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does princes music have greatrer resonance if you believe in GOD? this is a question to those with faith-those without dont waste your breath-ta! I think ahead of you, I think instead of you
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How could you gain a comprehensive answer by only listening to the opinions of a select group??
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jonylawson said: this is a question to those with faith-those without dont waste your breath-ta!
Not all of it. But, if an atheist musician was to cover his song "God", it would probably sound a lot like track 4 on Rave Un2 The Joy Fantasic. 
I also do not see many non beleivers tolerating TRC. Hell, half of his fans struggled with the bullshit side of the album. Whenever U say that U can't, that's when U need 2 be tryin' | |
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alxndrstff said: How could you gain a comprehensive answer by only listening to the opinions of a select group??
I don't believe in any sort of god, but I would say much like a lot of old poetry an understanding or knowledge of certain scriptures and religious tales would help with a lot of the references Prince uses now. However, it's not only the lyrics that give Prince's output their brilliance, so it's hard to say that being religious or believing in god would make the music somehow more special..... aw goodness me-read the question-thats great-but READ THE QUESTION and get off this thread respectivly! I think ahead of you, I think instead of you
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setyrmindphree said: jonylawson said: this is a question to those with faith-those without dont waste your breath-ta!
Not all of it. But, if an atheist musician was to cover his song "God", it would probably sound a lot like track 4 on Rave Un2 The Joy Fantasic.
I also do not see many non beleivers tolerating TRC. Hell, half of his fans struggled with the bullshit side of the album. Is this acceptable calling it bullshit. Pretty disrespectable. Prince is a believer, does this mean Prince is bullshit? Jonylawson, Yeah, I reckon it is more powerful for those that believe. I believe in God, and I find a lot of tracks very powerful, such as Anna Stesia. | |
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setyrmindphree said:[quote] jonylawson said: I also do not see many non beleivers tolerating TRC. Hell, half of his fans struggled with the bullshit side of the album. Quite the opposite, actually. Athiests don't have to struggle with any affront to their own personal belief systems - being distanced enough to appreciate TRC as a work of inspired art. Just like the Bible. I don't believe there was a Mr McGee either, but Raspberry Beret's great. I hate purity
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I don't look to Prince's music to help me get closer to God but some of his work has hit me spiritually. I'm a Christian but not a JW and even a little bit of TRC CD hit me spiritually. It makes the music that much more interesting to me, even if I don't agree with what he's saying in a certain song. Prince.org is a cemetery where folks mourn Prince instead of celebrate him and his music. Last time I checked, Prince isn't dead yet.
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drcoldchoke said: setyrmindphree said: Not all of it. But, if an atheist musician was to cover his song "God", it would probably sound a lot like track 4 on Rave Un2 The Joy Fantasic.
I also do not see many non beleivers tolerating TRC. Hell, half of his fans struggled with the bullshit side of the album. Is this acceptable calling it bullshit. Pretty disrespectable. Prince is a believer, does this mean Prince is bullshit? Jonylawson, Yeah, I reckon it is more powerful for those that believe. I believe in God, and I find a lot of tracks very powerful, such as Anna Stesia. No prince is not bullshit, his beliefs are not bullshit. I did not say his beliefs were bullshit. Where did that come from? I found the droning voice and the album concept to be over the top and irritating. A majority of his theology (as stated in the album) I disagree with. The bullshit was how the album was executed. Enjoyed it musically. I enjoyed getting insight into his beliefs. Are you a JW? Do you subscribe to his beleifs stated in the album? Whenever U say that U can't, that's when U need 2 be tryin' | |
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I believe there may be a God of some kind. But my beliefs definitely do not fall in line with Prince's. At all, really.
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setyrmindphree said: drcoldchoke said: Is this acceptable calling it bullshit. Pretty disrespectable. Prince is a believer, does this mean Prince is bullshit? Jonylawson, Yeah, I reckon it is more powerful for those that believe. I believe in God, and I find a lot of tracks very powerful, such as Anna Stesia. No prince is not bullshit, his beliefs are not bullshit. I did not say his beliefs were bullshit. Where did that come from? I found the droning voice and the album concept to be over the top and irritating. A majority of his theology (as stated in the album) I disagree with. The bullshit was how the album was executed. Enjoyed it musically. I enjoyed getting insight into his beliefs. Are you a JW? Do you subscribe to his beleifs stated in the album? A lot of what comes up lyrically in TRC does not fall in with JW dogma anyway.... We are stardust. We are golden.
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Riverpoet31 said: OP
Who decides who has faith or not? You? And what kind of faith you are talking about? Religious faith, spiritual faith, faith in yourself, faith in the ability of mankind to deal with certain problems? Is one kind of faith better then the other? I seriously consider your remark short-minded and denegrating. Can I get an Amen on that brother?
I absolutley love the religious threads. I can ask "Does God fart?", and the bibles vs. the weights and measures will come pouring in. It comes down to faith and belief. Do I believe that God can fart and do I have faith that he will fart when I need him to. What food makes him fart and can I control the smell is what people are always trying to accomplish with dogmatic religious approaches. Spirituality is one thing, dogma is something else. Whenever U say that U can't, that's when U need 2 be tryin' | |
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setyrmindphree said: drcoldchoke said: Is this acceptable calling it bullshit. Pretty disrespectable. Prince is a believer, does this mean Prince is bullshit? Jonylawson, Yeah, I reckon it is more powerful for those that believe. I believe in God, and I find a lot of tracks very powerful, such as Anna Stesia. No prince is not bullshit, his beliefs are not bullshit. I did not say his beliefs were bullshit. Where did that come from? I found the droning voice and the album concept to be over the top and irritating. A majority of his theology (as stated in the album) I disagree with. The bullshit was how the album was executed. Enjoyed it musically. I enjoyed getting insight into his beliefs. Are you a JW? Do you subscribe to his beleifs stated in the album? my words would be wasted on you. | |
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drcoldchoke said: setyrmindphree said: No prince is not bullshit, his beliefs are not bullshit. I did not say his beliefs were bullshit. Where did that come from? I found the droning voice and the album concept to be over the top and irritating. A majority of his theology (as stated in the album) I disagree with. The bullshit was how the album was executed. Enjoyed it musically. I enjoyed getting insight into his beliefs. Are you a JW? Do you subscribe to his beleifs stated in the album? my words would be wasted on you. Waste um man, waste um. Whenever U say that U can't, that's when U need 2 be tryin' | |
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3121 said: Hey, LoveSexy saved my life
Not really, i just wanted to act like a twat. What do twats beleive in? Whenever U say that U can't, that's when U need 2 be tryin' | |
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jonylawson said: alxndrstff said: How could you gain a comprehensive answer by only listening to the opinions of a select group??
I don't believe in any sort of god, but I would say much like a lot of old poetry an understanding or knowledge of certain scriptures and religious tales would help with a lot of the references Prince uses now. However, it's not only the lyrics that give Prince's output their brilliance, so it's hard to say that being religious or believing in god would make the music somehow more special..... aw goodness me-read the question-thats great-but READ THE QUESTION and get off this thread respectivly!  :eye:Also, why is one of the guys yelling “Purple Rain” like it’s fricking “Freebird”?  | |
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3121 said: Hey, LoveSexy saved my life
Not really, i just wanted to act like a twat.  | |
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L0tusFlow3r said: 3121 said: Hey, LoveSexy saved my life
Not really, i just wanted to act like a twat.  | |
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setyrmindphree said: Riverpoet31 said: OP
Who decides who has faith or not? You? And what kind of faith you are talking about? Religious faith, spiritual faith, faith in yourself, faith in the ability of mankind to deal with certain problems? Is one kind of faith better then the other? I seriously consider your remark short-minded and denegrating. Can I get an Amen on that brother?
I absolutley love the religious threads. I can ask "Does God fart?", and the bibles vs. the weights and measures will come pouring in. It comes down to faith and belief. Do I believe that God can fart and do I have faith that he will fart when I need him to. What food makes him fart and can I control the smell is what people are always trying to accomplish with dogmatic religious approaches. Spirituality is one thing, dogma is something else. I'd like to say Amen number 2, from someone NOT religious. I believe in some higher power but not God or a god. In your eyes, does that mean I have faith and am entitled to reply to this post?... Oh wait, it doesn't matter because I also believe in people having freedom of thought and expression. Firstly why ask only people with faith a question? All you'll get is a very biased opinion. Of course people with faith will believe they have a 'greater resonance' with his music because they most likely feel that gives them a better/higher connection with prince himself. As I say, I don't believe in God but that doesn't mean his music moves me any less than it does you. It moves me more than any other and TRC is one of my favourite albums. When people I know say they don't like him that will be the first album I play for them and their opinion of him changes immediately and makes them want to hear more. None of them have been religious either! So there it is, breath wasted, wanted or not, but I also believe in freedom of speech. I know I hold you too tight, but I just can't seem to get close enough | |
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jonylawson said: this is a question to those with faith-those without dont waste your breath-ta!
I think it does because if you are attempting 2 live by GOD's laws and u believe in heaven and would like 2 go, P's "lyrics" give reminder of that. Well, it does 4 me but I'm not a JW or [Neo]Christian. Peace & Stay Funky [Live4Love] ... 
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jonylawson said: alxndrstff said: How could you gain a comprehensive answer by only listening to the opinions of a select group??
I don't believe in any sort of god, but I would say much like a lot of old poetry an understanding or knowledge of certain scriptures and religious tales would help with a lot of the references Prince uses now. However, it's not only the lyrics that give Prince's output their brilliance, so it's hard to say that being religious or believing in god would make the music somehow more special..... aw goodness me-read the question-thats great-but READ THE QUESTION and get off this thread respectivly! 
Ah well, nice to know people's opinions are respected on this site..... PS (last contribution, as I'm not wanted!  ) - as I've stated, I'm not religious in any way, but TRC may be my favourite Prince album. Just to make that point towards an earlier discussion.....So look into the mirror, do u recognise some1? Is it who u always hoped u would become, when u were young? | |
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PurpleLove7 said:[quote] jonylawson said: I think it does because if you are attempting 2 live by GOD's laws and u believe in heaven and would like 2 go, P's "lyrics" give reminder of that. Well, it does 4 me but I'm not a JW or [Neo]Christian. Prince/JW's doesn't believe you'll go to heaven when you die. They believe in resurrection to eternal life in a paradise on earth. The new world.
As for the question, I'm not sure. Some lyrics might hit you in the heart more, one way or another, if you believe in a god. If you agree with his view, then they might uplift. If you follow a different religious path, they may sadden, dismay or repell. I don't believe, so his views don't offend me one way or the other. The music still moves me though, as it has for many years. And now for a cup of tea. | |
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TheEnglishGent said:[quote] PurpleLove7 said: jonylawson said: I think it does because if you are attempting 2 live by GOD's laws and u believe in heaven and would like 2 go, P's "lyrics" give reminder of that. Well, it does 4 me but I'm not a JW or [Neo]Christian. Prince/JW's doesn't believe you'll go to heaven when you die. They believe in resurrection to eternal life in a paradise on earth. The new world.
As for the question, I'm not sure. Some lyrics might hit you in the heart more, one way or another, if you believe in a god. If you agree with his view, then they might uplift. If you follow a different religious path, they may sadden, dismay or repell. I don't believe, so his views don't offend me one way or the other. The music still moves me though, as it has for many years. Well, I guess with the newer music, I can relate. Although the older pre JW songs, I can understand but not totally relate. 
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jonylawson said: this is a question to those with faith-those without dont waste your breath-ta!
Thats a quite a slick question. Greater Resonance, u ask. Well, lets see Resonance means the following by Dictionary Ref. But first which precise definition of " Resounance is ur question pertaining to? The Acoustical ,Physics, Chemical, Medical, or Insensification of the vocal chords definition. Because that would make a great difference in how i answer this question. And just for every reader's reference. i know GOD and JESUS EXIST and i HAVE FAITH IN THEM. [Edited 1/22/09 18:23pm] | |
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YES.... hands down! Holy river, Seven etc All that deep meaning in the lyrics is lost if you dont have faith on God and JC. Cuzzin'... when Spooky say dead, u better say died. | |
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itsshananaok said: YES.... hands down! Holy river, Seven etc All that deep meaning in the lyrics is lost if you dont have faith on God and JC.
Because God gives you the Magic Prince Lyric Decoder when you join up???
Newsflash! One need not have faith in your God to appreciate another's artistic expression of theirs. [Edited 1/22/09 21:02pm] | |
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itsshananaok said: YES.... hands down! Holy river, Seven etc All that deep meaning in the lyrics is lost if you dont have faith on God and JC.
So, an intelligent Buddhist is a moron and doesn't understand the meaning of a spiritual song whether their beliefs are non-theist, theist or monotheistic or don't believe in Jesus the Christ. Belief and faith in one path is not a prerequisite for intelligence and the ability to understand a particular religion. I'm sure there are many people of different faiths that would have incredible understanding about the pain, loneliness, fear and confusion expressed in "Holy River"; and how a belief in a higher power can help a human overcome certain realities of life. Whenever U say that U can't, that's when U need 2 be tryin' | |
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setyrmindphree said: itsshananaok said: YES.... hands down! Holy river, Seven etc All that deep meaning in the lyrics is lost if you dont have faith on God and JC.
So, an intelligent Buddhist is a moron and doesn't understand the meaning of a spiritual song whether their beliefs are non-theist, theist or monotheistic or don't believe in Jesus the Christ. Belief and faith in one path is not a prerequisite for intelligence and the ability to understand a particular religion. I'm sure there are many people of different faiths that would have incredible understanding about the pain, loneliness, fear and confusion expressed in "Holy River"; and how a belief in a higher power can help a human overcome certain realities of life.   Very well said.
I think a few here are suffering from a case of religious egotism. We are stardust. We are golden.
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