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Thread started 07/23/09 4:12pm

dollwoman

Why is Prince STILL a Jehovah's Witness?

OK, I understand why he became a Witness in the first place. There was the tragic death of his much wanted son, the death of his father had already accured and some say his mother's dying wish was that he become a witness. Enter a man determined to convert him named Larry Graham and there you go.

My problem is that although his TRC CD was very pro JW's that was seven years ago and the stuff he released on Lotusflow3r is a far cry from witness beliefs. Given that it's obvious that that religion is a poor fit for him and goes against everything that he most cherishes, why is he still with them.

Examples;

JW's on using the word Hallelujah.
"Hallelujah!" That exclamation is commonly heard in Christendom's churches. Some people punctuare daily conversation with the expression. Few however, know its sacred meaning, and the lifestyle of many who use it dishonors God. "Hallelujah," explains one Bible dictionary, is a "word used by the writers of various psalms to join them in praising Jehovah." In fact a number of Bible schoflars point out that "Hallelujah" means "Praise ye Ja, [that is ] Jehovah."

Prince's view on the use of Hallelujah;

Well just listen to the song "Dance for Me". Seems combining the word with the words "makes me hot" is not a problem for P. I doubt that this is a song even an LA congregation would sing along to. Then this song also brings up the Bible scripture that JW's like to quote alot. "Everyone thatkeeps on looking at a woman so as to have passion for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart" Mathew 5;28.

Seems P aint too worried about what's going on in his heart.

Then there is the whole area of fornication. Another quote.
"Some youths have engaged in oral or anal sex or mutual masturbation, rationalizing that these acts are not so bad because they think they are technically not "having sex". Such youths forget - or may choose to ignore -that the Bible word for fornication includes all those practices, wrong conduct for which one might be disfellowshipped.

Seems P feels differently if the words of ELIXER are to be believed. He's all for it and sees nothing wrong with oral sex before or after marriage.

Then there is masturbation.

JW's think it leads to misconduct and should be avoided, They believe one should deaden that part of themselves so as not to develope a covetous sexual appetite.

P on the other hand thinks it's so great it's worthy of it's own song called "Here Eye Come".

Then there is the issue of Bragging, JW's preach against it.

P can't help but let you know the he is "The One" with all the goods, who will show you his life of luxery because he's "Mr Goodnight" and "There'll Never B Another Like Me".

I see HUGE differences in values here. So why stay with a religion that totally disagrees with you at every turn?

What keeps him there?
What religion should he choose next if he were to change now?
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Reply #1 posted 07/23/09 4:21pm

Billmenever

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dollwoman said:

OK, I understand why he became a Witness in the first place. There was the tragic death of his much wanted son, the death of his father had already accured and some say his mother's dying wish was that he become a witness. Enter a man determined to convert him named Larry Graham and there you go.

My problem is that although his TRC CD was very pro JW's that was seven years ago and the stuff he released on Lotusflow3r is a far cry from witness beliefs. Given that it's obvious that that religion is a poor fit for him and goes against everything that he most cherishes, why is he still with them.

Examples;

JW's on using the word Hallelujah.
"Hallelujah!" That exclamation is commonly heard in Christendom's churches. Some people punctuare daily conversation with the expression. Few however, know its sacred meaning, and the lifestyle of many who use it dishonors God. "Hallelujah," explains one Bible dictionary, is a "word used by the writers of various psalms to join them in praising Jehovah." In fact a number of Bible schoflars point out that "Hallelujah" means "Praise ye Ja, [that is ] Jehovah."

Prince's view on the use of Hallelujah;

Well just listen to the song "Dance for Me". Seems combining the word with the words "makes me hot" is not a problem for P. I doubt that this is a song even an LA congregation would sing along to. Then this song also brings up the Bible scripture that JW's like to quote alot. "Everyone thatkeeps on looking at a woman so as to have passion for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart" Mathew 5;28.

Seems P aint too worried about what's going on in his heart.

Then there is the whole area of fornication. Another quote.
"Some youths have engaged in oral or anal sex or mutual masturbation, rationalizing that these acts are not so bad because they think they are technically not "having sex". Such youths forget - or may choose to ignore -that the Bible word for fornication includes all those practices, wrong conduct for which one might be disfellowshipped.

Seems P feels differently if the words of ELIXER are to be believed. He's all for it and sees nothing wrong with oral sex before or after marriage.

Then there is masturbation.

JW's think it leads to misconduct and should be avoided, They believe one should deaden that part of themselves so as not to develope a covetous sexual appetite.

P on the other hand thinks it's so great it's worthy of it's own song called "Here Eye Come".

Then there is the issue of Bragging, JW's preach against it.

P can't help but let you know the he is "The One" with all the goods, who will show you his life of luxery because he's "Mr Goodnight" and "There'll Never B Another Like Me".

I see HUGE differences in values here. So why stay with a religion that totally disagrees with you at every turn?

What keeps him there?
What religion should he choose next if he were to change now?

hamster someone needs a hug
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Reply #2 posted 07/23/09 4:21pm

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Good question. He needs to come clean already and stop faking the funk.
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Reply #3 posted 07/23/09 4:24pm

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How many would be excited if it was reported tomorrow that Prince left the Jehova Witnesses??
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Reply #4 posted 07/23/09 4:33pm

SupaFunkyOrgan
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dannyd5050 said:

How many would be excited if it was reported tomorrow that Prince left the Jehova Witnesses??

I would be glad he went through another Emancipation.
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Reply #5 posted 07/23/09 4:34pm

dollwoman

dannyd5050 said:

How many would be excited if it was reported tomorrow that Prince left the Jehova Witnesses??


I think alot of those people would include practicing witnesses because he makes light of their beliefs and basically dares them to do or say anything about it. I have no idea what he gives financially and how that effects Bethals feelings about him. But the average Witness sees him as a crackpot and an embarassment.
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Reply #6 posted 07/23/09 4:35pm

ElCapitan

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dannyd5050 said:

How many would be excited if it was reported tomorrow that Prince left the Jehova Witnesses??


too many.
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Reply #7 posted 07/23/09 5:13pm

squirrelgrease

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Why is Prince STILL a Jehovah's Witness?


I think Prince just likes "Concubine Thursdays" at the Hall.
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Reply #8 posted 07/23/09 5:17pm

peter430044

dannyd5050 said:

How many would be excited if it was reported tomorrow that Prince left the Jehova Witnesses??


Count me in.
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Reply #9 posted 07/23/09 5:40pm

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I don't think it's anyones business but Prince's. I think people should leave this topic alone already.
Prince did an interview with a woman at Record World. They talked about whatever, then he asked her: "Does your pubic hair go up to your navel?" At that moment, we thought maybe we shouldn't encourage him to do interviews.
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Reply #10 posted 07/23/09 5:45pm

kenlacam

Being that there is a LOT of hypocricy(sp) in that religion, as well as many other religions, it is a perfect fit for Prince.
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Reply #11 posted 07/23/09 6:21pm

ernestsewell

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Reply #12 posted 07/23/09 6:28pm

SupaFunkyOrgan
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ernestsewell said:

beatdeadhorse

it aint dead yet lol
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Reply #13 posted 07/23/09 6:31pm

Vendetta1

metallicjigolo said:

I don't think it's anyones business but Prince's. I think people should leave this topic alone already.
Prince makes it our business. The fingerwagging at others and their "false religion" leaves him open for this kind of stuff.

I really don't care if Prince is a Witness or not. What I do care about is Witnesses who call out others and yet don't say a word about Prince.
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Reply #14 posted 07/23/09 6:32pm

SupaFunkyOrgan
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Vendetta1 said:

metallicjigolo said:

I don't think it's anyones business but Prince's. I think people should leave this topic alone already.
Prince makes it our business. The fingerwagging at others and their "false religion" leaves him open for this kind of stuff.

I really don't care if Prince is a Witness or not. What I do care about is Witnesses who call out others and yet don't say a word about Prince.

Or Prince playing the righteous card whil dealing dirty cards to everyone else.
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Reply #15 posted 07/23/09 6:33pm

ernestsewell

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

ernestsewell said:

beatdeadhorse

it aint dead yet lol


Grab a shovel then.
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Reply #16 posted 07/24/09 2:38am

Dayclear

It's his religion and none of anybody's business. Man, these people have TOO much nerve. mad
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Reply #17 posted 07/24/09 7:28am

dollwoman

Dayclear said:

It's his religion and none of anybody's business. Man, these people have TOO much nerve. mad



I don't know what religion alot of other performers belong to because they never talk about it. Prince however brings the topic up himself in interviews. That's what continuously puzzles me. Why does he keep bringing it up if basically he isn't too keen on practicing it? If he were to never mention it and I was to find out about it only through the grapevine as it were I would think well maybe that's something he's into halfheartedly or maybe he's not practicing it anylonger.
But no, the guy clearly thinks of himself as a Jehovah's Witness. I got the impression while watching the Tavis Smiley interview (thanks zoe ) that he's in good standing with the JW's and can walk into any Kingdom Hall he likes with his head held high despite his lyrics being pro everthing the Witnesses shun.
It's the disconnect that made me start this thread.
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Reply #18 posted 07/24/09 7:40am

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prince contradicting himself in his music? say it aint so..... eek
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Reply #19 posted 07/24/09 8:06am

dollwoman

In the JW book "The Secret of Family Happiness" I came across this on page 24.

Subtitle; Keep Your Courtship Honorable

How can you make your courtship honorable? First, make sure that your moral conduct is above reproach. Where you live is holding hands, kissing or embracing considered appropriate behavior for unmarried couples? Even if such expressions of affection are not frowned upon, they should be allowed only when the relationship has reached a point where marriage is definitely planned. Be careful that displays of affection do not escalate into unclean conduct of even fornication . Because the heart is treacherous, both of you would be wise to avoid being isolated in a house, an apartment , a parked automobile, or anywhere else that would give opportunity for wrong conduct.


This little book is read by every JW who intends on getting married. Prince has most deffinately come across it and it's probably in some papershredder somewhere.

I can not possibly imagine Prince sticking to handholding and kissing with any woman that he's interested in, never mind one he can perhaps invision as a wife!!!

Of all the religions this guy could have picked this is undoubtabley one of the most far fetched choices for him. The only thing more nutty would be for him to try and single handedly revive the shaker movement!
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Reply #20 posted 07/24/09 1:13pm

ElCapitan

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dollwoman said:

In the JW book "The Secret of Family Happiness" I came across this on page 24.

Subtitle; Keep Your Courtship Honorable

How can you make your courtship honorable? First, make sure that your moral conduct is above reproach. Where you live is holding hands, kissing or embracing considered appropriate behavior for unmarried couples? Even if such expressions of affection are not frowned upon, they should be allowed only when the relationship has reached a point where marriage is definitely planned. Be careful that displays of affection do not escalate into unclean conduct of even fornication . Because the heart is treacherous, both of you would be wise to avoid being isolated in a house, an apartment , a parked automobile, or anywhere else that would give opportunity for wrong conduct.


This little book is read by every JW who intends on getting married. Prince has most deffinately come across it and it's probably in some papershredder somewhere.

I can not possibly imagine Prince sticking to handholding and kissing with any woman that he's interested in, never mind one he can perhaps invision as a wife!!!

Of all the religions this guy could have picked this is undoubtabley one of the most far fetched choices for him. The only thing more nutty would be for him to try and single handedly revive the shaker movement!


You've really thought about this alot
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Reply #21 posted 07/24/09 1:16pm

eireboy34

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It's his religion and none of anybody's business. Man, these people have TOO much nerve. mad



Yeah, but we all know Jw are homophobic and intolerant!!!!


Man, ain't the JWs got too much a nerve!!!!!
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Reply #22 posted 07/24/09 2:21pm

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metallicjigolo said:

I don't think it's anyones business but Prince's. I think people should leave this topic alone already.

thank u finally somebody with some sense why dont ppl get off it already leave the mans religion alone.. geez talk about.. beatdeadhorse beatdeadhorse
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Reply #23 posted 07/24/09 2:23pm

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eireboy34 said:

Dayclear said:

It's his religion and none of anybody's business. Man, these people have TOO much nerve. mad



Yeah, but we all know Jw are homophobic and intolerant!!!!


Man, ain't the JWs got too much a nerve!!!!!

what does what he believe have 2 do with u...damn the person u responded 2 was right on u ppl do have 2 much nerve just because your a fan dont mean he should live out your fantasy of him.. thats a big no no no!
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Reply #24 posted 07/24/09 2:52pm

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eireboy34 said:

Dayclear said:

It's his religion and none of anybody's business. Man, these people have TOO much nerve. mad



Yeah, but we all know Jw are homophobic and intolerant!!!!


Man, ain't the JWs got too much a nerve!!!!!

not agreeing in a certain lifestyle doesnt make you intolerant.
JW's arent the only ones who believe homosexuality is wrong,
Islam does as does traditional christianity.
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Reply #25 posted 07/24/09 6:38pm

nurseV

I think it's his business and we should leave it at that.
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Reply #26 posted 07/24/09 6:48pm

funksterr

Shit, now Prince gonna bore us with Rainbow Children Part 2 just to prove how down he is with the JW's. And it'll be all your fault Dollwoman! biggrin
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Reply #27 posted 07/24/09 6:58pm

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for the same reason the Pope is still Catholic.

lol. what kind of question is that? lol

he's made his decision. let him be.
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Reply #28 posted 07/24/09 7:12pm

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Because it pisses so many of U off and it's cheaper than calling his lawyers and taking U 2 court 4 beating a dead horse!



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Reply #29 posted 07/24/09 7:12pm

ElCapitan

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RUHip2TheJive said:

for the same reason the Pope is still Catholic.

lol. what kind of question is that? lol

he's made his decision. let him be.



Why is the Pope still Catholic? I saw him the other day with some very unCatholic shoes on. He needs to just give it up already!
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