Whitnail said:

It's unfortunate and the world is so unbalanced, but this is the sad truth!

Europe produced Mozart, Beethoven, Bach
America produced Hans Zimmer.

Americans better musically? You guys are fucking crazy

yxl1 said:

thats all old shit ...europe copies us now...europe also produced the spice girls

It may be old, but nothing that has come out of the USA has ever come close. Some of these works have been around for 100's of years - how many works by American musicians will be still relevent in 100 years time. Shit, even 20 years time?
Yeah we may have produced the Spice girls, but I'd take them over Britteny any day.

yxl1 said:

Aren't they sort of legacy though? I mean, I'm not trying to stir the pot or anything, but aren't those composers sort of...well, irrelevant in today's landscape of ever more progressive pop music?


I love my European friends, I really do. And I'm half Asian, so I give a shout out to William Hung too!

But America, I think, is where it's at. I mean, America produced Tupac and Biggie, both so innovative and prolific that they are still releasing records today! Mozart, for all his clever song writting tricks was never able to transcend death like they did. Don Giovanni outtakes never graced store shelves years after his death. Tupac and Biggie are still innovating to day, long after they got their asses clocked--bless their hearts


America gave the world Tupac.

Europe has had it's fare share of copycats, so to speak, like the rapper below, but the emotional resonance, the stories evoking social disparities, and the savvy lyrical poetry apparent from years of witnessing crimes on the streets, doesn't resonate in the European rapper below unfortunately.



He has a good hook, but the message is muddled by years of socialists policies which unfortunately provide for the general welfare of it's people and reduces violent crime--this of course makes for bad art.



Let me know yall's thoughts on this.

Imago said:

I knew Americans were crazy but... I mention Bach, you mention Tupac. WTF?!

I'm outta here!
[Edited 12/25/07 12:03pm]

yxl1 said:

ok, let's not mention Tupac. I concede, he's a controversial genius. His songs, like Mozart's compositions often dealt with social disparities. For example the Le Nozze De Figaro was very controversial in its time because it centered around the divisions between the aristocracy and the poor working class; however, where Mozart covered his message with humor, Tupac, went straight for the jugular and kept his subject matter bleak, hard hitting, and often times, hopeless. Tupac, in this sense, was showing the vast superiority of the urban American perspective on social class divisions.

However, if we look at Prince, we can see that his subject matter and musical palette dwarfs all of the classical composers combined, and to this day, is unmatched.
Within the few excellently delivered notes in Karma-sutra, Prince is touches on love, jealousy, sexuality and the like. One could picture Beethoven totally getting his knickers snagged and his man-panties in a bunch if he were to hear the lyrics "Don't look now--but there's a river of blood. You must've been a virgin--what am I guilty of?".
In a land , like America, where individuality, sexual expression, and personal freedoms are cherished (with the minor exception for waterboarding political detainees), such attitudes are aloud to prosper and only lends themselves to the creation of such musical geniuses.

(for those of you who don't know what man-panties are, look here: http://www.manties.net/ <--it's a fascinating site, and you could get lost for hours in the selection).

Anyways, I digress, I'm not saying in any way shape or form that Americans are better than other nationalities. We certainly are just part of the coalition of the willing. We're just a small economic spoke in the G-8 summit wheel, so to speak. So, trust me my Euro and Asian frieds when I say this--Prince does not prove that Americans are better: Only, that we are better musically for reasons beyond our control, praise the God of Abraham whose taken a keen interest in American government


I'd like to know yall's thoughts on this.

Whitnail said:

Awww ! Too late

yxl1 said:

Whitnail said:

You really are a clueless twat, aren't you? I was paying non-Americans a compliment. Please learn to read before you waste any more time replying to my posts. Thanks!

But let's review. How is it "blind self-belief" to point out to some clearly in need of it that there is a world outside of America with just as much to offer in terms of culture & creativity?

Then again, there's clearly not much coming from Germany, if your contributions are any indication.

viewaskew said:

kind of you to pay Non-Americans a compliment, very noble I must say. I think you should read the thread again.

And, you are right, there is alot more culture outside America.

Please accept my humble apologies, blindness, and spelling errors and dont make the mistake of taking anything I post seriously.

Peace N b wild

Whitnail said:

you gonna let him get away with calling you a twat? i'd whup his punk ass.

yxl1 said:

bach was fot tight asses....tupac was for broke asses....he meant more...how many top 10 hits did bach have?

mirrorbestfriend said:

You're hilarious!

VenusBlingBling said:

im not serious abut hillary..i like obama!
[Edited 12/25/07 17:31pm]

I was way off topic here... but I didn't take it to mean that one is better than the other, just that why there seems to be a big difference. I like what Flo6 said in another thread about that little girl prodigy:

Flo6 said:

purplepolitician said:

yeah, i should do that, but I was not exactly in order with the poster either, we all have our differences in this life, and standing down, is sometimes better than standing up

Imago said:

[b]The Beattles,Led Zep,The Rolling Stones,Elton John....are from England.

purplepolitician said:

Maybe you'd try.

You definitely wouldn't succeed. Happy Boxing Day.

To compare American musicians with other natonalities isn't necessarily a fair comparison.
The USA is such a big nation compared to other countries, of course they produce more talent. More musicians equals more talent.
Plus the music entertainment plays such an important role in the USA, while other countries often prefer other artforms, that don't belong into the music entertainment category.

LaLaLaHeeHeeHee said:

Well said!

It's because of Americans that music changed for the better in the 1950s and the rest of the world immitated us. It's also because of Americans that music changed for the worse in the 1990s and the rest of the world still immitated us. I mean, I've even heard Spanish shit hop being played in a Mexican restaurant. I even heard a Chinese shit hop song in a Chinese restaurant one time and that really tripped me out.

For better or for worse, Americans have always been the musical influences since the 1950s.

That's true and Americans got us away from that boring slow stuff....well at least until the shit hoppers slowed us right back down to it.

america is just great.....we the best in everything we do.....we stand for excellence.....thats why other countries try 2 be like us.....and most of their citizens will risk their life to get here.....we got souja boy,master p,geto boys,ludaCRIS....all yall got is duran duran and amy whineho

We are definately the baddest of the bad and I'd be bored as hell living in any other country.




For someone trying to brag on their country, you are bringing up reasons for non-Americans to hate us.

No,not at all .....

Great discussion guys.

But what I'm primarily interested in is how Prince fits into this. We all know Americans just do things better. But is Prince an indication of this, or is he even far beyond this?

Although this thread is obviously tongue-in-cheek, some of the posts put here trying to support the theory are more ludicrous than the subject matter!

Its because English is the most popular language?

English is not the most common language on the planet, so that doesn't make any sense - if it were true, we'd all be listening to Chinese artists! English is 2nd or 3rd, depending on the variables of the estimates.

Its because "America is so big"?

Again, in terms of size and population, America is third and is dwarfed by China and India.

Want to know what would be the key factor in the theory? Money. Plain and simple. America is the richest nation (financially!) and has the resources to nurture and promote it's talent.

However, the basic premise of the thread is entirely wrong - you are trying to support a theory about whether US musicians are "far far better musically" when, in fact, you can really only prove popularity over ability. Just because an artist may be popular (JT for example), it is no indication of their musical ability.

Furthermore, everything seems to have centred around mainstream music in this discussion - there are many alternative and "underground" scenes that are far more inventive and progressive musically. In fact, there are scenes in the UK that are producing far more adventurous music than anything I've heard coming out of the States.