xlr8r said:

<----shoots self in the head

There's been enough blood and death this weekend. Don't want another death!

The OP takes every word of his girlfriend serious. He'll grow out of that. No need to kill yourself over that.

funkyandy said:

The term 'creole' is almost a religion in itself...no definite validity, one of those 'oldy' words made up by 'the other' to define 'another' group of people...and has passed down through history.

Prince is what he defines himself as, not what others define him to be.

Actually, many Black Americans living in New Orleans have ancestors that came from Haiti to New Orleans, and brought much of their African/French/Spanish/Amerindian cultures with them there. Not all have all these ethincities in their lineage, but many of them have one or more in their lineage, as well as many people from the Caribbean islands who carry some of these lineages as well. This is something that is rarely admitted, but true. A lot of the so-called Creole culture is very similar to West Indian culture. Both terms are often misused or misunderstood, due to lack of education among those who don't take the time to get the facts and correct definition of the terms.

Creole has also been used to define a child born from parents, where both parents are from a different race group, including more than one. It's an "old" term like you said, and you will find "biracial or mixed" used instead these days. Another thing many are still uneducated about in the year 2011, is their lack of knowledge that Black Americans have various lineages in their blood line, which is a fact. Many non-Blacks, have a habit of judging Blacks according to complexion, and will automatically dismiss a darker-skinned Black from not having mixed lineage, and lumping them in one bowl, and on the other hand, I find many do the same to lighter-skinned Blacks, where they (non-blacks) try to diminish or water-down the African ancestry of Blacks, based on their lack of education regarding the various ethnicities/cultures of Blacks as a whole.

FACT: *All Black Americans who are descendants of African slaves whose African ancestors were in a situation, where their blood was mixed from individuals from a non-Black African ethnic group, (i.e. Europeans/Native Americans/Asian, etc.), are not and never will be 100% Black Africans, because of the mixture from other groups within the DNA of Black Americans, in which this has been researched/tested/proven by many genetic scientists/anthropologists in present day. Now unless someone can disprove what I've stated here, then bring it on. This info is not widely embraced by many within society, either due to lack of knowledge/ignorance or the unwillingness to accept an uncomfortable truth, many in society would rather ignore than embrace.

Sorry if that sounds harsh, but it's a fact. However, Black Americans are not just descendants of many Black African groups, but other non-Black African groups as well, whether even they (Black Americans) want to accept that or not. A simple DNA test will confirm this. This is not to dismiss, discredit or degrade, the many beautiful cultures, various shades from very, light-skinned to indigo complexions, that makeup the many, beautiful ethnic groups of Black Americans as a whole, complete with their many lineages, but it is just to give a more clear view of what is often dismissed and disrespected or just unknown due to the ignorance of many non-Blacks, who have no/or limited education about Black Americans as a whole.

A little effort doesn't take much time for anyone to learn about them, especially when that information is available through a plethora of educational sources in present day. But with all that being said, more importantly, despite the racial/cultural differences/similarities/religious beliefs/physical appearances, etc., between us all as humans, we're still all part of the human species.

*"A few edits to 3rd paragraph, edit"

[Edited 7/25/11 8:30am]

2elijah said:

funkyandy said:

The term 'creole' is almost a religion in itself...no definite validity, one of those 'oldy' words made up by 'the other' to define 'another' group of people...and has passed down through history.

Prince is what he defines himself as, not what others define him to be.

Actually, many Black Americans living in New Orleans have ancestors that came from Haiti to New Orleans, and brought much of their African/French/Spanish/Amerindian cultures with them there. Not all have all these ethincities in their lineage, but many of them have one or more in their lineage, as well as many people from the Caribbean islands who carry some of these lineages as well. This is something that is rarely admitted, but true. A lot of the so-called Creole culture is very similar to West Indian culture. Both terms are often misused or misunderstood, due to lack of education among those who don't take the time to get the facts and correct definition of the terms.

Creole has also been used to define a child born from parents, where both parents are from a different race group, including more than one. It's an "old" term like you said, and you will find "biracial or mixed" used instead these days. Another thing many are still uneducated about in the year 2011, is their lack of knowledge that Black Americans have various lineages in their blood line, which is a fact. Many non-Blacks, have a habit of judging Blacks according to complexion, and will automatically dismiss a darker-skinned Black from not having mixed lineage, and lumping them in one bowl, and on the other hand, I find many do the same to lighter-skinned Blacks, where they try to diminish or water-down ther African ancestry of Blacks, based on their lack of education regarding the various ethnicities/cultures of Blacks as a whole.

FACT: All Black Americans who are descendants of African slaves whose ancestors were in a situation, where their blood was mixed outside of a non-African ethnic group, and produced children, are not and never will be 100% from a Black African ethnic group, and that's a fact. Sorry if that sounds harsh, but it's a fact. However, they are descendants of Black African groups, as well as others. A simple DNA test will prove that. This is not to dismiss, discredit or degrade, the many beautiful cultures, various shades from very, light-skinned to indigo, that makeup the many, beautiful ethnic groups of Black Americans as a whole, complete with their many lineages, but it is just to give a more clear view of what is often dismissed and disrespected or just unknown due to the ignorance of many non-Blacks, who have no or limited education about Black Americans as a whole.

A little effort doesn't take much time for anyone to learn about them, especially when that information is available through a plethora of educational sources in present day. But with all that being said, more importantly, despite the racial/cultural differences/religious beliefs/physical appearances, etc., between us all as humans, we're still all part of the human species.

[Edited 7/24/11 10:17am]

And there you have it, simple logic, from one of the most logical people on the Org!

THIS^^^^ is why I love you duecy!

purplethunder3121 said:

2elijah said:

Actually, many Black Americans living in New Orleans have ancestors that came from Haiti to New Orleans, and brought much of their African/French/Spanish/Amerindian cultures with them there. Not all have all these ethincities in their lineage, but many of them have one or more in their lineage, as well as many people from the Caribbean islands who carry some of these lineages as well. This is something that is rarely admitted, but true. A lot of the so-called Creole culture is very similar to West Indian culture. Both terms are often misused or misunderstood, due to lack of education among those who don't take the time to get the facts and correct definition of the terms.

Creole has also been used to define a child born from parents, where both parents are from a different race group, including more than one. It's an "old" term like you said, and you will find "biracial or mixed" used instead these days. Another thing many are still uneducated about in the year 2011, is their lack of knowledge that Black Americans have various lineages in their blood line, which is a fact. Many non-Blacks, have a habit of judging Blacks according to complexion, and will automatically dismiss a darker-skinned Black from not having mixed lineage, and lumping them in one bowl, and on the other hand, I find many do the same to lighter-skinned Blacks, where they try to diminish or water-down ther African ancestry of Blacks, based on their lack of education regarding the various ethnicities/cultures of Blacks as a whole.

FACT: All Black Americans who are descendants of African slaves whose ancestors were in a situation, where their blood was mixed outside of a non-African ethnic group, and produced children, are not and never will be 100% from a Black African ethnic group, and that's a fact. Sorry if that sounds harsh, but it's a fact. However, they are descendants of Black African groups, as well as others. A simple DNA test will prove that. This is not to dismiss, discredit or degrade, the many beautiful cultures, various shades from very, light-skinned to indigo, that makeup the many, beautiful ethnic groups of Black Americans as a whole, complete with their many lineages, but it is just to give a more clear view of what is often dismissed and disrespected or just unknown due to the ignorance of many non-Blacks, who have no or limited education about Black Americans as a whole.

A little effort doesn't take much time for anyone to learn about them, especially when that information is available through a plethora of educational sources in present day. But with all that being said, more importantly, despite the racial/cultural differences/religious beliefs/physical appearances, etc., between us all as humans, we're still all part of the human species.

[Edited 7/24/11 10:17am]

And there you have it, simple logic, from one of the most logical people on the Org!

Lol....thanks, appreciate that. ((hugs)).

paintedlady said:

THIS^^^^ is why I love you duecy!

Hola! My Puerto Rican sister from another mother. . Haven't spoke to you in a while. I can't get over you're still calling me that nickname "Deucy" my former org brother "muthafunka" gave me. I sure miss the guy. But thanks for the compliment and you know the feeling is mutual.

It just takes a little effort for people to educate themselves about any group of people in this world. It's 2011, and some are still living by stereotypical and ignorant information, based on sheer laziness to do the work themselves.

2elijah said:

paintedlady said:

THIS^^^^ is why I love you duecy!

Hola! My Puerto Rican sister from another mother. . Haven't spoke to you in a while. I can't get over you're still calling me that nickname "Deucy" my former org brother "muthafunka" gave me. I sure miss the guy. But thanks for the compliment and you know the feeling is mutual.

It just takes a little effort for people to educate themselves about any group of people in this world. It's 2011, and some are still living by stereotypical and ignorant information, based on sheer laziness to do the work themselves.

One never stops learning about culture... its fun and the more you learn the more your realize we are all the same.

I miss muthafunka too. You know if we ever meet I may call you that in person, folks who know you will be like...

paintedlady said:

2elijah said:

Hola! My Puerto Rican sister from another mother. . Haven't spoke to you in a while. I can't get over you're still calling me that nickname "Deucy" my former org brother "muthafunka" gave me. I sure miss the guy. But thanks for the compliment and you know the feeling is mutual.

It just takes a little effort for people to educate themselves about any group of people in this world. It's 2011, and some are still living by stereotypical and ignorant information, based on sheer laziness to do the work themselves.

One never stops learning about culture... its fun and the more you learn the more your realize we are all the same.

I miss muthafunka too. You know if we ever meet I may call you that in person, folks who know you will be like...

I guess he took that as a spin off the "2" in my username, and just think, that's how I got stuck with it.

BobPaisleyPark said:

My girlfriend is Jewish and she claims every entertainer is Jewish and she said that Prince's mother was Jewish, with a name like Shaw I always suspected she was part Irish.

Is Prince's mom Jewish?

That would mean he's half Jewish. Please prove my girlfriend wrong.

[Edited 7/23/11 21:45pm]

All entertainers are Jewish? As hard as it may be to believe, this statement is more stupid and ignorant than anything Prince has ever said...

NouveauDance said:

Whoever heard of a Philipino Jew?

[Edited 7/24/11 17:58pm]

NouveauDance said:

Whoever heard of a Philipino Jew?

Rob Schneider (Deuce Bigalow) is one quarter Filipino and the rest Jewish American

soulpride said:

I'm a Hispanic Muslim, born and raised in a household of a Cristian and an Atheiest, now my ex fiance/my daughter's father is African American on his mother's side and Hebrew on by his father now yes he is Jewish, he doesn't deny that Judiasm has been in his upbringing and he does comply with like circumcision and what not but his preference and religion of choice is Islam through the NOI which follows Farrakan, nevertheless take me for example, I have been a slave all my life to what I am on paper, even tho there's a possibility that I may even have black AND white in me through my dead granparentsfrom things I've seen and heard, it's hard and it hurts to go through lie not fully knowing who you are and where you come from, you then have to find your own path double time, you question what you say, what you do, who you date, cause people think or feel that you need to be stuffed into a cookie cutter, I go places people don't know what the hell I am, I am from the east coast, midwest, and west coast so I get it all the time what are and where are you from, as long as you know God and Yourself that's what matters to Hell with what people think -Peace

I don't know next to nothing about my father's people. As a descdant of US slaves... I have no clue what region of that vast continent of Africa that my ancestors came from. So what? I keep it moving. That missing part of my history starts here and now with me.

There is some liberating freedom in not being dictated by someone (long dead) choices in life.

[Edited 7/24/11 18:00pm]

soulpride said:

I'm a Hispanic Muslim, born and raised in a household of a Cristian and an Atheiest, now my ex fiance/my daughter's father is African American on his mother's side and Hebrew on by his father now yes he is Jewish, he doesn't deny that Judiasm has been in his upbringing and he does comply with like circumcision and what not but his preference and religion of choice is Islam through the NOI which follows Farrakan, nevertheless take me for example, I have been a slave all my life to what I am on paper, even tho there's a possibility that I may even have black AND white in me through my dead granparentsfrom things I've seen and heard, it's hard and it hurts to go through lie not fully knowing who you are and where you come from, you then have to find your own path double time, you question what you say, what you do, who you date, cause people think or feel that you need to be stuffed into a cookie cutter, I go places people don't know what the hell I am, I am from the east coast, midwest, and west coast so I get it all the time what are and where are you from, as long as you know God and Yourself that's what matters to Hell with what people think -Peace

I don't know next to nothing about my father's people. As a descdant of US slaves... I have no clue what region of that vast continent of Africa that my ancestors came from. So what? I keep it moving. That missing part of my history starts here and now with me.

There is some liberating freedom in not being dictated by someone (long dead) choices in life.

prodigalfan said:

soulpride said:

I'm a Hispanic Muslim, born and raised in a household of a Cristian and an Atheiest, now my ex fiance/my daughter's father is African American on his mother's side and Hebrew on by his father now yes he is Jewish, he doesn't deny that Judiasm has been in his upbringing and he does comply with like circumcision and what not but his preference and religion of choice is Islam through the NOI which follows Farrakan, nevertheless take me for example, I have been a slave all my life to what I am on paper, even tho there's a possibility that I may even have black AND white in me through my dead granparentsfrom things I've seen and heard, it's hard and it hurts to go through lie not fully knowing who you are and where you come from, you then have to find your own path double time, you question what you say, what you do, who you date, cause people think or feel that you need to be stuffed into a cookie cutter, I go places people don't know what the hell I am, I am from the east coast, midwest, and west coast so I get it all the time what are and where are you from, as long as you know God and Yourself that's what matters to Hell with what people think -Peace

It is at this point that you have to look in the mirror and decide THAT is who you are, and where you come from.

I don't know next to nothing about my father's people. As a descdant of US slaves... I have no clue what region of that vast continent of Africa that my ancestors came from. So what? I keep it moving. That missing part of my history starts here and now with me.

There is some liberating freedom in not being dictated by someone (long dead) choices in life.

For some people, their history is important to them, after all, if you don't know where you come from, you don't know fully know who you are. For some they don't care and that's fine, but it is a beautiful thing when you research your history, and embrace it and find out who you inherited many of your interests/talents/personality/gifts from. I did hear Prince say on George Lopez, that he is not sure what his mother's father, i.e. racial background/ethnicity is, and there's nothing wrong with that. He has a right to know, despite what others think. Like I stated in my previous posts, the majority of Black Americans, who are descendants of slaves, just like Prince's family, have mixed lineages, and that's a fact that can't be denied, mainly because of the transatlantic slave trade and what took place back then. Of course this takes nothing away from their African ancestry, unless some choose to deny or dismiss it.

People tend to judge most Black Americans, (those not directly from two parents of an African ethnic group) according to their complexions, and when they see a person of a darker hue, immediately many people who are ignorant of the culture/ethnicities of Black Americans, think that person could not possibly be anything other than of full Black African ancestry, well, I guarantee if you test the darkest Black American's DNA, you will be mighty surprised, to know they carry other lineages, besides their Black African ancestors. It's not just lighter-skinned Blacks, as some have been ignorantly taught.

Who knows, Prince's mother's father may have very well be of another race/ethnicity, that would not be unusual, nor does it make him any less a member of the Black culture in America if she is. How he chooses to embrace/define himself to the world is his choice, to be honest, not ours.

All Black Americans have non-Black relatives/mixed in their past, regardless of how fair, light, dark-skinned they are or what religion any of their relatives practice(d). This is nothing new among Black Americans, only for those who are ignorant of the various cultures/ethnic and religious groups within Black American groups. Black just doesn't define one's skin color, it also encompasses the various ancestries/history/various cultures/sub-cultures/ethnicities, etc., of Blacks as a whole group. Similar way many Europeans define themselves by society's label of "White", (which no one seems to question as much as they do with Blacks) but come from various cultures/ethnic goups/have their own histories/religiious groups, and ancestors.

[Edited 7/24/11 18:27pm]

2elijah said:

prodigalfan said:

It is at this point that you have to look in the mirror and decide THAT is who you are, and where you come from.

I don't know next to nothing about my father's people. As a descdant of US slaves... I have no clue what region of that vast continent of Africa that my ancestors came from. So what? I keep it moving. That missing part of my history starts here and now with me.

There is some liberating freedom in not being dictated by someone (long dead) choices in life.

For some people, their history is important to them, after all, if you don't know where you come from, you don't know fully know who you are. For some they don't care and that's fine, but it is a beautiful thing when you research your history, and embrace it and find out who you inherited many of your interests/talents/personality/gifts from. I did hear Prince say on George Lopez, that he is not sure what his mother's father, i.e. racial background/ethnicity is, and there's nothing wrong with that. He has a right to know, despite what others think. Like I stated in my previous posts, the majority of Black Americans, who are descendants of slaves, just like Prince's family, have mixed lineages, and that's a fact that can't be denied, mainly because of the transatlantic slave trade and what took place back then.

People tend to judge most Black Americans, (those not directly from two parents of an African ethnic group) according to their complexions, and when they see a person of a darker hue, immediately many people who are ignorant of the culture/ethnicities of Black Americans, think that person could not possibly be anything other than of full Black African ancestry, well, I guarantee if you test the darkest Black American's DNA, you will be mighty surprised, to know they carry other lineages, besides their Black African ancestors. It's not just lighter-skinned Blacks, as some have been ignorantly taught.

Who knows, Prince's mother's father may have very well be of another race/ethnicity, that would not be unusual, nor does it make him any less a member of the Black culture in America if she is. How he chooses to embrace/define himself to the world is his choice, to be honest, not ours.

All Black Americans have non-Black relatives/mixed in their past, regardless of how fair, light, dark-skinned they are or what religion any of their relatives practice(d). This is nothing new among Black Americans, only for those who are ignorant of the various cultures/ethnic and religious groups within Black American groups. Black just doesn't define one's skin color, it also encompasses the various ancestries/history/various cultures of Blacks as a whole group. Similar way many Europeans define themselves by society's label of "White", (which no one seems to question as much as they do with Blacks)but come from various cultures/ethnic goups/have their own histories/and ancestors.

[Edited 7/24/11 18:24pm]

funkyandy said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Which part the part about not knowing who is mothers father was? He was serious about that part

Oh he was serious? Glad someone has a direct insight into Prince's mind.

The definition of 'creole' according to you then seems to have developed from a narrow definition then extending into something wider & wider = now meaningless.

I'm with hsh though, it really doesn't matter to moi.

always a dumb smart ass somewhere

It was pretty clear that he was talking seriously, I guess I could turn that around on you and say you think you have direct insight into Prince's mind to say he was just joking

No Creole is a defined culture, it's alive and well in Louisiana as well as in the Dominican Republic and other islands

Just do some research, the world is so much bigger than the block you live on

prodigalfan said:

2elijah said:

For some people, their history is important to them, after all, if you don't know where you come from, you don't know fully know who you are. For some they don't care and that's fine, but it is a beautiful thing when you research your history, and embrace it and find out who you inherited many of your interests/talents/personality/gifts from. I did hear Prince say on George Lopez, that he is not sure what his mother's father, i.e. racial background/ethnicity is, and there's nothing wrong with that. He has a right to know, despite what others think. Like I stated in my previous posts, the majority of Black Americans, who are descendants of slaves, just like Prince's family, have mixed lineages, and that's a fact that can't be denied, mainly because of the transatlantic slave trade and what took place back then.

People tend to judge most Black Americans, (those not directly from two parents of an African ethnic group) according to their complexions, and when they see a person of a darker hue, immediately many people who are ignorant of the culture/ethnicities of Black Americans, think that person could not possibly be anything other than of full Black African ancestry, well, I guarantee if you test the darkest Black American's DNA, you will be mighty surprised, to know they carry other lineages, besides their Black African ancestors. It's not just lighter-skinned Blacks, as some have been ignorantly taught.

Who knows, Prince's mother's father may have very well be of another race/ethnicity, that would not be unusual, nor does it make him any less a member of the Black culture in America if she is. How he chooses to embrace/define himself to the world is his choice, to be honest, not ours.

All Black Americans have non-Black relatives/mixed in their past, regardless of how fair, light, dark-skinned they are or what religion any of their relatives practice(d). This is nothing new among Black Americans, only for those who are ignorant of the various cultures/ethnic and religious groups within Black American groups. Black just doesn't define one's skin color, it also encompasses the various ancestries/history/various cultures of Blacks as a whole group. Similar way many Europeans define themselves by society's label of "White", (which no one seems to question as much as they do with Blacks)but come from various cultures/ethnic goups/have their own histories/and ancestors.

[Edited 7/24/11 18:24pm]

I agree with everything you are saying here, but if you have no way of finding out... it is time to letitigo. Instead of getting depressed and thinking you are some how "incomplete" as an individual. Put it this way, I don't know all of my lineage... and I don't feel incomplete, depressed etc. I just move FORWARD. The only time I really regret not knowing and consider attempting to find out is when the issue of medical history come up. But otherwise... got to letitgo... keep it moving. I have a life to live.

Honestly, no disrespect, but if they're already going on with their present, everyday life, they are not really making that much of a setback in their lives, now are they? If it's that personal and important to their identity, there is nothing wrong with searching one's history, if a person feels it will bring them some type of closure or answers to their identity. Point is, it's better to try, than have regrets that you didn't. If the search comes to a roadblock, then it will be something the individual will have to accept sooner or later. But telling them to move on does not always come easy, especially since it's not your life.

I'm sure you would not tell that to an adopted child, who as an adult, feels the need to search for his/her biolgical parent(s), or other relatives, which to them, may bring them some form of peace or answers/closure to his/her identity. It's very easy to tell someone to move on when their situation is not yours.

[Edited 7/24/11 19:09pm]

I'm amused when a hit & run thread gets more than fifty responses especially when the OP never returns to comment, it happens often enough throughout the forums. In all of Prince's recorded and covered history, has he ever done anything associated with Judism ( Hannukah, Yom Kippur, Passover, a yarmukle -sp- ) ? NO. So why believe someone when there is no evidence to support their claims. Carry on my wayward orgers.

UncleGrandpa said:

I'm amused when a hit & run thread gets more than fifty responses especially when the OP never returns to comment, it happens often enough throughout the forums. In all of Prince's recorded and covered history, has he ever done anything associated with Judism ( Hannukah, Yom Kippur, Passover, a yarmukle -sp- ) ? NO. So why believe someone when there is no evidence to support their claims. Carry on my wayward orgers.

Actually, the OP did return and responded to a few posts, but I do agree with what you've stated. Anyway, with that being said, everyone have a good night.

[Edited 7/24/11 19:18pm]