!!!! exclaim

Roger Ebert:rest in peace
Reply #106 posted 02/06/12 12:43pm

catpark

^^ lol bingo

FUNKNROLL! dancing jig "February 2014, wow". 'dre. nod
Reply #107 posted 02/07/12 1:54am

sfinky1

rdhull said:

 



iloveannie said:


Anyone here a fan of Milli Vanilli? wink

 


 


Their cd is going for high prices believe it or nit...the girl u know its true one, not the after fiasco one...Girl Im Gonna Miss You is the jam lol



boxed
I actually really like Girl I'm Gonna Miss You (!)
Reply #108 posted 02/07/12 6:34am

angel345

sfinky1 said:

rdhull said:

Their cd is going for high prices believe it or nit...the girl u know its true one, not the after fiasco one...Girl Im Gonna Miss You is the jam lol

boxed I actually really like Girl I'm Gonna Miss You (!)

Don't be ashamed. I liked all of their hits lol

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