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Thread started 12/23/07 12:12pm

Imago

Does Prince, among other US musicians prove that Americans are just far far better musically than other nationalities?

(THIS THREAD IS DEDICATED TO, AND IN HONOR OF, MIRRORSBESTFRIEND)


I mean, Prince, Jimi Hindrex, Duke Ellington, Frank Zappa, and Justin Timberlake can't all be flukes. There has to be something to that theory.


Anyways, I would appreciate your candid opinions.



Thanks.



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[Edited 12/23/07 13:18pm]
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Reply #1 posted 12/23/07 12:18pm

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falloff Aw, shit. I was about to go crazy until I saw the author of this thread.
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Reply #2 posted 12/23/07 12:24pm

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Beatles, Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd???
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Reply #3 posted 12/23/07 12:26pm

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ToraToraDreams said:

falloff Aw, shit. I was about to go crazy until I saw the author of this thread.



I was just about to explode reading that title, then I saw the poster falloff

I wonder what JT was thrown in for wink
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Reply #4 posted 12/23/07 12:29pm

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Imago said:

(THIS THREAD IS DEDICATED TO, AND IN HONOR OF, MIRRORSBESTFRIEND)


I mean, Prince, Jimi Hindrex, Duke Ellington, Frank Zappa, and Justing Timberlake can't all be flukes. There has to be something to that theory.


Anyways, I would appreciate your candid opinions.



Thanks.



If Benny Lava was American I would without doubt agree razz
If it were not for insanity, I would be sane.

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Reply #5 posted 12/23/07 12:36pm

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Whitnail said:

ToraToraDreams said:

falloff Aw, shit. I was about to go crazy until I saw the author of this thread.



I was just about to explode reading that title, then I saw the poster falloff

I wonder what JT was thrown in for wink

JT is bigger than Jesus.
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Reply #6 posted 12/23/07 1:57pm

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the definition of what is Pop or popular music is determined by many factors; the US has always had greater influence in the realm of music compared to other nations, hence the prevelance of their music.

there are places in the world where Prince is not known or not very popular because of the tastes of those people.

music, like literature or any other form of art, involves individual subjectivity, hence to say "better" is, well rolleyes
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Reply #7 posted 12/23/07 5:36pm

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มีเพียงความว่างเปล่า rose 只有空虚 rose Dim ond gwacter rose 만 공허함이있다 rose 唯一の虚しさがあります wilted There is only the void.
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Reply #8 posted 12/23/07 5:44pm

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no way! wot abowt tht guy from 'the darknesss' lol

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Reply #9 posted 12/23/07 5:51pm

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lottielooloo1968 said:

no way! wot abowt tht guy from 'the darknesss' lol


lol
มีเพียงความว่างเปล่า rose 只有空虚 rose Dim ond gwacter rose 만 공허함이있다 rose 唯一の虚しさがあります wilted There is only the void.
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Reply #10 posted 12/23/07 8:06pm

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Imago said:

(THIS THREAD IS DEDICATED TO, AND IN HONOR OF, MIRRORSBESTFRIEND)


I mean, Prince, Jimi Hindrex, Duke Ellington, Frank Zappa, and Justin Timberlake can't all be flukes. There has to be something to that theory.


Anyways, I would appreciate your candid opinions.



Thanks.



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[Edited 12/23/07 13:18pm]


yes we produced stevie wonder,full force,and deangeho...we run thangs
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Reply #11 posted 12/23/07 8:35pm

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I would think that some countries look at music/entertainment as a job and commercialized it, whereas certain other countries just look at music as culture and a form of worship. But with the westernization of a lot of other countries, they follow this pattern because the entertainment industry is big money nowadays. Ever heard of 'The Twelve Girls Band' they travel outside of China and play concerts and promote their CD's for American dollars.

That's just my theory, which I'm sure may not be completely accurate and maybe only a small fraction of the bigger picture (...if it does have any relevance).

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Reply #12 posted 12/23/07 8:50pm

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I believe that in some respects appreciation (in this instance, music) is based on what you're familiar with; so, in other countries they would probably feel that their music is better than ours because it is what they are accustomed to. ?????
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Reply #13 posted 12/23/07 11:06pm

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wildgoldenhoney said:

I would think that some countries look at music/entertainment as a job and commercialized it, whereas certain other countries just look at music as culture and a form of worship. But with the westernization of a lot of other countries, they follow this pattern because the entertainment industry is big money nowadays. Ever heard of 'The Twelve Girls Band' they travel outside of China and play concerts and promote their CD's for American dollars.

That's just my theory, which I'm sure may not be completely accurate and maybe only a small fraction of the bigger picture (...if it does have any relevance).


fully agreed. in addition, Prince himself was rejected by the so-called Pop world of the US. that's why he starting writing songs like in2 the light. as for the comment about running thangs, y'all dominate thangs, and some times not righteously. it's gotten to the point that many nations have let go of their indigenous sound just to sound american and have a chance 2 crack the market. if it's not about booty shakin' or baby this baby that...lawd knows what will happen.
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Reply #14 posted 12/24/07 9:26am

Imago

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Beatles, Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd???

They mostly do Bo Diddley covers though, right? confuse
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Reply #15 posted 12/24/07 10:09am

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No it just has to do with the English language being the most common language in the world. Hence why most Popular musicians come from The United Stats, England, Canada or Australia. I think that's all it has to do with... Which is shame because we're probably missing out on some incredible musicians, just because we cant understand what they're singing.
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Reply #16 posted 12/24/07 11:58am

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P2daP said:

No it just has to do with the English language being the most common language in the world. Hence why most Popular musicians come from The United Stats, England, Canada or Australia. I think that's all it has to do with... Which is shame because we're probably missing out on some incredible musicians, just because we cant understand what they're singing.


with u i also agree. as u said, the hegemony of English in music has limited the types of music as well as messages the world is exposed to.

in addition, "American" music is the product of many roots. For example, Blues and Gospel have their roots in musical traditions brought over by the slaves from Africa.
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Reply #17 posted 12/24/07 1:20pm

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Imago said:


I mean, Prince, Jimi Hindrex, Duke Ellington, Frank Zappa, and Justin Timberlake can't all be flukes.


falloff I think Justin is definitely a fluke!
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Reply #18 posted 12/24/07 6:38pm

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well america is a big country its bound to produce more talent..... although prince is liked better in the uk!!!! 9over all better record sales (we hav better music taste( death to shit hop)))
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Another factor could be that in the U.S. there are opportunities and freedom that could allow a pursuit of a career in music. In some underdeveloped countries people need to get a means of living which requires a lot of their time just to get the basic necessities of life. In China for example, I thought they work the fields from sun-up to sun-down thus, that would mean their whole life is centeed around making their living. I don't know, just a thought...

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Reply #20 posted 12/24/07 11:27pm

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wildgoldenhoney said:

Another factor could be that in the U.S. there are opportunities and freedom that could allow a pursuit of a career in music. In some underdeveloped countries people need to get a means of living which requires a lot of their time just to get the basic necessities of life. In China for example, I thought they work the fields from sun-up to sun-down thus, that would mean their whole life is centeed around making their living. I don't know, just a thought...


'tis truth that ye reason. the music industries in the developing worlds are not as strong as in the US. funny thing though, is that there, one is flooded with music from the US, and certain countries have even introduced legislation to balance local w/ US music on the airwaves.
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Reply #21 posted 12/25/07 1:01am

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No, it means that most Americans just have their heads so far up their own asses that they don't bother with talent outside their own borders until they hear about it on Mtv or Access Hollywood.


There is a world outside America. It's actually been around for quite a while.
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viewaskew said:

No, it means that most Americans just have their heads so far up their own asses that they don't bother with talent outside their own borders until they hear about it on Mtv or Access Hollywood.


There is a world outside America. It's actually been around for quite a while.
[Edited 12/25/07 1:03am]



you have once again outdone yourself with blind self belief
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Reply #23 posted 12/25/07 2:59am

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viewaskew said:

No, it means that most Americans just have their heads so far up their own asses that they don't bother with talent outside their own borders until they hear about it on Mtv or Access Hollywood.


There is a world outside America. It's actually been around for quite a while.
[Edited 12/25/07 1:03am]


Couldn't agree more! lol
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Reply #24 posted 12/25/07 3:04am

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wildgoldenhoney said:

Another factor could be that in the U.S. there are opportunities and freedom that could allow a pursuit of a career in music. In some underdeveloped countries people need to get a means of living which requires a lot of their time just to get the basic necessities of life. In China for example, I thought they work the fields from sun-up to sun-down thus, that would mean their whole life is centeed around making their living. I don't know, just a thought...



lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol
thanks for the laugh
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fcukthepolice said:

wildgoldenhoney said:

Another factor could be that in the U.S. there are opportunities and freedom that could allow a pursuit of a career in music. In some underdeveloped countries people need to get a means of living which requires a lot of their time just to get the basic necessities of life. In China for example, I thought they work the fields from sun-up to sun-down thus, that would mean their whole life is centeed around making their living. I don't know, just a thought...



lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol
thanks for the laugh



Did you know the leather things kicked around at sport events are made by tiny fingers, these tiny fingers belong to tiny people, the tiny people come from places you cant find on a map, coz your lack of education does not allow you to see beyond your nose lol
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Whitnail said:

fcukthepolice said:




lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol
thanks for the laugh



Did you know the leather things kicked around at sport events are made by tiny fingers, these tiny fingers belong to tiny people, the tiny people come from places you cant find on a map, coz your lack of education does not allow you to see beyond your nose lol


True words of wisdom ! cool
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pplrain said:

Whitnail said:




Did you know the leather things kicked around at sport events are made by tiny fingers, these tiny fingers belong to tiny people, the tiny people come from places you cant find on a map, coz your lack of education does not allow you to see beyond your nose lol


True words of wisdom ! cool


it is christmas, i should have never posted that sad
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LaLaLaHeeHeeHee said:

wildgoldenhoney said:

I would think that some countries look at music/entertainment as a job and commercialized it, whereas certain other countries just look at music as culture and a form of worship. But with the westernization of a lot of other countries, they follow this pattern because the entertainment industry is big money nowadays. Ever heard of 'The Twelve Girls Band' they travel outside of China and play concerts and promote their CD's for American dollars.

That's just my theory, which I'm sure may not be completely accurate and maybe only a small fraction of the bigger picture (...if it does have any relevance).


fully agreed. in addition, Prince himself was rejected by the so-called Pop world of the US. that's why he starting writing songs like in2 the light. as for the comment about running thangs, y'all dominate thangs, and some times not righteously. it's gotten to the point that many nations have let go of their indigenous sound just to sound american and have a chance 2 crack the market. if it's not about booty shakin' or baby this baby that...lawd knows what will happen.

Agree, also. I noticed that the Korean shows they sing, dance, and dress Americanized. Personally, I don't think they match doing hip-hop and all, but they pull their influence from the U.S.

Even Bollywood (dance routines) in the movies are a combination their indigenous music/dance, hip-hop, and something else (saw a special about that). And I think that they have become popular outside of India as well.

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Reply #29 posted 12/25/07 4:38am

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LaLaLaHeeHeeHee said:

P2daP said:

No it just has to do with the English language being the most common language in the world. Hence why most Popular musicians come from The United Stats, England, Canada or Australia. I think that's all it has to do with... Which is shame because we're probably missing out on some incredible musicians, just because we cant understand what they're singing.


with u i also agree. as u said, the hegemony of English in music has limited the types of music as well as messages the world is exposed to.

in addition, "American" music is the product of many roots. For example, Blues and Gospel have their roots in musical traditions brought over by the slaves from Africa.

That's true, it's a fusion!

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