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ArsTechnica on Planet Earth ArsTechnica, which is a high-tech (well, really mostly focused on PC stuff) site, did a quick article about PE's release: http://arstechnica.com/ne...offin.html
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Album sales don't mean much to an artist anymore. Alot of people buy an album may not like it enough to keep it, and sell it at a tradepost or on ebay. Album sales are only measured by the new copies sold, not the used copies bought and sold time and again. Giveaways like Planet Earth are a means to broaden the fan base and sell more concert tickets. I agree with the writer on that point. I do think that the record industry took too long to embrace the digital download age by trying to kill it. They're still tryin to get on that bandwagon but it could be a little too late. With more ways for artists to get their music to the fans there is little need of a record company anymore. | |
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Purpleaxxe1972 said: With more ways for artists to get their music to the fans there is little need of a record company anymore.
distributing music is only about a quarter and least important of what record companies do. The financing and marketing functions are still most important to the artist. why do you think Prince signs with SONY instead of Starbucks? | |
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"This decision beggars belief," Quirk said in a statement. "It is an insult to all those record stores who have supported Prince throughout his career."
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Note to the music industry: don't hate the playa, hate the game.
You got that right! | |
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Except for that first stupid sentence that seems to accompany EVERY article about Prince | |
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emesem said: Purpleaxxe1972 said: With more ways for artists to get their music to the fans there is little need of a record company anymore.
distributing music is only about a quarter and least important of what record companies do. The financing and marketing functions are still most important to the artist. why do you think Prince signs with SONY instead of Starbucks? With the Internet I'm sure there will soon be ways around this as well. It will be great when I don't have 2 see the P.Diddy type of people on TV talking about how much money they have made(off of other Artists)! Let the death of the Record Labels Begin!!! | |
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Way to go Prince! I'm all for new ways of self promotion!
Prince: .... shut up already, damn! | |
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Prince is onto something here. Pushing magazines or newpapers is all about advertizing. The times have changed.
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Spookymuffin said: Cool! Another NIN and Prince fan (besides myself). I'm looking forward to both their tours. Trent even mentioned Prince (and Public Enemy) in the credits of "Pretty Hate Machine". As for the free copies of "Planet Earth"....Yes, it was free to the public, but Prince still got paid $1 million from the newspaper to do that promotion. So, he makes all that money without having to sell any copies of the disc! | |
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yeah Im glad he took this step as well..
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mehogeni said: yeah Im glad he took this step as well..
however I am just a little confused....Here is prince the man who wages a personal war against record labels in the past and almost kinda despises their very existence...yet a new technology comes about to completely TURN out record labels *aka the age of downloading* and he is the main policeman trying to stop people from knowing more about his music either through youtube videos, housequake videos, or possible free downloading of his old material. Yes he made NPG but it was only limited material compared to the stuff he has created and that he would not make available to the masses. Now he releases his CD for FREE but yet I still don't know his take on downloading music....to me he is just as bad as the record labels STILL because instead of trying to truly embrace the downloading era he seemed to try to only work with downloading when trying to strike out against labels. Yet I'm pretty sure he is not going to release any LEGAL dirty mind concert footage any time this decade...I adore Prince for this historical move but if he is going to do this then HE NEEDS to have a clear stand on how he wants to work with technology...does he now approve of providing material to the masses because HE WANTS to and would help his fans learn even more about him or did he only release this cd to spite the labels and claim his authority over his music.....because Honestly an even bigger gift to fans and an even bigger and greater message would have been him allowing housequake and other media outlets to showcase his old video footage or else have agreements to showcase this footage on his site for easy access instead of having to deal with terrible lawsuits from his lawyers.....im 21, and to me, seeing Prince do his live performances in the 80s with my "illegal" material is such an inspiring thing to see, it teaches me and helps me learn about music and what to look for, yet the same man that inspires me can shut me out from the material, the same man who came up with NPG cant think of new ways to release the material or else educate his younger fans in ways such as video blogs maybe virtual lessons, behind the scenes tour footage, virtual soundchecks, just something to tell us "HEY I am opening myself up to you with all of my past knowledge so the future generations can grow and create meaningful music and my other older fans can enjoy my material without fear from anyone"....I'm not saying he should give his fans free stuff but give us some sort of legal access to the past/present material and truly make a stand and im sure alot of his fans would be happy to pay for a reasonable fee...he complains about how terrible music is today yet he is in no way helping younger generations understand how to go in a new direction except giving out free cds of his new material...I'm not trying to complain, because again it was a lovely gift, however you cannot give a slice of cake to a party and expect the party to be satisfied with that one slice when you put the rest of the cake in the fridge I've seen many clips from his different live shows and TV appearances on Youtube. I wonder if part of the reason for not releasing certain things has to do with ownership. Warners might still have rights to some of this stuff...and usually the TV networks own rights to the shows. NBC kept taking his SNL performance of "Fury" off Youtube, but I DID find an old SNL clip of him playing "Party Up". | |
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"It is an insult to all those record stores who have supported Prince throughout his career."
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DaveT said: In the UK during the mid to late nineties I lost count of the number of times I went into HMV or Virgin, had a look in the so-called Prince section and found bugger all there. Not only did they not stock hardly any of the man's back-catalogue but they made almost no effort to sell his new releases.
Oh please, come on. You went into two CHAIN stores. And FYI: good luck in finding most of his post-1995 output these days anyway. How much of his post-1995 output is available through Prince's site? In the end, they'll stock what sells. If Prince ain't selling, they ain't gonna keep up a gazillion copies taking up dust in their stores or warehouses, simple as that. ecord shops got burned badly when previous Prince albums sold a fraction of what they were supposed to sell and they got shafted with unsold copies that they eventually had to get rid off at heavily discounted prices, i.e. they lost money. (FYI: NPS was offered through THREE different companies back in the day, each week another one, simply because Prince was screwing with them, making promises until the next guy came along and offered more money/a better deal.) This "giving away CDs free with newspapers" isn't a new business model at all, it's a stupid stunt that devalues the worth of music. © Bart Van Hemelen
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BartVanHemelen said: DaveT said: In the UK during the mid to late nineties I lost count of the number of times I went into HMV or Virgin, had a look in the so-called Prince section and found bugger all there. Not only did they not stock hardly any of the man's back-catalogue but they made almost no effort to sell his new releases.
Oh please, come on. You went into two CHAIN stores. And FYI: good luck in finding most of his post-1995 output these days anyway. How much of his post-1995 output is available through Prince's site? In the end, they'll stock what sells. If Prince ain't selling, they ain't gonna keep up a gazillion copies taking up dust in their stores or warehouses, simple as that. ecord shops got burned badly when previous Prince albums sold a fraction of what they were supposed to sell and they got shafted with unsold copies that they eventually had to get rid off at heavily discounted prices, i.e. they lost money. (FYI: NPS was offered through THREE different companies back in the day, each week another one, simply because Prince was screwing with them, making promises until the next guy came along and offered more money/a better deal.) This "giving away CDs free with newspapers" isn't a new business model at all, it's a stupid stunt that devalues the worth of music. I saw a bunch of copies of 3121 in Best Buy . . . they all had the Purple Ticket sticker on the front | |
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BartVanHemelen said: DaveT said: In the UK during the mid to late nineties I lost count of the number of times I went into HMV or Virgin, had a look in the so-called Prince section and found bugger all there. Not only did they not stock hardly any of the man's back-catalogue but they made almost no effort to sell his new releases.
Oh please, come on. You went into two CHAIN stores. And FYI: good luck in finding most of his post-1995 output these days anyway. How much of his post-1995 output is available through Prince's site? In the end, they'll stock what sells. If Prince ain't selling, they ain't gonna keep up a gazillion copies taking up dust in their stores or warehouses, simple as that. ecord shops got burned badly when previous Prince albums sold a fraction of what they were supposed to sell and they got shafted with unsold copies that they eventually had to get rid off at heavily discounted prices, i.e. they lost money. (FYI: NPS was offered through THREE different companies back in the day, each week another one, simply because Prince was screwing with them, making promises until the next guy came along and offered more money/a better deal.) This "giving away CDs free with newspapers" isn't a new business model at all, it's a stupid stunt that devalues the worth of music. What stupid stunt? Listen in 2004 with Musicology people around here said the same BS. Meanwhile everyone from Van Halen to Fleetwood Mac was interested in pulling that same "Stunt" as you call it. Now with the Daily Mail or whatever its called you have the same thing. More established acts are looking into doing what PRINCE the constant innovator and master business man has pulled off. Keep in mind Prince just shipped 3 million records!! How does this devalue music? Prince got paid on every record that shipped! How does this devalue music? It doesn't. Give it time when you see other acts being as innovative then you will give it up to Prince for this because it really is remarkable. Also I find it odd you think this devalues music. Have you not been paying attention for the past decade or so? Music has been getting devalued in far greater circumstances than this by the greedy ass record labels and clear channel. NO I disagree. Prince did not devalue music. The recording industry did and has always done so. THE CARDINAL HAS SPOKEN!!! | |
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Why does he climb into bed with these deceitful liars?
small circles, big wheels!
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All this bullshit about Prince being the innovative genius makes me nauseous!
small circles, big wheels!
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Rightly said: All this bullshit about Prince being the innovative genius makes me nauseous!
Anybody with half a head for business could have seen that this is a sure enough marketing strategy. Prince will have his "money mad" advisors telling him what to do in order to make his money and how to keep it for himself. Prince is hardly alone in looking for new ways to cut out the corrupt distributors. There have been plenty of others before him. He should have made his business business deal with a newspaper which isn't as sick as the 1 he chose. Why did he choose a rascist, sexist, homophobic paper. He has often said himself that this type of journalism spreads only hateful lies, ignorance and confusion. He should be held to account for that. Most of his fans are pretty clueless, for whatever reason and I don't hink he is. People this is not an act of genious. It's ugly, petty and short-sighted. Don't believe the bollocks. "Just like another snowflake in an avalanche", my ass. He should be held to account for his irresponsible actions, and come down from his patronising high horse. Sorry! u sound as mad as u look | |
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pennylover said: Rightly said: All this bullshit about Prince being the innovative genius makes me nauseous!
Anybody with half a head for business could have seen that this is a sure enough marketing strategy. Prince will have his "money mad" advisors telling him what to do in order to make his money and how to keep it for himself. Prince is hardly alone in looking for new ways to cut out the corrupt distributors. There have been plenty of others before him. He should have made his business business deal with a newspaper which isn't as sick as the 1 he chose. Why did he choose a rascist, sexist, homophobic paper. He has often said himself that this type of journalism spreads only hateful lies, ignorance and confusion. He should be held to account for that. Most of his fans are pretty clueless, for whatever reason and I don't hink he is. People this is not an act of genious. It's ugly, petty and short-sighted. Don't believe the bollocks. "Just like another snowflake in an avalanche", my ass. He should be held to account for his irresponsible actions, and come down from his patronising high horse. Sorry! u sound as mad as u look well simply put: You are a buffoon, you're being taken for a ride and your silly whoops of delight are pissing me off! small circles, big wheels!
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DerekH said: Spookymuffin said: Cool! Another NIN and Prince fan (besides myself). I'm looking forward to both their tours. Trent even mentioned Prince (and Public Enemy) in the credits of "Pretty Hate Machine". As for the free copies of "Planet Earth"....Yes, it was free to the public, but Prince still got paid $1 million from the newspaper to do that promotion. So, he makes all that money without having to sell any copies of the disc! Go NIN! I saw that in PHM; I own every halo, ya see. | |
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"In the end, they'll stock what sells"
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"You went into two CHAIN stores"
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Point of the article being:
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Spookymuffin said: DerekH said: Cool! Another NIN and Prince fan (besides myself). I'm looking forward to both their tours. Trent even mentioned Prince (and Public Enemy) in the credits of "Pretty Hate Machine". As for the free copies of "Planet Earth"....Yes, it was free to the public, but Prince still got paid $1 million from the newspaper to do that promotion. So, he makes all that money without having to sell any copies of the disc! Go NIN! I saw that in PHM; I own every halo, ya see. I'm jealous. I'm missing about 7 or 8 halos. Hey did you get the new vinyl single of Capital G? I just picked that up last week. It's not a halo, though. | |
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