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Thread started 08/22/11 6:58am

asg

prince originally wrote purple rain for stevie nicks

http://www.startribune.co...=2&c=y

This summer, Stevie Nicks was invited to sing on TV's "America's Got Talent" and "The Voice." This month, she joined Jeff Bridges and John Fogerty at a benefit for wounded soldiers in Sturgis, S.D. In May, her Fleetwood Mac songs were featured on a "Glee" episode.

Why is the witchy woman so suddenly in demand?

It probably has a lot to do with "In Your Dreams," her first solo album in 10 years and her best since 1981's "Bella Donna."

"I have to tip my top hat to Dave Stewart" of Eurythmics, she said, who produced the album. "I think the seven songs that he and I wrote together mixed in with the five songs that I wrote by myself made for a much more interesting and diversified record," said Nicks, who performs Wednesday at Mystic Lake Casino amphitheater.

As a musician, Nicks, 63, knows she's limited. She didn't expect to be writing with Stewart but she sent him 40 pages of poetry. He came to her house and said, "Let's do this one."

Recalled Nicks: "In my head, I'm like, 'You don't think we're really going to sit in this room and write a song together, 'cause I don't do that.' But he was so kind and so sweet and no ego, and we just started playing, and in 15 minutes we finished 'You May Be the One.'

"Suddenly, I had an epiphany. Wow! That worked. And this is a really great song with no grief. I don't feel punished or like something was taken away from me. I don't miss spending two months sitting at my piano in tears."

One of her own songs on "In Your Dreams" actually dates back to Fleetwood Mac's "Rumours" days in the mid-1970s. She knew she had "Secret Love" on a cassette somewhere but couldn't find it. Then her assistant discovered it on YouTube. It turns out that Nicks had actually recorded it for "Bella Donna" but never released it. Keyboardist Benmont Tench, the musical director for that album, was the only person to remember it.

"Ben told me that the other day," Nicks said. "Now my whole story about having no idea [what happened to the song] has gone to hell in a handbag. I remember we recorded a lot of songs for 'Bella Donna'; I just did not remember that."

Another new song has an old connection. "Moonlight (A Vampire's Dream)" was inspired by Nicks seeing the movie "Twilight Saga: New Moon" in 2009. When she went to make a video of it this year, she grabbed a dress out of her closet that she'd worn to the 1984 premiere of Prince's "Purple Rain" in Hollywood.

"My friend's daughter is playing violin on that [video] and I pulled that dress out for her to wear. It's been hanging in my closet. It's like a year younger than the girl who wears it in the video."

Purple connection

Back in the early 1980s, Nicks and Prince were friends and musical collaborators. One day when she was driving in Los Angeles, she started humming along to his "Little Red Corvette" on the radio and pulled over to write down words she was composing. When she went to record the song a few hours later, she called Prince.

"Don't even ask me how I found his number but I did. I told him: 'I'm recording this song and I wrote it to "Little Red Corvette" and I'm giving you 50 percent of it and I want to know if you'd like to come play on it on one of the next three nights.' He was there in an hour, and he was there for about an hour and a half. And we became friends."

That song, "Stand Back," became a big hit in 1983. She asked Prince if they could someday write a song together. So he sent her a cassette of a long instrumental track and invited her to pen lyrics.

"It was so overwhelming, that 10-minute track, that I listened to it and I just got scared," Nicks remembered. "I called him back and said, 'I can't do it. I wish I could. It's too much for me.' I'm so glad that I didn't, because he wrote it, and it became 'Purple Rain.'"

Buckingham Nicks redux

Nicks is better known for her relationship with Lindsey Buckingham, her musical and romantic partner in the duo Buckingham Nicks since their college days at San Jose State. They joined Fleetwood Mac in late 1974 but split up romantically a couple years later. Of course, they've continued to work together on-and-off in that Rock Hall of Fame band. He joined her for one tune on the new album, "Soldier's Angel."

"It was as close to the Buckingham Nicks years as we have been since Buckingham Nicks," Nicks said. "For Lindsey and I, that opened up the possibility of a new chapter. We certainly can still do it. And we did it well and it wasn't a lot of work. Lindsey and I are very happy with each other right now."

Would they do a duo tour?

"It's an absolute possibility. A lot of wounds were healed with 'Soldier's Angel.' It's about the war and these injured kids. It was a very kind of spiritual and holy thing."

What's the status of Fleetwood Mac?


[Edited 8/22/11 7:15am]

Reply #1 posted 08/22/11 1:07pm

SoulAlive

interesting story

Reply #2 posted 08/22/11 2:07pm

2020

shocked What????!!!???

I never knew this...

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Reply #3 posted 08/22/11 3:57pm

Nick715

I never knew that either. Wow. I love how the sound of "Stand Back" was influenced by "Little Red Corvette".

Reply #4 posted 08/22/11 4:03pm

Efan

Another purple connection in that story...

Nicks is working "In Your Dreams" with the help of her longtime keyboardist, Ricky Peterson of the Twin Cities. ("Ricky's really special," she says. "He's a lot of fun and he's very, very sweet and caring and he's an amazing player like Christine McVie or Benmont Tench.") She's playing six or seven numbers from the new album as well as Fleetwood Mac and solo favorites.

Ricky is St. Paul Peterson's brother.

Reply #5 posted 08/22/11 4:14pm

UncleGrandpa

You learn something new everyday, what this revelation brings up is what would have happened had she actually accepted it? A very interesting tale indeed, Mr. Nelson had his hands in more careers than we probably know.

Connie Springer
Reply #6 posted 08/22/11 4:17pm

Timmy84

Interesting.

Reply #7 posted 08/22/11 4:19pm

MyJobIz2beCute

UncleGrandpa said:

You learn something new everyday, what this revelation brings up is what would have happened had she actually accepted it? A very interesting tale indeed, Mr. Nelson had his hands in more careers than we probably know.

(cue in the Disneyland themesong, in 4,3,2,1..)

-It IS a small world, afterall. nod

lol

wink

Reply #8 posted 08/22/11 5:11pm

KCOOLMUZIQ

asg said:

http://www.startribune.co...=2&c=y

This summer, Stevie Nicks was invited to sing on TV's "America's Got Talent" and "The Voice." This month, she joined Jeff Bridges and John Fogerty at a benefit for wounded soldiers in Sturgis, S.D. In May, her Fleetwood Mac songs were featured on a "Glee" episode.

Why is the witchy woman so suddenly in demand?

It probably has a lot to do with "In Your Dreams," her first solo album in 10 years and her best since 1981's "Bella Donna."

"I have to tip my top hat to Dave Stewart" of Eurythmics, she said, who produced the album. "I think the seven songs that he and I wrote together mixed in with the five songs that I wrote by myself made for a much more interesting and diversified record," said Nicks, who performs Wednesday at Mystic Lake Casino amphitheater.

As a musician, Nicks, 63, knows she's limited. She didn't expect to be writing with Stewart but she sent him 40 pages of poetry. He came to her house and said, "Let's do this one."

Recalled Nicks: "In my head, I'm like, 'You don't think we're really going to sit in this room and write a song together, 'cause I don't do that.' But he was so kind and so sweet and no ego, and we just started playing, and in 15 minutes we finished 'You May Be the One.'

"Suddenly, I had an epiphany. Wow! That worked. And this is a really great song with no grief. I don't feel punished or like something was taken away from me. I don't miss spending two months sitting at my piano in tears."

One of her own songs on "In Your Dreams" actually dates back to Fleetwood Mac's "Rumours" days in the mid-1970s. She knew she had "Secret Love" on a cassette somewhere but couldn't find it. Then her assistant discovered it on YouTube. It turns out that Nicks had actually recorded it for "Bella Donna" but never released it. Keyboardist Benmont Tench, the musical director for that album, was the only person to remember it.

"Ben told me that the other day," Nicks said. "Now my whole story about having no idea [what happened to the song] has gone to hell in a handbag. I remember we recorded a lot of songs for 'Bella Donna'; I just did not remember that."

Another new song has an old connection. "Moonlight (A Vampire's Dream)" was inspired by Nicks seeing the movie "Twilight Saga: New Moon" in 2009. When she went to make a video of it this year, she grabbed a dress out of her closet that she'd worn to the 1984 premiere of Prince's "Purple Rain" in Hollywood.

"My friend's daughter is playing violin on that [video] and I pulled that dress out for her to wear. It's been hanging in my closet. It's like a year younger than the girl who wears it in the video."

Purple connection

Back in the early 1980s, Nicks and Prince were friends and musical collaborators. One day when she was driving in Los Angeles, she started humming along to his "Little Red Corvette" on the radio and pulled over to write down words she was composing. When she went to record the song a few hours later, she called Prince.

"Don't even ask me how I found his number but I did. I told him: 'I'm recording this song and I wrote it to "Little Red Corvette" and I'm giving you 50 percent of it and I want to know if you'd like to come play on it on one of the next three nights.' He was there in an hour, and he was there for about an hour and a half. And we became friends."

That song, "Stand Back," became a big hit in 1983. She asked Prince if they could someday write a song together. So he sent her a cassette of a long instrumental track and invited her to pen lyrics.

"It was so overwhelming, that 10-minute track, that I listened to it and I just got scared," Nicks remembered. "I called him back and said, 'I can't do it. I wish I could. It's too much for me.' I'm so glad that I didn't, because he wrote it, and it became 'Purple Rain.'"

Buckingham Nicks redux

Nicks is better known for her relationship with Lindsey Buckingham, her musical and romantic partner in the duo Buckingham Nicks since their college days at San Jose State. They joined Fleetwood Mac in late 1974 but split up romantically a couple years later. Of course, they've continued to work together on-and-off in that Rock Hall of Fame band. He joined her for one tune on the new album, "Soldier's Angel."

"It was as close to the Buckingham Nicks years as we have been since Buckingham Nicks," Nicks said. "For Lindsey and I, that opened up the possibility of a new chapter. We certainly can still do it. And we did it well and it wasn't a lot of work. Lindsey and I are very happy with each other right now."

Would they do a duo tour?

"It's an absolute possibility. A lot of wounds were healed with 'Soldier's Angel.' It's about the war and these injured kids. It was a very kind of spiritual and holy thing."

What's the status of Fleetwood Mac?


[Edited 8/22/11 7:15am]

So this puts to rest, the over 25 year claim that Wendy & Lisa help write that song. Finally this discredits that The Revolution is responsible for Prince's crossover success & therefore wouldn't have been a superstar.......Thx Stevie.....Ok Wendy & Lisa groupies!

princes like a "ACT OF GOD" N another realm.Of all people who might b aliens,angels.if found out prince wasn't of this earth, eye would not b surprised, prince is looking 4 like-minded individuals 'Y should eye do this becuz every1 is doing it?'"
Reply #9 posted 08/22/11 5:19pm

ufoclub

Did people think Wendy and Lisa helped write the song because of the script of the movie?

Funny version of "An American Werewolf in London" I made in middle school: https://vimeo.com/103559282

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Reply #10 posted 08/22/11 5:21pm

Timmy84

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

asg said:

http://www.startribune.co...=2&c=y

This summer, Stevie Nicks was invited to sing on TV's "America's Got Talent" and "The Voice." This month, she joined Jeff Bridges and John Fogerty at a benefit for wounded soldiers in Sturgis, S.D. In May, her Fleetwood Mac songs were featured on a "Glee" episode.

Why is the witchy woman so suddenly in demand?

It probably has a lot to do with "In Your Dreams," her first solo album in 10 years and her best since 1981's "Bella Donna."

"I have to tip my top hat to Dave Stewart" of Eurythmics, she said, who produced the album. "I think the seven songs that he and I wrote together mixed in with the five songs that I wrote by myself made for a much more interesting and diversified record," said Nicks, who performs Wednesday at Mystic Lake Casino amphitheater.

As a musician, Nicks, 63, knows she's limited. She didn't expect to be writing with Stewart but she sent him 40 pages of poetry. He came to her house and said, "Let's do this one."

Recalled Nicks: "In my head, I'm like, 'You don't think we're really going to sit in this room and write a song together, 'cause I don't do that.' But he was so kind and so sweet and no ego, and we just started playing, and in 15 minutes we finished 'You May Be the One.'

"Suddenly, I had an epiphany. Wow! That worked. And this is a really great song with no grief. I don't feel punished or like something was taken away from me. I don't miss spending two months sitting at my piano in tears."

One of her own songs on "In Your Dreams" actually dates back to Fleetwood Mac's "Rumours" days in the mid-1970s. She knew she had "Secret Love" on a cassette somewhere but couldn't find it. Then her assistant discovered it on YouTube. It turns out that Nicks had actually recorded it for "Bella Donna" but never released it. Keyboardist Benmont Tench, the musical director for that album, was the only person to remember it.

"Ben told me that the other day," Nicks said. "Now my whole story about having no idea [what happened to the song] has gone to hell in a handbag. I remember we recorded a lot of songs for 'Bella Donna'; I just did not remember that."

Another new song has an old connection. "Moonlight (A Vampire's Dream)" was inspired by Nicks seeing the movie "Twilight Saga: New Moon" in 2009. When she went to make a video of it this year, she grabbed a dress out of her closet that she'd worn to the 1984 premiere of Prince's "Purple Rain" in Hollywood.

"My friend's daughter is playing violin on that [video] and I pulled that dress out for her to wear. It's been hanging in my closet. It's like a year younger than the girl who wears it in the video."

Purple connection

Back in the early 1980s, Nicks and Prince were friends and musical collaborators. One day when she was driving in Los Angeles, she started humming along to his "Little Red Corvette" on the radio and pulled over to write down words she was composing. When she went to record the song a few hours later, she called Prince.

"Don't even ask me how I found his number but I did. I told him: 'I'm recording this song and I wrote it to "Little Red Corvette" and I'm giving you 50 percent of it and I want to know if you'd like to come play on it on one of the next three nights.' He was there in an hour, and he was there for about an hour and a half. And we became friends."

That song, "Stand Back," became a big hit in 1983. She asked Prince if they could someday write a song together. So he sent her a cassette of a long instrumental track and invited her to pen lyrics.

"It was so overwhelming, that 10-minute track, that I listened to it and I just got scared," Nicks remembered. "I called him back and said, 'I can't do it. I wish I could. It's too much for me.' I'm so glad that I didn't, because he wrote it, and it became 'Purple Rain.'"

Buckingham Nicks redux

Nicks is better known for her relationship with Lindsey Buckingham, her musical and romantic partner in the duo Buckingham Nicks since their college days at San Jose State. They joined Fleetwood Mac in late 1974 but split up romantically a couple years later. Of course, they've continued to work together on-and-off in that Rock Hall of Fame band. He joined her for one tune on the new album, "Soldier's Angel."

"It was as close to the Buckingham Nicks years as we have been since Buckingham Nicks," Nicks said. "For Lindsey and I, that opened up the possibility of a new chapter. We certainly can still do it. And we did it well and it wasn't a lot of work. Lindsey and I are very happy with each other right now."

Would they do a duo tour?

"It's an absolute possibility. A lot of wounds were healed with 'Soldier's Angel.' It's about the war and these injured kids. It was a very kind of spiritual and holy thing."

What's the status of Fleetwood Mac?


[Edited 8/22/11 7:15am]

So this puts to rest, the over 25 year claim that Wendy & Lisa help write that song. Finally this discredits that The Revolution is responsible for Prince's crossover success & therefore wouldn't have been a superstar.......Thx Stevie.....Ok Wendy & Lisa groupies!

Hold up, hold up. Someone was saying Wendy & Lisa co-wrote it?! HUH!?

Reply #11 posted 08/22/11 5:32pm

MickyDolenz

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

So this puts to rest, the over 25 year claim that Wendy & Lisa help write that song.

I don't know who wrote what. But Stevie just says Prince gave her a tape with an instrumental. That doesn't prove anything either way. She doesn't say the music was written solo or in a collaboration and Stevie wouldn't know unless she was told.

It's called show business for a reason. It’s 90% business and 10% show. If you don’t know your business…you’re in trouble! ~ Johnnie Taylor / Basically, music is nothing but prostitution anyway and managers are the pimps ~ Millie Jackson
Reply #12 posted 08/22/11 5:32pm

FunkiestOne

MyJobIz2beCute said:

-Looking through my PR notes,

-I see here that Prince wrote like 100 songs or so for that movie's album.

-WB, rejected many good songs for it.

-I sometimes wonder also about the name of that movie, wasn't it suppose to be called:

-"The Dreams"?

No just "Dreams" if I remember correctly

http://books.google.com/b...mp;f=false

Reply #13 posted 08/23/11 8:32pm

errant

Efan said:

Another purple connection in that story...

Nicks is working "In Your Dreams" with the help of her longtime keyboardist, Ricky Peterson of the Twin Cities. ("Ricky's really special," she says. "He's a lot of fun and he's very, very sweet and caring and he's an amazing player like Christine McVie or Benmont Tench.") She's playing six or seven numbers from the new album as well as Fleetwood Mac and solo favorites.

Ricky is St. Paul Peterson's brother.

and practically the producer of the Gold Experience.

"does my cock look fat in these jeans?"
Reply #14 posted 08/23/11 9:07pm

V10LETBLUES

errant said:

Efan said:

Another purple connection in that story...

Ricky is St. Paul Peterson's brother.

and practically the producer of the Gold Experience.

Now I know who to blame. I hate that album with a passion only eclipsed by TRC

[Edited 8/23/11 21:07pm]

innocent
Reply #15 posted 08/23/11 10:24pm

PippiL

V10LETBLUES said:

errant said:

and practically the producer of the Gold Experience.

Now I know who to blame. I hate that album with a passion only eclipsed by TRC

[Edited 8/23/11 21:07pm]

...Whoa, seriously? eek

The Gold Experience?!! That's one of the most epic things Prince has ever done.

*clutches the pearls*

Reply #16 posted 08/24/11 7:30pm

CherrieMoonKisses

That is a seriously piece of awesome info...I'm happy Prince wrote Purple Rain though!
peace & wildsign
Reply #17 posted 08/24/11 7:39pm

DreZone

PippiL said:

V10LETBLUES said:

Now I know who to blame. I hate that album with a passion only eclipsed by TRC

[Edited 8/23/11 21:07pm]

...Whoa, seriously? eek

The Gold Experience?!! That's one of the most epic things Prince has ever done.

*clutches the pearls*

You gotta be Joking! Epicl Fail more like... hyped TGE about it never being released, with that much hype, it better be a banger of an album..

So he gives us the Beautiful Experience feature-length video which includes "Days Of Wild" and "acknowledge Me" - arguably the most powerful tracks from that feature - only for it to NOT be released on TGE - what a gyp, had to wait for his greatest misses (and to some, greatest fail) "Crystal Ball" for anything to surface....

Then we get a cut down version of "Billy Jack Bitch" and a track which was recorded for "showgirls" and probably one of his lamest album closures, which I felt considering the album was called "The Gold Experience", a closing song with the lyrics "All that glitters ain't Gold" may as well be saying the whole thing was an overhyped anti-climax!

However "Shhh" and "I Hate U" could be it's saving Grace....

but for me... this album is merely a contribution to the integration of "Come" and "Exodus", the former being the FAR superior and the most underrated...

Finally as for TRC, isn't that one big musical proverbial JW door-to-door watchtower pitch/appraisal, appealing primarily to Prince puritans and musicians as opposed to the general consumer (I think it's fantastic personally - thought for accessibility in the noughties, Musicology hands down!)

That's my story and I'm sticking to it...

Sorry for the off-tangent twocents , we were talking about Stevie Nicks or something.....?

'dre

Purple Kool-aid - tastes alright I guess!

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Reply #18 posted 08/24/11 8:05pm

PositivityForever

I wonder just how true this story or is Stevie getting high again?

Reply #19 posted 08/24/11 8:15pm

Oldsoul

It's Kiss all over again.

I'm only responsible for what I say, not for what you understand
Reply #20 posted 08/24/11 8:33pm

FunkiestOne

PositivityForever said:

I wonder just how true this story or is Stevie getting high again?

Yeah some people on here believe everything they read. I doubt this is true.

Reply #21 posted 08/24/11 8:56pm

BlackAdder7

stupid little things...

Benmont Tench is/was with Tom Petty....with whom she recorder stop dragging my heart...

interesting about Stand Back, because Prince receives no album credit, if im not mistaken...is that prince playing guitar on the track, and/or synthesizer?...

Reply #22 posted 08/24/11 9:00pm

DarkKnight1

V10LETBLUES said:

errant said:

and practically the producer of the Gold Experience.

Now I know who to blame. I hate that album with a passion only eclipsed by TRC

[Edited 8/23/11 21:07pm]

Absurd.

I don't want to make you feel stupid, so please don't mess with me.
Reply #23 posted 08/24/11 9:49pm

Zannaloaf

"So he sent her a cassette of a long instrumental track and invited her to pen lyrics."

How close to the final was it? And he hadn't written the lyrics so who contributed to that?We have no idea what the thing sounded like but jump to all kinds of conclusions.


"Kiss" started as a short acoustic demo, about a minute in length, with one verse and the chorus. Mazarati and produceDavid Z. drastically reworked the song, giving it its stripped-down sound. When Mazarati delivered the song to Prince, he decided to take back the song for himself. He replaced their lead vocal, added the guitar break in the chorus and edited the song to its present form."

Sounds like David Z. and Mazarati should have gotten writing credit too. Thats right- David Z and Mazarati fans comin' out tha woodwork... lol

Reply #24 posted 08/24/11 10:02pm

PurpleHigh

PositivityForever said:

I wonder just how true this story or is Stevie getting high again?

yeahthat

It seems like there was another thread a few months ago about some claim she made that seemed to stretch things a bit.

I like Stevie Nicks and all but she does have a habit of, um, misremembering things...or at least making claims that people question. Where there's smoke, there's fire.

Reply #25 posted 08/24/11 10:05pm

StonedImmaculate

PippiL said:

V10LETBLUES said:

Now I know who to blame. I hate that album with a passion only eclipsed by TRC

[Edited 8/23/11 21:07pm]

...Whoa, seriously? eek

The Gold Experience?!! That's one of the most epic things Prince has ever done.

*clutches the pearls*

Any album where Prince makes any attempt to rap is absolutely atrocious. Just my opinion.

As for Stevie's recollection of "Purple Rain"...if it's true, AWESOME!!!!!

blunt music She has robes and she has monkeys, lazy diamond studded flunkies.... music blunt
Reply #26 posted 08/24/11 10:26pm

IamFunkay7

wow! I thought I was the only one who went through it, Prince sent me the instrumental ttoo, and I freaked out the same way. I was like I can't do it, this is too overwhelming! so he came up with the lyrics, little did I know that song would be "Purple and Gold" bummer, I should have co-wrote something shrug

Reply #27 posted 08/24/11 10:28pm

kewlschool

Stevie Nicks talks about the "standback" recording session. I believe you can get at VH1-Its the one where she talks about how she wrote each song and then performs it live. (Prince also does keyboards on the original track)

Here's the written transcript from storytellers vh1:

Thank you, Frank. Thank you very much. (Stevie puts her hands together and gives a little bow to the audience) All right, well, the story of "Stand Back." Uh, many years ago, like in the beginning of the 1980's , um I got married. And my husband Kim and I were driving from Los Angeles to Santa Barbara for like a honeymoon. (Stevie smiles then laughs)And we heard this incredible Prince song called "Little Red Corvette". And we were like so knocked out at this song. So, we were like (Stevie dances a little) all the way, so we pulled over and we got it. And I just kind of hummed this song along to it. It's very, very different, you'll, you'll try it, you'll all go home and try this. But it's, you'll have to find where it fits in, but it was very, it was perfectly in there and we got to the , to the, hotel or wherever we went and we recorded it, and like it was a song, it was done. And, also to add that when I went in to record it, we were in the middle of recording it and I thought well, you know what? I could just call Prince and tell him this. And somebody got me his number, and that's not an easy thing to do, (audience laughs) and, and we contacted him. I was at Sunset Sound in Los Angeles. We contacted him and he called me back, he called me right back and I kinda told him the story. I said I kinda hummed along this song and I'm at Sunset Sound, and how do you feel about that. And twenty minutes later her roared into the parking lot (Stevie makes a little driving motion with her hands and audience laughs) and uh, came in, listened to the song you know, very cool, very quiet. And he said, "Okay", and I said, "Do you hate it?" , and he said "No, I, it's okay, it's cool" and he uh, they set up an OB8 for him and he played the doo doo doo doo doo the 1/16 note thing and then, he did it like one time. And then he went to the middle part where it goes deedat deedat deedat deedat, he did that, he finished it, he said good bye and he kinda walked out of my life. (audience laughs) So that's my Prince story and it's also my story of "Stand Back".(big smile)

The music starts and Stevie twirls around and sings "Stand Back"

99.9% of everything I say is strictly for my own entertainment
Reply #28 posted 08/24/11 10:30pm

kewlschool

Stevie still has the original cassette tape of music -That has the unfinished music piece for the song that eventually became Purple Rain. I wonder how much that tape is worth??

99.9% of everything I say is strictly for my own entertainment
Reply #29 posted 08/24/11 10:33pm

IamFunkay7

kewlschool said:

Stevie still has the original cassette tape of music -That has the unfinished music piece for the song that eventually became Purple Rain. I wonder how much that tape is worth??

a fortune!

Reply #30 posted 08/24/11 11:33pm

muirdo

I seem to remember a video clip of Stevie Nicks outside a Musicology gig getting quite emotional about the experience.

pat

Fuck the funk - it's time to ditch the worn-out Vegas horns fills, pick up the geee-tar and finally ROCK THE MUTHA-FUCKER!! He hinted at this on Chaos, now it's time to step up and fully DELIVER!!
woot!
KrystleEyes 22/03/05
Reply #31 posted 08/25/11 12:19am

SpookyElektrix

DreZone said:

PippiL said:

...Whoa, seriously? eek

The Gold Experience?!! That's one of the most epic things Prince has ever done.

*clutches the pearls*

You gotta be Joking! Epicl Fail more like... hyped TGE about it never being released, with that much hype, it better be a banger of an album..

So he gives us the Beautiful Experience feature-length video which includes "Days Of Wild" and "acknowledge Me" - arguably the most powerful tracks from that feature - only for it to NOT be released on TGE - what a gyp, had to wait for his greatest misses (and to some, greatest fail) "Crystal Ball" for anything to surface....

Why does everybody like Days of wild? Sounds like a wack ass rap with some rock/funk vibe. Something like RHCP but wacker. Acknowledge me sounds like a crappy new jack swing song with no so great cheap production.

Reply #32 posted 08/25/11 12:52am

suomynona

SpookyElektrix said:

Why does everybody like Days of wild? Sounds like a wack ass rap with some rock/funk vibe. Something like RHCP but wacker. Acknowledge me sounds like a crappy new jack swing song with no so great cheap production.

"Something like RHCP but wacker" gave me a hearty laugh.

"Days of Wild" & "Acknowledge Me" were good live -- at that time. As with most rap from that time period, it didn't stand the test of time. Most of us that were fans long before those songs were written, became fans of the live version of the song first. Kind of like "Come." "Come" is great on the DNA Lounge aftershow from 1993. Far superior to the version that was released by Warner in 1994, the version on "The Beautiful Experience," etc. "Days of Wild" (Glam Slam West 4/26/94) crushes the demo and the version on "Crystal Ball." "Acknowledge Me" sounded great live (again, back then -- doesn't stand the test of time), but suffered once it was released with an addition of one of the worst attempts at rap lyrics that Prince has ever recorded. I can't recall off the top of my head because I haven't heard it in around ten years. And I can't be bothered to go find it on dtt-lyrics because I don't want to be reminded of how lame it is.

As for tRC, fuck that album. There are a handful of great songs musically, but they are ruined with his religious bullshit.

But haters of those that don't like 75-90% of tGE, the preachiness of tRC, and *anything* some guest rapper has ruined -- even Prince doesn't care for that material. When was the last time Prince played something from tRC at a concert? ONA tour? How about anything from tGE other than "Shhh"? Oh wait, I think he's been playing Endorphinmachine again lately. So yeah, two songs from tGE.

Just sayin'...

Reply #33 posted 08/25/11 1:10am

BartVanHemelen

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

So this puts to rest, the over 25 year claim that Wendy & Lisa help write that song. Finally this discredits that The Revolution is responsible for Prince's crossover success & therefore wouldn't have been a superstar.......Thx Stevie.....Ok Wendy & Lisa groupies!

Dude, pur-lease. That instrumental could just as easily have been partly W&L's work. As if Nicks would know anything about that.

[Edited 8/25/11 1:13am]

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Reply #34 posted 08/25/11 1:14am

BartVanHemelen

ufoclub said:

Did people think Wendy and Lisa helped write the song because of the script of the movie?

The script was based on true events.

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Reply #35 posted 08/25/11 1:43am

802

BartVanHemelen said:

ufoclub said:

Did people think Wendy and Lisa helped write the song because of the script of the movie?

The script was based on true events.

Very, very loosely based on true events. Wendy and Lisa did not write Purple Rain

Reply #36 posted 08/25/11 2:11am

NelsonR

that is very positive, and something new...Prince's history and collaboration w/ other artists extends through 3 decades...let's hope others also share Princely treats with us

cool

Reply #37 posted 08/25/11 2:23am

alexnvrmnd777

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

asg said:

http://www.startribune.co...=2&c=y

So this puts to rest, the over 25 year claim that Wendy & Lisa help write that song. Finally this discredits that The Revolution is responsible for Prince's crossover success & therefore wouldn't have been a superstar.......Thx Stevie.....Ok Wendy & Lisa groupies!

Please. There was absolutely NO reason to bring Lisa and Wendy up, let alone downplay their contributions to his/their success. They worked on a lot of songs back then, including this one. Was it a co-write? I doubt it, and I don't know that too many people (outside of casual folk who only know Prince for Purple Rain, the album and film) even believe that they did.

Either way, there was no reason for you to undermine their contributions to his music in this thread. You just wanted to start something.

Reply #38 posted 08/25/11 2:37am

SpookyElektrix

suomynona said:

SpookyElektrix said:

Why does everybody like Days of wild? Sounds like a wack ass rap with some rock/funk vibe. Something like RHCP but wacker. Acknowledge me sounds like a crappy new jack swing song with no so great cheap production.

"Something like RHCP but wacker" gave me a hearty laugh.

"Days of Wild" & "Acknowledge Me" were good live -- at that time. As with most rap from that time period, it didn't stand the test of time. Most of us that were fans long before those songs were written, became fans of the live version of the song first. Kind of like "Come." "Come" is great on the DNA Lounge aftershow from 1993. Far superior to the version that was released by Warner in 1994, the version on "The Beautiful Experience," etc. "Days of Wild" (Glam Slam West 4/26/94) crushes the demo and the version on "Crystal Ball." "Acknowledge Me" sounded great live (again, back then -- doesn't stand the test of time), but suffered once it was released with an addition of one of the worst attempts at rap lyrics that Prince has ever recorded. I can't recall off the top of my head because I haven't heard it in around ten years. And I can't be bothered to go find it on dtt-lyrics because I don't want to be reminded of how lame it is.

As for tRC, fuck that album. There are a handful of great songs musically, but they are ruined with his religious bullshit.

But haters of those that don't like 75-90% of tGE, the preachiness of tRC, and *anything* some guest rapper has ruined -- even Prince doesn't care for that material. When was the last time Prince played something from tRC at a concert? ONA tour? How about anything from tGE other than "Shhh"? Oh wait, I think he's been playing Endorphinmachine again lately. So yeah, two songs from tGE.

Just sayin'...

Well when it came out both allready sounded wack and somewhat dated. I think all the songs on TGE are better then those 2.

Reply #39 posted 08/25/11 2:44am

chopingard

Timmy84 said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

So this puts to rest, the over 25 year claim that Wendy & Lisa help write that song. Finally this discredits that The Revolution is responsible for Prince's crossover success & therefore wouldn't have been a superstar.......Thx Stevie.....Ok Wendy & Lisa groupies!

Hold up, hold up. Someone was saying Wendy & Lisa co-wrote it?! HUH!?

Wendy & Lisa said themselves that they didn't write it but they helped. They said Prince had an original demo with very simple chords and that Wendy changed the chords a bit so they became the opening guitar chord sequence,

Reply #40 posted 08/25/11 2:54am

BartVanHemelen

The "Stand Back" recording session took place in early January 1983, while "Purple Rain" was recorded live on 3 August 1983 at First Avenue, at the Minnesota Dance Theatre benefit concert. (Incidentally, this was Wendy Melvoin's first concert as a member of Prince's band The Revolution -- she was a mere nineteen years old.) Per Nilsen's excellent Prince biography DanceMusicSexRomance -- Prince: The First Decade has got some more information about the title track:

Bobby "Z" Rivkin remembers hearing Prince playing the chord changes of the song during a rehearsal in Cincinatti in December 1982: "It was so different. It was almost country. It was almost rock. It was almost gospel." Matt Fink believes "Purple Rain" was influenced by Bob Seger, "I told Prince to do a song like that. When we were out on the 1999 tour, Bob Seger was shadowing us, playing everywhere we went. Prince said, 'I don't understand the appeal of that stuff.' I go, 'It's like country-rock, it's white music. You should write a ballad like Bob Seger writes and you'll cross right over.' And he did!"

Little else is known about the genesis of one of Prince's signature songs, although Wendy Melvoin claims the ...s involved:

According to Wendy Melvoin, the title track for the movie was truly a collaborative effort. Prince came in with the melody and the words and an "idea" of what the verses would be like. She played the opening chords, and everyone in The Revolution chipped in from there.
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Reply #41 posted 08/25/11 4:42am

V10LETBLUES

PippiL said:

V10LETBLUES said:

Now I know who to blame. I hate that album with a passion only eclipsed by TRC

[Edited 8/23/11 21:07pm]

...Whoa, seriously? eek

The Gold Experience?!! That's one of the most epic things Prince has ever done.

*clutches the pearls*

I think stupid music, lyrics and attitude can be charming, like most pop music. But these two albums stand out in that they wear their stupidity cockily on their sleeve. Stupid, arrogant and ignorant all in their own package.

People can play down the stupidity of the lyrics, (which I can), the unoriginality of the music (which I can) The cockiness (yeah)....but there is something so cringe-worthy about the total sum of their parts that I just cannot stand. But that's' just me. (and apparently most of the record buying public)

But back to "Stand Back" most everything he did in that era was so great. He was on a roll. Most everything he wrote in the 80's has an that certain something that still resonates 30 years later.

His 90's work was immediately forgettable. Hopefully immediately forgettable. Some of his 90's work you needed to scrub out of your ears.

innocent
Reply #42 posted 08/25/11 5:01am

2elijah

ufoclub said:

Did people think Wendy and Lisa helped write the song because of the script of the movie?


Yes, some sure did/still believe that, but his music crossed over before w&l became part of his band.
G. Giffords-a congresswoman was shot in the head by an 'armed' gunman-the police didn't kill her shooter. 'Unarmed' Michael Brown struggled w/a cop, runs away, surrenders and gets killed execution style by a cop. Justice for all? Go figure.
Reply #43 posted 08/25/11 5:11am

BartVanHemelen

The 19 November 1984 issue of People magazine contained the following:

"Friendship, real friendship, that's all that counts," Prince once said wistfully, admitting, "I would like to be a more loving person." Keyboard player Wendy Melvoin of the Revolution believes that Prince is changing: "There's a willingness to accept new things." The title of his file, Purple Rain, may have symbolized what she calls "a new beginning. Purple, the sky at dawn; rain, the cleansing factor." The song itself grew in a late-night jam session with each band member contributing a lick, the first time Prince had let them share in creating his music. "I think the most important lesson he has learned is that people care about him," says Lisa Coleman. "He did start out alone."

On the tv-show "I Love 1985", shown on BBC Two on 24 February 2001, Wendy said something along these lines: "it was just a bunch of chords Prince had lying around until Wendy came up with the intro, and then it all glued and we knew we were on to something big".

In one of the documentaries on the "Special Edition" DVD of Purple Rain, Wendy and/or Lisa said that they had come up with the chord progression and a melody, and Prince re-wrote the lyrics around their melody and chords and didnt give them co-writing credit.

The July 2009 issue of Spin magazine celebrated the 25th anniversary of Purple Rain, and contained the following on page 57:

Melvoin: "[For the title song] Prince came in with the melody and the words and an idea of what the verses were like. I came up with the opening chords, and everybody started playing their parts."

Bobby Z.: "My first reaction was, 'Wow, this is almost a country song.' It had a different feel than anything we'd been rehearsing for the rest of the album. I realize now it was probably, in his mind, the centerpiece of the story. But that's Prince — his ability to thread the needle, so to speak."

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Reply #44 posted 08/25/11 5:13am

BartVanHemelen

2elijah said:

ufoclub said:

Did people think Wendy and Lisa helped write the song because of the script of the movie?

Yes, some sure did/still believe that, but his music crossed over before w&l became part of his band.

Aha, so W&L didn't contribute to PR because Prince's music had already crossed over. In what universe do you regard these two things as connected to each other?

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Reply #45 posted 08/25/11 5:24am

BartVanHemelen

This is a quote from a 1998 interview with Wendy & Lisa:

Wendy: Prince always wanted money and control, period. Lisa and I wrote "Purple Rain." We came to rehearsal with the melody and the idea, and then over the next two days everyone worked on it and fleshed it out. But for "Computer Blue," we just contributed a keyboard line. That's writing? You just never knew what [credit] he would give you. He just wanted absolute power in every way, and we were too much for him. That's why he fired us.
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Reply #46 posted 08/25/11 5:40am

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KCOOLMUZIQ said:

asg said:

http://www.startribune.co...=2&c=y

This summer, Stevie Nicks was invited to sing on TV's "America's Got Talent" and "The Voice." This month, she joined Jeff Bridges and John Fogerty at a benefit for wounded soldiers in Sturgis, S.D. In May, her Fleetwood Mac songs were featured on a "Glee" episode.

Why is the witchy woman so suddenly in demand?

It probably has a lot to do with "In Your Dreams," her first solo album in 10 years and her best since 1981's "Bella Donna."

"I have to tip my top hat to Dave Stewart" of Eurythmics, she said, who produced the album. "I think the seven songs that he and I wrote together mixed in with the five songs that I wrote by myself made for a much more interesting and diversified record," said Nicks, who performs Wednesday at Mystic Lake Casino amphitheater.

As a musician, Nicks, 63, knows she's limited. She didn't expect to be writing with Stewart but she sent him 40 pages of poetry. He came to her house and said, "Let's do this one."

Recalled Nicks: "In my head, I'm like, 'You don't think we're really going to sit in this room and write a song together, 'cause I don't do that.' But he was so kind and so sweet and no ego, and we just started playing, and in 15 minutes we finished 'You May Be the One.'

"Suddenly, I had an epiphany. Wow! That worked. And this is a really great song with no grief. I don't feel punished or like something was taken away from me. I don't miss spending two months sitting at my piano in tears."

One of her own songs on "In Your Dreams" actually dates back to Fleetwood Mac's "Rumours" days in the mid-1970s. She knew she had "Secret Love" on a cassette somewhere but couldn't find it. Then her assistant discovered it on YouTube. It turns out that Nicks had actually recorded it for "Bella Donna" but never released it. Keyboardist Benmont Tench, the musical director for that album, was the only person to remember it.

"Ben told me that the other day," Nicks said. "Now my whole story about having no idea [what happened to the song] has gone to hell in a handbag. I remember we recorded a lot of songs for 'Bella Donna'; I just did not remember that."

Another new song has an old connection. "Moonlight (A Vampire's Dream)" was inspired by Nicks seeing the movie "Twilight Saga: New Moon" in 2009. When she went to make a video of it this year, she grabbed a dress out of her closet that she'd worn to the 1984 premiere of Prince's "Purple Rain" in Hollywood.

"My friend's daughter is playing violin on that [video] and I pulled that dress out for her to wear. It's been hanging in my closet. It's like a year younger than the girl who wears it in the video."

Purple connection

Back in the early 1980s, Nicks and Prince were friends and musical collaborators. One day when she was driving in Los Angeles, she started humming along to his "Little Red Corvette" on the radio and pulled over to write down words she was composing. When she went to record the song a few hours later, she called Prince.

"Don't even ask me how I found his number but I did. I told him: 'I'm recording this song and I wrote it to "Little Red Corvette" and I'm giving you 50 percent of it and I want to know if you'd like to come play on it on one of the next three nights.' He was there in an hour, and he was there for about an hour and a half. And we became friends."

That song, "Stand Back," became a big hit in 1983. She asked Prince if they could someday write a song together. So he sent her a cassette of a long instrumental track and invited her to pen lyrics.

"It was so overwhelming, that 10-minute track, that I listened to it and I just got scared," Nicks remembered. "I called him back and said, 'I can't do it. I wish I could. It's too much for me.' I'm so glad that I didn't, because he wrote it, and it became 'Purple Rain.'"

Buckingham Nicks redux

Nicks is better known for her relationship with Lindsey Buckingham, her musical and romantic partner in the duo Buckingham Nicks since their college days at San Jose State. They joined Fleetwood Mac in late 1974 but split up romantically a couple years later. Of course, they've continued to work together on-and-off in that Rock Hall of Fame band. He joined her for one tune on the new album, "Soldier's Angel."

"It was as close to the Buckingham Nicks years as we have been since Buckingham Nicks," Nicks said. "For Lindsey and I, that opened up the possibility of a new chapter. We certainly can still do it. And we did it well and it wasn't a lot of work. Lindsey and I are very happy with each other right now."

Would they do a duo tour?

"It's an absolute possibility. A lot of wounds were healed with 'Soldier's Angel.' It's about the war and these injured kids. It was a very kind of spiritual and holy thing."

What's the status of Fleetwood Mac?


[Edited 8/22/11 7:15am]

So this puts to rest, the over 25 year claim that Wendy & Lisa help write that song. Finally this discredits that The Revolution is responsible for Prince's crossover success & therefore wouldn't have been a superstar.......Thx Stevie.....Ok Wendy & Lisa groupies!

Just because he put that instrumental together and gave to Stevie doesn't mean Wendy & Lisa didn't assist in it's creation. Your statement doesn't say anything. We don't even know what form the music was in when she got it. Wendy & Lisa were allowed to pull alot of instrumentals and tracks out of the 'vault' for rework. Songs that became almost totally different.

Anyone who thinks they wrote the song based on the movie aren't to swift anyway. And even in the movie they composed music that became 'Purple Rain' it wasn't until the band followed Prince's lead and his added lyrics that it became Purple Rain.

Now where I come from
We don't let society tell us how it's supposed 2 be
Our clothes, our hair, we don't care
It's all about being there...
Reply #47 posted 08/25/11 5:41am

ufoclub

muirdo said:

I seem to remember a video clip of Stevie Nicks outside a Musicology gig getting quite emotional about the experience.

pat

I loved that clip.

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Reply #48 posted 08/25/11 5:46am

OldFriends4Sale

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chopingard said:

Timmy84 said:

Hold up, hold up. Someone was saying Wendy & Lisa co-wrote it?! HUH!?

Wendy & Lisa said themselves that they didn't write it but they helped. They said Prince had an original demo with very simple chords and that Wendy changed the chords a bit so they became the opening guitar chord sequence,

Lisa did the string work/orchestra on the song, that ending of strings is also Lisa Coleman

Now where I come from
We don't let society tell us how it's supposed 2 be
Our clothes, our hair, we don't care
It's all about being there...
Reply #49 posted 08/25/11 5:48am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

BartVanHemelen said:

This is a quote from a 1998 interview with Wendy & Lisa:

Wendy: Prince always wanted money and control, period. Lisa and I wrote "Purple Rain." We came to rehearsal with the melody and the idea, and then over the next two days everyone worked on it and fleshed it out. But for "Computer Blue," we just contributed a keyboard line. That's writing? You just never knew what [credit] he would give you. He just wanted absolute power in every way, and we were too much for him. That's why he fired us.

Actually according to Lisa that song was a lot of the Revolution,

the opening guitar screeching is Wendy

And the opening lines those 2 just came up with during one of those late night rehearsals

Now where I come from
We don't let society tell us how it's supposed 2 be
Our clothes, our hair, we don't care
It's all about being there...
Reply #50 posted 08/25/11 5:49am

ufoclub

BartVanHemelen said:

ufoclub said:

Did people think Wendy and Lisa helped write the song because of the script of the movie?

The script was based on true events.

Are you being sarcastic? It's not based on true events. It uses true locations and personalities that Prince either was actually around or hired specifically for the project.

Wendy and Lisa's musical style is quite apparent on their solo stuff. As is Prince's through his own output.

What aspect(s) of the film did you think was(were) true?

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Reply #51 posted 08/25/11 5:51am

OldFriends4Sale

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BartVanHemelen said:

The 19 November 1984 issue of People magazine contained the following:

"Friendship, real friendship, that's all that counts," Prince once said wistfully, admitting, "I would like to be a more loving person." Keyboard player Wendy Melvoin of the Revolution believes that Prince is changing: "There's a willingness to accept new things." The title of his file, Purple Rain, may have symbolized what she calls "a new beginning. Purple, the sky at dawn; rain, the cleansing factor." The song itself grew in a late-night jam session with each band member contributing a lick, the first time Prince had let them share in creating his music. "I think the most important lesson he has learned is that people care about him," says Lisa Coleman. "He did start out alone."

On the tv-show "I Love 1985", shown on BBC Two on 24 February 2001, Wendy said something along these lines: "it was just a bunch of chords Prince had lying around until Wendy came up with the intro, and then it all glued and we knew we were on to something big".

In one of the documentaries on the "Special Edition" DVD of Purple Rain, Wendy and/or Lisa said that they had come up with the chord progression and a melody, and Prince re-wrote the lyrics around their melody and chords and didnt give them co-writing credit.

The July 2009 issue of Spin magazine celebrated the 25th anniversary of Purple Rain, and contained the following on page 57:

Melvoin: "[For the title song] Prince came in with the melody and the words and an idea of what the verses were like. I came up with the opening chords, and everybody started playing their parts."

Bobby Z.: "My first reaction was, 'Wow, this is almost a country song.' It had a different feel than anything we'd been rehearsing for the rest of the album. I realize now it was probably, in his mind, the centerpiece of the story. But that's Prince — his ability to thread the needle, so to speak."

Nice

I believe Power Fantastic happened the same way. It was a composition initially by Lisa Coleman and Prince added the lyrics. The Revolution came up with their parts and the rest is history.

Now where I come from
We don't let society tell us how it's supposed 2 be
Our clothes, our hair, we don't care
It's all about being there...
Reply #52 posted 08/25/11 5:54am

Prints

BartVanHemelen said:

This is a quote from a 1998 interview with Wendy & Lisa:

Wendy: Prince always wanted money and control, period. Lisa and I wrote "Purple Rain." We came to rehearsal with the melody and the idea, and then over the next two days everyone worked on it and fleshed it out. But for "Computer Blue," we just contributed a keyboard line. That's writing? You just never knew what [credit] he would give you. He just wanted absolute power in every way, and we were too much for him. That's why he fired us.

The W&L quoutes are confusing. One sayin that P came up with the melody and chords and this one says that they should be credited.

I believe that Prince has not credited them and other collaborators/band members on many songs, because he is a control freak. Now some poeple are pissed of about not recieving royalties. I can understand that, but I think that Prince controled his output a lot and I believe in that we will never know how these songse were actually recorder. Maybe if Prince, engineers and The Revolution all would discuss this in one book or interview.

It will not change anything for me, if Prince's output was smaller on PR song. 99,5% people don't care either that Thriller wasn't written by MJ or that I will Always love you was not written by Whitney - but these song will be forever seen as the signature songs of those artists.

Reply #53 posted 08/25/11 6:29am

2freaky4church1

Prince will deny it of course.

That would have one good option--not to hear the song every tour.

wildsign Wave your wildsigns high!! wildsign
Reply #54 posted 08/25/11 6:31am

ufoclub

Prints said:

BartVanHemelen said:

This is a quote from a 1998 interview with Wendy & Lisa:

The W&L quoutes are confusing. One sayin that P came up with the melody and chords and this one says that they should be credited.

I believe that Prince has not credited them and other collaborators/band members on many songs, because he is a control freak. Now some poeple are pissed of about not recieving royalties. I can understand that, but I think that Prince controled his output a lot and I believe in that we will never know how these songse were actually recorder. Maybe if Prince, engineers and The Revolution all would discuss this in one book or interview.

It will not change anything for me, if Prince's output was smaller on PR song. 99,5% people don't care either that Thriller wasn't written by MJ or that I will Always love you was not written by Whitney - but these song will be forever seen as the signature songs of those artists.

It sounds like it could be that Wendy came up with the idea of striking the chords, solo, as the beginning moments of the song, and that has steamrolled into her coming up with the chord progression.

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Reply #55 posted 08/25/11 6:44am

2elijah

BartVanHemelen said:

2elijah said:

ufoclub said: Yes, some sure did/still believe that, but his music crossed over before w&l became part of his band.

Aha, so W&L didn't contribute to PR because Prince's music had already crossed over. In what universe do you regard these two things as connected to each other?

timeout Hey angry man, bitter billy, cut the dramatics and chill. I actually meant to respond to Kool's thread about W&L being responsible for his music crossing over, which I don't believe they were responsible for that, as his music crossed over before W&L joined the band. Speaking of universe, I wonder which one you're from? What is real strange about you is that you obsessively speak about Prince and his music with such bitterness and disgust, yet it seems you spend a massive amount of your time, dedicated to discussing him and researching his life and music. What's the matter? Too proud to admit you have love for him and can't let go...right? popcorn

G. Giffords-a congresswoman was shot in the head by an 'armed' gunman-the police didn't kill her shooter. 'Unarmed' Michael Brown struggled w/a cop, runs away, surrenders and gets killed execution style by a cop. Justice for all? Go figure.
Reply #56 posted 08/25/11 6:50am

Spinlight

2elijah said:

BartVanHemelen said:

Aha, so W&L didn't contribute to PR because Prince's music had already crossed over. In what universe do you regard these two things as connected to each other?

timeout Hey angry man, bitter billy, cut the dramatics and chill. I actually meant to respond to Kool's thread about W&L being responsible for his music crossing over, which I don't believe they were responsible for that, as his music crossed over before W&L joined the band. Speaking of universe, I wonder which one you're from? What is real strange about you is that you obsessively speak about Prince and his music with such bitterness and disgust, yet it seems you spend a massive amount of your time, dedicated to discussing him and researching his life and music. What's the matter? Too proud to admit you have love for him and can't let go...right? popcorn

Prince's music crossed over before W&L joined the band? You're wrong. Lisa joined the band in 1980, prior to Prince's music crossing over, and Wendy was on tour with them as early as 1981 (but who knows if it was earlier or longer depending on how open they were about their relationship with Prince).

While Prince may have -wanted- to cross over, he did not cross over without W&L.

Furthermore, people who defend the idea that Prince truly came up with the Revolution records by himself are in denial. There are numerous accounts of the true facts spread not only in this thread above.

Reply #57 posted 08/25/11 6:57am

2elijah

Spinlight said:

2elijah said:

timeout Hey angry man, bitter billy, cut the dramatics and chill. I actually meant to respond to Kool's thread about W&L being responsible for his music crossing over, which I don't believe they were responsible for that, as his music crossed over before W&L joined the band. Speaking of universe, I wonder which one you're from? What is real strange about you is that you obsessively speak about Prince and his music with such bitterness and disgust, yet it seems you spend a massive amount of your time, dedicated to discussing him and researching his life and music. What's the matter? Too proud to admit you have love for him and can't let go...right? popcorn

Prince's music crossed over before W&L joined the band? You're wrong. Lisa joined the band in 1980, prior to Prince's music crossing over, and Wendy was on tour with them as early as 1981 (but who knows if it was earlier or longer depending on how open they were about their relationship with Prince).

While Prince may have -wanted- to cross over, he did not cross over without W&L.

Furthermore, people who defend the idea that Prince truly came up with the Revolution records by himself are in denial. There are numerous accounts of the true facts spread not only in this thread above.

Get over it. He crossed over before W&L, you are in denial. comfort

G. Giffords-a congresswoman was shot in the head by an 'armed' gunman-the police didn't kill her shooter. 'Unarmed' Michael Brown struggled w/a cop, runs away, surrenders and gets killed execution style by a cop. Justice for all? Go figure.
Reply #58 posted 08/25/11 7:02am

Spinlight

2elijah said:

Spinlight said:

Prince's music crossed over before W&L joined the band? You're wrong. Lisa joined the band in 1980, prior to Prince's music crossing over, and Wendy was on tour with them as early as 1981 (but who knows if it was earlier or longer depending on how open they were about their relationship with Prince).

While Prince may have -wanted- to cross over, he did not cross over without W&L.

Furthermore, people who defend the idea that Prince truly came up with the Revolution records by himself are in denial. There are numerous accounts of the true facts spread not only in this thread above.

Get over it. He crossed over before W&L, you are in denial. comfort

Show me proof of that.

Edit: Neither Prince nor For You were crossover successes. "I Wanna Be Your Lover" topped off at #11 on the Billboard hot 100. It was the only single to be successful until the 1999 album.

So, in order for this to fit YOUR dream, IWBYL's top 11 charting would mean he had crossed over. Odd that he seemingly crossed over and then went right back to the black audience with his next 2 albums.

Riiiiight.

[Edited 8/25/11 7:06am]

Reply #59 posted 08/25/11 7:13am

alexnvrmnd777

OldFriends4Sale said:

BartVanHemelen said:

The 19 November 1984 issue of People magazine contained the following:

Nice

I believe Power Fantastic happened the same way. It was a composition initially by Lisa Coleman and Prince added the lyrics. The Revolution came up with their parts and the rest is history.

Thank you, both Bart and OF4S!! You're saying exactly what I was saying in my post above. As much as these fams claim that we say W&L are responsible for Prince's success (which NO ONE has ever said; only that they were a part of his overall global success at that time), they're completely on the other side of the spectrum and say everything he ever did was ALL because of him and anyone around him at the time was just along for the ride (as evidenced by Kcool's statement earlier)! disbelief

Reply #60 posted 08/25/11 7:20am

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Reply #61 posted 08/25/11 7:50am

alexnvrmnd777

Um, can we get back to talking about Purple Rain and how the Prince camp (yeah, I said it; "CAMP"!!!) worked on it before/after offering it to Stevie?!

Let's keep the racial he said/I meant to orgnote land. Moving on..... confused

Reply #62 posted 08/25/11 7:51am

dandeeland

The people that dont like TGE probably dont like rock music very much. To me this is a masterpiece cd. I love it and its my favorite. Got to cut those guys some slack though because alot of Prince fans like him for his R&B stuff. To me his R&B stuff is weak but pop/rock is strong. To each their own. At least they bought it right?

Reply #63 posted 08/25/11 7:56am

dandeeland

V10LETBLUES said:

PippiL said:

...Whoa, seriously? eek

The Gold Experience?!! That's one of the most epic things Prince has ever done.

*clutches the pearls*

I think stupid music, lyrics and attitude can be charming, like most pop music. But these two albums stand out in that they wear their stupidity cockily on their sleeve. Stupid, arrogant and ignorant all in their own package.

People can play down the stupidity of the lyrics, (which I can), the unoriginality of the music (which I can) The cockiness (yeah)....but there is something so cringe-worthy about the total sum of their parts that I just cannot stand. But that's' just me. (and apparently most of the record buying public)

But back to "Stand Back" most everything he did in that era was so great. He was on a roll. Most everything he wrote in the 80's has an that certain something that still resonates 30 years later.

His 90's work was immediately forgettable. Hopefully immediately forgettable. Some of his 90's work you needed to scrub out of your ears.

Really? If it weren't for the 90's stuff I wouldnt even be a fan. So are you saying I should not like Prince at all? I dont care for his 80's stuff with the exception of a handful of songs. The 90s were where is was at for me. Wow. I guess Prince really sucks then and I should reconsider my opinion of him

Reply #64 posted 08/25/11 8:07am

alandail

DreZone said:

PippiL said:

...Whoa, seriously? eek

The Gold Experience?!! That's one of the most epic things Prince has ever done.

*clutches the pearls*

You gotta be Joking! Epicl Fail more like... hyped TGE about it never being released, with that much hype, it better be a banger of an album..

So he gives us the Beautiful Experience feature-length video which includes "Days Of Wild" and "acknowledge Me" - arguably the most powerful tracks from that feature - only for it to NOT be released on TGE - what a gyp, had to wait for his greatest misses (and to some, greatest fail) "Crystal Ball" for anything to surface....

Then we get a cut down version of "Billy Jack Bitch" and a track which was recorded for "showgirls" and probably one of his lamest album closures, which I felt considering the album was called "The Gold Experience", a closing song with the lyrics "All that glitters ain't Gold" may as well be saying the whole thing was an overhyped anti-climax!

However "Shhh" and "I Hate U" could be it's saving Grace....

but for me... this album is merely a contribution to the integration of "Come" and "Exodus", the former being the FAR superior and the most underrated...

Finally as for TRC, isn't that one big musical proverbial JW door-to-door watchtower pitch/appraisal, appealing primarily to Prince puritans and musicians as opposed to the general consumer (I think it's fantastic personally - thought for accessibility in the noughties, Musicology hands down!)

That's my story and I'm sticking to it...

Sorry for the off-tangent twocents , we were talking about Stevie Nicks or something.....?

'dre

Prince addressed why Days of Wild wasn't on there in the song Face Down.

Told 'em he wanted 2 sing a song about a black child goin' buck wild
And they just laughed in his face
Talk 2 your lawyer but U got no case
What U need 2 do is keep your place

i.e. he wanted to release Days of Wild on tGE, WB wouldn't let him.

[Edited 8/25/11 8:08am]

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Reply #65 posted 08/25/11 8:13am

XNY

Wow. This thread quickly went from being about Stevie Nicks and Prince-- to Wendy and Lisa's input on Purple Rain to reviews of the Gold Experience and Days of Wild.

Getting back to Stevie...I remember she described having Prince in the studio: He heard the demo of Stand Back, and in just minutes stepped up to a synthesizer and played the chords that are now on the official release of Stand Back. She said she was blown away by his keyboard playing.

He came in, whipped out these great chords, and then left. She added that the she and Prince lost touch after that happened.

I always liked that story.

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Reply #66 posted 08/25/11 8:29am

Efan

XNY said:

Wow. This thread quickly went from being about Stevie Nicks and Prince-- to Wendy and Lisa's input on Purple Rain to reviews of the Gold Experience and Days of Wild.

Getting back to Stevie...I remember she described having Prince in the studio: He heard the demo of Stand Back, and in just minutes stepped up to a synthesizer and played the chords that are now on the official release of Stand Back. She said she was blown away by his keyboard playing.

He came in, whipped out these great chords, and then left. She added that the she and Prince lost touch after that happened.

I always liked that story.

They didn't really lose touch right after that, though. She was at the Purple Rain premiere and they interacted more after that (which she wrote about in her song "A Thousand Days").

Reply #67 posted 08/25/11 8:46am

Efan

Mars23 asked me to let everyone know that he can't get to this thread right now, but he will shortly.

In the meantime, he asks that everyone refrain from anymore comments and debate on the reported bit above. Please just focus on the original topic.

Reply #68 posted 08/25/11 8:59am

Giovanni777

XNY said:

Wow. This thread quickly went from being about Stevie Nicks and Prince-- to Wendy and Lisa's input on Purple Rain to reviews of the Gold Experience and Days of Wild.

Getting back to Stevie...I remember she described having Prince in the studio: He heard the demo of Stand Back, and in just minutes stepped up to a synthesizer and played the chords that are now on the official release of Stand Back. She said she was blown away by his keyboard playing.

He came in, whipped out these great chords, and then left. She added that the she and Prince lost touch after that happened.

I always liked that story.

She also said that no other keyboard player could play the part... even using two keyboard players.

Reminescent of when Matt Fink said that he couldn't play the synth part to "I Would Die 4 U".

Prince's playing is to tight, that one could think that it was arpeggiated or sequenced. Nope. Prince recorded most everything on most every album LIVE.

~G

"He's a musician's musician..."
Reply #69 posted 08/25/11 9:22am

ufoclub

First song Prince put out that many people heard "Controversy".

The big crossover hits were "1999" and "Little Red Corvette"

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Reply #70 posted 08/25/11 9:52am

BartVanHemelen

alexnvrmnd777 said:

Um, can we get back to talking about Purple Rain and how the Prince camp (yeah, I said it; "CAMP"!!!) worked on it before/after offering it to Stevie?!

It is a bit stunning how little info we have on this song. We know when it was recorded, but other than that all we have is some testimonials by band members, like Matt Fink talking about urging Prince to do a Bob Seger-like song, Bobby Z remembering he heard Prince "playing the chord changes of the song during a rehearsal in Cincinnatti in December 1982" (that must have been 12 December 1982, when the 1999 Tour stopped at the Riverfront Coliseum).

And then there's basically nothing until Prince & The Revolution perform the legendary Minnesota Dance Theatre benefit concert on 3 August 1983 at First Avenue.

Inbetween those two events there must have been the rehearsal Wendy & Lisa talk about, the one where a bunch of raw ideas came together and resulted in "Purple Rain".

But there's no evidence of a studio recording before the 3 August 1983 concert? Isn't that a bit odd? Granted, the basis for several other songs was also recorded there: "Electric Intercourse", "I Would Die 4 U" and "Baby I'm A Star", but we also know there is a demo for "Baby I'm A Star" from late 1981-1982.

And if Stevie Nicks is to be believed, Prince had recorded an instrumental demo of "Purple Rain", which he would have sent her shortly after the recording session for "Stand Back".

I can only hope that somewhere there's a huge stash of unknown documentation (a paper trail) which contains so much more information on all those songs and more. One can only hope that someday he'll regain his senses and open his vault to a select few music historians, so they can attempt to fill in the gaps. If a mega-corporation like LEGO is willing to open its vault to fans who are documenting every set ever released, surely Prince can do the same...

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Reply #71 posted 08/25/11 9:57am

V10LETBLUES

Prince loves mystery more than anyone else, but with so many people so close to one another, sooner or later the complete story will be told. At least I hope so.

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Reply #72 posted 08/25/11 10:11am

IshmaelB

early Nicks:

early Prince:

Reply #73 posted 08/25/11 10:39am

TheFreakerFantastic

This thread title is inaccurate. She didn't say he wrote Purple Rain for her, he just offered her an instrumental which, after she rejected, he later did more work on to become 'Purple Rain', that's different in my book.

Also, this doesn't disprove that W&L had input either, Stevie is talking about what sounds like an early instrumental/demo.


[Edited 8/25/11 10:40am]

Reply #74 posted 08/25/11 10:42am

novabrkr

(see the post below) So the title of the news item seems to be wrong. It should be more like "Prince sent Stevie Nicks a demo of a song that later became Purple Rain".

If Lisa came up with the chords then she should have been credited as a co-writer - just in my opinion. However, I don't think Prince was necessarily legally obliged to do that if he himself came up with the lyrics and the melody. The chord progression of "Purple Rain" works really well, but it's not the only thing that makes the song a classic. They're pretty basic power ballad chords to be honest. If you take those chords as a starting point it's not hard to imagine a song that would turn out to resemble stuff like "It's Gonna Be Lonely" or "Free". It could have resembled just about any other ballad in the end. "Purple Rain", however, is an unparalleled piece of music.

[Edited 8/25/11 10:46am]

Reply #75 posted 08/25/11 10:43am

novabrkr

TheFreakerFantastic said:

This thread title is inaccurate. She didn't say he wrote Purple Rain for her, he just offered her an instrumental which, after she rejected, he later did more work on to become 'Purple Rain', that's different in my book.

Also, this doesn't disprove that W&L had input either, Stevie is talking about what sounds like an early instrumental/demo.


[Edited 8/25/11 10:40am]

Sorry about stating in my post what you've already stated in yours. You seemed to post this comment while I was typing mine.

Reply #76 posted 08/25/11 10:50am

HotGritz

disbelief at some of the comments in this thread

I'M NOT SAYING YOU'RE UGLY. YOU JUST HAVE BAD LUCK WHEN IT COMES TO MIRRORS AND SUNLIGHT!
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Reply #77 posted 08/25/11 10:58am

IshmaelB

HotGritz said:

disbelief at some of the comments in this thread

disbelief at disbelief over people having disagreements.

Reply #78 posted 08/25/11 11:02am

HotGritz

IshmaelB said:

HotGritz said:

disbelief at some of the comments in this thread

disbelief at disbelief over people having disagreements.

Disagreements are a part of life but there's no reason to be ugly about it.

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Reply #79 posted 08/25/11 11:20am

frazetta

Stevie Nicks did a whole lot of blow back in the day. Could be she's got her facts a bit distorted.

Stand Back is a cool song.

edited to add : make that a TON of blow.

[Edited 8/25/11 11:21am]

The Revolution was better
Reply #80 posted 08/25/11 11:45am

HotGritz

frazetta said:

Stevie Nicks did a whole lot of blow back in the day. Could be she's got her facts a bit distorted.

Stand Back is a cool song.

edited to add : make that a TON of blow.

[Edited 8/25/11 11:21am]

falloff @ the edit

I do love the keyboards on Stand Back. Stevie looks hot in the vid too.

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Reply #81 posted 08/25/11 12:15pm

TheFreakerFantastic

novabrkr said:

TheFreakerFantastic said:

This thread title is inaccurate. She didn't say he wrote Purple Rain for her, he just offered her an instrumental which, after she rejected, he later did more work on to become 'Purple Rain', that's different in my book.

Also, this doesn't disprove that W&L had input either, Stevie is talking about what sounds like an early instrumental/demo.


[Edited 8/25/11 10:40am]

Sorry about stating in my post what you've already stated in yours. You seemed to post this comment while I was typing mine.

LOL great minds think alike! smile

Reply #82 posted 08/25/11 12:21pm

GustavoRibas

errant said:

and practically the producer of the Gold Experience.

- He is credited as ´additional keyboards´ if I remember well. But those keys made it more cheesy. Gold is one of my fave albums, but could have been a lot better if some parts werent so overproduced.

Peace
Gustavo Ribas
Reply #83 posted 08/25/11 12:27pm

Timmy84

GustavoRibas said:

errant said:

and practically the producer of the Gold Experience.

- He is credited as ´additional keyboards´ if I remember well. But those keys made it more cheesy. Gold is one of my fave albums, but could have been a lot better if some parts werent so overproduced.

Didn't dude like practically produce "I Hate U"?

Reply #84 posted 08/25/11 2:10pm

Zannaloaf

2elijah said:

Spinlight said:

Prince's music crossed over before W&L joined the band? You're wrong. Lisa joined the band in 1980, prior to Prince's music crossing over, and Wendy was on tour with them as early as 1981 (but who knows if it was earlier or longer depending on how open they were about their relationship with Prince).

While Prince may have -wanted- to cross over, he did not cross over without W&L.

Furthermore, people who defend the idea that Prince truly came up with the Revolution records by himself are in denial. There are numerous accounts of the true facts spread not only in this thread above.

Get over it. He crossed over before W&L, you are in denial. comfort

With who? I am a huge Prince fan. I listened to him from DAY ONE> but most of my friends didn't catch up until basically Purple Rain. Littel Red Corvette and 1999 opened the door, but most people piled in AFTER that. SO yeah, they definitely added to a look that opened more doors. He even worked that look for all it was worth wink

Reply #85 posted 08/25/11 2:11pm

Zannaloaf

ufoclub said:

Prints said:

The W&L quoutes are confusing. One sayin that P came up with the melody and chords and this one says that they should be credited.

I believe that Prince has not credited them and other collaborators/band members on many songs, because he is a control freak. Now some poeple are pissed of about not recieving royalties. I can understand that, but I think that Prince controled his output a lot and I believe in that we will never know how these songse were actually recorder. Maybe if Prince, engineers and The Revolution all would discuss this in one book or interview.

It will not change anything for me, if Prince's output was smaller on PR song. 99,5% people don't care either that Thriller wasn't written by MJ or that I will Always love you was not written by Whitney - but these song will be forever seen as the signature songs of those artists.

It sounds like it could be that Wendy came up with the idea of striking the chords, solo, as the beginning moments of the song, and that has steamrolled into her coming up with the chord progression.

it couls be anything...lol. You're just making stuff up as you go....

Reply #86 posted 08/25/11 2:21pm

Zannaloaf

meanwhile I do like Stand Back. I wish Prince had taken more credit for those songs- People always are shocked when I tell them he wrote Manic Monday.

Reply #87 posted 08/25/11 2:49pm

Timmy84

Zannaloaf said:

meanwhile I do like Stand Back. I wish Prince had taken more credit for those songs- People always are shocked when I tell them he wrote Manic Monday.

nod

Reply #88 posted 08/25/11 3:16pm

dalsh327

BlackAdder7 said:

stupid little things...

Benmont Tench is/was with Tom Petty....with whom she recorder stop dragging my heart...

interesting about Stand Back, because Prince receives no album credit, if im not mistaken...is that prince playing guitar on the track, and/or synthesizer?...

When it was originally released, Prince didn't get the credit. But in later compilations and on ASCAP/BMI, he got songwriting credit.

I don't think he played on the finished recording. if you can find a copy of "Timespace", her greatest hits from '91, she writes about it.

Reply #89 posted 08/25/11 3:24pm

dalsh327

It sounds like he had the basic idea for Purple Rain down in '82 the way he had Raspberry Beret in '82, but prob. just basic chords. Pulled the song out during the movie (we can assume some of those songs were 1999 era, embryonic though), and Wendy explained in the Purple Rain bonus disc what her contribution was. Prince gets complete songwriting credit for it, so it's a non-issue.

I thought there was another song Prince and Stevie worked on that was unreleased though.

Reply #90 posted 08/25/11 3:33pm

madhouseman

In all of my research, I have found nothing to indicate that Stevie was ever asked to write the lyrics for Purple Rain. I think that there is a little embellishment going on there, but I'd love to be proven wrong. I've seen no indication of Prince recording the song earlier in any of the studio notes I've seen or with any of the interviews from the Revolution or the others that were in the studio. There is always the possiblity that he recorded a demo in his home studio by himself and didnt document it.

When it comes to Wendy and Lisa's involvement in the song and if they wrote it, I would defer to Wendy directly from the Purple Rain DVD:

“In answer to everyone’s question, did Wendy & Lisa write Purple Rain? The answer is no. But… did we help? Yes we did.”

I think it is very clear that Wendy came up with the strumming guitar in the beginning and that everyone in the band helped out with their parts.

Success has many parents, and failure dies an orphan.

Reply #91 posted 08/25/11 3:54pm

Mars23

Moderator

moderator

TheFreakerFantastic said:

This thread title is inaccurate. She didn't say he wrote Purple Rain for her, he just offered her an instrumental which, after she rejected, he later did more work on to become 'Purple Rain', that's different in my book.

Also, this doesn't disprove that W&L had input either, Stevie is talking about what sounds like an early instrumental/demo.


[Edited 8/25/11 10:40am]

Both good points. A far as the thread title, well, that was what the poster chose and it did spark some discussion.

Studies have shown the ass crack of the average Prince fan to be abnormally large. This explains the ease and frequency of their panties bunching up in it.
Reply #92 posted 08/25/11 4:46pm

alexnvrmnd777

BartVanHemelen said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

Um, can we get back to talking about Purple Rain and how the Prince camp (yeah, I said it; "CAMP"!!!) worked on it before/after offering it to Stevie?!

It is a bit stunning how little info we have on this song. We know when it was recorded, but other than that all we have is some testimonials by band members, like Matt Fink talking about urging Prince to do a Bob Seger-like song, Bobby Z remembering he heard Prince "playing the chord changes of the song during a rehearsal in Cincinnatti in December 1982" (that must have been 12 December 1982, when the 1999 Tour stopped at the Riverfront Coliseum).

And then there's basically nothing until Prince & The Revolution perform the legendary Minnesota Dance Theatre benefit concert on 3 August 1983 at First Avenue.

Inbetween those two events there must have been the rehearsal Wendy & Lisa talk about, the one where a bunch of raw ideas came together and resulted in "Purple Rain".

But there's no evidence of a studio recording before the 3 August 1983 concert? Isn't that a bit odd? Granted, the basis for several other songs was also recorded there: "Electric Intercourse", "I Would Die 4 U" and "Baby I'm A Star", but we also know there is a demo for "Baby I'm A Star" from late 1981-1982.

And if Stevie Nicks is to be believed, Prince had recorded an instrumental demo of "Purple Rain", which he would have sent her shortly after the recording session for "Stand Back".

I can only hope that somewhere there's a huge stash of unknown documentation (a paper trail) which contains so much more information on all those songs and more. One can only hope that someday he'll regain his senses and open his vault to a select few music historians, so they can attempt to fill in the gaps. If a mega-corporation like LEGO is willing to open its vault to fans who are documenting every set ever released, surely Prince can do the same...

That's an excellent point, Bart. It sorta looks like this proper song popped up all of a sudden because we never were able to pinpoint its progression, when looking back on it. lol The only thing we know for sure is that there are a few sets of hands on this piece of work. So, people should stop pretending he operated in a vacuum back in the day.

Prince doesn't really care enough about his legacy to really have everything properly documented in his vault, audio and video (IMO). Ya see, LEGO has respect for their past works and realizes its cherished legacy and appreciates the bond that's formed between itself and its fans (even though they are a so-called cold and sterile faceless corporation). Prince barely wants the fans to know his vault exists anymore. It truly makes me wonder what he has planned for his music/estate for the next 10+ years and up until and after his death. He's more worried about anyone making ANY money off of it rather than preserving the historic work of a genius, warts and all. disbelief

Reply #93 posted 08/25/11 4:52pm

kewlschool

madhouseman said:

In all of my research, I have found nothing to indicate that Stevie was ever asked to write the lyrics for Purple Rain. I think that there is a little embellishment going on there, but I'd love to be proven wrong. I've seen no indication of Prince recording the song earlier in any of the studio notes I've seen or with any of the interviews from the Revolution or the others that were in the studio. There is always the possiblity that he recorded a demo in his home studio by himself and didnt document it.

When it comes to Wendy and Lisa's involvement in the song and if they wrote it, I would defer to Wendy directly from the Purple Rain DVD:

“In answer to everyone’s question, did Wendy & Lisa write Purple Rain? The answer is no. But… did we help? Yes we did.”

I think it is very clear that Wendy came up with the strumming guitar in the beginning and that everyone in the band helped out with their parts.

Success has many parents, and failure dies an orphan.

^^^^Wendy's response to the question did Wenda and Lisa write Purple Rain. Found on the speciel edition of Purple Rain. Their input was on some arrangement of music. All comments can be found on the extra's on the speciel edition of Purple Rain.

99.9% of everything I say is strictly for my own entertainment
Reply #94 posted 08/25/11 5:22pm

madhouseman

kewlschool said:

madhouseman said:

In all of my research, I have found nothing to indicate that Stevie was ever asked to write the lyrics for Purple Rain. I think that there is a little embellishment going on there, but I'd love to be proven wrong. I've seen no indication of Prince recording the song earlier in any of the studio notes I've seen or with any of the interviews from the Revolution or the others that were in the studio. There is always the possiblity that he recorded a demo in his home studio by himself and didnt document it.

When it comes to Wendy and Lisa's involvement in the song and if they wrote it, I would defer to Wendy directly from the Purple Rain DVD:

“In answer to everyone’s question, did Wendy & Lisa write Purple Rain? The answer is no. But… did we help? Yes we did.”

I think it is very clear that Wendy came up with the strumming guitar in the beginning and that everyone in the band helped out with their parts.

Success has many parents, and failure dies an orphan.

^^^^Wendy's response to the question did Wenda and Lisa write Purple Rain. Found on the speciel edition of Purple Rain. Their input was on some arrangement of music. All comments can be found on the extra's on the speciel edition of Purple Rain.

exactly. thanx for the assist on that one.

Reply #95 posted 08/25/11 5:28pm

Nick715

I would love to hear the unreleased stuff. For the record, "Stand Back" and "Little Red Corvette" are two of my all time 80's favorites.

I didn't become a music freak until about '82 and '83.

Reply #96 posted 08/25/11 5:38pm

GustavoRibas

Cool, I never knew ´Stand Back´, and now that I listened to it, it has LRC all over it. Real nice song and I love her voice.

Peace
Gustavo Ribas
Reply #97 posted 08/25/11 6:08pm

Nick715

^This forum needs a "like" feature. wink

Reply #98 posted 08/26/11 6:48am

iloveannie

Stevie Nicks. Best know for ruining Fleetwood Mac.

She was also on tv recently for an interview. One word summed her up. I normally don't apply this word to women but in this case it was more than appropriate.

TIT.

I could have used the word ANNOYING in front of it. Horrid accent, horrid persona, horrid voice.

Reply #99 posted 08/26/11 7:00am

PurpleJedi

IamFunkay7 said:

kewlschool said:

Stevie still has the original cassette tape of music -That has the unfinished music piece for the song that eventually became Purple Rain. I wonder how much that tape is worth??

a fortune!

nod

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Reply #100 posted 08/26/11 9:59am

TheFreakerFantastic

Mars23 said:

TheFreakerFantastic said:

This thread title is inaccurate. She didn't say he wrote Purple Rain for her, he just offered her an instrumental which, after she rejected, he later did more work on to become 'Purple Rain', that's different in my book.

Also, this doesn't disprove that W&L had input either, Stevie is talking about what sounds like an early instrumental/demo.


[Edited 8/25/11 10:40am]

Both good points. A far as the thread title, well, that was what the poster chose and it did spark some discussion.

Thanks for the info Mars wink

Reply #101 posted 08/26/11 10:43am

rdhull

iloveannie said:

Stevie Nicks. Best know for ruining Fleetwood Mac.

She was also on tv recently for an interview. One word summed her up. I normally don't apply this word to women but in this case it was more than appropriate.

TIT.

I could have used the word ANNOYING in front of it. Horrid accent, horrid persona, horrid voice.

^^^you can go your own way

Roger Ebert:rest in peace
Reply #102 posted 08/26/11 11:53am

errant

iloveannie said:

Stevie Nicks. Best know for ruining Fleetwood Mac.

She was also on tv recently for an interview. One word summed her up. I normally don't apply this word to women but in this case it was more than appropriate.

TIT.

I could have used the word ANNOYING in front of it. Horrid accent, horrid persona, horrid voice.

tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies

"does my cock look fat in these jeans?"
Reply #103 posted 08/26/11 1:11pm

Sexymf77

I heard somthing about this b4.

But ,not the pr song originally

4 stevie. Behind the music or something

I saw,she talked about the listeing to

little red corvette and stand back video.

Shut up already...Damn!
Reply #104 posted 08/26/11 3:40pm

JumpUpOnThe1

IshmaelB said:

early Nicks:

early Prince:

Okay, THAT is freaky, lol. Prince as Lindsay Buckingham?? doh!

Wait- does this mean he wrote 'I Wanna Be Your Lover' to Stevie ?? omfg lol

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Reply #105 posted 08/26/11 3:47pm

PurpleLove7

moderator

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

So this puts to rest, the over 25 year claim that Wendy & Lisa help write that song. Finally this discredits that The Revolution is responsible for Prince's crossover success & therefore wouldn't have been a superstar.......Thx Stevie.....Ok Wendy & Lisa groupies!

Yeah, I think the movie 'Purple Rain' influenced fam / fans to believe Wendy & Lisa co-wrote it ...

Peace ... & Stay Funky ...

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Reply #106 posted 08/26/11 4:13pm

IamFunkay7

JumpUpOnThe1 said:

IshmaelB said:

early Nicks:

early Prince:

Okay, THAT is freaky, lol. Prince as Lindsay Buckingham?? doh!

Wait- does this mean he wrote 'I Wanna Be Your Lover' to Stevie ?? omfg lol

blowup nutty

Reply #107 posted 08/26/11 4:26pm

NDRU

TheFreakerFantastic said:

This thread title is inaccurate. She didn't say he wrote Purple Rain for her, he just offered her an instrumental which, after she rejected, he later did more work on to become 'Purple Rain', that's different in my book.

Also, this doesn't disprove that W&L had input either, Stevie is talking about what sounds like an early instrumental/demo.

That is what I was going to say, he may have written it for Pat Boone originally

And just like in the movie, an instrumental version of PR is very different from the final version...although, I have to say, I can totally hear Stevie singing Purple Rain

Reply #108 posted 08/26/11 4:47pm

XxAxX

kinda makesa a person wonder, how many unlabeled old cassette tapes, battered but still playable, are out there that have rough sketches by prince he gave away to friends or people he wanted to work with? drool if i come across a box of old tapes at a garage sale in north minneapolis, i'll buy them....

Reply #109 posted 08/26/11 5:19pm

laurarichardson

Zannaloaf said:

"So he sent her a cassette of a long instrumental track and invited her to pen lyrics."

How close to the final was it? And he hadn't written the lyrics so who contributed to that?We have no idea what the thing sounded like but jump to all kinds of conclusions.


"Kiss" started as a short acoustic demo, about a minute in length, with one verse and the chorus. Mazarati and produceDavid Z. drastically reworked the song, giving it its stripped-down sound. When Mazarati delivered the song to Prince, he decided to take back the song for himself. He replaced their lead vocal, added the guitar break in the chorus and edited the song to its present form."

Sounds like David Z. and Mazarati should have gotten writing credit too. Thats right- David Z and Mazarati fans comin' out tha woodwork... lol

David Z has said that P made that song and deserved the credit. If you had a chance to hear the Mazarati version you would understand why P s version is better.

Reply #110 posted 08/26/11 6:28pm

1725topp

Spinlight said:

Show me proof of that.

Edit: Neither Prince nor For You were crossover successes. "I Wanna Be Your Lover" topped off at #11 on the Billboard hot 100. It was the only single to be successful until the 1999 album.

So, in order for this to fit YOUR dream, IWBYL's top 11 charting would mean he had crossed over. Odd that he seemingly crossed over and then went right back to the black audience with his next 2 albums.

Riiiiight.

[Edited 8/25/11 7:06am]

I don't know how much writing Wendy and Lisa did from Purple Rain through Sign "O" the Times, but, technically, according to Monte Moir and others, Prince's crossover success began with "1999" and "Little Red Corvette." Once both songs were in heavy rotation on MTV, especially "Little Red Corvette," which was also during the 1999 Tour, members of The Time and The Revolution began to see a huge increase in white audience members, which represented almost half of the audience by the end of the tour. This was also helped by having successful white acts like John Cougar play the 1999 album as the audience was waiting for the John Cougar show to begin.

*

Now, Prince wanted crossover success and knew that having white members in the band would aid that. As Pepe Willie states, "Prince wanted a white drummer. There were better drummers, but Prince wanted a white drummer." This is not to say that Bobby Z was not a good drummer. And, of course, Lisa and Fink were already in the band. Prince even admitted in 85/86 that Wendy "makes him seem alright with some people. When I sneer, she smiles." But to say that Prince's crossover success is due to Wendy and Lisa really discounts Prince's talent to write music that can be appreciated by several different types of people. Of course, Prince, himself, blurs this line with all of the "cloak and dagger" mystery and by the fact that his own concerns about race (his own blackness) limiting the type of airplay, fans, and opportunities that he would have as a musician all works to make it difficult to draw a line in the sand and say what was written when and by whom. And there is enough proof to show that Prince has taken credit for some things that he did not write yet we should not act like he is the first to do this and that every time has been calculated and purposeful. Sometimes people forget just how collaborative making music is, and most musicians in a group setting, especially with people with whom they have worked for a while, would be hard-pressed to say who wrote what note when.

*

Now, let me be honest and say that I'm one of those persons who rolls his eyes when I hear folk saying that Prince was nothing without Wendy and Lisa. Wendy and Lisa are great musicians who added a great deal to Prince's body of work. However, Prince was a genius before them and a genius after them, and a testament to that is that 1999 crossover before the Wendy and Lisa era, unless we are saying that Wendy and Lisa wrote or greatly contributed to “1999” and “Little Red Corvette.”

Reply #111 posted 08/26/11 8:36pm

KCOOLMUZIQ

1725topp said:

Spinlight said:

Show me proof of that.

Edit: Neither Prince nor For You were crossover successes. "I Wanna Be Your Lover" topped off at #11 on the Billboard hot 100. It was the only single to be successful until the 1999 album.

So, in order for this to fit YOUR dream, IWBYL's top 11 charting would mean he had crossed over. Odd that he seemingly crossed over and then went right back to the black audience with his next 2 albums.

Riiiiight.

[Edited 8/25/11 7:06am]

I don't know how much writing Wendy and Lisa did from Purple Rain through Sign "O" the Times, but, technically, according to Monte Moir and others, Prince's crossover success began with "1999" and "Little Red Corvette." Once both songs were in heavy rotation on MTV, especially "Little Red Corvette," which was also during the 1999 Tour, members of The Time and The Revolution began to see a huge increase in white audience members, which represented almost half of the audience by the end of the tour. This was also helped by having successful white acts like John Cougar play the 1999 album as the audience was waiting for the John Cougar show to begin.

*

Now, Prince wanted crossover success and knew that having white members in the band would aid that. As Pepe Willie states, "Prince wanted a white drummer. There were better drummers, but Prince wanted a white drummer." This is not to say that Bobby Z was not a good drummer. And, of course, Lisa and Fink were already in the band. Prince even admitted in 85/86 that Wendy "makes him seem alright with some people. When I sneer, she smiles." But to say that Prince's crossover success is due to Wendy and Lisa really discounts Prince's talent to write music that can be appreciated by several different types of people. Of course, Prince, himself, blurs this line with all of the "cloak and dagger" mystery and by the fact that his own concerns about race (his own blackness) limiting the type of airplay, fans, and opportunities that he would have as a musician all works to make it difficult to draw a line in the sand and say what was written when and by whom. And there is enough proof to show that Prince has taken credit for some things that he did not write yet we should not act like he is the first to do this and that every time has been calculated and purposeful. Sometimes people forget just how collaborative making music is, and most musicians in a group setting, especially with people with whom they have worked for a while, would be hard-pressed to say who wrote what note when.

*

Now, let me be honest and say that I'm one of those persons who rolls his eyes when I hear folk saying that Prince was nothing without Wendy and Lisa. Wendy and Lisa are great musicians who added a great deal to Prince's body of work. However, Prince was a genius before them and a genius after them, and a testament to that is that 1999 crossover before the Wendy and Lisa era, unless we are saying that Wendy and Lisa wrote or greatly contributed to “1999” and “Little Red Corvette.”

clapping nod clapping

princes like a "ACT OF GOD" N another realm.Of all people who might b aliens,angels.if found out prince wasn't of this earth, eye would not b surprised, prince is looking 4 like-minded individuals 'Y should eye do this becuz every1 is doing it?'"
Reply #112 posted 08/26/11 9:09pm

babynoz

1725topp said:

I don't know how much writing Wendy and Lisa did from Purple Rain through Sign "O" the Times, but, technically, according to Monte Moir and others, Prince's crossover success began with "1999" and "Little Red Corvette." Once both songs were in heavy rotation on MTV, especially "Little Red Corvette," which was also during the 1999 Tour, members of The Time and The Revolution began to see a huge increase in white audience members, which represented almost half of the audience by the end of the tour. This was also helped by having successful white acts like John Cougar play the 1999 album as the audience was waiting for the John Cougar show to begin.

*

Now, Prince wanted crossover success and knew that having white members in the band would aid that. As Pepe Willie states, "Prince wanted a white drummer. There were better drummers, but Prince wanted a white drummer." This is not to say that Bobby Z was not a good drummer. And, of course, Lisa and Fink were already in the band. Prince even admitted in 85/86 that Wendy "makes him seem alright with some people. When I sneer, she smiles." But to say that Prince's crossover success is due to Wendy and Lisa really discounts Prince's talent to write music that can be appreciated by several different types of people. Of course, Prince, himself, blurs this line with all of the "cloak and dagger" mystery and by the fact that his own concerns about race (his own blackness) limiting the type of airplay, fans, and opportunities that he would have as a musician all works to make it difficult to draw a line in the sand and say what was written when and by whom. And there is enough proof to show that Prince has taken credit for some things that he did not write yet we should not act like he is the first to do this and that every time has been calculated and purposeful. Sometimes people forget just how collaborative making music is, and most musicians in a group setting, especially with people with whom they have worked for a while, would be hard-pressed to say who wrote what note when.

*

Now, let me be honest and say that I'm one of those persons who rolls his eyes when I hear folk saying that Prince was nothing without Wendy and Lisa. Wendy and Lisa are great musicians who added a great deal to Prince's body of work. However, Prince was a genius before them and a genius after them, and a testament to that is that 1999 crossover before the Wendy and Lisa era, unless we are saying that Wendy and Lisa wrote or greatly contributed to “1999” and “Little Red Corvette.”

yeahthat

"Success has a great tendency to conceal and throw a veil over the evil of men"....Demosthenes
Reply #113 posted 08/26/11 9:41pm

JudasLChrist

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

So this puts to rest, the over 25 year claim that Wendy & Lisa help write that song. Finally this discredits that The Revolution is responsible for Prince's crossover success & therefore wouldn't have been a superstar.......Thx Stevie.....Ok Wendy & Lisa groupies!

No, actually, it doesn't. On the Purple Rain special edition DVD W&L flat out break down waht their contribution to the song Purple Rain was. There's no speculation, and this story doesn't conflict with theirs, so...

Reply #114 posted 08/27/11 7:00am

ecstasy

Oh wow thats crazy... Well remember that it was just an instrumental track before it became the real Purple Rain. Soooooo, personally I'm not excepting it, haha

Yes, at 19, I finally saw the Revolution, a legendary band. And I talked to Wendy!!! biggrin In addition to seeing Prince, I have now lived life. Thank you Purple People!!
Reply #115 posted 08/27/11 12:01pm

tomds

suomynona said:

But haters of those that don't like 75-90% of tGE, the preachiness of tRC, and *anything* some guest rapper has ruined -- even Prince doesn't care for that material. When was the last time Prince played something from tRC at a concert? ONA tour? How about anything from tGE other than "Shhh"? Oh wait, I think he's been playing Endorphinmachine again lately. So yeah, two songs from tGE.

Just sayin'...

he played gold a couple of times recently. and the most beautiful girl in the world.

that's 4 songs from one album. only purple rain has more songs sung live.

[Edited 8/27/11 12:03pm]

Reply #116 posted 08/27/11 5:33pm

thedance

Mars23 said:

TheFreakerFantastic said:

This thread title is inaccurate. She didn't say he wrote Purple Rain for her, he just offered her an instrumental which, after she rejected, he later did more work on to become 'Purple Rain', that's different in my book.

Also, this doesn't disprove that W&L had input either, Stevie is talking about what sounds like an early instrumental/demo.

Both good points. A far as the thread title, well, that was what the poster chose and it did spark some discussion.

^

so the headline is not a fact, but actually is misleading?!

I wish you, Mars... or someone else would change it then.

I did not believe this from the beginning - anyway.

Let 2014 be purple:

I can't wait for the remaster! heart
Reply #117 posted 08/27/11 6:08pm

TonyVanDam

MickyDolenz said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

So this puts to rest, the over 25 year claim that Wendy & Lisa help write that song.

I don't know who wrote what. But Stevie just says Prince gave her a tape with an instrumental. That doesn't prove anything either way. She doesn't say the music was written solo or in a collaboration and Stevie wouldn't know unless she was told.

Exactly. nod So therefore, some of these Prince-stans needs to stop trying too hard in discrediting the inspirations of Wendy & Lisa.

Yes, I said it.

Reply #118 posted 08/27/11 6:38pm

KCOOLMUZIQ

JudasLChrist said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

So this puts to rest, the over 25 year claim that Wendy & Lisa help write that song. Finally this discredits that The Revolution is responsible for Prince's crossover success & therefore wouldn't have been a superstar.......Thx Stevie.....Ok Wendy & Lisa groupies!

No, actually, it doesn't. On the Purple Rain special edition DVD W&L flat out break down waht their contribution to the song Purple Rain was. There's no speculation, and this story doesn't conflict with theirs, so...

I have that special edition DvD & heard every word Wendy & Lisa said....I do believe the opening guitar cords was Wendy it is very brilliant but that doesn't change the song what it is & who created it....

princes like a "ACT OF GOD" N another realm.Of all people who might b aliens,angels.if found out prince wasn't of this earth, eye would not b surprised, prince is looking 4 like-minded individuals 'Y should eye do this becuz every1 is doing it?'"
Reply #119 posted 08/28/11 7:44am

HohnerCatcher

JumpUpOnThe1 said:

IshmaelB said:

early Nicks:

early Prince:

Okay, THAT is freaky, lol. Prince as Lindsay Buckingham?? doh!

Wait- does this mean he wrote 'I Wanna Be Your Lover' to Stevie ?? omfg lol

No, "I Wanna Be Your Lover" was for keyboardist/singer Patrice Rushen. Let's not get our stories mixed up with speculation (from Stevie Nicks or other obsessed fans).
Reply #120 posted 08/28/11 7:46am

HohnerCatcher

madhouseman said:

In all of my research, I have found nothing to indicate that Stevie was ever asked to write the lyrics for Purple Rain. I think that there is a little embellishment going on there, but I'd love to be proven wrong. I've seen no indication of Prince recording the song earlier in any of the studio notes I've seen or with any of the interviews from the Revolution or the others that were in the studio. There is always the possiblity that he recorded a demo in his home studio by himself and didnt document it.

Yeah I am thinking her story is mixed up with the era. Maybe it was the inst to "God" or something lol
Reply #121 posted 08/28/11 10:04am

PrettynPurple

I thought Prince said "I didn't write Purple Rain somebody else did in an interview"

Reply #122 posted 08/28/11 10:41am

KCOOLMUZIQ

PrettynPurple said:

I thought Prince said "I didn't write Purple Rain somebody else did in an interview"

No! He said "I don't own "Purple Rain" somebody else does" Meaning The Purple Rain Masters....

princes like a "ACT OF GOD" N another realm.Of all people who might b aliens,angels.if found out prince wasn't of this earth, eye would not b surprised, prince is looking 4 like-minded individuals 'Y should eye do this becuz every1 is doing it?'"
Reply #123 posted 08/28/11 12:58pm

Meloh9

what about the Bob Seger connection? lol

Reply #124 posted 08/28/11 2:12pm

JudasLChrist

Meloh9 said:

what about the Bob Seger connection? lol

Matt fink tells a story (I think it's in Posessessed, The Rise and Fall...):

"Purple Rain" was influenced by Bob Seger, "I told Prince to do a song like that. When we were out on the 1999 tour, Bob Seger was shadowing us, playing everywhere we went. Prince said, 'I don't understand the appeal of that stuff.' I go, 'It's like country-rock, it's white music. You should write a ballad like Bob Seger writes and you'll cross right over.' And he did!"

Reply #125 posted 08/28/11 2:18pm

JoeTyler

I don't believe a word

that 10-min demo could have been Lust U Always for all we know...for example

tinkerbell
Rejecting the Dark Side...by ignoring the BS around me
Reply #126 posted 08/28/11 5:13pm

1725topp

PrettynPurple said:

I thought Prince said "I didn't write Purple Rain somebody else did in an interview"

That was the interview just before the release of Under the Cherry Moon that was broadcast by MTV. He was referring to the film, not the song. More specifically, he was answering a question regarding the sexism of Purple Rain, if I'm remembering correctly.

Reply #127 posted 08/29/11 8:33pm

kiss712

asg said:

http://www.startribune.co...=2&c=y

This summer, Stevie Nicks was invited to sing on TV's "America's Got Talent" and "The Voice." This month, she joined Jeff Bridges and John Fogerty at a benefit for wounded soldiers in Sturgis, S.D. In May, her Fleetwood Mac songs were featured on a "Glee" episode.

Why is the witchy woman so suddenly in demand?

It probably has a lot to do with "In Your Dreams," her first solo album in 10 years and her best since 1981's "Bella Donna."

"I have to tip my top hat to Dave Stewart" of Eurythmics, she said, who produced the album. "I think the seven songs that he and I wrote together mixed in with the five songs that I wrote by myself made for a much more interesting and diversified record," said Nicks, who performs Wednesday at Mystic Lake Casino amphitheater.

As a musician, Nicks, 63, knows she's limited. She didn't expect to be writing with Stewart but she sent him 40 pages of poetry. He came to her house and said, "Let's do this one."

Recalled Nicks: "In my head, I'm like, 'You don't think we're really going to sit in this room and write a song together, 'cause I don't do that.' But he was so kind and so sweet and no ego, and we just started playing, and in 15 minutes we finished 'You May Be the One.'

"Suddenly, I had an epiphany. Wow! That worked. And this is a really great song with no grief. I don't feel punished or like something was taken away from me. I don't miss spending two months sitting at my piano in tears."

One of her own songs on "In Your Dreams" actually dates back to Fleetwood Mac's "Rumours" days in the mid-1970s. She knew she had "Secret Love" on a cassette somewhere but couldn't find it. Then her assistant discovered it on YouTube. It turns out that Nicks had actually recorded it for "Bella Donna" but never released it. Keyboardist Benmont Tench, the musical director for that album, was the only person to remember it.

"Ben told me that the other day," Nicks said. "Now my whole story about having no idea [what happened to the song] has gone to hell in a handbag. I remember we recorded a lot of songs for 'Bella Donna'; I just did not remember that."

Another new song has an old connection. "Moonlight (A Vampire's Dream)" was inspired by Nicks seeing the movie "Twilight Saga: New Moon" in 2009. When she went to make a video of it this year, she grabbed a dress out of her closet that she'd worn to the 1984 premiere of Prince's "Purple Rain" in Hollywood.

"My friend's daughter is playing violin on that [video] and I pulled that dress out for her to wear. It's been hanging in my closet. It's like a year younger than the girl who wears it in the video."

Purple connection

Back in the early 1980s, Nicks and Prince were friends and musical collaborators. One day when she was driving in Los Angeles, she started humming along to his "Little Red Corvette" on the radio and pulled over to write down words she was composing. When she went to record the song a few hours later, she called Prince.

"Don't even ask me how I found his number but I did. I told him: 'I'm recording this song and I wrote it to "Little Red Corvette" and I'm giving you 50 percent of it and I want to know if you'd like to come play on it on one of the next three nights.' He was there in an hour, and he was there for about an hour and a half. And we became friends."

That song, "Stand Back," became a big hit in 1983. She asked Prince if they could someday write a song together. So he sent her a cassette of a long instrumental track and invited her to pen lyrics.

"It was so overwhelming, that 10-minute track, that I listened to it and I just got scared," Nicks remembered. "I called him back and said, 'I can't do it. I wish I could. It's too much for me.' I'm so glad that I didn't, because he wrote it, and it became 'Purple Rain.'"

Buckingham Nicks redux

Nicks is better known for her relationship with Lindsey Buckingham, her musical and romantic partner in the duo Buckingham Nicks since their college days at San Jose State. They joined Fleetwood Mac in late 1974 but split up romantically a couple years later. Of course, they've continued to work together on-and-off in that Rock Hall of Fame band. He joined her for one tune on the new album, "Soldier's Angel."

"It was as close to the Buckingham Nicks years as we have been since Buckingham Nicks," Nicks said. "For Lindsey and I, that opened up the possibility of a new chapter. We certainly can still do it. And we did it well and it wasn't a lot of work. Lindsey and I are very happy with each other right now."

Would they do a duo tour?

"It's an absolute possibility. A lot of wounds were healed with 'Soldier's Angel.' It's about the war and these injured kids. It was a very kind of spiritual and holy thing."

What's the status of Fleetwood Mac?


[Edited 8/22/11 7:15am]

It would be not bad actually if Nicks did this song, but then we wouldn't have the BEST MOVIE OF ALL TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Reply #128 posted 08/30/11 1:18am

GaryMF

Stop tripping y'all. As already stated, watch the PR DVD Special Edition: Wendy and LIsa flat out say they did NOT write Purple Rain, but they HELPED with it.

Specifically, Wendy says she suggested using the "SUSPENDED CHORD". Can't remember if she names the chord, but if you ever played the song, the first chord of the song (and the basic progression) is a Bbsus2.

OPening the song with just that chord being struck, is what makes everyone know this is Purple Rain from the opening note.

Wendy didn't invent this chord. Nor did she come up with using a Bb to open the song. But she changed it to a Bbsus2 which basically means instead of playing the "normal" middle note of major or minor chord, she played a "C" (which is the"2" of a Bb). It adds a different color to the sound.

Sus4 chords are probably more common, so using a Sus2 in a pop song really gave it a different flavor.

They might have done other stuff but from the clip it sounds like that was one of the main things W&L added that made the song what it was.

Seriously y'all..... get with it.

rainbow
Reply #129 posted 08/30/11 5:12pm

rdhull

GaryMF said:

Stop tripping y'all. As already stated, watch the PR DVD Special Edition: Wendy and LIsa flat out say they did NOT write Purple Rain, but they HELPED with it.

Specifically, Wendy says she suggested using the "SUSPENDED CHORD". Can't remember if she names the chord, but if you ever played the song, the first chord of the song (and the basic progression) is a Bbsus2.

OPening the song with just that chord being struck, is what makes everyone know this is Purple Rain from the opening note.

Wendy didn't invent this chord. Nor did she come up with using a Bb to open the song. But she changed it to a Bbsus2 which basically means instead of playing the "normal" middle note of major or minor chord, she played a "C" (which is the"2" of a Bb). It adds a different color to the sound.

Sus4 chords are probably more common, so using a Sus2 in a pop song really gave it a different flavor.

They might have done other stuff but from the clip it sounds like that was one of the main things W&L added that made the song what it was.

Seriously y'all..... get with it.

Damn G(ary) lol

Roger Ebert:rest in peace
Reply #130 posted 08/30/11 11:31pm

tangerine7

MickyDolenz said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

So this puts to rest, the over 25 year claim that Wendy & Lisa help write that song.

I don't know who wrote what. But Stevie just says Prince gave her a tape with an instrumental. That doesn't prove anything either way. She doesn't say the music was written solo or in a collaboration and Stevie wouldn't know unless she was told.

Agreed.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

As for the Original post... I've heard this Story for years.. Hearing that Stevie was asked to pen the lyrics to "Purple Rain" is definetly news to me. I guess it was destined that Prince write those lyrics.

Reply #131 posted 08/30/11 11:40pm

djThunderfunk

IshmaelB said:

early Nicks:

early Prince:

Best post of entire thread!! thumbs up!

FUNK 'EM JUST TO SEE THE LOOK ON THEIR FACE!
Reply #132 posted 08/31/11 12:38am

thedance

Mars23 said:

TheFreakerFantastic said:

This thread title is inaccurate. She didn't say he wrote Purple Rain for her, he just offered her an instrumental which, after she rejected, he later did more work on to become 'Purple Rain', that's different in my book.

Also, this doesn't disprove that W&L had input either, Stevie is talking about what sounds like an early instrumental/demo.

Both good points. A far as the thread title, well, that was what the poster chose and it did spark some discussion.

^

Incredible, why is this misleading thread title still up, even on the frontpage at prince.org!!... confused

Prince did not write Purple Rain for Stevie Nicks.

Let 2014 be purple:

I can't wait for the remaster! heart
Reply #133 posted 08/31/11 1:42am

DaveG

It Kinda works, if U think about it...

Reply #134 posted 09/01/11 6:59am

PurpleJedi

DaveG said:

It Kinda works, if U think about it...

spit

Wrong on so many levels... disbelief

By St. Boogar and all the saints at the backside door of Purgatory!
Reply #135 posted 09/02/11 6:15pm

laurarichardson

Zannaloaf said:

"So he sent her a cassette of a long instrumental track and invited her to pen lyrics."

How close to the final was it? And he hadn't written the lyrics so who contributed to that?We have no idea what the thing sounded like but jump to all kinds of conclusions.


"Kiss" started as a short acoustic demo, about a minute in length, with one verse and the chorus. Mazarati and produceDavid Z. drastically reworked the song, giving it its stripped-down sound. When Mazarati delivered the song to Prince, he decided to take back the song for himself. He replaced their lead vocal, added the guitar break in the chorus and edited the song to its present form."

Sounds like David Z. and Mazarati should have gotten writing credit too. Thats right- David Z and Mazarati fans comin' out tha woodwork... lol

David Z has said that P made that song and deserved the credit. If you had a chance to hear the Mazarati version you would understand why P s version is better.

Reply #136 posted 09/06/11 2:10pm

Zannaloaf

laurarichardson said:

Zannaloaf said:

"So he sent her a cassette of a long instrumental track and invited her to pen lyrics."

How close to the final was it? And he hadn't written the lyrics so who contributed to that?We have no idea what the thing sounded like but jump to all kinds of conclusions.


"Kiss" started as a short acoustic demo, about a minute in length, with one verse and the chorus. Mazarati and produceDavid Z. drastically reworked the song, giving it its stripped-down sound. When Mazarati delivered the song to Prince, he decided to take back the song for himself. He replaced their lead vocal, added the guitar break in the chorus and edited the song to its present form."

Sounds like David Z. and Mazarati should have gotten writing credit too. Thats right- David Z and Mazarati fans comin' out tha woodwork... lol

David Z has said that P made that song and deserved the credit. If you had a chance to hear the Mazarati version you would understand why P s version is better.

Yeah- i heard it around 1989. I heard the original too. It is CLEAR that what Mazarati and David Z. brought to the song changed the entire direction of it. Just because David Z. is humble doesn't mean he didn't have a hand in making it the song the hit we all know.

Reply #137 posted 09/06/11 10:03pm

KCOOLMUZIQ

Zannaloaf said:

laurarichardson said:

David Z has said that P made that song and deserved the credit. If you had a chance to hear the Mazarati version you would understand why P s version is better.

Yeah- i heard it around 1989. I heard the original too. It is CLEAR that what Mazarati and David Z. brought to the song changed the entire direction of it. Just because David Z. is humble doesn't mean he didn't have a hand in making it the song the hit we all know.

Mazariti & David Z was still given credit on the finished song "Kiss". Mazarati's background vocals was even left on the song. Plus Mazarti went on tour which I attended around that time. Prince gave them a hot track in return "100mph". David Z got other work from it. So it all worked out for all of them in the end. Prince turned the song in2 a masterpiece. Which really was still his son

http://culturepop.me/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Prince-Kiss-7.jpg

princes like a "ACT OF GOD" N another realm.Of all people who might b aliens,angels.if found out prince wasn't of this earth, eye would not b surprised, prince is looking 4 like-minded individuals 'Y should eye do this becuz every1 is doing it?'"
Reply #138 posted 09/08/11 6:03am

GaryMF

Mazariti & David Z was still given credit on the finished song "Kiss". Mazarati's background vocals was even left on the song. Plus Mazarti went on tour which I attended around that time. Prince gave them a hot track in return "100mph". David Z got other work from it. So it all worked out for all of them in the end. Prince turned the song in2 a masterpiece.
First, I doubt the royalties from 100mph nor the addit' tour work or production work could ever equal royalties from Kiss which 20 years later is still a staple on the radio. Second, I would argue that BOTH Prince and and David Z contributed key elements that made the song what it actually is today (vs. the original demo):

1. David Z gave it the signature drum machine beat and layered the instrumentation which you recognize from the first bar

2. Prince took that to another level adding the James Brown rhythm guitar which also is a key signature of the song.

Without these elements it's a just a standard 1 IV I V ! blues.

rainbow
Reply #139 posted 09/08/11 2:54pm

HermesReborn

JudasLChrist said:

Meloh9 said:

what about the Bob Seger connection? lol

Matt fink tells a story (I think it's in Posessessed, The Rise and Fall...):

"Purple Rain" was influenced by Bob Seger, "I told Prince to do a song like that. When we were out on the 1999 tour, Bob Seger was shadowing us, playing everywhere we went. Prince said, 'I don't understand the appeal of that stuff.' I go, 'It's like country-rock, it's white music. You should write a ballad like Bob Seger writes and you'll cross right over.' And he did!"

If you analyzed the chord progression he used on it...

its in thousands of country songs...

so it makes sense...

Reply #140 posted 09/10/11 3:43pm

JudasLChrist

HermesReborn said:

JudasLChrist said:

If you analyzed the chord progression he used on it...

its in thousands of country songs...

so it makes sense...

Really? It's kind of a weird fingering. Really open and moody. are you able to explain this any more?

Reply #141 posted 09/10/11 4:27pm

delirious

You can watch Stevie NIcks tell the story herself in video form here:

http://www.mtv.com/news/a...ince.jhtml

Reply #142 posted 09/11/11 10:27pm

HermesReborn

JudasLChrist said:

HermesReborn said:

If you analyzed the chord progression he used on it...

its in thousands of country songs...

so it makes sense...

Really? It's kind of a weird fingering. Really open and moody. are you able to explain this any more?

Never mind the qualities of the chords

it's a basic I-vi-V-IV chord progression.

Descending diatonic progression

Common in a lot of James Taylor, Folk music. country

Bob Segar used it a few times.

It's one of those tried and true chord progression that never fails.

Prince pretty much just messed with the harmonic rhythm and replaced some major chords with suspendeds.

Reply #143 posted 09/12/11 2:06pm

GaryMF

HermesReborn said:


Never mind the qualities of the chords

it's a basic I-vi-V-IV chord progression.

Descending diatonic progression

Common in a lot of James Taylor, Folk music. country

Bob Segar used it a few times.

It's one of those tried and true chord progression that never fails.

Prince pretty much just messed with the harmonic rhythm and replaced some major chords with suspendeds.

Yes..... very true. Though as been discussd an doumented, Wendy is the one who put in the suspended chords, at least the first Bbsus2 one which is kind of the song's sonic signature.

rainbow
Reply #144 posted 09/12/11 2:34pm

HermesReborn

GaryMF said:

HermesReborn said:

Never mind the qualities of the chords

it's a basic I-vi-V-IV chord progression.

Descending diatonic progression

Common in a lot of James Taylor, Folk music. country

Bob Segar used it a few times.

It's one of those tried and true chord progression that never fails.

Prince pretty much just messed with the harmonic rhythm and replaced some major chords with suspendeds.

Yes..... very true. Though as been discussd an doumented, Wendy is the one who put in the suspended chords, at least the first Bbsus2 one which is kind of the song's sonic signature.

Sus chords are always more fun then major or minor chords, least in my opinon.

But does the sus chord give it its signature stamp?

I dunno about that

I think it'd work well if it was just a Bb major chord.

I think purple rains signature is the IV, I6, ii breakdown at the end of the progression.

You can only really hear the sus acutely when Prince plays the piano reduction of Purple Rain in the movie, he's just arpeggiating the sus2 chord and giving the C more emphasis.

Reply #145 posted 09/12/11 2:41pm

marvinlcovington

sad

Reply #146 posted 09/16/11 7:46am

rdhull

im confused..its about stand back and rain...i think he and the rev worked on rain instrumental and gave it..BUT...prince had rain in the pocket first because i have Eavesdropping In Intimate Moments bootleg with Prince alone at piano playing it and other songs in a row as demo ideas such as 17 days too etc

Roger Ebert:rest in peace
Reply #147 posted 09/16/11 8:10am

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Reply #148 posted 09/16/11 8:17am

rdhull

BartVanHemelen said:

http://www.guardian.co.uk...CMP=twt_fd

yeah it says she was too scared to contribute lyrics etc..and?

and it says she wrote staqnd back as a rip of lrc where she did write the lyrics

so?

so prince had the melody and some lyrics to purple rain already..eavesdropping..and he ended up letting the other band members help in fleshing it out more

Roger Ebert:rest in peace
Reply #149 posted 09/27/11 1:13am

jojackson

ufoclub said:

Did people think Wendy and Lisa helped write the song because of the script of the movie?

lol. of course they did. people thought everything in Purple Rain was true....WRONG.

like the legend says "Prince was known to give credit to others to keep the spotlight off of himself."

it would seem akward to have a full band and all the liner notes say "Prince"

I'm sick and tired of making plans without making up my mind, teacher teacher can't u see I just need a little time.
Reply #150 posted 09/27/11 1:24am

jojackson

Zannaloaf said:

"So he sent her a cassette of a long instrumental track and invited her to pen lyrics."

How close to the final was it? And he hadn't written the lyrics so who contributed to that?We have no idea what the thing sounded like but jump to all kinds of conclusions.


"Kiss" started as a short acoustic demo, about a minute in length, with one verse and the chorus. Mazarati and produceDavid Z. drastically reworked the song, giving it its stripped-down sound. When Mazarati delivered the song to Prince, he decided to take back the song for himself. He replaced their lead vocal, added the guitar break in the chorus and edited the song to its present form."

Sounds like David Z. and Mazarati should have gotten writing credit too. Thats right- David Z and Mazarati fans comin' out tha woodwork... lol

remember, she said Prince sent a "10 min instrumental." The full version of purple rain is at least 10:45. she also said she was so scared when she was listening to it that she couldnt write. so Stevie wrote nothing, meaning she contributed nothing, but the music for Purple Rain was originally intended to be used by stevie, but since she didn't Prince had to keep it, and he wrote to it, and we now have Purple Rain.

I'm sick and tired of making plans without making up my mind, teacher teacher can't u see I just need a little time.
Reply #151 posted 10/08/11 12:09am

Jafo

She's stoned. Why is anyone here buying this? John Nelson originaly penned the instrumental version of purple rain and is even credited as so on the song and in the movie.

"Father's Song" and "Purple Rain Cues", from the film Purple Rain, 1984

That song was written for the movie along with fathers song and they are both extrememly unique and of that time and that time only. She's two years off.

Reply #152 posted 10/10/11 2:23pm

Meloh9

Jafo said:

She's stoned. Why is anyone here buying this? John Nelson originaly penned the instrumental version of purple rain and is even credited as so on the song and in the movie.

"Father's Song" and "Purple Rain Cues", from the film Purple Rain, 1984

That song was written for the movie along with fathers song and they are both extrememly unique and of that time and that time only. She's two years off.



Yeah it doesn't add up to me but who knows she could have heard a similiar track/ballad like Noon Rendevous and mistaked it for Purple Rain.

Reply #153 posted 10/10/11 3:19pm

langebleu

moderator

Jafo said:

John Nelson originaly penned the instrumental version of purple rain and is even credited as so on the song and in the movie.

John L Nelson isn't credited on either the album or the movie for any contribution to the song, 'Purple Rain'. Both words and music are credited to Prince.

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Reply #154 posted 10/20/11 9:19am

kiss712

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Zannaloaf said:

Yeah- i heard it around 1989. I heard the original too. It is CLEAR that what Mazarati and David Z. brought to the song changed the entire direction of it. Just because David Z. is humble doesn't mean he didn't have a hand in making it the song the hit we all know.

Mazariti & David Z was still given credit on the finished song "Kiss". Mazarati's background vocals was even left on the song. Plus Mazarti went on tour which I attended around that time. Prince gave them a hot track in return "100mph". David Z got other work from it. So it all worked out for all of them in the end. Prince turned the song in2 a masterpiece. Which really was still his son

http://culturepop.me/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Prince-Kiss-7.jpg

Hey! That's my profile picture!lol

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