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Reply #90 posted 07/17/07 8:48am

matthewgrant

This song has grown on me alot cool

Love the first note with a PR feel/sound and kind of reminds me of Cinammon Girl.

Who was Judah???
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Reply #91 posted 07/17/07 9:00am

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matthewgrant said:

Who was Judah???


Well, there are several characters in the Bible called Judah (with varying pronunciations, but the Lion Of Judah was traditionally a symbol for the Tribe of Judah.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...n_of_Judah
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Reply #92 posted 07/17/07 10:34am

clarityman

OK after some days of listening to this and loving it I think the mood (not the sound necessarily) evokes a similar feel to 17 days - I tried them back to back earlier and I really sensed it - sorry if I offend! smile
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Reply #93 posted 07/17/07 12:36pm

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babynoz said:

Alexandernvrmind said:




Actually it has nothing to do with being wise. It has more to do with folks on this board who aren't always aware when Prince is being religious. Like in this song. The Lion of Judah is Jesus Christ...and a lot of people don't realize that. Probably shouldn't have used the word ignorant (no matter how appropriate) because most times people assume a negative conectation. I find the posts regarding the song and the overwhelming positive vibe interesting.
Its two things for me...one most don't even know that the Lion of Judah is another way to refer to Jesus Christ....and secondly even those who do don't care one bit because the music sounds good...just like in the 80s (IWD4U, Anastasia, IKnow etc...)
In any case I think people get a little too sensitive about the word ignorant...it means lack knowledge...not dumb
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I think what people object to is the fact that you're doing a lot of assuming here. For example, there's no verifiable way that you can conclude that many or most people on this board are unaware of the connotations of "Lion Of Judah". It sounds condesending.

Maybe, just MAYBE the religious overtones don't bother other people so much???


You've just hit a home run!

I don't care what is inspiring me, I want to hear about what is inspiring him. In doing so, I can sometimes be inspired indirectly.

And fortunately our two worlds are often different so I can gauge how other people see the world.

And we can all unfortunately relate with the struggle of depression, which is the main theme of the song. We just choose different ways to pull ourselves out of the funk. No biggie.

I need an editor, edit.
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Reply #94 posted 07/17/07 12:46pm

Brendan

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Giovanni777 said:

Accujack said:



There are only a few people on here whose opinions really matter to me, and Giovanni, you are one of those people.

You seem to have a real knowledge of Prince music and music in general. thumbs up!


Thank U.

Also, like a lot of this album, Prince sounds very comfortable with what he's doing, and in a very good way... The album is recorded and mixed very well. Listening 2 a CD is an absolute MUST. MP3s don't and can't relay the dynamics and clarity of this recording as a whole.


Not only that, but I've been watching from afar for long enough that'd I'd swear to a court that this guy knows how to talk to people that know how to listen; if you get my slow understanding. wink
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Reply #95 posted 07/17/07 1:04pm

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Here is your thread to discuss this track only - instead of scanning the main sticky - Enjoy, June7



Wow! The lyrics are very personal. I hope the woman he's talking about, really understand just how much he does care.
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Reply #96 posted 07/17/07 1:07pm

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clarityman said:

OK after some days of listening to this and loving it I think the mood (not the sound necessarily) evokes a similar feel to 17 days - I tried them back to back earlier and I really sensed it - sorry if I offend! smile


agreed, this song vibes with the 1999/purple rain era.
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Reply #97 posted 07/17/07 1:59pm

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clarityman said:

OK after some days of listening to this and loving it I think the mood (not the sound necessarily) evokes a similar feel to 17 days - I tried them back to back earlier and I really sensed it - sorry if I offend! smile



disbelief Blasphemy! wink 17 Days is my favorite Prince song of all time and should not be uttered in the same sentence as this Lion song. no no no!


(I'm not really mad, but I definitely DO NOT see that connection at all. cool )
"Your presence and dry wit are appealing in a mysterious way."
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Reply #98 posted 07/17/07 2:10pm

FunkyBrotha

i can understand where the 17 days linnk comes from, but its not really accurate... lion of judah is more purple rain/anna stesia/joy in repetition style.

It is nothing like cinnamon girl which is far more uptempo, popish.

This is dark, rocky, and passionate.
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Reply #99 posted 07/17/07 3:06pm

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I really hope the HQ version will please me more..
I was glad The One I wanna C isn't a light rock Prince song,
but I guess Judah will ber skipped just like I skip
Cinnamon girl,Marrying kind.....

And I don't care if someone is religious or not or not...as long as the song is great.


Besides...there is nothing up there except the clouds and the stars wink
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Reply #100 posted 07/17/07 3:22pm

clarityman

FunkyBrotha said:

i can understand where the 17 days linnk comes from, but its not really accurate... lion of judah is more purple rain/anna stesia/joy in repetition style.

It is nothing like cinnamon girl which is far more uptempo, popish.

This is dark, rocky, and passionate.


OK just to clarify, I know the sound/style may be different but the intonation and sentiment certainly has a link - 17 days is one of my all timers hey I even remember the day I first flipped to the B side in August '84 so I dont take this lightly
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Reply #101 posted 07/17/07 3:28pm

babynoz

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babynoz said:






I think what people object to is the fact that you're doing a lot of assuming here. For example, there's no verifiable way that you can conclude that many or most people on this board are unaware of the connotations of "Lion Of Judah". It sounds condesending.

Maybe, just MAYBE the religious overtones don't bother other people so much???


You've just hit a home run!

I don't care what is inspiring me, I want to hear about what is inspiring him. In doing so, I can sometimes be inspired indirectly.

And fortunately our two worlds are often different so I can gauge how other people see the world.

And we can all unfortunately relate with the struggle of depression, which is the main theme of the song. We just choose different ways to pull ourselves out of the funk. No biggie.

I need an editor, edit.
[Edited 7/17/07 12:51pm]





thumbs up!
Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
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Reply #102 posted 07/17/07 3:38pm

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I'm kinda glad to see this song dividing the fanbase. It's testimony to the song's power. nod

Like "Somewhere Here on Earth", this song reflects a side of Prince we rarely see- one that is not self-congratulatory or boastful, but rather one that is vulnerable and in need of reassurance. The lyrics are wonderful. It's as if he is trying to invoke something as monumental as the Lion of Judah because he feels so small himself.
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Reply #103 posted 07/17/07 3:48pm

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Moonbeam said:

I'm kinda glad to see this song dividing the fanbase. It's testimony to the song's power. nod

Like "Somewhere Here on Earth", this song reflects a side of Prince we rarely see- one that is not self-congratulatory or boastful, but rather one that is vulnerable and in need of reassurance. The lyrics are wonderful. It's as if he is trying to invoke something as monumental as the Lion of Judah because he feels so small himself.
[Edited 7/17/07 15:39pm]


Yes! While some of his lyrics really don't appeal to me anymore, there's some good stuff on this album.
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Reply #104 posted 07/17/07 4:05pm

babynoz

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I don't think it is about god. The religious image is used because he looks to religion for answers, but the song is about his own struggles (though the source of his struggles in this song could be interpreted as a person, himself, writing music, his fans, critics, you name it). I think he hopes that he can be like the lion of judah and have the power to overcome, he is not saying that "christ is the answer to all my problems, lets all believe in him.. yay!". we know that he can get preachy these days so it is easy to think that every time he references god it is some princely christian rock and roll song.

But until he found what he believed in and started talking about it, we didn't used to judge his songs so superficially like we do now. How many times did he reference god over the years? When he made those references (especially something like Let's Pretend We're Married), it encouraged us to look deeper into a song for meaning. Now the second he says anything related to a religion in a song, I'm seeing more and more people immediately skipping the track and saying "I don't want to be preached to". If you take a good listen you will see that he isn't preaching more often than not.
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It's kind of amusing that Prince can use a simple metaphor and get such a negative reaction.
Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
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Reply #105 posted 07/17/07 4:10pm

babynoz

Moonbeam said:

I'm kinda glad to see this song dividing the fanbase. It's testimony to the song's power. nod

Like "Somewhere Here on Earth", this song reflects a side of Prince we rarely see- one that is not self-congratulatory or boastful, but rather one that is vulnerable and in need of reassurance. The lyrics are wonderful. It's as if he is trying to invoke something as monumental as the Lion of Judah because he feels so small himself.
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The honesty and vulnerability expressed in this song is refreshing and I appreciate it.
Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
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Reply #106 posted 07/17/07 4:28pm

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Also, to look at the song itself (this is essentially a repost from my review of the whole album in the main thread):

This song is extremely well crafted but hard to listen to. Prince faces his demons. The purple rain guitar makes sense, the lack of focus on a lot of the main vocal makes sense... I think the song is extra-deliberately crafted to sound and feel the way it does. This song makes the listener feel frustration and sadness. Again, just like a lot of mid 80's Revolution work, the song conveys the emotion with the musical constructs every bit as much as the lyrics. It is adventurous and weird, purposefully less listenable than it could be, and it should be appreciated as an achievement in songwriting.

P.S. yes Moonbeam is absolutely right about the reasons Prince is invoking something as monumental as the lion of judah. You hit the nail on the head.
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Reply #107 posted 07/17/07 4:43pm

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Very personal. I'll prolly be writing the lyrics on a notepad at work when folx start their bs. Btw, it would mix well w/ A Million Days.
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Reply #108 posted 07/17/07 5:01pm

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Just an ok song
"Bring friends, bring your children and bring foot spray 'cause it's gon' be funky." ~ Prince

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Darkness isn't the absence of light, it's the absence of U ~ Prince
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Reply #109 posted 07/17/07 5:21pm

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who did he "supposedly" write adore for?
"not a fan" falloff yeah...ok
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Reply #110 posted 07/17/07 7:06pm

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cool This sounds like "Cinnamon Girl" part 2. It's not bad. cool
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Reply #111 posted 07/17/07 7:21pm

goat2004

I like the music, not a great track, but pretty decent. The lyrics are pretty cool, not quite as good as the underrated, Cinnamon Girl, but it's sounds like something that could have been on the "Around The World in a Day" LP. Does anyone else agree?

Score: 7 (out of 10)
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Reply #112 posted 07/17/07 8:21pm

matthewgrant

NouveauDance said:

matthewgrant said:

Who was Judah???


Well, there are several characters in the Bible called Judah (with varying pronunciations, but the Lion Of Judah was traditionally a symbol for the Tribe of Judah.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...n_of_Judah


Thanks reading
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Reply #113 posted 07/17/07 8:41pm

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Ok so once again...now in crystal clear quality its pretty good. The ending is f-ing amazing! Love the strenghth in this ending
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Reply #114 posted 07/17/07 11:48pm

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A grower
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Reply #115 posted 07/18/07 2:02am

purplesweat

Ok, I can put the machine gun away for this one.

I like the Purple Rain guitar and the words are ok but there's stuff I like way more on here.

So just a johnwoo instead of a machinegun
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Reply #116 posted 07/18/07 6:01am

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Shorty said:

who did he "supposedly" write adore for?

anybody?
"not a fan" falloff yeah...ok
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Reply #117 posted 07/18/07 6:33am

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Shorty said:

Shorty said:

who did he "supposedly" write adore for?

anybody?


hmmm I've always thought that the song was about Susannah Melvoin, but I could be wrong. It's a beautiful song.
RIP, mom. I will forever miss and love you.
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Reply #118 posted 07/18/07 9:07am

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Accujack said:

Giovanni777 said:

Love this cut.

He even breaks out the octaver on the lead guitar.

Well arranged, well recorded, like nearly everything on this album, which was recorded, mixed, and mastered perfectly. So much detail.


There are only a few people on here whose opinions really matter to me, and Giovanni, you are one of those people.

You seem to have a real knowledge of Prince music and music in general. thumbs up!

Wow! Accujack that was such a wonderful compliment u gave Giovanni. I feel the same as u about Giovanni and a few others on this site. Prince is taking us on a musical journey with PE and I'm loving everybit of it. lol
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Reply #119 posted 07/18/07 9:14am

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Giovanni777 said:

Love this cut.

He even breaks out the octaver on the lead guitar.

Well arranged, well recorded, like nearly everything on this album, which was recorded, mixed, and mastered perfectly. So much detail.
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