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jon1967 said:

where to even look

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TheDigitalGardener said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

Mediafire's my shit, though. They allowed simultaneous downloading, so ALWAYS use that shit. Here's hoping they stop at MU.

MU offered this too with premium accounts and for free if one downloaded their "Media Manager."

Well, I knew MU offered it but not for free like MF does. I wasn't aware of their Media Manager piece, though. It actually allowed multiple/simultaneous downloads without having to be a premium member?

alexnvrmnd777 said:

TheDigitalGardener said:

MU offered this too with premium accounts and for free if one downloaded their "Media Manager."

Well, I knew MU offered it but not for free like MF does. I wasn't aware of their Media Manager piece, though. It actually allowed multiple/simultaneous downloads without having to be a premium member?

Yes. You could download (for free) the mega manager and use it without having a premium account. You had to sign up though, which was free. You could only use MU links on it as well.

Jatrig said:

The one argument I can see is w/ his outtakes and demos (my favorite gems). He views these probably as little baby's, or seeds, that grow and mature and need "marinating" before they are ready for release.

Dude pimps out his "children" in ads.

I can see him drawing upon his vault for ideas for new, combined, songs. Example: using the guitar riff from unreleased Rave in his song "The Max." He may, fairly, not want people knowing there was an entire song that's behind one bass-line or guitar riff

Come on! May I introduce you to http://www.princevault.co...Generation ? That maxi-single basically showed his MO for all to see: spend a couple of days in the studio and rehash the same ideas and elements into "different" sounds. Which then of course continued into http://www.princevault.co...:_Gett_Off .

And before that we already had http://www.princevault.co...p/Batdance .

TheDigitalGardener said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

Well, I knew MU offered it but not for free like MF does. I wasn't aware of their Media Manager piece, though. It actually allowed multiple/simultaneous downloads without having to be a premium member?

Yes. You could download (for free) the mega manager and use it without having a premium account. You had to sign up though, which was free. You could only use MU links on it as well.

Damn. Too little, too late for me, huh?!

RIP Filesonic

http://uploaded.to/

Uploaded.to, one of the most popular file-hosting sites in the Internet, has closed its doors to US visitors.

The move is most likely a response to the FBI crackdown on MegaUpload two days ago.

US visitors of Uploaded.to currently get the following message.

“Not Available: Our service is currently unavailable in your country. Sorry about that.”

The site has yet to release an official statement on the “block.” Whether it’s permanent, and the alleged relation to the MegaUpload raids and arrests is unknown at this point.

Uploaded.to’s decision is just one of the many changes the major cyberlockers have made during the past days. More on that later.

muse87 said:

RIP Filesonic

Filesonic Kills File-Shar...ad Arrests

Filesonic, one of the Internet’s leading cyberlocker services, has taken some drastic measures following the Megaupload shutdown and arrests last week. In addition to discontinuing its affiliates rewards program and not yet paying accrued money to members, the site has disabled all sharing functionality, leaving users only with access to their own files

http://torrentfreak.com/f...ts-120122/

And we're just getting started...

MegaUpload is dead.

Filesonic killed their file-sharing services.

Fileserve removed it's affiliate program.

VideoBB closed it's affiliate program.

Filepost started suspending accounts with infringing material.

Uploaded.to not available in U.S. anymore.

Videozer removed their affiliate/'make money' page.

lillypeoples said:

So I just bought Crystal Ball on eBay. It says bootleg. Don't know anything except the The first cd is AMAZING. So you are all telling me there is more like this out there somewhere? And free? I don't get it. I don't know how or where or what to do. As the same as many of you I'd pay for it. Seems like I've just crossed the line from fan to FAN. Can someone please school me ... where to start learning? I get that you can't tell me exactly but where to begin? I am lost in Princeland and obsessed. Anyone been there?

Assuming you are talking about Crystal Ball the 3 disc set, it's an official release not a bootleg. "Bootleg" is printed on the discs possibly as a play on Frank Zappa's "Beat The Boots" releases as much of the material on CB was previously available as bootleg material. Essentially Prince's play on a bootleg.

More info on the album here http://www.princevault.co...ystal_Ball

As for schooling you on where and how to obtain bootlegs, i'm afraid such info is not allowed to be shared in open forum.

To give you an idea on bootleg titles, tracklists etc, this is a valuable source http://main.thedigitalgarden.org/ though this does not list every bootleg available it's a good start and is updated often, but there are literally hundreds of titles out there.

However, the digitalgarden site does not and cannot supply bootlegs or the information regarding where to obatin them, it's for information purposes only.

Regarding Prince bootlegs, there are two types, free releases and pressed boots. Free releases are just that, download only and given to fans for zero money. Pressed boots are physical cd's that are sold to you and include printed artwork.

Free releases also contain full artwork as part of the download and as such you are free to burn the download to a cd-r and print the art yourself if you are so inclined, or you can just keep the download on your computer and put it on your ipod or whatever.

There are some greedy people who download free releases and burn them to cd-r's, print the artwork and then selll the cd-r's for a profit, this is bad practice so beware.

There is usually no difference in sound quality between a free release or a pressed cd, the only difference will be the content and the source of that content, ie some free releases will have different music than a pressed release and vice versa.

Choosing between free and pressed releases is entirely up to yourself of course. Just also take into account that most if not all pressed releases end up somewhere on the internet for you to download for free anyway, and a lot of free releases end up on pressed releases too.

There is of course also the bootleg dvd's, but that's another matter, however, again there are free versions of those and ones you can buy physical copies of.

My advice? Learn how to download, get yourself a free media player online, and dive in, there are hundreds of amazing quality concerts and outtakes out there.

And that's all I have time for right now.

Good luck.

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The free bootlegs definitely HELP Prince's legacy. They maintain fan interest during the times when no new material is coming out, and they help show off his ability as a live musician/studio wizard to newbies. In fact, I'll go so far as to say that I think P should EMBRACE the free booters and partner with them to distribute some of his music. At this point, it would only help to maintain his career as a live musician.

TheDigitalGardener said:

I'm generally adverse to bootlegs - ideally, artists would be compensated for every recording of their work that's consumed.

BUT, as to whether the bootlegs help or harm P's legacy, I'd have to say they are HELPING his legacy. There's so much unofficial stuff that's better than some of the released stuff. It seems that Prince's relative lack of concern for sales and charts, and/or it's his self-indulgence lead him to make puzzling choices about which songs to release and which to "discard." Another thread brought up Michael Koppelman's podcasts - in those podcasts he says that he heard LOTS of amazing stuff that he thought was way better than what actually ended up on the records. And I don't think he's the only one who's said something to that effect. There are live versions that are either just as good but so deliciously different, or actually better than, the studio recordings. Then there are totally unreleased songs. And incredible live performances that for other artists would surely be an official DVD. Koppelman also mentions that nothing is a musical "mistake" for Prince, he explores "wrong" notes and leaves in irregularities, which reminds me of Eric Leeds saying that P comes from an improvisational musical tradition. That's why even rehearsals and jams can be worth hearing/seeing! It shows him to be a real musician where each performance is unique or created on the fly. Those are interesting and rich to listen to and compare w/ each other. So different from the usual pop artist whose performances and renditions are quite uniform, and often sterile.

More download sites choosing to shut down. Better get 'em while you can.

artist76 said:

I'm generally adverse to bootlegs - ideally, artists would be compensated for every recording of their work that's consumed.

BUT, as to whether the bootlegs help or harm P's legacy, I'd have to say they are HELPING his legacy. There's so much unofficial stuff that's better than some of the released stuff. It seems that Prince's relative lack of concern for sales and charts, and/or it's his self-indulgence lead him to make puzzling choices about which songs to release and which to "discard." Another thread brought up Michael Koppelman's podcasts - in those podcasts he says that he heard LOTS of amazing stuff that he thought was way better than what actually ended up on the records. And I don't think he's the only one who's said something to that effect. There are live versions that are either just as good but so deliciously different, or actually better than, the studio recordings. Then there are totally unreleased songs. And incredible live performances that for other artists would surely be an official DVD. Koppelman also mentions that nothing is a musical "mistake" for Prince, he explores "wrong" notes and leaves in irregularities, which reminds me of Eric Leeds saying that P comes from an improvisational musical tradition. That's why even rehearsals and jams can be worth hearing/seeing! It shows him to be a real musician where each performance is unique or created on the fly. Those are interesting and rich to listen to and compare w/ each other. So different from the usual pop artist whose performances and renditions are quite uniform, and often sterile.

Agree completely!

artist76 said:

I'm generally adverse to bootlegs - ideally, artists would be compensated for every recording of their work that's consumed.

BUT, as to whether the bootlegs help or harm P's legacy, I'd have to say they are HELPING his legacy. There's so much unofficial stuff that's better than some of the released stuff. It seems that Prince's relative lack of concern for sales and charts, and/or it's his self-indulgence lead him to make puzzling choices about which songs to release and which to "discard." Another thread brought up Michael Koppelman's podcasts - in those podcasts he says that he heard LOTS of amazing stuff that he thought was way better than what actually ended up on the records. And I don't think he's the only one who's said something to that effect. There are live versions that are either just as good but so deliciously different, or actually better than, the studio recordings. Then there are totally unreleased songs. And incredible live performances that for other artists would surely be an official DVD. Koppelman also mentions that nothing is a musical "mistake" for Prince, he explores "wrong" notes and leaves in irregularities, which reminds me of Eric Leeds saying that P comes from an improvisational musical tradition. That's why even rehearsals and jams can be worth hearing/seeing! It shows him to be a real musician where each performance is unique or created on the fly. Those are interesting and rich to listen to and compare w/ each other. So different from the usual pop artist whose performances and renditions are quite uniform, and often sterile.

I wasn't aware that Michael Koppelman had a podcast, so, thanks for that info. Would you mind pointing me to which episodes he discusses Prince? Thanks!

djThunderfunk said:

artist76 said:

I'm generally adverse to bootlegs - ideally, artists would be compensated for every recording of their work that's consumed.

BUT, as to whether the bootlegs help or harm P's legacy, I'd have to say they are HELPING his legacy. There's so much unofficial stuff that's better than some of the released stuff. It seems that Prince's relative lack of concern for sales and charts, and/or it's his self-indulgence lead him to make puzzling choices about which songs to release and which to "discard." Another thread brought up Michael Koppelman's podcasts - in those podcasts he says that he heard LOTS of amazing stuff that he thought was way better than what actually ended up on the records. And I don't think he's the only one who's said something to that effect. There are live versions that are either just as good but so deliciously different, or actually better than, the studio recordings. Then there are totally unreleased songs. And incredible live performances that for other artists would surely be an official DVD. Koppelman also mentions that nothing is a musical "mistake" for Prince, he explores "wrong" notes and leaves in irregularities, which reminds me of Eric Leeds saying that P comes from an improvisational musical tradition. That's why even rehearsals and jams can be worth hearing/seeing! It shows him to be a real musician where each performance is unique or created on the fly. Those are interesting and rich to listen to and compare w/ each other. So different from the usual pop artist whose performances and renditions are quite uniform, and often sterile.

I wasn't aware that Michael Koppelman had a podcast, so, thanks for that info. Would you mind pointing me to which episodes he discusses Prince? Thanks!

They used to be on his site/blog, not any more. But they're on itunes - search podcasts for "the lolife" or "Michael Koppelman." They were #9 & 10 on his site, but now in itunes I think they're 70 & 71. They're free. Based on some of his other podcasts, I think he's a bit arrogant/egotistical too - precisely what he accuses Prince of being, but still some good insights on P in the studio.

artist76 said:

djThunderfunk said:

I wasn't aware that Michael Koppelman had a podcast, so, thanks for that info. Would you mind pointing me to which episodes he discusses Prince? Thanks!

They used to be on his site/blog, not any more. But they're on itunes - search podcasts for "the lolife" or "Michael Koppelman." They were #9 & 10 on his site, but now in itunes I think they're 70 & 71. They're free. Based on some of his other podcasts, I think he's a bit arrogant/egotistical too - precisely what he accuses Prince of being, but still some good insights on P in the studio.

Thank you!! Downloading now...

http://www.pastemagazine....under.html

Prince Won't Record New Music Until Internet Piracy Under Control

A couple of Prince quotes:

"I’m supposed to go to the White House to talk about copyright protection."

Well, did he go to the White House?

"The industry changed,” he said. “We made money [online] before piracy was real crazy. Nobody’s making money now except phone companies, Apple and Google."

Andy Allos itunes, for example.

The main arguement against bootlegs will centre around lost earnings for the artist and of course the moral case of plain and simple theft regardless of whether it's free or not.

If the DL's are free and P seemingly couldn't care less about his legacy does the availability of free DL's really do any harm?

Legally speaking, there is no question about it that bootlegs are illegal and that it doesn't really matter whether they would cause a loss in earnings, or not.

Factually speaking tho', bootlegs cannot really cause any "losses" because bootlegs are recordings that are not officially sold and released. When you are not selling it yourself, you can't claim any "loss in potential earnings".

This is different when it concerns the "piracy" of offically released material. And it could be different also, if the intention of Prince would be to one day release "the bootlegs" himself. But as far as I'm aware that is not the case, altho' the release of some former bootlegs like 'In a Large Room with no Light' and 'Extraloveable' may point in that direction. But then again these songs were not released in their original 'bootleg form'.

It could be argued, that since bootlegs are an important part of the 'Prince fan experience', they help cement the interest of his hardcore fanbase, which is good for his potential CD and concert earnings, as well as free mouth to mouth publicity. Basically therefore a blessing in disguise. But the hardcore base is only part of his entire public and its sales potentials should not be overestimated.

Also, if and when bootlegs are officially released the fact that most hardcore fans have them already, may in fact harm the amount of potential sales. Then again, many fans swear they would buy the unofficially released material in a heartbeat if it were officially released by Prince in its original form. Can't really prove it unless you have tried it. Crystal Ball made him a fortune some say, but others say not. So who really knows?

Ultimately, it's not just about sales and profits, but also and for Prince perhabs mostly about the fact that "the bootlegs" are Prince's (and sometimes also others) personal creative work and exclusive "intellectual property". Only they should have the right to release them to the public or not.

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The bootlegs are what actually drew me into Prince. Prince should embrace the bootleg market like many other artists who have big die hard fanbases and capitalize on it. As money hungry as he is nowadays it seems like he would. His thinking on this is backwards. Then again, he really is not one to give his fans what they enjoy. He seems to like to run everyone away and test them to see how long he can go before he has none.

Aristotle said:

And we're just getting started...

MegaUpload is dead.

Filesonic killed their file-sharing services.

Fileserve removed it's affiliate program.

VideoBB closed it's affiliate program.

Filepost started suspending accounts with infringing material.

Uploaded.to not available in U.S. anymore.

Videozer removed their affiliate/'make money' page.

wow, I really do have mixed feelings on this. In the case of P's unreleased free bootlegs then it is not an issue for me. However for a new artist that has a new album out that is made for free the I really do have big issues. Where do we draw the line on these sites?. Surely the answer is in the motive i.e. people , by and large, want stuff cheaper and quicker? - so is it about time record companies / movie studios dropped their prices for DL's. I just picked up some great albums via I-Tunes on the under £5.00 section.

alexnvrmnd777 said:

vc40 said:

It's the ONLY reason I'm still interested in Prince and why I'm still buying his cd's and concerttickets.

Co-sign. It is literally the ONLY reason why I still have an interest in him.

^

I would love if I could tell the same.

However I don't even like the Prince boots anymore. And the recent official music is a bit boring too after few listenings...

I guess I am living on a Prince dream - from the past.

I luv the music/ albums 1978 to 1995, I like (but don't "luv") some of it post 1995.

Speaking about Prince - nothing beats the rude years, those albums 1980 to 1988.

It's great to be nostalgic, my love for the old Prince music, the old official albums.. is why I am still here.

I am listening to the Box O' Chocolates bootleg once in a while, really amazing.

Otherwise even the boots are boring to me... especially the live stuff.

The downloads help, and yes, I would purchase them from him should he ever decide to release them officially (providing he doesn't change the content). I wouldn't even mind paying more, if the only way to own an officially released boot was to purchase an altered version that may suit his current beliefs/lifestyle. Sort of like a "Prince: Then and Now" concept.

I'm not holding my breath.

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They are stealing even more, just as the paid bootlegs.

They take away a certain chance for Prince to profit off of his works, just as the paid bootlegs do.

udo said:

They are stealing even more, just as the paid bootlegs.

They take away a certain chance for Prince to profit off of his works, just as the paid bootlegs do.

I don't think so. I buy every official release at least twice (one to use and one sealed for the collection). So whatever prince releases, he get's my money. And I think I can speak for the majority of his fans (at least here on the org).

ludwig said:

udo said:

They are stealing even more, just as the paid bootlegs.

They take away a certain chance for Prince to profit off of his works, just as the paid bootlegs do.

I don't think so.

You buy stuff.

Other people take the cheap bootleg and that's it.

I did not say all downloaders don't buy shit.

I did say that the free download spoils the market for Prince just as paid bootlegs do.

udo said:

ludwig said:

I don't think so.

You buy stuff.

Other people take the cheap bootleg and that's it.

I did not say all downloaders don't buy shit.

I did say that the free download spoils the market for Prince just as paid bootlegs do.

But Prince doesn't release the bootlegs himself