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Printable Giovanni777 said: Interesting that there is NO mention of the fact that his bands have always featured women in prominent roles...
Gayle Lisa Wendy Sheila Cat Boni Rosie Rhonda Cora How many male-fronted bands in Rock, Funk, etc., have had a female drummer? that's a good point...though i have a feeling if you tried to write a comprehensive review of prince's gender politics, it could fill a book. and i would totally buy that book and devour it.  | |
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I loved that article. Thanx for posting
Giovanni777 said: Interesting that there is NO mention of the fact that his bands have always featured women in prominent roles...
Gayle Lisa Wendy Sheila Cat Boni Rosie Rhonda Cora How many male-fronted bands in Rock, Funk, etc., have had a female drummer? I've noticed that too, good point. | |
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Tame said: I have never heard of this magazine, and I am sure the article is somewhat interesting to read...however, I do not believe that Prince is a feminist...I believe that Prince appreciates women and their career endeavors, although I do believe that Prince would prefer to have a wife at home that cares for him and his household, while he went out to earn the bread.
I believe in most cases, not all, that structured society, depends on these roles. I am all for single women making as much money as men in the same positions, and I definitely believe woman are equally talented...However, I also believe that women are more suited for raising children, and caring for a household and a man, than the other way around. In a family structure, where a man and a woman are married...Outside of that concept...either a man or a woman is capable of either role. I agree wholeheartly with you. Prince gives me impression that he loves women and prefersp a woman with a career as opposed to a careerwoman. Perfect example, Michelle Obama. I don't think Mani had a career...she was educated yes, but not a careerwoman. I am not a feminist. I believe in equality between the sexes...although I believe that between two people...it is apparent, which position belongs to whom. Lemme | |
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Giovanni777 said: Interesting that there is NO mention of the fact that his bands have always featured women in prominent roles...
Gayle Lisa Wendy Sheila Cat Boni Rosie Rhonda Cora How many male-fronted bands in Rock, Funk, etc., have had a female drummer? Don't keep up on these things, and no props taken from Prince, but doesn't or didn't Kid Rock have a female drummer? | |
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Tame said: I have never heard of this magazine, and I am sure the article is somewhat interesting to read...however, I do not believe that Prince is a feminist...I believe that Prince appreciates women and their career endeavors, although I do believe that Prince would prefer to have a wife at home that cares for him and his household, while he went out to earn the bread.
I believe in most cases, not all, that structured society, depends on these roles. I am all for single women making as much money as men in the same positions, and I definitely believe woman are equally talented...However, I also believe that women are more suited for raising children, and caring for a household and a man, than the other way around. In a family structure, where a man and a woman are married...Outside of that concept...either a man or a woman is capable of either role. I am not a feminist. I believe in equality between the sexes...although I believe that between two people...it is apparent, which position belongs to whom. But that, dear, is the definition of a feminist.  "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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applekisses said: Our very own SNAKEPEEL wrote that!
I'm so, so proud of him. Thanks, you guys, for posting this. I'm going to send him the URL to the thread. He's going to be thrilled. Really? Neat! The tone of the article makes it obvious it's written by someone with a strong familiarity with the subject. That is, a fan. But it didn't even occur to me it might be one of us. Go Snakepeel! "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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psychodelicide said: The drawing of Prince is pretty cool too. Is anybody else having trouble reading what's written in the balloon thingies, or is it just me?
 It's not just you. It's kinda hard to read even on the page. I think that was on purpose. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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Anxiety said: Giovanni777 said: Interesting that there is NO mention of the fact that his bands have always featured women in prominent roles...
Gayle Lisa Wendy Sheila Cat Boni Rosie Rhonda Cora How many male-fronted bands in Rock, Funk, etc., have had a female drummer? that's a good point...though i have a feeling if you tried to write a comprehensive review of prince's gender politics, it could fill a book. and i would totally buy that book and devour it. I would love to read a book like that. One of the things that's always interested me about Prince and what drew me to him initially as an artist and not just another dude on the radio is his, let's say unique, approach to gender and sexuality. In fact, I actually believe that given the number of people who felt drawn to the man for similar reasons, it's his recent perceived about-face that's led to the disappointment felt by a lot of longtime fans, more than any other factor. A lot of people became fans out of casual listeners because Prince was broadcasting a message of sexual and gender freedom not done by any other male performer. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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meow85 said: psychodelicide said: The drawing of Prince is pretty cool too. Is anybody else having trouble reading what's written in the balloon thingies, or is it just me?
It's not just you. It's kinda hard to read even on the page. I think that was on purpose. Okay, whew, glad it wasn't just me.  RIP, mom. I will forever miss and love you. | |
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Very well put and well thought out article. Almost reads like a treatment for
a much larger piece - as Anx has pointed out - potentially a book or thesis or larger paper. Nice work, SnakePeel. And thanks, meow85, for scanning it in. peace [Edited 6/26/08 18:06pm] | |
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meow85 said: And here we are:
 i like the illustration but it doesn't do any justice 2 his amazing arse.. male feminist... it's true! | |
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I was surprised when I opened the latest Bitch and found a Prince article. B. is a good mag, if you like Bitch you might like BUST.
I agree that the writer hadn't done all of his homework, though he did have some interesting insight. I don't know Prince, just his music. However, I have always felt that he is a man who really loves women. And ofcourse he has harmed women, men too. Everyone has hurt everyone in love, sometime. I don't want to sound like a R.E.M. song but from my experience it is true. Some women would find it controlling to have their man design their clothes but he seems down with what looks flattering on the individual female body. I would be all for a Prince makeover. I don't think that came out right, a platonic Prince makeover. Anyways, hooray for Prince in Bitch mag and I will be writing them a letter Thanking them for the article. Love wins. (Seen on bumpersticker) | |
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Is Bitch a US title? where is it sold Ive never come across it.
Is it a music mag or what? walk with crooked shoes www.myspace/syblepurplelishous | |
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http://bitchmagazine.org/
Yep, based in the US B-Word Worldwide is a nonprofit, independent, feminist media organization best known for publishing Bitch: Feminist Response to Pop Culture, a print magazine devoted to feminist analysis and media criticism. Bitch features critiques of TV, movies, magazines, advertising, and other elements of pop culture. We also interview feminist pop culture makers, review new books and music, and lots more. We're in the process of evolving into a multimedia organization, starting with this very website. syble said: Is Bitch a US title? where is it sold Ive never come across it.
Is it a music mag or what? Love wins. (Seen on bumpersticker) | |
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Does it have a website?
I am very interested in the typography used, it looks like a good magazine, theres so much trash around these days with poor layouts etc etc It was good to see an article with a sense of style from the old school of graphics! walk with crooked shoes www.myspace/syblepurplelishous | |
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http://bitchmagazine.org/
syble said: Does it have a website?
I am very interested in the typography used, it looks like a good magazine, theres so much trash around these days with poor layouts etc etc It was good to see an article with a sense of style from the old school of graphics! Love wins. (Seen on bumpersticker) | |
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Thanks Rozilla thats a very interesting site! walk with crooked shoes www.myspace/syblepurplelishous | |
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prince wrote a song called "good pussy"??  | |
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meow85 said: And here we are:
my balloon-thingy transcription: "if i was your girlfriend would you remember to tell me all the things you forgot when I was your man?" "a woman everyday should be thanked" "who can find a virtuous woman her price is above rubies" (reference to Proverbs 31, btw)  | |
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thanks for sharing the interesting article meow85, your kindness and time and effort is very appreciated. =) "All of me  give 2 thee down at your feet ...
The reassurance in your rhythm speaks 2 me." -------------------------------------------------------- "I wanna hold U, wrap U up in lace. And I wanna kiss U, kiss U all over your face." |
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greyhoodiegirl said: prince wrote a song called "good pussy"??
i never heard of this track either.... maybe it's just a complete mistake and the writer meant "scarlet". EDIT: oops "Good Pussy" is an 1994 outtake [Edited 6/27/08 12:42pm] "All of me give 2 thee down at your feet ...
The reassurance in your rhythm speaks 2 me." -------------------------------------------------------- "I wanna hold U, wrap U up in lace. And I wanna kiss U, kiss U all over your face." |
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rozilla said: I was surprised when I opened the latest Bitch and found a Prince article. B. is a good mag, if you like Bitch you might like BUST.
I agree that the writer hadn't done all of his homework, though he did have some interesting insight. I don't know Prince, just his music. However, I have always felt that he is a man who really loves women. And ofcourse he has harmed women, men too. Everyone has hurt everyone in love, sometime. I don't want to sound like a R.E.M. song but from my experience it is true. Some women would find it controlling to have their man design their clothes but he seems down with what looks flattering on the individual female body. I would be all for a Prince makeover. I don't think that came out right, a platonic Prince makeover. Anyways, hooray for Prince in Bitch mag and I will be writing them a letter Thanking them for the article. I wrote a letter of thanks too.
Never heard of Bust. Is it available for sale in Canada? "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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Thanks for posting the article and CONGRATS to SnakePeel!!  I'm firmly planted in denial | |
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OceanOfViolets said: greyhoodiegirl said: prince wrote a song called "good pussy"??
i never heard of this track either.... maybe it's just a complete mistake and the writer meant "scarlet". EDIT: oops "Good Pussy" is an 1994 outtake [Edited 6/27/08 12:42pm] Don't have this track, but now I wanna hear it. RIP, mom. I will forever miss and love you. | |
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GoldiLocks said: meow85 said: And here we are:
my balloon-thingy transcription: "if i was your girlfriend would you remember to tell me all the things you forgot when I was your man?" "a woman everyday should be thanked" "who can find a virtuous woman her price is above rubies" (reference to Proverbs 31, btw) Thanks, Goldilocks!  RIP, mom. I will forever miss and love you. | |
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Giovanni777 said: Interesting that there is NO mention of the fact that his bands have always featured women in prominent roles...
Gayle Lisa Wendy Sheila Cat Boni Rosie Rhonda Cora How many male-fronted bands in Rock, Funk, etc., have had a female drummer? And Candy. What a great point you make! Plus all the magnificent performers of Prince music: Mavis Staples,Alicia Keys, sorry, my mind drifts off to the performances at Paisley!!!! Erykah Badu, Alisson, soooo many more! | |
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Awesome. Bitch is a great, well-written, ad-free mag, so I'm definitely going to pick this up. | |
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meow85 said: rozilla said: I was surprised when I opened the latest Bitch and found a Prince article. B. is a good mag, if you like Bitch you might like BUST.
I agree that the writer hadn't done all of his homework, though he did have some interesting insight. I don't know Prince, just his music. However, I have always felt that he is a man who really loves women. And ofcourse he has harmed women, men too. Everyone has hurt everyone in love, sometime. I don't want to sound like a R.E.M. song but from my experience it is true. Some women would find it controlling to have their man design their clothes but he seems down with what looks flattering on the individual female body. I would be all for a Prince makeover. I don't think that came out right, a platonic Prince makeover. Anyways, hooray for Prince in Bitch mag and I will be writing them a letter Thanking them for the article. I wrote a letter of thanks too.
Never heard of Bust. Is it available for sale in Canada? Bust is good, it's a bit lighter and more commercial friendly. It's not quite feminist, but it's more like a less-shitty woman-positive version of 17 or Cosmo. | |
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 cool -- can't wait to read it!http://elmadartista.tumblr.com/ http://twitter.com/madartista | |
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I don't see how anyone familiar with Prince's music could confuse him with a feminist. The first half of his career was spent objectifying women sexually and dressing them in next to nothing while having them act out his sexual fantasies.
In more recent years, he has still constructed a world in which he exerts control over women -- this time through religious instruction (given, of course, by him). His statement about Solomon exemplifies this. He, in the end, wants to talk to a man who had countless wives and concubines. Not his first reference to Solomon, mind you ("Big Fun"). Again, the reference to Solomon seems less about an attempt to understand women as equals and more about reducing Solomon to a kind of pimp and his ability to "pull" that many women. To be fair, a lot of Prince's lyrics about women do talk about feelings and emotions (though many that do are about how Prince has been victimized somehow). Again, anyone who sees him as a feminist has been viewing Prince's career with one eye open and the other mostly cracked. | |
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