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What if he released the Black Album originally? Was listening to the Black album earlier which once every few months just reminds me why I was proud to be into his music when many friends weren't. Anyway I was thinking if he had released it back in 1988 what would have happened?
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clarityman said: Was listening to the Black album earlier which once every few months just reminds me why I was proud to be into his music when many friends weren't. Anyway I was thinking if he had released it back in 1988 what would have happened?
No Batman? Lovesexy released later, no Lovesexy tour , no name change? still at Warners? what do people think? It's obvious that the 'Black Album' spawned 'Lovesexy', but beyond that, who can say? | |
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goosebumps said: clarityman said: Was listening to the Black album earlier which once every few months just reminds me why I was proud to be into his music when many friends weren't. Anyway I was thinking if he had released it back in 1988 what would have happened?
No Batman? Lovesexy released later, no Lovesexy tour , no name change? still at Warners? what do people think? It's obvious that the 'Black Album' spawned 'Lovesexy', but beyond that, who can say? it is obvious yes, but would it have been released at all? cos we know that the two were pretty much recorded around the same time - just want to hear what fans that were around then think might have happened http://confidentchanges.wordpress.com/
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clarityman said:[quote]Was listening to the Black album earlier which once every few months just reminds me why I was proud to be into his music when many friends weren't. Anyway I was thinking if he had released it back in 1988 what would have happened? /quote]
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clarityman said: goosebumps said: It's obvious that the 'Black Album' spawned 'Lovesexy', but beyond that, who can say? it is obvious yes, but would it have been released at all? cos we know that the two were pretty much recorded around the same time - just want to hear what fans that were around then think might have happened I think Tim Burton would have asked Prince to do the 'Batman' soundtrack in 89 and 'Graffiti Bridge' would have still been done. But I can remember at the time 'The Black Album' was to be released with no name, done by no artist, with the logo WX147 (In peach) down the spine..... | |
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17dayz said:[quote] clarityman said: Was listening to the Black album earlier which once every few months just reminds me why I was proud to be into his music when many friends weren't. Anyway I was thinking if he had released it back in 1988 what would have happened? /quote]
I think the fans would have been divided. The pop fans vs the musos. The Black Album came at a transitional time. It was definitely left field from any of the Revolution stuff and darker than Sign O' the Times. A precursor to the NPG. It was pure art, musicality and expressionism. Dead On It, 2 Nigs United for West Compton, Bob George. Warners would never accept it anyway. Too indulgent. All they wanted was Purple Rain II. But it's still my favorite Prince album. I said something like this to a friend earlier, it was art, and probably the rawest I can remember Prince ever being - it was brilliant - It only went to frustrate me further in the 90s when he sounded too over produced and a little contrived. http://confidentchanges.wordpress.com/
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clarityman said: 17dayz said: I think the fans would have been divided. The pop fans vs the musos. The Black Album came at a transitional time. It was definitely left field from any of the Revolution stuff and darker than Sign O' the Times. A precursor to the NPG. It was pure art, musicality and expressionism. Dead On It, 2 Nigs United for West Compton, Bob George. Warners would never accept it anyway. Too indulgent. All they wanted was Purple Rain II. But it's still my favorite Prince album. I said something like this to a friend earlier, it was art, and probably the rawest I can remember Prince ever being - it was brilliant - It only went to frustrate me further in the 90s when he sounded too over produced and a little contrived. Prince declined lts release for his own reasons, Warners were prepared to release it. | |
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goosebumps said: clarityman said: I said something like this to a friend earlier, it was art, and probably the rawest I can remember Prince ever being - it was brilliant - It only went to frustrate me further in the 90s when he sounded too over produced and a little contrived. Prince declined lts release for his own reasons, Warners were prepared to release it. Weren't Acetates or very few records actually pressed b4 Prince pulled the plug? | |
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People usually say this would have been a big hit if released at the time. No one really knows, but I think it could just as easily have bombed. For a start off, it was anti-general public not only with its mostly dark aggressive funk but also with its anti-promotional black packaging, it was like Prince challenging his audience to like it. There were no obvious singles either.
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This old chestnut again.... I'm sure there was a similar thread just a week or two back.
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All I can tell you is that many guys in college (including frat guy types) asked me for copies of the Black Album and loved it (in 1988). "Bob George" was a sure clincher. Remember this was when Public Enemy and NWA were about to go mainstream in their appeal. They couldn't care less about Lovesexy, and they thought Batman sounded "gay".
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ufoclub said: All I can tell you is that many guys in college (including frat guy types) asked me for copies of the Black Album and loved it (in 1988). "Bob George" was a sure clincher. Remember this was when Public Enemy and NWA were about to go mainstream in their appeal. They couldn't care less about Lovesexy, and they thought Batman sounded "gay".
Based on that, I'd say Prince would have had a bit different legacy right now. One of much more respect due to "macho" creative muscle. Yeah, but I'm sure people were asking for copies because it was a famous bootleg rather than for the quality of the music. The fact it was 'illegal' generated a buzz and interest it would not have had if released officially. Or to put it another way, if Lovesexy or Batman had been unreleased bootlegs, they'd have been given 'legendary' status too and been heavily sought after, pretty much like most unreleased Prince tracks that, in the light of day, ain't all that more special than his released stuff. | |
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metalorange said: ufoclub said: All I can tell you is that many guys in college (including frat guy types) asked me for copies of the Black Album and loved it (in 1988). "Bob George" was a sure clincher. Remember this was when Public Enemy and NWA were about to go mainstream in their appeal. They couldn't care less about Lovesexy, and they thought Batman sounded "gay".
Based on that, I'd say Prince would have had a bit different legacy right now. One of much more respect due to "macho" creative muscle. Yeah, but I'm sure people were asking for copies because it was a famous bootleg rather than for the quality of the music. The fact it was 'illegal' generated a buzz and interest it would not have had if released officially. Or to put it another way, if Lovesexy or Batman had been unreleased bootlegs, they'd have been given 'legendary' status too and been heavily sought after, pretty much like most unreleased Prince tracks that, in the light of day, ain't all that more special than his released stuff. The guys had no clue as to what was going on with the album, they didn't knowif it was official or not. They liked the vibe and theme and harshness and cussing. I remember when Batman came out, one of them asked if it was worth buying... if it was like the Black Album... I had to say no. __________________________
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ufoclub said: metalorange said: Yeah, but I'm sure people were asking for copies because it was a famous bootleg rather than for the quality of the music. The fact it was 'illegal' generated a buzz and interest it would not have had if released officially. Or to put it another way, if Lovesexy or Batman had been unreleased bootlegs, they'd have been given 'legendary' status too and been heavily sought after, pretty much like most unreleased Prince tracks that, in the light of day, ain't all that more special than his released stuff. The guys had no clue as to what was going on with the album, they didn't knowif it was official or not. They liked the vibe and theme and harshness and cussing. I remember when Batman came out, one of them asked if it was worth buying... if it was like the Black Album... I had to say no. I can also tell you that no.. if Lovesexy or Batman had been bootlegs, I would not have enjoyed them as much as The Black ALbum. There is not a song on either as cohesive and creative as Le Grind or Bob George. The Black Album sequence of tracks is truly (whether accidental or not) a slab of strong flavor that has more of an identity and mysterious dark attraction then any other Prince Album in my opinion. __________________________
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17dayz said: ... Warners would never accept it anyway....
It was all set for release, thousands of copies were pressed and a few copies had already been shipped when PRINCE himself pulled the plug a week before it was to be officially released. So Warner had already accepted it. "Always blessings, never losses......"
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ufoclub said: metalorange said: Yeah, but I'm sure people were asking for copies because it was a famous bootleg rather than for the quality of the music. The fact it was 'illegal' generated a buzz and interest it would not have had if released officially. Or to put it another way, if Lovesexy or Batman had been unreleased bootlegs, they'd have been given 'legendary' status too and been heavily sought after, pretty much like most unreleased Prince tracks that, in the light of day, ain't all that more special than his released stuff. The guys had no clue as to what was going on with the album, they didn't knowif it was official or not. They liked the vibe and theme and harshness and cussing. I remember when Batman came out, one of them asked if it was worth buying... if it was like the Black Album... I had to say no. I agree, I played some of the tracks to people who had no clue if it were a bootleg or whatever, the reaction was universally one of excitement and double takes. I feel that fans of the Black Album tend to be those that were old enough to remeber his earliest stuff and who followed his development as an artist. Someone compared This album to Chaos and Disorder .... I can't even think why they would do that! http://confidentchanges.wordpress.com/
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clarityman said: Was listening to the Black album earlier which once every few months just reminds me why I was proud to be into his music when many friends weren't. Anyway I was thinking if he had released it back in 1988 what would have happened?
No Batman? Lovesexy released later, no Lovesexy tour , no name change? still at Warners? what do people think? Alls I know is - when I started reading your thread - my cat comes into the bedroom wanting a fuss - sniffing all over the computer.....weird  
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clarityman said: ufoclub said: The guys had no clue as to what was going on with the album, they didn't knowif it was official or not. They liked the vibe and theme and harshness and cussing. I remember when Batman came out, one of them asked if it was worth buying... if it was like the Black Album... I had to say no. I agree, I played some of the tracks to people who had no clue if it were a bootleg or whatever, the reaction was universally one of excitement and double takes. I feel that fans of the Black Album tend to be those that were old enough to remeber his earliest stuff and who followed his development as an artist. Someone compared This album to Chaos and Disorder .... I can't even think why they would do that! The people I remember only knew of Purple Rain from 1985, and of course 1999 from '83 __________________________
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About Batman, Tim Burton originally cast 1999 and Baby,I'm a Star in the movie - these were obviously recorded well before TBA and LoveSexy, which after he asked Prince to record the soundtrack were replaced by Trust and Partyman. So my view is that Prince would have still been approached to do the Batman soundtrack.
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the question should be what if camille was released? minor keys and drugs don't make a rollerskate jam | |
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It would have been like the Camille Album in the sense of an Easter egg hunt. Prince didn't want people to know it was him. He wanted the album to fly on its own merits which would have been cool. And another thing, the Black Album was slated for a Dec. 7th, 1987 release date which would have been two albums in the same year as SOTT was released in March of 1987. My Warners was throwing him a bone since they didn't let the original Crystal Ball fly. It would have been cool to see what style Prince would have had because it wouldn't have been as colorful as the Lovesexy era with the clothes etc. __________________________________________________
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revolution75 said:[quote]the question should be what if camille was released? http://confidentchanges.wordpress.com/
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clarityman said:[quote] revolution75 said: the question should be what if camille was released?
Yes indeed it is a good question and one worthy of it's own thread  u got it...check the forums minor keys and drugs don't make a rollerskate jam | |
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