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Thread started 01/17/12 8:09am

funkyhead

Free Bootleg downloads - Are They helping P's legacy and not causing any harm?

It really has been a wild year or 2 with the advent of free unofficial music / video DL's. Frankly some of the things have been the stuff of dreams especially the 83 - 86 era. The [mostly] lossless quality, truly great artwork and care and attention puts P to shame. Gone are days of buying over priced,crap quality cassettes from Camden market on a Sunday !, it's all now here at the touch of a button.

The main arguement against bootlegs will centre around lost earnings for the artist and of course the moral case of plain and simple theft regardless of whether it's free or not.

If the DL's are free and P seemingly couldn't care less about his legacy does the availability of free DL's really do any harm?. I would argue strongly that it helps cement our appreciation for him and his asscoiates and if anything brings back any doubters!. It also gives us what we want - am I right in thinking that most of us would love to pay P directly to DL this stuff?, if he doesn't want it then I'll gladly have it for free!.

Frankly i look forward to old bootlegs far more than up coming new albums by P!

Where do you stand on this issue?

[Making this a temp sticky folks since discussion is also about some sites like megaupload that has been affected. - luv4u]

Reply #1 posted 01/17/12 8:33am

TheDigitalGardener

If Prince were to release these shows, either audio or video, unmolested and unedited, then I would be one of the first to get out my visa card and pay him for the pleasure. I'm sure there would be very little to stop him from setting up a site and offering these historic recordings in multiple audio formats to download for a small fee.

It is releases such as this that keep me being a fan of Prince after all these years, and I know i'm not alone on that one. So no, as long as they remain free, I don't think they do any harm, and yes, I agree that it helps to cement his legacy.

Reply #2 posted 01/17/12 8:33am

KoolEaze

If it wasn´t for bootlegs I never would´ve bought so many legit releases because the boots sparked my interest and kept it alive. Sure, I was already a fan before the boots but they made Prince much more interesting to me.

I´m sure most fans here on the org would definitely buy every single bootleg again if it came out as a legit release by Prince. So, no, I don´t think they´re causing any harm and yes, they do help his legacy as far as I´m concerned.

And eversince Prince released some of his concert footage on VHS tapes recorded from Korean TV, I for one am GLAD that there are people out there who seem to take better care of his legacy than he does. At least some of his body of work will be preserved for good that way.

I´m not too sure whether Prince and his camp are taking good care of his old tapes, and don´t get me started with Prince censoring his old material...who knows, maybe he´s already erased some of his older material due to the lyrics.

Most bootlegs also have much better cover artwork than all his post 1992 releases.

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Reply #3 posted 01/17/12 8:42am

TheDigitalGardener

KoolEaze said:

I for one am GLAD that there are people out there who seem to take better care of his legacy than he does. At least some of his body of work will be preserved for good that way.

Exactly.

These releases are not just thrown out there. There must be a number of highly skilled people involved in the creation of a quality free bootleg, from people who work on the sound (if needed) to the people who design great artwork, and also the people who write up the information so we know what we are listening to. And all in their spare time, for free, for the love of the music.

Reply #4 posted 01/17/12 8:51am

Serious

KoolEaze said:

If it wasn´t for bootlegs I never would´ve bought so many legit releases because the boots sparked my interest and kept it alive. Sure, I was already a fan before the boots but they made Prince much more interesting to me.

I´m sure most fans here on the org would definitely buy every single bootleg again if it came out as a legit release by Prince. So, no, I don´t think they´re causing any harm and yes, they do help his legacy as far as I´m concerned.

And eversince Prince released some of his concert footage on VHS tapes recorded from Korean TV, I for one am GLAD that there are people out there who seem to take better care of his legacy than he does. At least some of his body of work will be preserved for good that way.

I´m not too sure whether Prince and his camp are taking good care of his old tapes, and don´t get me started with Prince censoring his old material...who knows, maybe he´s already erased some of his older material due to the lyrics.

Most bootlegs also have much better cover artwork than all his post 1992 releases.

I agree with your whole post and the bolded part is very true for a lot of Prince fans I know who bought a lot more official releases or only became real fans because they were so impressed by his outtakes and live shows on tapes/vinyl/CDs.

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Reply #5 posted 01/17/12 9:20am

ufoclub

Specifically youtube is helping him build a legendary reputation now that people can happen on stuff only the hard core faithful had been keeping count of.

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Reply #6 posted 01/17/12 10:13am

PANDURITO

I will agree when I meet someone who ONLY downloads not legally obtainable stuff neutral

Reply #7 posted 01/17/12 11:06am

ludwig

The bootleggers give me what I want.

Prince gives me ..... a coffe table book. confused

Reply #8 posted 01/17/12 11:13am

NouveauDance

Couldn't agree more with the sentiments expressed already.

At least there are people out there bothered about the legacy and preservation of the back catalogue as best they can be, even if Prince himself doesn't give a shit, or isn't prepared to do anything about it yet.

Reply #9 posted 01/17/12 12:03pm

vc40

It's the ONLY reason I'm still interested in Prince and why I'm still buying his cd's and concerttickets.

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Reply #10 posted 01/17/12 12:05pm

errant

depends on the bootleg, I suppose.

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Reply #11 posted 01/17/12 12:35pm

ludwig

Im listening to the Box O Chocolates - boot right now. Awesome!

Reply #12 posted 01/17/12 12:48pm

treehouse

Bootlegs fuel fan worship. A lot of bands have figured that out by now.

Grateful Dead were making 50M a year.

A lot of artists who got passed by thanks to the industry machine only got rediscovered and proper reissues *because* of pirated and bootleged recordings. It's always been a small record collector thing...with few exceptions

Prince is one of those exceptions..... he's had whole records released on the black market, which as far as we know, he didn't profit from. He's also had raw demos exploited.

In some cases, there's more clamoring for the bootleg material than there is his fully conceived projects. And either he's privately authorizing some of the new wave of boots to get the junk off the streets, or someone very close to Prince (like say, a former manager, drummer, keys player, advisor) has a stash .... because there's been no legal recourse, and remember, Prince clamps down on his own official videos getting posted on Youtube.

Of course it helps him. I know I'm not the only one who has stepped away from Prince a few times, lost interest, then ended up rekindling my love for him after staying up all night when I've stumbled on a bootleg, or footage that excites me. Next thing I know, I'm pulling out the records again and you all know the rest.

Reply #13 posted 01/17/12 12:50pm

veronikka

ludwig said:

The bootleggers give me what I want.

Prince gives me ..... a coffe table book. confused

lol

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Reply #14 posted 01/17/12 1:37pm

NeonCraxx

ludwig said:

The bootleggers give me what I want.


 


Prince gives me .....  a coffe table book.   confused



You didnt have to buy it.
Reply #15 posted 01/17/12 3:17pm

unique

i think the reason i'm such a big prince fan moreso than any other artist is the volume and quality of his work, both the released material, and perhaps moreso the bootleg material of the last 20 odd years, as you only normally get about 1 normal album per year if you are lucky, as with most bands, so the bootlegs keep you constantly interested until the next official release comes along

i've heard a number of other fans say the same thing. i don't know anyone who has got sick of listening to prince because there were too many bootlegs. you just don't need to get them or listen to them if you don't want them, but some of the recent bootlegs have been of amazing quality both in sound and in performance. you could show the pro shot montreux or club nokia dvds to any average person and they would be impressed by the performances. even the mobile phone shot videos of the last couple of years synched with audience sound recordings have been pretty amazing. just the fact that between everyone at a gig, almost every second of footage is recorded, and the footage from near the front in HD quality is just amazing. and to think the last official live dvd was 10 years ago now

Reply #16 posted 01/17/12 3:36pm

jon1967

all this talk of Prince music makes me wanna

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Reply #17 posted 01/17/12 3:54pm

funkyhead

ludwig said:

The bootleggers give me what I want.

Prince gives me ..... a coffe table book. confused

quote of the year so far!

Reply #18 posted 01/17/12 4:33pm

irinact

I'm against bootlegs because it that would be OK, then the demand for bootleg market will grow a lot and the quality will improve aslo.

For those people who saying that if it not for bootlegs they would never discover some records. That is not a good excuse, because when you want to buy legit albums, there is always samples that you can listen to.

As for keeping his legacy, he propbably has people who makes videos of his shows, same thinh with records. He just doesn't want to release them yet for his personal reasons.

.

[Edited 1/17/12 16:57pm]

Reply #19 posted 01/17/12 10:12pm

dalsh327

I don't think bootlegs hurt artists at all, esp. if they become freely available. The only exception is if someone is leaking songs currently being worked on in the studio, undermining record sales. It's an ethical decision whether or not to post those songs for people to hear. There have been times when a leaked recording created demand, where the record company told the artist to shelve it, "we don't hear a hit" - Dave Matthews "Busted Stuff" was released for that reason. Black Album should have been released sooner, only because the bootlegs were in such demand at the time, gouging the fans.

The Grateful Dead were never for people bootlegging their studio recordings. And if the live tape is released officially, the fans can only post or trade fan-made recordings.

I think if the artist radically changes their setlist - and this is the case with Springsteen or Tori Amos and Pearl Jam - those concert tapes are going to vary show to show.

But what I think would bother Prince more than bootlegs are the 94 East tapes, once they started repackaging them, taking up real estate in the record stores.

There's some bands that haven't put out a live album or a live DVD - Tool comes to mind, and it's because they feel people need to go to the show and experience it for themselves. We can see the Stones DVD releases of their live shows as to why it might be worth the wait if there's been filmed shows in the past. Who knows - maybe there will be an official DVD included in with a Deluxe Edition of some of the albums.

Reply #20 posted 01/17/12 10:24pm

jon1967

u couldnt even get a camera in a show in the past how does one make this n if ppl know who are in the know then its not really a shock is it .. seems like a lot of drama over something which probobly is expected to be out. Are they "boot" whatever because the record compy's wont sell them or what. I mean who makes boots ?

Reply #21 posted 01/17/12 10:55pm

luv4u

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TheDigitalGardener said:

KoolEaze said:

I for one am GLAD that there are people out there who seem to take better care of his legacy than he does. At least some of his body of work will be preserved for good that way.

Exactly.

These releases are not just thrown out there. There must be a number of highly skilled people involved in the creation of a quality free bootleg, from people who work on the sound (if needed) to the people who design great artwork, and also the people who write up the information so we know what we are listening to. And all in their spare time, for free, for the love of the music.

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Reply #22 posted 01/17/12 11:25pm

unique

irinact said:

I'm against bootlegs because it that would be OK, then the demand for bootleg market will grow a lot and the quality will improve aslo.

For those people who saying that if it not for bootlegs they would never discover some records. That is not a good excuse, because when you want to buy legit albums, there is always samples that you can listen to.

As for keeping his legacy, he propbably has people who makes videos of his shows, same thinh with records. He just doesn't want to release them yet for his personal reasons.

.

[Edited 1/17/12 16:57pm]

there aren't that many boots that you can't still listen to other music. there is both a limit to the number of live shows and outtakes that anyone can record, nevermind be bootlegs off. there aren't 2 or 3 new bootlegs out every day, so plenty of time to listen to other things. it probably would put you off if you listened to the same thing every day

Reply #23 posted 01/18/12 6:14am

ludwig

NeonCraxx said:

ludwig said:

The bootleggers give me what I want.

Prince gives me ..... a coffe table book. confused

You didnt have to buy it.

And you could have ignored my post.

Reply #24 posted 01/18/12 6:24am

luv4u

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ludwig said:

NeonCraxx said:

ludwig said: You didnt have to buy it.

And you could have ignored my post.

Don't start something where there ain't nuffin. lurking

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Reply #25 posted 01/18/12 6:28am

ludwig

luv4u said:

ludwig said:

And you could have ignored my post.

Don't start something where there ain't nuffin. lurking

Nahh, not in that mood at all. It's all good.

Reply #26 posted 01/18/12 6:29am

luv4u

Moderator

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ludwig said:

luv4u said:

Don't start something where there ain't nuffin. lurking

Nahh, not in that mood at all. It's all good.

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Reply #27 posted 01/18/12 6:35am

Dren5

Actually I think they actually help his legacy, yeah. A lot of the unreleased stuff is truly epic and frankly, should be out there. Lets people see how extraordinarily talented he is.

I think what actually fucks with his legacy is when he totally reworks those songs and then releases them, and when he refuses to have his music remastered. But then again, like I've thought before...we have no way of knowing if the lack of remasters is because of Prince, himself. There might be other, record-company related factors that are stopping that from happening, we just don't know.

Reply #28 posted 01/18/12 3:24pm

Astasheiks

have to bookmark this thread razz

Reply #29 posted 01/18/12 4:49pm

alexnvrmnd777

vc40 said:

It's the ONLY reason I'm still interested in Prince and why I'm still buying his cd's and concerttickets.

Co-sign. It is literally the ONLY reason why I still have an interest in him.

Reply #30 posted 01/18/12 4:50pm

alexnvrmnd777

NeonCraxx said:

ludwig said:

The bootleggers give me what I want.

Prince gives me ..... a coffe table book. confused

You didnt have to buy it.

Did he say he did?

Reply #31 posted 01/18/12 5:52pm

NeonCraxx

alexnvrmnd777 said:

Did he say he did?

Do I care if he said he did? Sheesh.

[Edited 1/18/12 17:55pm]

Reply #32 posted 01/18/12 6:39pm

daddymac

irinact said:

I'm against bootlegs because it that would be OK, then the demand for bootleg market will grow a lot and the quality will improve aslo.

For those people who saying that if it not for bootlegs they would never discover some records. That is not a good excuse, because when you want to buy legit albums, there is always samples that you can listen to.

As for keeping his legacy, he propbably has people who makes videos of his shows, same thinh with records. He just doesn't want to release them yet for his personal reasons.

.

[Edited 1/17/12 16:57pm]

Sorry mate I don't agree with this.

Bootlegs and even Pirated music available on the net helps in understanding and learning about an artist.

I have become a huge Miles Davis fan due to the fact of me obtaining his discography of over 100 albums. I have since gone to read his autobiography, buy many of his albums on CD and even gone and spent a great deal of cash on Bitches Brew Vinyl special editions as well as Kind Of Blue.

So what do you mean about not a good excuse. Some of us are not millionaires who can go and buy 100 Miles Davis records. When you get to a stage where your music intrests are quite vast it is actually impossible to buy exverthing you like.

Getting back to the point. If Prince is not releasing live material then it is his fault im sorry. We are Prince fans and we want to watch, listen to his recordings. Not all of us can leave our lives and travel to places like Montreux etc. I am in Australia, Prince has not come here since 2003 which I was front row centre. I have bought all his legit releases. The live gigs that I want to see of his are not being released. So you have to resort to downloading bootlegs.

Im not sure I understand what you mean by when you want to buy leigit albums there are always samples to listen too.

What do you want us Prince fans to do. Ohh no I forbid myself from listening to any of Princes live material or recordings that he has not released yet. If I accidently listen to it then I must run to the confession box and beg for forgiveness.

Pfft.

Reply #33 posted 01/18/12 7:19pm

alexnvrmnd777

NeonCraxx said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

Did he say he did?

Do I care if he said he did? Sheesh.

[Edited 1/18/12 17:55pm]

You must've because you were the one that brought up him buying something.

Reply #34 posted 01/18/12 7:32pm

NeonCraxx

alexnvrmnd777 said:

NeonCraxx said:

Do I care if he said he did? Sheesh.

[Edited 1/18/12 17:55pm]

You must've because you were the one that brought up him buying something.

He/she implied that Prince gave us fans "a coffee table book" when in fact Prince didn't.

Prince didn't give me a book. I paid for it.

I reminded this person that if he's unappreciative about this so called "coffee table book" (especially when there is a whole friggin music video chuck full of pictures from the book) then he didn't have to buy it.

Reply #35 posted 01/19/12 12:35pm

Jatrig

ludwig said:

The bootleggers give me what I want.

Prince gives me ..... a coffe table book. confused

HAHAHAHA defintiely quote of the year! This pretty much sums it all up both metaphorically and literally - brilliant!

Reply #36 posted 01/19/12 12:42pm

Jatrig

I was JUST having this conversation:

I recognize it's a problem to expect art/music for free. It's worth something and nothing will be created if it's free because artists gotta eat

That said - prince boots don't impact Prince negatively at all. (1) Only the hard-core know where to even look to download the free boots, and so (2) any release by prince that contains previously bootlegged material will be (a) bought by the masses (if it doesn't suck) and bought by the hard-core who want a glossy/revised/officially released version. Finally, (3) aside from a couple trax - we can be fairly certain prince aint releasing his bootlegged material, especially his videos.

The one argument I can see is w/ his outtakes and demos (my favorite gems). He views these probably as little baby's, or seeds, that grow and mature and need "marinating" before they are ready for release. I can see him drawing upon his vault for ideas for new, combined, songs. Example: using the guitar riff from unreleased Rave in his song "The Max." He may, fairly, not want people knowing there was an entire song that's behind one bass-line or guitar riff

Reply #37 posted 01/19/12 1:47pm

jon1967

cry where to even look

Reply #38 posted 01/19/12 1:49pm

purplethunder3121

APNewsBreak: Feds shut down file-sharing website

January 19, 2012 — McLEAN, Virginia (AP) — One of the world's largest file-sharing sites was shut down Thursday, and its founder and several company executives were charged with violating piracy laws, federal prosecutors said.

An indictment accuses Megaupload.com of costing copyright holders more than $500 million in lost revenue from pirated films and other content. The indictment was unsealed one day after websites including Wikipedia and Craigslist shut down in protest of two congressional proposals intended to thwart online piracy.

The Justice Department said in a statement said that Kim Dotcom, formerly known as Kim Schmitz, and three other executives were arrested Thursday in New Zealand at the request of U.S. officials. Two other defendants are at large.

Megaupload was unique not only because of its massive size and the volume of downloaded content, but also because it had high-profile support from celebrities, musicians and other content producers who are most often the victims of copyright infringement and piracy. Before the website was taken down, it contained endorsements from Kim Kardashian, Alicia Keys and Kanye West, among others.

The Hong Kong-based company listed Swizz Beatz, a musician who married Keys in 2010, as its CEO. He was not named in the indictment and declined to comment through a representative. Before the site was taken down, it posted a statement saying allegations that it facilitated massive breaches of copyright laws were "grotesquely overblown."

"The fact is that the vast majority of Mega's Internet traffic is legitimate, and we are here to stay. If the content industry would like to take advantage of our popularity, we are happy to enter into a dialogue. We have some good ideas. Please get in touch," the statement said.

The site boasted 150 million registered users. A lawyer who represented the company in a lawsuit last year declined comment Thursday. Megaupload is considered a "cyberlocker," in which users can upload and transfer files that are too large to send by email. Such sites can have perfectly legitimate uses. But the Motion Picture Association of America, which has campaigned for a crackdown on piracy, estimated that the vast majority of content being shared on Megaupload was in violation of copyright laws.

The website allowed users to download films, TV shows, games, music and other content for free, but made money by charging subscriptions to people who wanted access to faster download speeds or extra content. The website also sold advertising.

The indictment was returned in the Eastern District of Virginia, which claimed jurisdiction in part because some of the alleged pirated materials were hosted on leased servers in Ashburn, Virginia. Dotcom, a resident of both Hong Kong and New Zealand, and a dual citizen of Finland and Germany, made more than $42 million from the conspiracy in 2010 alone, according to the indictment.

Dotcom is founder, former CEO and current chief innovation officer of Megaupload. sad


[Edited 1/19/12 13:52pm]

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Reply #39 posted 01/19/12 2:03pm

TheDigitalGardener

^^ Yeah, that's a shame, however, there are plenty of others.

Reply #40 posted 01/19/12 2:16pm

ecstasy

oh wow, i loved MU ;(... so sad to hear

:/

Yes, at 19, I finally saw the Revolution, a legendary band. And I talked to Wendy!!! biggrin In addition to seeing Prince, I have now lived life. Thank you Purple People!!
Reply #41 posted 01/19/12 2:29pm

purplethunder3121

TheDigitalGardener said:

^^ Yeah, that's a shame, however, there are plenty of others.

Others, including Mediafire, are targeted as well... mad

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Reply #42 posted 01/19/12 2:43pm

TheDigitalGardener

purplethunder3121 said:

TheDigitalGardener said:

^^ Yeah, that's a shame, however, there are plenty of others.

Others, including Mediafire, are targeted as well... mad

Wow, crackdown! lol

Reply #43 posted 01/19/12 2:52pm

purplethunder3121

TheDigitalGardener said:

purplethunder3121 said:

Others, including Mediafire, are targeted as well... mad

Wow, crackdown! lol

The feds are out for blood this time! razz lol missile

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Reply #44 posted 01/19/12 3:08pm

funkyhead

R.I.P. Megaupload, loved this site. Ahhh well, there are so many alternatives out there. In the context of P though all he has to do is give us what we want and we'd [mostly] happily pay- it really is as frickin' simple as that.

Reply #45 posted 01/19/12 3:10pm

alexnvrmnd777

TheDigitalGardener said:

purplethunder3121 said:

Others, including Mediafire, are targeted as well... mad

Wow, crackdown! lol

Mediafire's my shit, though. They allowed simultaneous downloading, so ALWAYS use that shit. Here's hoping they stop at MU. lol

Reply #46 posted 01/19/12 3:25pm

purplethunder3121

Anonymous says it attacks DOJ site after feds shut down piracy hub Megaupload

@CNNMoneyTech January 19, 2012: 6:13 PM ET


NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- In one of the U.S. government's largest anti-piracy crackdowns ever, federal agents on Thursday arrested the leaders of and shut down Megaupload.com, a popular hub for illegal file sharing.

Hours later, Megaupload's fans turned the table on the feds. "Hacktivist" collective Anonymous said it set its sights on the U.S. Department of Justice and apparently knocked the agency's website offline.

"We are having website problems, but we're not sure what it's from," a DOJ spokeswoman told CNNMoney.

The DOJ website glitches came soon after various Twitter accounts associated with Anonymous took aim at the agency.

Anonymous's favorite weapon for these attacks is what's called a "distributed denial of service" (DDoS) attack, which directs a flood of traffic to a website and temporarily crashes it by overwhelming its servers. It doesn't actually involve any hacking or security breaches.

"One thing is certain: EXPECT US! #Megaupload" read one tweet from AnonOps that went out mid-afternoon.

One hour later, the same account tweeted a victory message: "Tango down!

http://universalmusic.com & http://www.justice.gov// #Megaupload"

Universal Music's website also went down Thursday afternoon. The music company had been locked in a legal battle with Megaupload over a YouTube video that featured many of Universal Music's signed artists promoting Megaupload's site.

The websites of the Recording Industry Association of America and Motion Picture Association of America also went down Thursday afternoon. On Twitter, AnonOps took credit for the crashes.

The Anonymous attack came soon after the DOJ announced the indictment of seven individuals connected to Megaupload for allegedly operating an "international organized criminal enterprise responsible for massive worldwide online piracy of copyrighted works."

Authorities said the operation had generated more than $175 million in illegal profits through advertising revenue and the sale of premium memberships.

According to the indictment, Megaupload, which launched in 2005, was once the 13th most visited website on the Internet, serving as a hub for distribution of copyrighted television shows, images, computer software and video games.

AND THE BACKLASH HAS BEGUN!!! lol

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Hyperactive 'till I'm dead and gone...
Reply #47 posted 01/19/12 6:43pm

Mong

AND THE BACKLASH HAS BEGUN LOL

Grow the fuck up. This is not a game. You like seeing artists who rely on people buying their music for their livelihoods being treated like this?

Reply #48 posted 01/19/12 8:44pm

luv4u

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Reply #49 posted 01/19/12 9:32pm

mplsmike

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Reply #50 posted 01/20/12 2:15am

mynameisnotsusan

Thanks Megaupload. Was fun while it lasted. Amazed you got away with it for so long.

Thirsty ass ho
Reply #51 posted 01/20/12 2:47am

TheDigitalGardener

funkyhead said:

R.I.P. Megaupload, loved this site. Ahhh well, there are so many alternatives out there. In the context of P though all he has to do is give us what we want and we'd [mostly] happily pay- it really is as frickin' simple as that.

Yes there are, but I don't think any of them offer link life or multi GB storage like MU did. I think MU was one of the only file sharing sites to offer links that would last indefinitely. Most of the other file sharing sites' links have a short life span then they go dead.

Reply #52 posted 01/20/12 2:49am

TheDigitalGardener

alexnvrmnd777 said:

TheDigitalGardener said:

Wow, crackdown! lol

Mediafire's my shit, though. They allowed simultaneous downloading, so ALWAYS use that shit. Here's hoping they stop at MU. lol

MU offered this too with premium accounts and for free if one downloaded their "Media Manager."

Reply #53 posted 01/20/12 2:53am

TheDigitalGardener

Let's not forget, it's not only "bootleggers" who will lose out by MU (and possibly others) closing. A lot of people also use file sharing sites to move and share legitimate files, documents etc. These sites are not used exclusively by people moving around unofficial media.

Reply #54 posted 01/20/12 3:26am

PANDURITO

TheDigitalGardener said:

Let's not forget, it's not only "bootleggers" who will lose out by MU (and possibly others) closing. A lot of people also use file sharing sites to move and share legitimate files, documents etc. These sites are not used exclusively by people moving around unofficial media.

So now those people will have to use legit ways like emailing files directly to the recipient ? pout

Reply #55 posted 01/20/12 4:19am

TheDigitalGardener

PANDURITO said:

TheDigitalGardener said:

Let's not forget, it's not only "bootleggers" who will lose out by MU (and possibly others) closing. A lot of people also use file sharing sites to move and share legitimate files, documents etc. These sites are not used exclusively by people moving around unofficial media.

So now those people will have to use legit ways like emailing files directly to the recipient ? pout

Begs the question as to why they used MU for things like that in the first place. Pdf's and shit. Yeah. lol I don't know too much about that, I have only ever used it for down and uploading music/video.

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Reply #56 posted 01/20/12 4:32am

unique

PANDURITO said:

TheDigitalGardener said:

Let's not forget, it's not only "bootleggers" who will lose out by MU (and possibly others) closing. A lot of people also use file sharing sites to move and share legitimate files, documents etc. These sites are not used exclusively by people moving around unofficial media.

So now those people will have to use legit ways like emailing files directly to the recipient ? pout

you mean legit people with legit files?

if all the file transfer sites closed then i think people would go back to doing what they did before and using personal webspace, ftp, direct p2p from messenger programs, not email due to mailbox limitations unless files were small

Reply #57 posted 01/20/12 4:38am

vc40

^ and how about snail mail?

Damn, I really miss those days. cool

Busy doin' something close to nothing
Reply #58 posted 01/20/12 4:44am

TheDigitalGardener

vc40 said:

^ and how about snail mail?

Damn, I really miss those days. cool

It could be quite exciting, because the anticipation built up as you were waiting on your letterbox to rattle. lol

Reply #59 posted 01/20/12 5:41am

unique

vc40 said:

^ and how about snail mail?

Damn, I really miss those days. cool

ah, packets of unsolicited bootlegs from ireland razz

Reply #60 posted 01/20/12 8:36am

2020

...WORD

Art Official Age: The Movie
Reply #61 posted 01/20/12 10:20am

djThunderfunk

jon1967 said:

cry where to even look

Search Engine - Definition: A search engine is a web site that collects and organizes content from all over the internet. Those wishing to locate something would enter a query about what they'd like to find and the engine provides links to content that matches what they want.

wink

FUNK 'EM JUST TO SEE THE LOOK ON THEIR FACE!
Reply #62 posted 01/20/12 4:06pm

alexnvrmnd777

TheDigitalGardener said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

Mediafire's my shit, though. They allowed simultaneous downloading, so ALWAYS use that shit. Here's hoping they stop at MU. lol

MU offered this too with premium accounts and for free if one downloaded their "Media Manager."

Well, I knew MU offered it but not for free like MF does. I wasn't aware of their Media Manager piece, though. It actually allowed multiple/simultaneous downloads without having to be a premium member?

Reply #63 posted 01/20/12 4:15pm

TheDigitalGardener

alexnvrmnd777 said:

TheDigitalGardener said:

MU offered this too with premium accounts and for free if one downloaded their "Media Manager."

Well, I knew MU offered it but not for free like MF does. I wasn't aware of their Media Manager piece, though. It actually allowed multiple/simultaneous downloads without having to be a premium member?

Yes. You could download (for free) the mega manager and use it without having a premium account. You had to sign up though, which was free. You could only use MU links on it as well.

Reply #64 posted 01/21/12 4:58am

BartVanHemelen

Jatrig said:

The one argument I can see is w/ his outtakes and demos (my favorite gems). He views these probably as little baby's, or seeds, that grow and mature and need "marinating" before they are ready for release.

Dude pimps out his "children" in ads.

I can see him drawing upon his vault for ideas for new, combined, songs. Example: using the guitar riff from unreleased Rave in his song "The Max." He may, fairly, not want people knowing there was an entire song that's behind one bass-line or guitar riff

Come on! May I introduce you to http://www.princevault.co...Generation ? That maxi-single basically showed his MO for all to see: spend a couple of days in the studio and rehash the same ideas and elements into "different" sounds. Which then of course continued into http://www.princevault.co...:_Gett_Off .

And before that we already had http://www.princevault.co...p/Batdance .

© Bart Van Hemelen
This posting is provided AS IS with no warranties, and confers no rights.
It is not authorized by Prince or the NPG Music Club. You assume all risk for
your use. All rights reserved.
Reply #65 posted 01/21/12 9:13am

alexnvrmnd777

TheDigitalGardener said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

Well, I knew MU offered it but not for free like MF does. I wasn't aware of their Media Manager piece, though. It actually allowed multiple/simultaneous downloads without having to be a premium member?

Yes. You could download (for free) the mega manager and use it without having a premium account. You had to sign up though, which was free. You could only use MU links on it as well.

Damn. Too little, too late for me, huh?! lol

Reply #66 posted 01/22/12 3:10pm

muse87

RIP Filesonic

Reply #67 posted 01/22/12 3:50pm

mplsmike

http://uploaded.to/

Uploaded.to, one of the most popular file-hosting sites in the Internet, has closed its doors to US visitors.

The move is most likely a response to the FBI crackdown on MegaUpload two days ago.

US visitors of Uploaded.to currently get the following message.

“Not Available: Our service is currently unavailable in your country. Sorry about that.”

The site has yet to release an official statement on the “block.” Whether it’s permanent, and the alleged relation to the MegaUpload raids and arrests is unknown at this point.

Uploaded.to’s decision is just one of the many changes the major cyberlockers have made during the past days. More on that later.

Love Life,
Love God,
And Only Do Drugs You Need
smoker

... wave
Reply #68 posted 01/22/12 3:58pm

mplsmike

muse87 said:

RIP Filesonic

Filesonic Kills File-Shar...ad Arrests

Filesonic, one of the Internet’s leading cyberlocker services, has taken some drastic measures following the Megaupload shutdown and arrests last week. In addition to discontinuing its affiliates rewards program and not yet paying accrued money to members, the site has disabled all sharing functionality, leaving users only with access to their own files

http://torrentfreak.com/f...ts-120122/

Love Life,
Love God,
And Only Do Drugs You Need
smoker

... wave
Reply #69 posted 01/22/12 7:30pm

Aristotle

And we're just getting started...

MegaUpload is dead.

Filesonic killed their file-sharing services.

Fileserve removed it's affiliate program.

VideoBB closed it's affiliate program.

Filepost started suspending accounts with infringing material.

Uploaded.to not available in U.S. anymore.

Videozer removed their affiliate/'make money' page.


© prince
Reply #70 posted 01/23/12 12:12am

lillypeoples

So I just bought Crystal Ball on eBay. It says bootleg. Don't know anything except the The first cd is AMAZING. So you are all telling me there is more like this out there somewhere? And free? I don't get it. I don't know how or where or what to do. As the same as many of you I'd pay for it. Seems like I've just crossed the line from fan to FAN. Can someone please school me ... where to start learning? I get that you can't tell me exactly but where to begin? I am lost in Princeland and obsessed. Anyone been there?
Reply #71 posted 01/23/12 7:06am

TheDigitalGardener

lillypeoples said:

So I just bought Crystal Ball on eBay. It says bootleg. Don't know anything except the The first cd is AMAZING. So you are all telling me there is more like this out there somewhere? And free? I don't get it. I don't know how or where or what to do. As the same as many of you I'd pay for it. Seems like I've just crossed the line from fan to FAN. Can someone please school me ... where to start learning? I get that you can't tell me exactly but where to begin? I am lost in Princeland and obsessed. Anyone been there?

Assuming you are talking about Crystal Ball the 3 disc set, it's an official release not a bootleg. "Bootleg" is printed on the discs possibly as a play on Frank Zappa's "Beat The Boots" releases as much of the material on CB was previously available as bootleg material. Essentially Prince's play on a bootleg.

More info on the album here http://www.princevault.co...ystal_Ball

As for schooling you on where and how to obtain bootlegs, i'm afraid such info is not allowed to be shared in open forum.

To give you an idea on bootleg titles, tracklists etc, this is a valuable source http://main.thedigitalgarden.org/ though this does not list every bootleg available it's a good start and is updated often, but there are literally hundreds of titles out there.

However, the digitalgarden site does not and cannot supply bootlegs or the information regarding where to obatin them, it's for information purposes only.

Regarding Prince bootlegs, there are two types, free releases and pressed boots. Free releases are just that, download only and given to fans for zero money. Pressed boots are physical cd's that are sold to you and include printed artwork.

Free releases also contain full artwork as part of the download and as such you are free to burn the download to a cd-r and print the art yourself if you are so inclined, or you can just keep the download on your computer and put it on your ipod or whatever.

There are some greedy people who download free releases and burn them to cd-r's, print the artwork and then selll the cd-r's for a profit, this is bad practice so beware.

There is usually no difference in sound quality between a free release or a pressed cd, the only difference will be the content and the source of that content, ie some free releases will have different music than a pressed release and vice versa.

Choosing between free and pressed releases is entirely up to yourself of course. Just also take into account that most if not all pressed releases end up somewhere on the internet for you to download for free anyway, and a lot of free releases end up on pressed releases too.

There is of course also the bootleg dvd's, but that's another matter, however, again there are free versions of those and ones you can buy physical copies of.

My advice? Learn how to download, get yourself a free media player online, and dive in, there are hundreds of amazing quality concerts and outtakes out there.

And that's all I have time for right now.

Good luck.

[Edited 1/23/12 7:28am]

[Edited 1/23/12 8:00am]

Reply #72 posted 01/23/12 10:52am

JediMaster

The free bootlegs definitely HELP Prince's legacy. They maintain fan interest during the times when no new material is coming out, and they help show off his ability as a live musician/studio wizard to newbies. In fact, I'll go so far as to say that I think P should EMBRACE the free booters and partner with them to distribute some of his music. At this point, it would only help to maintain his career as a live musician.

jedi

Do not hurry yourself in your spirit to become offended, for the taking of offense is what rests in the bosom of the stupid ones. (Ecclesiastes 7:9)
Reply #73 posted 01/23/12 11:53pm

lillypeoples

TheDigitalGardener said:

 



lillypeoples said:


So I just bought Crystal Ball on eBay. It says bootleg. Don't know anything except the The first cd is AMAZING. So you are all telling me there is more like this out there somewhere? And free? I don't get it. I don't know how or where or what to do. As the same as many of you I'd pay for it. Seems like I've just crossed the line from fan to FAN. Can someone please school me ... where to start learning? I get that you can't tell me exactly but where to begin? I am lost in Princeland and obsessed. Anyone been there?

 


Assuming you are talking about Crystal Ball the 3 disc set, it's an official release not a bootleg. "Bootleg" is printed on the discs possibly as a play on Frank Zappa's "Beat The Boots" releases as much of the material on CB was previously available as bootleg material. Essentially Prince's play on a bootleg.


 


More info on the album here http://www.princevault.com/index.php/Album:_Crystal_Ball


 


As for schooling you on where and how to obtain bootlegs, i'm afraid such info is not allowed to be shared in open forum.


 


To give you an idea on bootleg titles, tracklists etc, this is a valuable source http://main.thedigitalgarden.org/ though this does not list every bootleg available it's a good start and is updated often, but there are literally hundreds of titles out there.


However, the digitalgarden site does not and cannot supply bootlegs or the information regarding where to obatin them, it's for information purposes only.


 


Regarding Prince bootlegs, there are two types, free releases and pressed boots. Free releases are just that, download only and given to fans for zero money. Pressed boots are physical cd's that are sold to you and include printed artwork.


Free releases also contain full artwork as part of the download and as such you are free to burn the download to a cd-r and print the art yourself if you are so inclined, or you can just keep the download on your computer and put it on your ipod or whatever.


There are some greedy people who download free releases and burn them to cd-r's, print the artwork and then selll the cd-r's for a profit, this is bad practice so beware.


There is usually no difference in sound quality between a free release or a pressed cd, the only difference will be the content and the source of that content, ie some free releases will have different music than a pressed release and vice versa.


Choosing between free and pressed releases is entirely up to yourself of course. Just also take into account that most if not all pressed releases end up somewhere on the internet for you to download for free anyway, and a lot of free releases end up on pressed releases too.


There is of course also the bootleg dvd's, but that's another matter, however, again there are free versions of those and ones you can buy physical copies of.


 


My advice? Learn how to download, get yourself a free media player online, and dive in, there are hundreds of amazing quality concerts and outtakes out there.


And that's all I have time for right now.


Good luck.


 


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[Edited 1/23/12 8:00am]




    Wow. Thank u so much.It was very kind of u to take the time to reply in such detail. Looks like I won't be sleeping for days...so much to learn...awesome
    Reply #74 posted 01/24/12 12:51am

    artist76

    I'm generally adverse to bootlegs - ideally, artists would be compensated for every recording of their work that's consumed.

    BUT, as to whether the bootlegs help or harm P's legacy, I'd have to say they are HELPING his legacy. There's so much unofficial stuff that's better than some of the released stuff. It seems that Prince's relative lack of concern for sales and charts, and/or it's his self-indulgence lead him to make puzzling choices about which songs to release and which to "discard." Another thread brought up Michael Koppelman's podcasts - in those podcasts he says that he heard LOTS of amazing stuff that he thought was way better than what actually ended up on the records. And I don't think he's the only one who's said something to that effect. There are live versions that are either just as good but so deliciously different, or actually better than, the studio recordings. Then there are totally unreleased songs. And incredible live performances that for other artists would surely be an official DVD. Koppelman also mentions that nothing is a musical "mistake" for Prince, he explores "wrong" notes and leaves in irregularities, which reminds me of Eric Leeds saying that P comes from an improvisational musical tradition. That's why even rehearsals and jams can be worth hearing/seeing! It shows him to be a real musician where each performance is unique or created on the fly. Those are interesting and rich to listen to and compare w/ each other. So different from the usual pop artist whose performances and renditions are quite uniform, and often sterile.

    Reply #75 posted 01/24/12 7:07am

    purplethunder3121

    More download sites choosing to shut down. Better get 'em while you can. neutral

    Hyperactive when I was small
    Hyperactive now I'm grown
    Hyperactive 'till I'm dead and gone...
    Reply #76 posted 01/24/12 7:37pm

    JediMaster

    artist76 said:

    I'm generally adverse to bootlegs - ideally, artists would be compensated for every recording of their work that's consumed.

    BUT, as to whether the bootlegs help or harm P's legacy, I'd have to say they are HELPING his legacy. There's so much unofficial stuff that's better than some of the released stuff. It seems that Prince's relative lack of concern for sales and charts, and/or it's his self-indulgence lead him to make puzzling choices about which songs to release and which to "discard." Another thread brought up Michael Koppelman's podcasts - in those podcasts he says that he heard LOTS of amazing stuff that he thought was way better than what actually ended up on the records. And I don't think he's the only one who's said something to that effect. There are live versions that are either just as good but so deliciously different, or actually better than, the studio recordings. Then there are totally unreleased songs. And incredible live performances that for other artists would surely be an official DVD. Koppelman also mentions that nothing is a musical "mistake" for Prince, he explores "wrong" notes and leaves in irregularities, which reminds me of Eric Leeds saying that P comes from an improvisational musical tradition. That's why even rehearsals and jams can be worth hearing/seeing! It shows him to be a real musician where each performance is unique or created on the fly. Those are interesting and rich to listen to and compare w/ each other. So different from the usual pop artist whose performances and renditions are quite uniform, and often sterile.

    Agree completely!

    jedi

    Do not hurry yourself in your spirit to become offended, for the taking of offense is what rests in the bosom of the stupid ones. (Ecclesiastes 7:9)
    Reply #77 posted 01/25/12 8:45am

    djThunderfunk

    artist76 said:

    I'm generally adverse to bootlegs - ideally, artists would be compensated for every recording of their work that's consumed.

    BUT, as to whether the bootlegs help or harm P's legacy, I'd have to say they are HELPING his legacy. There's so much unofficial stuff that's better than some of the released stuff. It seems that Prince's relative lack of concern for sales and charts, and/or it's his self-indulgence lead him to make puzzling choices about which songs to release and which to "discard." Another thread brought up Michael Koppelman's podcasts - in those podcasts he says that he heard LOTS of amazing stuff that he thought was way better than what actually ended up on the records. And I don't think he's the only one who's said something to that effect. There are live versions that are either just as good but so deliciously different, or actually better than, the studio recordings. Then there are totally unreleased songs. And incredible live performances that for other artists would surely be an official DVD. Koppelman also mentions that nothing is a musical "mistake" for Prince, he explores "wrong" notes and leaves in irregularities, which reminds me of Eric Leeds saying that P comes from an improvisational musical tradition. That's why even rehearsals and jams can be worth hearing/seeing! It shows him to be a real musician where each performance is unique or created on the fly. Those are interesting and rich to listen to and compare w/ each other. So different from the usual pop artist whose performances and renditions are quite uniform, and often sterile.

    I wasn't aware that Michael Koppelman had a podcast, so, thanks for that info. Would you mind pointing me to which episodes he discusses Prince? Thanks!

    FUNK 'EM JUST TO SEE THE LOOK ON THEIR FACE!
    Reply #78 posted 01/25/12 6:05pm

    artist76

    djThunderfunk said:

    artist76 said:

    I'm generally adverse to bootlegs - ideally, artists would be compensated for every recording of their work that's consumed.

    BUT, as to whether the bootlegs help or harm P's legacy, I'd have to say they are HELPING his legacy. There's so much unofficial stuff that's better than some of the released stuff. It seems that Prince's relative lack of concern for sales and charts, and/or it's his self-indulgence lead him to make puzzling choices about which songs to release and which to "discard." Another thread brought up Michael Koppelman's podcasts - in those podcasts he says that he heard LOTS of amazing stuff that he thought was way better than what actually ended up on the records. And I don't think he's the only one who's said something to that effect. There are live versions that are either just as good but so deliciously different, or actually better than, the studio recordings. Then there are totally unreleased songs. And incredible live performances that for other artists would surely be an official DVD. Koppelman also mentions that nothing is a musical "mistake" for Prince, he explores "wrong" notes and leaves in irregularities, which reminds me of Eric Leeds saying that P comes from an improvisational musical tradition. That's why even rehearsals and jams can be worth hearing/seeing! It shows him to be a real musician where each performance is unique or created on the fly. Those are interesting and rich to listen to and compare w/ each other. So different from the usual pop artist whose performances and renditions are quite uniform, and often sterile.

    I wasn't aware that Michael Koppelman had a podcast, so, thanks for that info. Would you mind pointing me to which episodes he discusses Prince? Thanks!

    They used to be on his site/blog, not any more. But they're on itunes - search podcasts for "the lolife" or "Michael Koppelman." They were #9 & 10 on his site, but now in itunes I think they're 70 & 71. They're free. Based on some of his other podcasts, I think he's a bit arrogant/egotistical too - precisely what he accuses Prince of being, but still some good insights on P in the studio.

    Reply #79 posted 01/25/12 6:34pm

    djThunderfunk

    artist76 said:

    djThunderfunk said:

    I wasn't aware that Michael Koppelman had a podcast, so, thanks for that info. Would you mind pointing me to which episodes he discusses Prince? Thanks!

    They used to be on his site/blog, not any more. But they're on itunes - search podcasts for "the lolife" or "Michael Koppelman." They were #9 & 10 on his site, but now in itunes I think they're 70 & 71. They're free. Based on some of his other podcasts, I think he's a bit arrogant/egotistical too - precisely what he accuses Prince of being, but still some good insights on P in the studio.

    Thank you!! Downloading now...

    FUNK 'EM JUST TO SEE THE LOOK ON THEIR FACE!
    Reply #80 posted 01/25/12 6:50pm

    funkyrake

    http://www.pastemagazine....under.html

    Prince Won't Record New Music Until Internet Piracy Under Control

    A couple of Prince quotes:

    "I’m supposed to go to the White House to talk about copyright protection."

    Well, did he go to the White House?

    "The industry changed,” he said. “We made money [online] before piracy was real crazy. Nobody’s making money now except phone companies, Apple and Google."

    Andy Allos itunes, for example.

    The Leaf Shall Inherit The Earth.
    Reply #81 posted 01/26/12 9:45am

    Tremolina

    The main arguement against bootlegs will centre around lost earnings for the artist and of course the moral case of plain and simple theft regardless of whether it's free or not.

    If the DL's are free and P seemingly couldn't care less about his legacy does the availability of free DL's really do any harm?

    Legally speaking, there is no question about it that bootlegs are illegal and that it doesn't really matter whether they would cause a loss in earnings, or not.

    Factually speaking tho', bootlegs cannot really cause any "losses" because bootlegs are recordings that are not officially sold and released. When you are not selling it yourself, you can't claim any "loss in potential earnings".

    This is different when it concerns the "piracy" of offically released material. And it could be different also, if the intention of Prince would be to one day release "the bootlegs" himself. But as far as I'm aware that is not the case, altho' the release of some former bootlegs like 'In a Large Room with no Light' and 'Extraloveable' may point in that direction. But then again these songs were not released in their original 'bootleg form'.

    It could be argued, that since bootlegs are an important part of the 'Prince fan experience', they help cement the interest of his hardcore fanbase, which is good for his potential CD and concert earnings, as well as free mouth to mouth publicity. Basically therefore a blessing in disguise. But the hardcore base is only part of his entire public and its sales potentials should not be overestimated.

    Also, if and when bootlegs are officially released the fact that most hardcore fans have them already, may in fact harm the amount of potential sales. Then again, many fans swear they would buy the unofficially released material in a heartbeat if it were officially released by Prince in its original form. Can't really prove it unless you have tried it. Crystal Ball made him a fortune some say, but others say not. So who really knows?

    Ultimately, it's not just about sales and profits, but also and for Prince perhabs mostly about the fact that "the bootlegs" are Prince's (and sometimes also others) personal creative work and exclusive "intellectual property". Only they should have the right to release them to the public or not.

    [Edited 1/26/12 14:11pm]

    Reply #82 posted 01/26/12 5:05pm

    dandeeland

    The bootlegs are what actually drew me into Prince. Prince should embrace the bootleg market like many other artists who have big die hard fanbases and capitalize on it. As money hungry as he is nowadays it seems like he would. His thinking on this is backwards. Then again, he really is not one to give his fans what they enjoy. He seems to like to run everyone away and test them to see how long he can go before he has none.

    Reply #83 posted 02/01/12 2:36am

    funkyhead

    Aristotle said:

    And we're just getting started...

    MegaUpload is dead.

    Filesonic killed their file-sharing services.

    Fileserve removed it's affiliate program.

    VideoBB closed it's affiliate program.

    Filepost started suspending accounts with infringing material.

    Uploaded.to not available in U.S. anymore.

    Videozer removed their affiliate/'make money' page.


    wow, I really do have mixed feelings on this. In the case of P's unreleased free bootlegs then it is not an issue for me. However for a new artist that has a new album out that is made for free the I really do have big issues. Where do we draw the line on these sites?. Surely the answer is in the motive i.e. people , by and large, want stuff cheaper and quicker? - so is it about time record companies / movie studios dropped their prices for DL's. I just picked up some great albums via I-Tunes on the under £5.00 section.

    Reply #84 posted 02/01/12 11:01pm

    thedance

    alexnvrmnd777 said:

    vc40 said:

    It's the ONLY reason I'm still interested in Prince and why I'm still buying his cd's and concerttickets.

    Co-sign. It is literally the ONLY reason why I still have an interest in him.

    ^

    I would love if I could tell the same.

    However I don't even like the Prince boots anymore. And the recent official music is a bit boring too after few listenings...

    I guess I am living on a Prince dream - from the past.

    I luv the music/ albums 1978 to 1995, I like (but don't "luv") some of it post 1995.

    Speaking about Prince - nothing beats the rude years, those albums 1980 to 1988.

    It's great to be nostalgic, my love for the old Prince music, the old official albums.. is why I am still here.

    I am listening to the Box O' Chocolates bootleg once in a while, really amazing.

    Otherwise even the boots are boring to me... especially the live stuff.

    Let 2014 be purple:

    I can't wait for the remaster! heart
    Reply #85 posted 02/02/12 4:25pm

    Elle85n09

    The downloads help, and yes, I would purchase them from him should he ever decide to release them officially (providing he doesn't change the content). I wouldn't even mind paying more, if the only way to own an officially released boot was to purchase an altered version that may suit his current beliefs/lifestyle. Sort of like a "Prince: Then and Now" concept.

    I'm not holding my breath. bored

    [Edited 2/2/12 16:26pm]

    [Edited 2/2/12 16:28pm]

    Reply #86 posted 02/03/12 10:28pm

    udo

    They are stealing even more, just as the paid bootlegs.

    They take away a certain chance for Prince to profit off of his works, just as the paid bootlegs do.

    .
    Reply #87 posted 02/04/12 1:32am

    ludwig

    udo said:

    They are stealing even more, just as the paid bootlegs.

    They take away a certain chance for Prince to profit off of his works, just as the paid bootlegs do.

    I don't think so. I buy every official release at least twice (one to use and one sealed for the collection). So whatever prince releases, he get's my money. And I think I can speak for the majority of his fans (at least here on the org).

    Reply #88 posted 02/04/12 2:00am

    udo

    ludwig said:

    udo said:

    They are stealing even more, just as the paid bootlegs.

    They take away a certain chance for Prince to profit off of his works, just as the paid bootlegs do.

    I don't think so.

    You buy stuff.

    Other people take the cheap bootleg and that's it.

    I did not say all downloaders don't buy shit.

    I did say that the free download spoils the market for Prince just as paid bootlegs do.

    .
    Reply #89 posted 02/04/12 2:26am

    Tremolina

    udo said:

    ludwig said:

    I don't think so.

    You buy stuff.

    Other people take the cheap bootleg and that's it.

    I did not say all downloaders don't buy shit.

    I did say that the free download spoils the market for Prince just as paid bootlegs do.

    But Prince doesn't release the bootlegs himself

    Reply #90 posted 02/04/12 2:55am

    udo

    Tremolina said:

    udo said:

    You buy stuff.

    Other people take the cheap bootleg and that's it.

    I did not say all downloaders don't buy shit.

    I did say that the free download spoils the market for Prince just as paid bootlegs do.

    But Prince doesn't release the bootlegs himself

    So?

    He might do one day because his 'genius' runs out or for any other reason.

    And he needs cash to sustain his lifestyle, his women, his park, etc.

    And then people that do have the boots (paid or free) might decide not to buy his stuff because they already have it.

    Yes, you might buy until you are broke.

    Others won't.

    .
    Reply #91 posted 02/04/12 3:30am

    ludwig

    udo said:

    Tremolina said:

    But Prince doesn't release the bootlegs himself

    So?

    He might do one day because his 'genius' runs out or for any other reason.

    And he needs cash to sustain his lifestyle, his women, his park, etc.

    And then people that do have the boots (paid or free) might decide not to buy his stuff because they already have it.

    Yes, you might buy until you are broke.

    Others won't.

    Bootlegs are only interesting for hardcore fans who want everything. That's a relatively small group.

    You can't make a fortune with outtake-releases or live-material, unless it's interesting for the casual fan. So a remastered Purple Rain album would sell well, and a DVD of that tour and maybe a DVD of a more recent "greatest hits"-tour as well, but everything else wouldn't be that succesful imho.

    [Edited 2/4/12 3:32am]

    Reply #92 posted 02/04/12 3:33am

    Tremolina

    udo said:

    Tremolina said:

    But Prince doesn't release the bootlegs himself

    So?

    He might do one day

    Exactly. He might. Or he might not.

    Facts is, a few exceptions provided, he doesn't. And from the exceptions that he did release, he made money. So where is his "loss"?

    Reply #93 posted 02/04/12 5:10am

    udo

    Tremolina said:

    udo said:

    So?

    He might do one day

    Exactly. He might. Or he might not.

    Facts is, a few exceptions provided, he doesn't. And from the exceptions that he did release, he made money. So where is his "loss"?

    Duh. That is the grey area that the whole music industry has been hunting for since KaZaa became the norm.

    If I can freely download music, does a downloaded tune equal a lost sale?

    Most certainly not.

    But what is the fraction that would be a lost sale?

    Exactly that depends on the type of fan.

    Of course you will buy everything.

    But someone else thinks of other stuff first.

    .
    Reply #94 posted 02/04/12 5:32am

    Tremolina

    udo said:

    Tremolina said:

    Exactly. He might. Or he might not.

    Facts is, a few exceptions provided, he doesn't. And from the exceptions that he did release, he made money. So where is his "loss"?

    Duh. That is the grey area that the whole music industry has been hunting for since KaZaa became the norm.

    No it isn't. There is a huge difference between offcially sold and released music and unofficially released music not being sold. If you sell it yourself, it's obvious free downloads can cut into your market. But if you don't sell it yourself, there is nothing to cut in. It's only if and when Prince would actually seriously want to release the bootlegs himself one day, that bootlegs could "potentially" impact that future market. But he isn't or is he?

    Ultimately all this doesn't matter, because bootlegs are simply illegal. Whether they are freely downloaded and negatively affect his sales or not.

    [Edited 2/4/12 5:34am]

    Reply #95 posted 02/04/12 7:50am

    udo

    Tremolina said:

    udo said:

    Duh. That is the grey area that the whole music industry has been hunting for since KaZaa became the norm.

    No it isn't. There is a huge difference between offcially sold and released music and unofficially released music not being sold. If you sell it yourself, it's obvious free downloads can cut into your market. But if you don't sell it yourself, there is nothing to cut in.

    Now what type of argument is that?

    Whether P sells it directly to us or not does not matter.

    It will cut into his profit margin directly or indirectly.

    It's only if and when Prince would actually seriously want to release the bootlegs himself one day, that bootlegs could "potentially" impact that future market.

    Isn't that the same as I wrote above?

    But he isn't or is he?

    You never know.

    Ultimately all this doesn't matter, because bootlegs are simply illegal. Whether they are freely downloaded and negatively affect his sales or not.

    I don't think the illegal thing does matter here.

    It's about a market's thirst. Legal status doesn't matter and you even touched on the ethics which make the illegality point even more moot.

    .
    Reply #96 posted 02/04/12 9:06am

    djThunderfunk

    udo said:

    Tremolina said:

    Exactly. He might. Or he might not.

    Facts is, a few exceptions provided, he doesn't. And from the exceptions that he did release, he made money. So where is his "loss"?

    Duh. That is the grey area that the whole music industry has been hunting for since KaZaa became the norm.

    If I can freely download music, does a downloaded tune equal a lost sale?

    Most certainly not.

    But what is the fraction that would be a lost sale?

    Exactly that depends on the type of fan.

    Of course you will buy everything.

    But someone else thinks of other stuff first.

    And what is the fraction that becomes hooked on Prince because of the bootlegs and then buys official releases because they are a new fan?

    Find me a fan who only collects free bootlegs and doesn't buy the official stuff. If you find any, you certainly won't find many.

    It's a fact that those that collect Prince bootlegs are almost always the same fans that buy everything Prince releases.

    The ONLY harm is Prince loses CONTROL of what we, the fans, get to hear. I, and many others, are fine with that.

    FUNK 'EM JUST TO SEE THE LOOK ON THEIR FACE!
    Reply #97 posted 02/04/12 10:46am

    udo

    djThunderfunk said:

    udo said:

    Duh. That is the grey area that the whole music industry has been hunting for since KaZaa became the norm.

    If I can freely download music, does a downloaded tune equal a lost sale?

    Most certainly not.

    But what is the fraction that would be a lost sale?

    Exactly that depends on the type of fan.

    Of course you will buy everything.

    But someone else thinks of other stuff first.

    And what is the fraction that becomes hooked on Prince because of the bootlegs and then buys official releases because they are a new fan?

    I guess mr P ignores those people.

    The ONLY harm is Prince loses CONTROL of what we, the fans, get to hear. I, and many others, are fine with that.

    I do think Mr P isn't fine with that.

    .
    Reply #98 posted 02/04/12 12:44pm

    djThunderfunk

    Considering that for many of us, it is the same obsession which compels us to listen to bootlegs that compels us to purchase every release, Mr. P should be VERY fine with it.

    FUNK 'EM JUST TO SEE THE LOOK ON THEIR FACE!
    Reply #99 posted 02/05/12 12:22am

    udo

    djThunderfunk said:

    Considering that for many of us, it is the same obsession which compels us to listen to bootlegs that compels us to purchase every release, Mr. P should be VERY fine with it.

    Either you imply his core market is just the hardcore Prince fan, or you forget that the Prince-world is bigger than the freaks that line up hours before a show.

    .
    Reply #100 posted 02/05/12 7:22am

    Tremolina

    udo said:

    Tremolina said:

    You never know.

    Ultimately all this doesn't matter, because bootlegs are simply illegal. Whether they are freely downloaded and negatively affect his sales or not.

    I don't think the illegal thing does matter here.

    It's about a market's thirst. Legal status doesn't matter and you even touched on the ethics which make the illegality point even more moot.

    Of course legal status matters. One other thing you are forgetting is that Prince isn't selling anyhting (or hardly)

    Reply #101 posted 02/05/12 7:43am

    udo

    Tremolina said:

    Of course legal status matters. One other thing you are forgetting is that Prince isn't selling anyhting (or hardly)

    So he might turn to releasing some old live stuff to easily pocket some money...

    (no, I am not holding my breath over this)

    .
    Reply #102 posted 02/05/12 8:27am

    djThunderfunk

    udo said:

    djThunderfunk said:

    Considering that for many of us, it is the same obsession which compels us to listen to bootlegs that compels us to purchase every release, Mr. P should be VERY fine with it.

    Either you imply his core market is just the hardcore Prince fan, or you forget that the Prince-world is bigger than the freaks that line up hours before a show.

    No, but, if you take the hardcore fans (the ones who buy everything) out of the loop, where would Prince be now.

    Without us, how would Crystal Ball have worked out? In fact, how would the entire last 15 years worked out? Prince's career would be in a very different place without the hardcore fans. I know many casual fans that think that all he's done in that time are the Superbowl & the Rock N Roll Hall Of Fame. Most haven't heard Musicology or 3121 let alone Rainbow Children or One Nite Alone, etc...

    FUNK 'EM JUST TO SEE THE LOOK ON THEIR FACE!
    Reply #103 posted 02/05/12 9:35pm

    udo

    djThunderfunk said:

    udo said:

    Either you imply his core market is just the hardcore Prince fan, or you forget that the Prince-world is bigger than the freaks that line up hours before a show.

    No, but, if you take the hardcore fans (the ones who buy everything) out of the loop, where would Prince be now.

    Just like now: playing the hits.

    Without us, how would Crystal Ball have worked out?

    Don't get me started on that fiasco.
    The casing, the sales, it was all a mess!

    In fact, how would the entire last 15 years worked out? Prince's career would be in a very different place without the hardcore fans.

    Normal fans would have run away after a website fiasco like one of the few that mr P produced.

    I know many casual fans that think that all he's done in that time are the Superbowl & the Rock N Roll Hall Of Fame. Most haven't heard Musicology or 3121 let alone Rainbow Children or One Nite Alone, etc...

    That shows his lack of marketing.
    The general public doesn't know him anymore.
    And if they remember him it is just for the old stuff. And that has become quite irritating by now.
    He can do better.
    .
    Reply #104 posted 02/06/12 7:41am

    djThunderfunk

    Now we are pretty much in agreement... biggrin

    I'm just saying:

    IMO the boots have helped him, regardless of the fact that he doesn't like them or those of us who trade & listen to them. He should embrace them... and us! wink

    FUNK 'EM JUST TO SEE THE LOOK ON THEIR FACE!
    Reply #105 posted 02/07/12 11:46am

    nakiaas

    There is so much of Prince's work that is nearly impossiable to get. I would pay for it. But Finding it leagelly is the challenge.

    Reply #106 posted 02/09/12 9:23am

    Praxis

    Stealing from Prince without his permission: is it the right of entrepreneurs?

    lol

    eminem created hip hop & robin thicke founded soul music #facts
    Reply #107 posted 02/09/12 9:42am

    djThunderfunk

    Praxis said:

    Stealing from Prince without his permission: is it the right of entrepreneurs?

    lol

    Entrepreneurs operate businesses for profit. This thread is about FREE bootlegs. It says so right in the title.

    FUNK 'EM JUST TO SEE THE LOOK ON THEIR FACE!
    Reply #108 posted 02/09/12 4:51pm

    XNY

    PANDURITO said:

    I will agree when I meet someone who ONLY downloads not legally obtainable stuff neutral

    ...Me. For one I have no idea how to download any files on the various websites out there(I know...Duhh!). Unfortuneately that means I have to buy copies of these from a vendor (sucks, but he keeps me informed of what's out there, gives me a good deal, and weeds out the crap). I'm sure I'm in the minority or maybe the only one who does this, but I still continue to buy P's official releases via cd, dvd, or iTunes.

    Even if I could get a free DL of a new release, I'd still buy it from P himself. He deserves a lot more than what I've paid for his music over the years. Just estimating, but from all the cd's, dvd's, tapes, vinyl, singles, concerts...etc, I've bought...Prince (or his various record co's) has received less than a third of what I've paid for his music. That was unheard of 25 yrs ago. I don't know how any artist can survive today without pimping themselves out to tv ads and the like, if we all download their official releases.

    "Dance is the hidden language of the soul and body...The body says what words cannot" - Martha Graham smile
    Reply #109 posted 02/09/12 8:26pm

    djThunderfunk

    XNY said:

    PANDURITO said:

    I will agree when I meet someone who ONLY downloads not legally obtainable stuff neutral

    ...Me. For one I have no idea how to download any files on the various websites out there(I know...Duhh!). Unfortuneately that means I have to buy copies of these from a vendor (sucks, but he keeps me informed of what's out there, gives me a good deal, and weeds out the crap). I'm sure I'm in the minority or maybe the only one who does this, but I still continue to buy P's official releases via cd, dvd, or iTunes.

    Even if I could get a free DL of a new release, I'd still buy it from P himself. He deserves a lot more than what I've paid for his music over the years. Just estimating, but from all the cd's, dvd's, tapes, vinyl, singles, concerts...etc, I've bought...Prince (or his various record co's) has received less than a third of what I've paid for his music. That was unheard of 25 yrs ago. I don't know how any artist can survive today without pimping themselves out to tv ads and the like, if we all download their official releases.

    Most of us who download Prince's bootlegs for free have and will contue to buy his official releases. Downloading free boots has, for some of us, kept us interested enough to keep the obession going.

    FUNK 'EM JUST TO SEE THE LOOK ON THEIR FACE!
    Reply #110 posted 02/10/12 11:45am

    Praxis

    i have no opinion of this. i am not Prince and I am not those who make money off of his music illegally.

    but i see it in different ways...2 many 2 list at once. but ...

    - should the rule of law be respect? if not, should bootleggers become a lobby force in governments around the world demanding that artists allow every1 to sell their music - perhaps on negotiated terms?

    smoker

    -

    eminem created hip hop & robin thicke founded soul music #facts
    Reply #111 posted 02/11/12 10:51am

    luvsexy4all

    im sure he gets a kick out of all the controversy

    Reply #112 posted 02/12/12 9:22am

    udo

    djThunderfunk said:

    Now we are pretty much in agreement... biggrin

    I'm just saying:

    IMO the boots have helped him, regardless of the fact that he doesn't like them or those of us who trade & listen to them. He should embrace them... and us! wink

    I do think the sheeple are bigger in numbers and they are the ones that dig the hits over and over and over and again.

    The front area on the floor is only so big but that is where the freaks are.

    Are you seriously implying that these people, small in number, keep him afloat?

    .
    Reply #113 posted 02/12/12 9:43am

    djThunderfunk

    udo said:

    djThunderfunk said:

    Now we are pretty much in agreement... biggrin

    I'm just saying:

    IMO the boots have helped him, regardless of the fact that he doesn't like them or those of us who trade & listen to them. He should embrace them... and us! wink

    I do think the sheeple are bigger in numbers and they are the ones that dig the hits over and over and over and again.

    The front area on the floor is only so big but that is where the freaks are.

    Are you seriously implying that these people, small in number, keep him afloat?

    I've been a fan since '82, seen him live 8 times, and NEVER had seats that good. The front area on the floor is for the freaks with lots of money. There are plenty of freaks on a budget spread out across the arena.

    I am seriously implying that those of us that buy every release are the same people that keep him afloat when the mainstream ignores him. And, very often, we're also the ones that collect bootlegs.

    If I could ignore temptation to download for free a bootleg that other fans are raving about, I would be able to ignore the impulse to buy releases like the Dance 4 Me single even though I don't like any of the mixes other than the album version. As it stands, I bought that single for the collection because I buy every release. There's no way I'm passing up the newest boot and ignoring all the praise. Can't do it...

    FUNK 'EM JUST TO SEE THE LOOK ON THEIR FACE!
    Reply #114 posted 02/12/12 10:31am

    Praxis

    djThunderfunk said:

    Praxis said:

    Stealing from Prince without his permission: is it the right of entrepreneurs?

    lol

    Entrepreneurs operate businesses for profit. This thread is about FREE bootlegs. It says so right in the title.

    free for the entrepreneur who makes money off of something he did not create. in an independent artist's case, like Prince...who pays the bills for his own releases, free has awkward meaning. In other words, Prince "run Paisley Park, but allow us to have and sell your music, without your permission, as we wish"

    ?

    eminem created hip hop & robin thicke founded soul music #facts
    Reply #115 posted 02/12/12 11:41am

    djThunderfunk

    Praxis said:

    djThunderfunk said:

    Entrepreneurs operate businesses for profit. This thread is about FREE bootlegs. It says so right in the title.

    free for the entrepreneur who makes money off of something he did not create. in an independent artist's case, like Prince...who pays the bills for his own releases, free has awkward meaning. In other words, Prince "run Paisley Park, but allow us to have and sell your music, without your permission, as we wish"

    ?

    You're talking about boots that are printed, sold, purchased.

    I'm talking about boots put together by fans, uploaded, downloaded by fans. No selling.

    Related but different topics. No?

    FUNK 'EM JUST TO SEE THE LOOK ON THEIR FACE!
    Reply #116 posted 03/03/12 11:09am

    luvsexy4all

    bootleggers = devil gives u what u want ....He gives u what u need

    URL: http://prince.org/msg/7/374483

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