[I base this thread off of reading how so many people always getting defensive over their favorite artist. Defending music is one thing, but everything else outside of that is kinda....pointless imho]

I know this is Prince fan site, & I'm a fan. But here's what I don't get, why do fans want to defend someone they don't even know? Just because you love & know someones music [or whatever else they're famous for], that doesn't mean you know them personally at all. Who on this site truly knows Prince personally enough to defend anything he's ever done? If he is a jerk, maybe he has a reason, maybe not. If he is truly being picked at or bullied for no reason, we really don't know most of the time [as much as we think]. Whoever we're fans of, we really can't defend anything they do because we don't truly know them at all. I find this hilarious to think you can defend someone you've never even spent any real time with it on a personal level whatsoever.....

its called sympathy for the devil

thisisit said:

its called sympathy for the devil

I guess I don't have much then....

Tittypants said:

thisisit said:

its called sympathy for the devil

I guess I don't have much then....

thats ok. you can side with the angels if you want but it's much harder.

me i swing both ways

I know the concept is weird when you try to think about if from an outside perspective...

It happened with Prince, it happened with Michael, and now it happens with Justin Bieber...

Being a 'devoted' MJ fan, defending him is almost a second permanent job although with times we just get tired of fighting against people who don't want to get their facts straight, but I guess it's part of being a FAN, not in the sense of 'yeah his music is cool' but 'yeah, the man is awesome and a great human being despite making mistakes like any normal human being'.

On the other hand, why defend any religion? Have they ever met their God? spent time with him? Had a dinner with him so they can have a true opinion of what he really is and what he really wants for the world?

Our idols today are our modern prophets (no blasphemy intented, only facts) and I see nothing wrong in defending someone who, for you, is doing the right thing or something you think is valuable and should be promoted. Of course, we don't know these people in real life, but despite our 'almost' blind love, we are still intelligent enough to see what's good and what's wrong, and even if most people get their facts from the media (who are total a$$holes), many of us also get their facts from reliable sources like family, friends of the person you like, and from that you can only make you own opinion and defend what you think is defendable as, in the end, not every fan will have the same version of 'what is defendable (or true)' as you have.

Being a 'real' fan of someone is almost like having a new family member, if someone would insult your sister or your father, who'd defend them probably (if they are defendable of course) then, as for an example again, as a Michael fan, as crazy as it sounds for people outside this 'world' for me Michael is closer to me than any other member of my family, he raised me, he taught me good values, he inspired me to be better, he offered me some ways to be happy... So yes, even if we never met, I feel I can be entitled to defend him when I hear someone saying bad things about him. Same for Prince, even if for him, it's so much easier as the only thing people where I live are asking is if he's gay, something that, wheter the asnwer is yes or no, will always be defendable.

And, at the end of the day, spreading some kind of love for someone you don't really know by defending them isn't it better than spreading some kind of hate about someone you don't really know by saying mean things about them?

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Tittypants said:

[I base this thread off of reading how so many people always getting defensive over their favorite artist. Defending music is one thing, but everything else outside of that is kinda....pointless imho]

I know this is Prince fan site, & I'm a fan. But here's what I don't get, why do fans want to defend someone they don't even know?

its a two way street. maybe its because there are so many people on the internet who bash these people personally without knowing them. if people werent blindly bashing them there would be no need (or desire?) to defend them. the anonymity of the internet makes some people feel very comfortable saying things about people they would never say to someones face.

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carinemjj said:

I know the concept is weird when you try to think about if from an outside perspective...

It happened with Prince, it happened with Michael, and now it happens with Justin Bieber...

Being a 'devoted' MJ fan, defending him is almost a second permanent job although with times we just get tired of fighting against people who don't want to get their facts straight, but I guess it's part of being a FAN, not in the sense of 'yeah his music is cool' but 'yeah, the man is awesome and a great human being despite making mistakes like any normal human being'.

On the other hand, why defend any religion? Have they ever met their God? spent time with him? Had a dinner with him so they can have a true opinion of what he really is and what he really wants for the world?

Our idols today are our modern prophets (no blasphemy intented, only facts) and I see nothing wrong in defending someone who, for you, is doing the right thing or something you think is valuable and should be promoted. Of course, we don't know these people in real life, but despite our 'almost' blind love, we are still intelligent enough to see what's good and what's wrong, and even if most people get their facts from the media (who are total a$$holes), many of us also get their facts from reliable sources like family, friends of the person you like, and from that you can only make you own opinion and defend what you think is defendable as, in the end, not every fan will have the same version of 'what is defendable (or true)' as you have.

Being a 'real' fan of someone is almost like having a new family member, if someone would insult your sister or your father, who'd defend them probably (if they are defendable of course) then, as for an example again, as a Michael fan, as crazy as it sounds for people outside this 'world' for me Michael is closer to me than any other member of my family, he raised me, he taught me good values, he inspired me to be better, he offered me some ways to be happy... So yes, even if we never met, I feel I can be entitled to defend him when I hear someone saying bad things about him. Same for Prince, even if for him, it's so much easier as the only thing people where I live are asking is if he's gay, something that, wheter the asnwer is yes or no, will always be defendable.

And, at the end of the day, spreading some kind of love for someone you don't really know by defending them isn't it better than spreading some kind of hate about someone you don't really know by saying mean things about them?

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I'm fans of both MJ & Prince equally, but I'm not going to defend them [or anyone I don't know personally] anymore for anything. There's no use when ultimately, we don't know these people. We have no clue who they really are [or were]. You can feel whatever way you want about religion imho. We put Celebs on a higher level for no reason. I'll feel bad that you had to have MJ raise you. I feel bad for anybody who may not have the home support they need [I'm only saying this because you say you feel closer to MJ then your family], I only admire the talented & art these artist create. I respect what they've done, but I can't defend any of their personal actions...

I think it's a human nature. When somebody has done something that impacts your life in a positive way you feel the need to defend that person, when they are attacked. You feel a sense love toward the person for the positive impact they had on your life through a song or album.

But of course the flip side of your question is why attack somebody who you don't personally know. You don't personally know Prince... Why make a judgement on his actions? For you don't know him or his reasoning behind his actions.

If nobdy is attacking Prince on this message baord. Then there is nobody to defend him.

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Tittypants said:

[I base this thread off of reading how so many people always getting defensive over their favorite artist. Defending music is one thing, but everything else outside of that is kinda....pointless imho]

I know this is Prince fan site, & I'm a fan. But here's what I don't get, why do fans want to defend someone they don't even know? Just because you love & know someones music [or whatever else they're famous for], that doesn't mean you know them personally at all. Who on this site truly knows Prince personally enough to defend anything he's ever done? If he is a jerk, maybe he has a reason, maybe not. If he is truly being picked at or bullied for no reason, we really don't know most of the time [as much as we think]. Whoever we're fans of, we really can't defend anything they do because we don't truly know them at all. I find this hilarious to think you can defend someone you've never even spent any real time with it on a personal level whatsoever.....

You find it hilarious? Who cares. I like Prince and I don't like people just shitting on him for the hell of it. You have a problem with that? So what.

You suck, Titty.

*realizes that doesn't sound right; stomps out*

savagedreams said:

Tittypants said:

[I base this thread off of reading how so many people always getting defensive over their favorite artist. Defending music is one thing, but everything else outside of that is kinda....pointless imho]

I know this is Prince fan site, & I'm a fan. But here's what I don't get, why do fans want to defend someone they don't even know?

its a two way street. maybe its because there are so many people on the internet who bash these people personally without knowing them. if people werent blindly bashing them there would be no need (or desire?) to defend them. the anonymity of the internet makes some people feel very comfortable saying things about people they would never say to someones face.

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For this. you. are. AWESOME.

*stomps back out again*

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Tittypants said:

carinemjj said:

I know the concept is weird when you try to think about if from an outside perspective...

It happened with Prince, it happened with Michael, and now it happens with Justin Bieber...

Being a 'devoted' MJ fan, defending him is almost a second permanent job although with times we just get tired of fighting against people who don't want to get their facts straight, but I guess it's part of being a FAN, not in the sense of 'yeah his music is cool' but 'yeah, the man is awesome and a great human being despite making mistakes like any normal human being'.

On the other hand, why defend any religion? Have they ever met their God? spent time with him? Had a dinner with him so they can have a true opinion of what he really is and what he really wants for the world?

Our idols today are our modern prophets (no blasphemy intented, only facts) and I see nothing wrong in defending someone who, for you, is doing the right thing or something you think is valuable and should be promoted. Of course, we don't know these people in real life, but despite our 'almost' blind love, we are still intelligent enough to see what's good and what's wrong, and even if most people get their facts from the media (who are total a$$holes), many of us also get their facts from reliable sources like family, friends of the person you like, and from that you can only make you own opinion and defend what you think is defendable as, in the end, not every fan will have the same version of 'what is defendable (or true)' as you have.

Being a 'real' fan of someone is almost like having a new family member, if someone would insult your sister or your father, who'd defend them probably (if they are defendable of course) then, as for an example again, as a Michael fan, as crazy as it sounds for people outside this 'world' for me Michael is closer to me than any other member of my family, he raised me, he taught me good values, he inspired me to be better, he offered me some ways to be happy... So yes, even if we never met, I feel I can be entitled to defend him when I hear someone saying bad things about him. Same for Prince, even if for him, it's so much easier as the only thing people where I live are asking is if he's gay, something that, wheter the asnwer is yes or no, will always be defendable.

And, at the end of the day, spreading some kind of love for someone you don't really know by defending them isn't it better than spreading some kind of hate about someone you don't really know by saying mean things about them?

[Edited 6/22/11 20:17pm]

I'm fans of both MJ & Prince equally, but I'm not going to defend them [or anyone I don't know personally] anymore for anything. There's no use when ultimately, we don't know these people. We have no clue who they really are [or were]. You can feel whatever way you want about religion imho. We put Celebs on a higher level for no reason. I'll feel bad that you had to have MJ raise you. I feel bad for anybody who may not have the home support they need [I'm only saying this because you say you feel closer to MJ then your family], I only admire the talented & art these artist create. I respect what they've done, but I can't defend any of their personal actions...

Perception, my friend. Everyone thinks differently.

You could also ask why people feel the need to attack him on a personal level(beyond the music) without knowing him. It's a two way street on this site. There are those who defend and those who denegrate Prince without any personal knowledge of why he does anything. Then it goes to the next level of either being labelled a HATER or a FAM.

Human nature is to destroy/degrade what we do not understand or do not wish to understand. At least those who are defending are coming from a positive place.

armpit said:

Tittypants said:

[I base this thread off of reading how so many people always getting defensive over their favorite artist. Defending music is one thing, but everything else outside of that is kinda....pointless imho]

I know this is Prince fan site, & I'm a fan. But here's what I don't get, why do fans want to defend someone they don't even know? Just because you love & know someones music [or whatever else they're famous for], that doesn't mean you know them personally at all. Who on this site truly knows Prince personally enough to defend anything he's ever done? If he is a jerk, maybe he has a reason, maybe not. If he is truly being picked at or bullied for no reason, we really don't know most of the time [as much as we think]. Whoever we're fans of, we really can't defend anything they do because we don't truly know them at all. I find this hilarious to think you can defend someone you've never even spent any real time with it on a personal level whatsoever.....

You find it hilarious? Who cares. I like Prince and I don't like people just shitting on him for the hell of it. You have a problem with that? So what.

You suck, Titty.

*realizes that doesn't sound right; stomps out*

Hey 'pit, I think you might take mostly all of these threads too serious. You constantly have a grudge against me, yet you still comment on my threads. I would think that you'd learn to ignore them seeing that I'm so wrong about everything involving Prince [in your opinion]. I never talk trash to you, so why do have to talk it to me? Can't we agree to disagree? [Mostly] Everyone else speaks their mind without the extra little trash talk....you seem a little too sensitive imho...

a better question would be, why attack him on his personal life when you don't even know him?

hhhhdmt said:

a better question would be, why attack him on his personal life when you don't even know him?

Which is why I no longer care to discuss his personal life myself. I don't know the guy . I thought about this when I made a certain "infamous" thread a couple weeks ago. Today, I'm a changed man, thanks people of Prince.org!

hhhhdmt said:

a better question would be, why attack him on his personal life when you don't even know him?

Agreed. But some of the attacks on Prince are so one sided without an opposing viewpoint. Nobody here represents Prince's point of view. That's why the disagreements should be civil and take it into account that it is easy to ridicule someone who is not in front of you-especially when you don't have all the facts, but instead an impression of the "facts."

I believe that most of the "nasty" attitude on the ORG (and world) is best summed up by the expression, you feel taller when your pushing somebody down.

HonestMan13 said:

You could also ask why people feel the need to attack him on a personal level(beyond the music) without knowing him. It's a two way street on this site. There are those who defend and those who denegrate Prince without any personal knowledge of why he does anything. Then it goes to the next level of either being labelled a HATER or a FAM.

Human nature is to destroy/degrade what we do not understand or do not wish to understand. At least those who are defending are coming from a positive place.

i SOOOOOOOO concur.. I don't know him.. but I respect him regardless. I don't go overboard but some people REALLLLLLY hate on the brotha.. SO DAMMIT I AM TAKIN ALL FADES.. DON'T DISS PRINCE .. ok just kidding.. but i do agree HonestMan13.. people on here always take it outside the music.. so I will lowkey defend him "within reason"..

titty because when u attack him people take it as an attack on the part of themselves that identify with him in a positive way. people have their own story of prince in their heads according to how he influenced their lives. they have their own perception on who he is, what he stands for, how he feels, why he does what he does, or why he doesnt do what he doesnt do, and everyone's story is unique, so if you say anything that might contradict someone else's viewpoint, there will be an opposite response according to the image of prince that people carry around with them.

he's easy to love and he's easy to hate, and thats why i love him.

thisisit said:

titty because when u attack him people take it as an attack on the part of themselves that identify with him in a positive way. people have their own story of prince in their heads according to how he influenced their lives. they have their own perception on who he is, what he stands for, how he feels, why he does what he does, or why he doesnt do what he doesnt do, and everyone's story is unique, so if you say anything that might contradict someone else's viewpoint, there will be an opposite response according to the image of prince that people carry around with them.

he's easy to love and he's easy to hate, and thats why i love him.

I don't hate Prince at all, I wouldn't be here if I did. I make certain threads to get a point of view I may not have. I like seeing others opinions of what I think, sometimes I see things I didn't see before. Which is good. I also feel that some might think about my opinions too....That's what this site is about, right? Opinions & discussions?

P2daP said:

I think it's a human nature. When somebody has done something that impacts your life in a positive way you feel the need to defend that person, when they are attacked. You feel a sense love toward the person for the positive impact they had on your life through a song or album.

But of course the flip side of your question is why attack somebody who you don't personally know. You don't personally know Prince... Why make a judgement on his actions? For you don't know him or his reasoning behind his actions.

If nobdy is attacking Prince on this message baord. Then there is nobody to defend him.

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.

I'd be interest to find a stat showing how many die hard MJ / Prince defenders are also religious.

Those that find such a positive impact in stories of old or lyrics of a songs could be of similar ilk, easily lead and quick to defend what is in reality, their own weakness.

Tittypants said:

thisisit said:

titty because when u attack him people take it as an attack on the part of themselves that identify with him in a positive way. people have their own story of prince in their heads according to how he influenced their lives. they have their own perception on who he is, what he stands for, how he feels, why he does what he does, or why he doesnt do what he doesnt do, and everyone's story is unique, so if you say anything that might contradict someone else's viewpoint, there will be an opposite response according to the image of prince that people carry around with them.

he's easy to love and he's easy to hate, and thats why i love him.

I don't hate Prince at all, I wouldn't be here if I did. I make certain threads to get a point of view I may not have. I like seeing others opinions of what I think, sometimes I see things I didn't see before. Which is good. I also feel that some might think about my opinions too....That's what this site is about, right? Opinions & discussions?

yes, including defense

SquirrelMeat said:

I'd be interest to find a stat showing how many die hard MJ / Prince defenders are also religious.

Those that find such a positive impact in stories of old or lyrics of a songs could be of similar ilk, easily lead and quick to defend what is in reality, their own weakness.

Well, I'm not religious at all. You can put it in your stat

that's been a big problem around here for awhile now.

people equate "being a fan" with never having any criticism of the artist or the art at all.

so if you're a "true fan", you like everything that artist has ever said or done and anything less than that means you're not really a fan and deserve to not even post on sites like this.

savagedreams said:

its a two way street. maybe its because there are so many people on the internet who bash these people personally without knowing them. if people werent blindly bashing them there would be no need (or desire?) to defend them. the anonymity of the internet makes some people feel very comfortable saying things about people they would never say to someones face.

Exactly.

If people want to defend Prince outside of the context of his music its fine provided that their civil about it.

Digressing

Did someone spike your milk and that's how you came up with the name tittypants?

Tittypants said:

[I base this thread off of reading how so many people always getting defensive over their favorite artist. Defending music is one thing, but everything else outside of that is kinda....pointless imho]

I know this is Prince fan site, & I'm a fan. But here's what I don't get, why do fans want to defend someone they don't even know? Just because you love & know someones music [or whatever else they're famous for], that doesn't mean you know them personally at all. Who on this site truly knows Prince personally enough to defend anything he's ever done? If he is a jerk, maybe he has a reason, maybe not. If he is truly being picked at or bullied for no reason, we really don't know most of the time [as much as we think]. Whoever we're fans of, we really can't defend anything they do because we don't truly know them at all. I find this hilarious to think you can defend someone you've never even spent any real time with it on a personal level whatsoever.....

Meh - it gives them something to do and fammy orgers make me laugh, especially when the meanies come out to shoot down the fammies.