XxAxX said:

Word.

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[Edited 11/19/07 8:31am]

I SUPPORT PRINCE!!!

I hate the fan division that all of this shit causes.

Meloh9 said:

I couldn't agree more with this statement. It's disgusting what's been happening here and it needs to end NOW.

HiinEnkelte said:

Hiin, maybe I've missed a post of yours where you elaborate a bit more. Could you point me to it if it exists?
How do you view this situation in the context of free speech and fair use, the precedent that Prince is trying to set, possible implications for the further development of the web, copyright law and how it applies to the web, how it should apply, do laws need to change, do they need to be strickter or loosen up. Aren't these developments trying to criminalize an entire generation of kids who are freely copy and pasting other people's art into their own.
I ask these questions not as someone who looks at Prince pictures all day. As a matter of fact it's extremely rare for me to step outside the P&R forum and I could hardly care less about what Prince ate for dinner, how much his latest album sucked and what is hairdo du jour is. Still I passionately believe that it's people's right to do so if they wish.

Prince--if you listen to his lyrics, you know the man. Prince is entitled to stop anything being discussed about him if he wishes. All the horse-dooda that has been written about him through the years, not just here, virtually everywhere.

If one person heard just one, JUST ONE of the horse-dooda that that bloke has had to put up with, they would get irked and petulant. Put yourself in his shoes. It is not as hard a thing to do as you think.

Thank God for his fans, who, I reckon, understand and believe in this guy.

Now then, I'll leave this message not with a Prince lyric, but with something from the Kane Gang--"I tell the truth and it's still called lying". I feel that Prince must be feeling this way sometimes.

I WAS FINE BACK IN THE DAY! (or something like that)

God bless you all, on either side of this debate, and those sitting and sun-bathing on the fence!

this such bullshit. jeff buckley's mom did the same thing in 01-02. control freak assholes!

i'm disappointed by his actions but not surprised. you'd think he has better to do with his time.

Free at last, free at last, thank god all mighty, we, no, sorry, P, is free. We can only be "free" when P says so. Like sheep we follow, and like a shepard P keeps feeding us b*llsh*t!

So, every1 that's got a tattoo on yo arm, time 4 laser surgery, or amptation, coz P said so, I cant wait to get my arm chopped off, maybe when it's detatched P will send it a little letter from his lawyer, planning to sue, unless it drags it's detatched ass to hospital for laser surgery.

P.....It's pathetic, We R the people, the people that put up with ur cr*p output for ten years, and still bought watever cr*p U fexd us, and how do u repay us, yeh, very good. The guys at Prince.org and other sites give u the best advertising U could wish for, praise, info, news, they do it all. P... U don't deserve them!

Keep up the fight you guys at the org. Peace out!

m3taverse said:

no you haven't missed anything. i haven't really posted any detailed thoughts on the matter just yet.

But here's briefly where i'm coming from. At least one red flag should go off if we, his disgruntled fanbase ("he should appreciate us and what we do here more!"), build up a sense of solidarity -Prince fans united!- by uniting against Prince. Prince fans united!...against Prince.

I am not responding on the basis of just what is my/the Org's legal rights with regard to using his image, etc.
But on that matter, in view of the current legal climate, i don't think Prince has much of a case. and i tend to "error" on the side of free speech.
But i also keep in mind that to define my rights, and to exercise that right is not always a very good indicator of what is right (to do).



i do think prince is attempting something more than a publicity stunt, or an insane lashing out at his own "fanbase", even if his method is suspect, or ungracious.

the current state of things seems to be that "intellectual property" is becoming such a hard notion to defend in law and policy that the law may have to try and save face and re-write (away) this notion altogether. i don't know. the legal and "rights" issues are extremely interesting but not my first line of thought in considerering for me the more immediate and relevant matter of the moral rightfulness of some of the things we do here, and to what extent we "should" comply with Prince's requests.



i do understand the need to seriously think through these questions. it's like when something becomes unstoppable, (e.g. a radical change in the way knowledge is transmitted, ideas communicated, products reproduced), is law then nothing more than the attempt to encode and regulate such changes...? is that all it ever was...? and so on...



i don't step out of P&R much myself, and while i don't care about what Prince ate for dinner, i do think i can say that do "care" about him with regard to more mature life matters.




for the most part i vigorously agree, even on this issue. But my question about whether i support what the org decides to do here in this particular case leans only secondarily on just what exactly the law deems (as it flies by the seat of its pants ) is within our rights to do.

it seems there are some who are happy to see prince respond with a funky jam, like if we just prod him a bit or piss him off, hey we just might get him going again in the studio. the collective org response to prince somewhat reminds me of Kierkegaard's opening diapsalmata from his first book published book as an author 'Either/Or' (not counting his dissertation 'The Concept of Irony')

"What is a poet? An unhappy person who conceals profound anguish in his heart but his lips are so formed that as sighs and cries pass over them they sound like beautiful music. It is with him as it is with the poor wretches in Phalaris's bronze bull, who were slowly tortured over a slow fire; their screams could not reach the tyrant's ears to terrify him; they sound like sweet music. And people crowd around the poet and say to him, "Sing again soon" -in other words, may new sufferings torture your soul, and may your lips continue to be formed as before, because your screams would only alarm us, but the music is charming.
And the reviewers step up and say, "That is right; so it must be according to the rules of aesthetics."
Now of course a reviewer resembles a poet to a hair, except he does not have the anguish in his heart, or the music on his lips. Therefore I would rather be a swineherd out on Amager, and be understood by the swine than be a poet and be misunderstood by the people. "

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[Edited 11/29/07 16:29pm]

Hutchi said:

Mr P is not saying 'follow me', he is probably saying that he does not like the things being printed about him, and I do not blame him. Look how annoyed YOU are about this issue, imagine how annoyed YOU would be if you read all the horse-dooda written about Mr P, but instead it was written about you?

Meloh9 said:

True. A pity I think too. It's v. simple to me, but maybe I'm a v.simple person.

If you do not like your friends discussing you in a negative sense when you are not there, but could read it all, how would you feel? Would you not ask them to not discuss you in such a misconstrued light?

If the 'fans' want a forum to discuss whatever, which is fair enough, do not do it in the name of the person you are negatively discussing. Join or create another forum in YOUR name.

Thanks for your peace-making input, Meloh!

That's what Prince wants, for everybody to get the message. What do you think he's gonnaback down and say nevermind? I don't think so!

I like today's NY Times article in the SundayStyles section. It's the 1st time I've seen Ben's pic!
Doesn't seem to be flattering to Prince, either.

Any one have an update? seems deathly quiet lately.....
am I missing a link or something?

andyf said:

If I was Prince and had that kind of talent, crativity and money and knew I was pushing 50 I don't think I would give a damn what was being said on some online forum, but then thats me. P is only human, and it shows.