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Thread started 08/13/09 12:11pm

sro100

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How did such a non-conformist become such a conformist?

This question is more of a discussion, than a question, because there's no right answere.

But, as I'm listening to "Come" right now I kind-of got a kick when Prince says "fuck." It was so normal and now it's so verbotten.

All of this, of course, ties to his religious beliefs.

Is a life so devoid of classification and rules almost attracted to a world of strict rules.

Possibly, because they're spinning out of control and have no happiness.

Maybe structure is happiness?

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Reply #1 posted 08/13/09 12:15pm

Giovanni777

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So let me get this straight...

U think that Prince deciding not 2 curse makes him a conformist???

WOW.

I really like that I can play Prince's music 4 my 7 year old daughter, and she loves him.

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Reply #2 posted 08/13/09 12:18pm

sro100

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Giovanni777 said:

So let me get this straight...

U think that Prince deciding not 2 curse makes him a conformist???

WOW.

I really like that I can play Prince's music 4 my 7 year old daughter, and she loves him.


He's a strict conformist to the Jevovah's Witness' set of beliefs. Yes.

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Reply #3 posted 08/13/09 12:37pm

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sro100 said:

This question is more of a discussion, than a question, because there's no right answere.

But, as I'm listening to "Come" right now I kind-of got a kick when Prince says "fuck." It was so normal and now it's so verbotten.

All of this, of course, ties to his religious beliefs.

Is a life so devoid of classification and rules almost attracted to a world of strict rules.

Possibly, because they're spinning out of control and have no happiness.

Maybe structure is happiness?



prince was during his life searching for guidance and rules. it took a while for him to find out what rules make sense and are true and what rules were not.

from the moment he found his answer on his spiritual quest he conformed himself fully with the wisdom he had gained.

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Reply #4 posted 08/13/09 12:39pm

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Giovanni777 said:

So let me get this straight...

U think that Prince deciding not 2 curse makes him a conformist???

WOW.

I really like that I can play Prince's music 4 my 7 year old daughter, and she loves him.

So much so that he's willing to try and alter HISTORY in order to be like every other conformist exclaim

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Reply #5 posted 08/13/09 12:40pm

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EmethEverywhere said:

sro100 said:

This question is more of a discussion, than a question, because there's no right answere.

But, as I'm listening to "Come" right now I kind-of got a kick when Prince says "fuck." It was so normal and now it's so verbotten.

All of this, of course, ties to his religious beliefs.

Is a life so devoid of classification and rules almost attracted to a world of strict rules.

Possibly, because they're spinning out of control and have no happiness.

Maybe structure is happiness?



prince was during his life searching for guidance and rules. it took a while for him to find out what rules make sense and are true and what rules were not.

from the moment he found his answer on his spiritual quest he conformed himself fully with the wisdom he had gained.


See Giovanni, even Emeth agrees lol

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Reply #6 posted 08/13/09 1:50pm

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...L-O-V-E THYSELF PROPERLY...
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...it is a striking irony..that while religion is often quite analytical and subtle in its understanding of a man's obligations 2 others...
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..it is quaintly naive about his obligations 2 himself...
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..it assumes that men need 2 b taught in detail exactly how they should act 2 one another...but these same men r suppose 2 b innately wise or spontaneously intelligent about the way they should treat themselves...
...mzsexybaby'ONLY THE BRAVE..LET'S JAM!!' sexy

..She's Just A Baby..but she's my lady..my loveR..my only friend!..true love that will last!..PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND..WHAT SHE SEES IN AN OLDER MAN..they never stop 2 think that maybe i'm what she's looking 4..THEY NEVER TAKE THE TIME..2 look in her mind
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Reply #7 posted 08/13/09 1:59pm

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..he who hates himself...
...who does not have proper regard 4 his own capacities,powers,compassions...actually can have no respect 4 others...
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...D-E-E-P within himself he will hate his brothers when he sees in them his own marred image...
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..L-O-V-E 4 one-self is the FOUNDATION of a brotherly society and personal peace of mind..
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..by L-O-V-Eing oneself...I DO NOT MEAN coddling oneself..indulging in vanity,conceit,self-glorification..
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..i DO INSIST on the necessity of a proper self-regard as a PREREQUISITE of the good and moral L-I-F-E...
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..in a D-E-E-P sense we must have a good domestic relations with ourselves b4 we can have good forign relation w/others...
..mzsexybaby'WELCOME 2 THE POWER-HOUSE..WE GONNA GET OUR HOUSE IN ORDER..CUZ MY PAPPA DIDN'T RAISE NO-FOOL' sexy

..She's Just A Baby..but she's my lady..my loveR..my only friend!..true love that will last!..PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND..WHAT SHE SEES IN AN OLDER MAN..they never stop 2 think that maybe i'm what she's looking 4..THEY NEVER TAKE THE TIME..2 look in her mind
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Reply #8 posted 08/14/09 8:56am

polkadotbliss

lol

he grew up.....

like we all do

most teenagers/younger folk drink, smoke, swear, have unprotected, sex-talk or think about sex ALOT more than you do when you hit -say your thirties-

so-by yoyur forties-its even less

by your fifties-it's just not the done thing to walk in a room all cursing and talking nasty stuff-sleeping around-most of the stuff you did when you were younger-unless all your friends are teenagers..... wink

then-your pretty much doomed to trying too hard to appear young-which is alot more tragic than growing up and accepting some things just aint cool for a grown man or waman to do forever

ok lol and no-i aint tellin you how young i aint

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Reply #9 posted 08/14/09 9:09am

skywalker

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sro100 said:

This question is more of a discussion, than a question, because there's no right answere.

But, as I'm listening to "Come" right now I kind-of got a kick when Prince says "fuck." It was so normal and now it's so verbotten.

All of this, of course, ties to his religious beliefs.

Is a life so devoid of classification and rules almost attracted to a world of strict rules.

Possibly, because they're spinning out of control and have no happiness.

Maybe structure is happiness?





I would argue that Prince is even a bigger non-conformist than he was before.

1.How many pop/rap/rock acts today say "fuck" in their lyrics? Certainly more than when Prince was doing it. Swearing is SO very common place in pop music now...who cares or notices when it is so expected. These days, Prince is damn near non conformist by NOT doing it.

2. Prince is not conforming to his fans expectations/wishes/earlier precedents. He is, as always, doing exactly what the duck he wants to do. Prince is being himself...hardly conforming.

3. Prince's religion is hardly mainstream...in fact, there is a lot of intolerance and venom spewed about his faith. I see it here at the org every day.

4. Even if Prince is conforming to JW expectations/rules: Is he really? Look at how he dresses, hear the (still) super sexual lyrics. "Wet circles 'round the toy..."....is that really conforming?

Possibly, because they're spinning out of control and have no happiness.

Maybe structure is happiness?


Quite a leap to ask such a redundant question (generalize) about an entire group of people, let alone Prince.

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[Edited 8/14/09 9:12am]

"I'VE GOT A MIND FULL OF GOOD INTENTIONS
AND A MOUTH FULL OF RAISINETS..."

---------------Mr. Goodnight
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Reply #10 posted 08/14/09 9:37am

xlr8r

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It was all an act. Even the laciviousness was an act. Prince was always a conservative semi-prude.

good thing I cook or else we'd starve to death...aint that a shame?
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Reply #11 posted 08/14/09 9:49am

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Giovanni777 said:

So let me get this straight...

U think that Prince deciding not 2 curse makes him a conformist???

WOW.

I really like that I can play Prince's music 4 my 7 year old daughter, and she loves him.

So much so that he's willing to try and alter HISTORY in order to be like every other conformist exclaim


How is he trying to alter history?
lol lol

good thing I cook or else we'd starve to death...aint that a shame?
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Reply #12 posted 08/14/09 10:00am

SupaFunkyOrgan
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xlr8r said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:


So much so that he's willing to try and alter HISTORY in order to be like every other conformist exclaim


How is he trying to alter history?
lol lol

lyrics. Changing them. Trying to pass off frauds to the general public. Just because you got divorced, and then cut the father out of the family picture don't mean that he never stuck his dick in your twat and created those kids!

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Reply #13 posted 08/14/09 10:07am

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

xlr8r said:



How is he trying to alter history?
lol lol

lyrics. Changing them. Trying to pass off frauds to the general public. Just because you got divorced, and then cut the father out of the family picture don't mean that he never stuck his dick in your twat and created those kids!



So you equate a grown man of 50 attempting not to be vulgar as altering history? Ok, gotcha.

good thing I cook or else we'd starve to death...aint that a shame?
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Reply #14 posted 08/14/09 10:15am

gogol

Why are a bunch of conformists questioning the degree of Prince's conformity.

Stop living through him. He's 51.

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Reply #15 posted 08/14/09 10:20am

xlr8r

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gogol said:

Why are a bunch of conformists questioning the degree of Prince's conformity.

Stop living through him. He's 51.





good thing I cook or else we'd starve to death...aint that a shame?
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Reply #16 posted 08/14/09 10:25am

SupaFunkyOrgan
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xlr8r said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:


lyrics. Changing them. Trying to pass off frauds to the general public. Just because you got divorced, and then cut the father out of the family picture don't mean that he never stuck his dick in your twat and created those kids!



So you equate a grown man of 50 attempting not to be vulgar as altering history? Ok, gotcha.

It's more than an atempt to not be vulgar. It's an assault against his own life. The history is plain to hear for billions of people across the planet and no amount of massacre will change the fact that he's trying to pass of a facade for the real thing. If he doesn't want to hold onto his past, he should create a future.

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Reply #17 posted 08/14/09 10:27am

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

xlr8r said:




So you equate a grown man of 50 attempting not to be vulgar as altering history? Ok, gotcha.

It's more than an atempt to not be vulgar. It's an assault against his own life. The history is plain to hear for billions of people across the planet and no amount of massacre will change the fact that he's trying to pass of a facade for the real thing. If he doesn't want to hold onto his past, he should create a future.


omg dude you are taking his shit wayyy to personal and out of proprotion lol

good thing I cook or else we'd starve to death...aint that a shame?
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Reply #18 posted 08/14/09 10:28am

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xlr8r said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:


It's more than an atempt to not be vulgar. It's an assault against his own life. The history is plain to hear for billions of people across the planet and no amount of massacre will change the fact that he's trying to pass of a facade for the real thing. If he doesn't want to hold onto his past, he should create a future.


omg dude you are taking his shit wayyy to personal and out of proprotion lol

I don't like liars lol

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Reply #19 posted 08/14/09 10:30am

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Swearing is vulgar--that's why its called cussing.

Shock-value is why people do it.

At twenty you get a pass.

At forty-fifty its rude, crude, uncouth and ignorant.

A man (or woman) that routinely cusses is boorish no matter how much $ or fame.

Love is so amazing
Yes you will be staying
Why must it be you always creep into my dreams
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Reply #20 posted 08/14/09 10:35am

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sweething said:

Swearing is vulgar--that's why its called cussing.

Shock-value is why people do it.

At twenty you get a pass.

At forty-fifty its rude, crude, uncouth and ignorant.

A man (or woman) that routinely cusses is boorish no matter how much $ or fame.

There's a time and place for everything. The earth never skips summer.

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Reply #21 posted 08/14/09 10:35am

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o.k.
[Edited 8/14/09 11:00am]

Love is so amazing
Yes you will be staying
Why must it be you always creep into my dreams
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Reply #22 posted 08/14/09 10:41am

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I wouldn't say he's a conformist now but I think he had some tough times in life and found some solace in religion and following its teachings more strictly. I think it's all a result of some pain in his life...getting older is not fun in general as many of us older org'ers can tell you.

But he's always been very passionate and very mercurial and totally into what he believes at that particular moment. That's part of being a nutty (and brilliant) artist.

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Reply #23 posted 08/14/09 10:42am

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sweething said:

Prince is not nor has he ever been the character you love so well -- face the facts --

because he's not you.

Thank God I'm not a fake ass liar lol

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Reply #24 posted 08/14/09 10:43am

exenn

How much dirtier could he have gotten?
[Edited 8/14/09 10:45am]

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Reply #25 posted 08/14/09 10:44am

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polkadotbliss said:

lol

he grew up.....

like we all do

most teenagers/younger folk drink, smoke, swear, have unprotected, sex-talk or think about sex ALOT more than you do when you hit -say your thirties-

so-by yoyur forties-its even less

by your fifties-it's just not the done thing to walk in a room all cursing and talking nasty stuff-sleeping around-most of the stuff you did when you were younger-unless all your friends are teenagers..... wink

then-your pretty much doomed to trying too hard to appear young-which is alot more tragic than growing up and accepting some things just aint cool for a grown man or waman to do forever

ok lol and no-i aint tellin you how young i aint



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Reply #26 posted 08/14/09 10:45am

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I think that Prince has been searching for peace and a source of comfort thoughout his life and he has found that now in his religion. that's what God does, for those of you that don't know. smile
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Reply #27 posted 08/14/09 10:56am

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sro100 said:

Giovanni777 said:

So let me get this straight...

U think that Prince deciding not 2 curse makes him a conformist???

WOW.

I really like that I can play Prince's music 4 my 7 year old daughter, and she loves him.


He's a strict conformist to the Jevovah's Witness' set of beliefs. Yes.



i wouldn't say 'strict' conformist,he consorts with people outside his faith

''now watch what you say or they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, a fanatical criminal''
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Reply #28 posted 08/14/09 11:02am

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

sweething said:

Prince is not nor has he ever been the character you love so well -- face the facts --

because he's not you.

Thank God I'm not a fake ass liar lol





Changing ones life does not a liar make, come on.

Love is so amazing
Yes you will be staying
Why must it be you always creep into my dreams
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Reply #29 posted 08/14/09 11:07am

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sweething said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:


Thank God I'm not a fake ass liar lol





Changing ones life does not a liar make, come on.

Acting like a holy person and being a total cunt in your professional dealings, yea that's lying.

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